Lee Hwa Young's "I'm very scared" transcript was wavelength...the power of the people, the policy of accusation

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■ Starring: Choi Chang-ryul, Special Professor at Yongin University, Kim Jin, former Editorial Writer at JoongAng Ilbo

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[Anchor]
Let's start with a political commentary with a lively angle. Today, Kim Jin, a former editor of the JoongAng Ilbo, and Choi Chang-ryul, a special professor at Yongin University, are here. Welcome. First, let's check the contents of the first keyword. I'm very afraid. What are you afraid of? Prosecutor Park Sang-yong's impeachment hearing was held, and former Lieutenant Governor Lee Hwa-young, not prosecutor Park Sang-yong, was at the center of the controversy. Professor Choi Chang-ryul, I think the ruling and opposition parties are fighting quite a bit over the fact that the defendant, former lieutenant governor Lee Hwa-young, who is being tried on suspicion of remittance to North Korea, came to the hearing.

[Choi Chang Ryul]
Lee Hwa-young is the defendant. Lee Hwa-young is a former deputy governor of peace in Gyeonggi-do, and this person came out as a witness, but it was originally a hearing for the impeachment of prosecutor Park Sang-yong. Aren't we going to find out a lot about whether impeachment is valid? You'll need a lot of characters. I think I called several people because they had to come and testify and make statements. I sang it.Anyway, Ma is a defendant who has been sentenced to nine and a half years in prison and is in prison. However, prosecutor Park Sang-yong, who is the target of the impeachment, is not present because he said he would prosecute the impeachment. The target of the hearing is prosecutor Park Sang-yong. But the person who is investigating the so-called double bubble remittance case related to this is prosecutor Park Sang-yong. I think that's why former Lieutenant Governor Lee Hwa-young came out. Anyway, it's basically a very unusual scene and an unfamiliar scene. Of course, to find out whether prosecutor Park Sang-yong really manipulated the investigation against representative Lee Jae-myung, prosecutor Park really has a problem at the hearing. Then you're going to prosecute the impeachment, so I don't know if former lieutenant governor Lee Hwa-young was needed, but basically, objectively, this is what if former lieutenant governor Lee Hwa-young was sentenced to nine years in prison. There are 2nd and 3rd trials left. I'm not saying that this had a significant impact on the prosecution of CEO Lee Jae-myung, in relation to this case. Then, it seems to protect former Vice Governor Lee Hwa-young, but it seems to protect him, but I think it can spark enough controversy over whether it is actually for Lee Jae-myung. [Anchor] In the power of the people, the Democratic Party of Korea is launching an offensive like this, whether it has claimed to be a lawyer for criminals, and the contents of the Democratic Party are so shocking to hear about the fabrication of statements. It's an argument that you have to listen to this with your own mouth. How did you see it?

[Kim Jin]
The Democratic Party of Korea and former Governor Lee Hwa-young had a similar trial in the National Assembly because their interests are virtually identical. Democrats completely became defendants of defendant Lee Hwa-young and questioned the lawyers against it at the National Assembly. But we'll talk about it in detail today.Ma tried to remove the lump completely, but he attached it. If the transcript scandal breaks out, it will be revealed that former Vice Governor Lee Hwa-young and Chairman Kim Sung-tae were all pressured and conciliated by the prosecution's so-called salmon drinking party, and former Governor Lee Jae-myung has nothing to do with it. I thought all these claims would come out and that would be the main thing, but the situation was completely reversed, and the issue of political funding or payment of attorney fees to Representative Lee Jae-myung, who was hush-hush, was completely exploded in the transcript. So, in a nutshell, it became a hearing where I tried to remove the lump. This is how you judge it.

[Anchor]
The transcript was released by Joo Jin-woo himself at the hearing. First, let's hear what it's about. [Anchor] It's exactly what you heard. So, it is said that the contents of the former lieutenant governor Lee Hwa-young's interview with the lawyer at the detention center were recorded, and the lawyer of the former lieutenant governor Lee Hwa-young submitted this to the court. How did you hear the transcript?

[Choi Chang Ryul]
If you look at the transcript now, they're saying they're very scared, and they lobbied the court. I don't know if you're talking about that, but there was a saying that you lobbied Supreme Court Justice Kwon Soon-il when you violated the Public Official Election Act. That was the story that kept coming out. It's gone now.Ma. It reminds me of that. And another thing, paying for a lawyer. This lawyer's payment was once an issue. However, according to the opposition party, the opposition party argued that the lawyer's payment was not a problem with the remittance to North Korea, so the opposition party insisted that it was turned to the lawyer's payment. There are allegations of loan payments, rumors that they lobbied, and rumors that they donated money, and former lieutenant governor Lee is even saying that he is afraid of the defendant. But since this was a conversation with his lawyer, I don't think he said it with any special consideration here. Anyway, it was released, but I don't understand that it was released. I don't understand how it was recorded, but it's something that came out in the world. In view of these things, I think the Democratic Party of Korea has the intention of protecting former Vice Governor Lee Hwa-young and protecting him and blocking the charges of going to Chairman Lee Jae-myung. Of course, it is said that it is a hearing to impeach prosecutor Park's various investigations that are wrong. Actually, in the case of lawmaker Jeon Hyun-hee, I was very impressed with that story, but witness Lee Hwa-young, it's hard, right? And I hope you cheer up. It sounds very awkward. That's how much I'm defending the defendant Lee Hwa-young. However, rather than defending former Vice Governor Lee Hwa-young, I think he is trying to prevent prosecution and investigation trials against representative Lee Jae-myung.

In particular, this recording shows that there must have been something in the eyes of the viewers, even if it is not directly linked to Lee Jae-myung's allegations. I think that's why lawmaker Joo Jin-woo turned on the recording. Because I'm a member of the People's Power. However, I think it's another matter of whether the hearing will achieve so-called desired results as the Democratic Party thinks.

[Anchor]
What attracts attention here is that former lieutenant governor Lee Hwa-young tells his lawyer that he is afraid. I think it's Kim Sung-tae's mouth because I saw what he was afraid of in the context. What were you afraid of?

[Kim Jin]
The transcript was told by Lee Hwa-young, the former lieutenant governor, to come to the detention center because he thought he was in a big trouble urgently. The day before, Chairman Kim Sung-tae first thought of calling the fact that Governor Lee Jae-myung was involved in the remittance case to North Korea. So, former lieutenant governor Lee Hwa-young called a lawyer in a very urgent situation, so he made such a statement under conciliation and pressure, and called it for the purpose of saying that the prosecution is doing something wrong, but all kinds of things came out of anxiety. Chairman Kim Sung-tae is likely to reveal such suspicions of paying for lawyers and providing political funds. I told the lawyer one after another about this and asked the lawyer to come up with countermeasures quickly, and asked him to use this transcript, but the problem is that lawmaker Joo Jin-woo revealed it all on Oh My News, an Internet media outlet, 12 days before he revealed it at the hearing.

[Anchor]
Was it reported?

[Kim Jin]
It was reported. It's not the first time lawmaker Joo Jin-woo revealed it. So, I don't know if Oh My News obtained it through a lawyer, but Oh My News is full of favorable contents for Governor Lee Jae-myung and Oh My News' report is only favorable to Governor Lee Jae-myung. On the contrary, what lawmaker Joo Jin-woo revealed is filled with content that is unfavorable to Governor Lee Jae-myung, so instead of doing so at the hearing, defendant Lee Hwa-young should disclose all the 30-minute bills. Let's reveal it. What that means is that there are some things that are unfavorable to Governor Lee Jae-myung, but I also talked a lot about things that are unfavorable to the prosecution, such as conciliation, pressure, various drinking parties, and so on. That's what I'm saying. However, as a result, it is not a new story, but if Chairman Kim Sung-tae makes a new complaint against Governor Lee Jae-myung, such as illegal funds and payment of lawyers' expenses, the prosecution may indict him additionally. So, once again, it's a transcript of a lump that was put on while trying to take it off.

[Anchor]
Anyway, when the transcript was released, former Deputy Governor Lee Hwa-young said this. I complained about whether it was okay to play something too salty. Let's listen to that.

[Anchor]
Where did you get that? And it seems like a protest about whether it makes sense to play all the songs that are unfavorable to me. If you infer from this, the transcript also contains something that can be very advantageous to former Lieutenant Governor Lee Hwa-young, right? How do I look at it?

[Choi Chang Ryul]
That's how we should look at it. Seeing that you're talking right now. So, looking at it as squeezing, it means that it's not manipulated.
Anyway, his voice is right and he is right, but why are you revealing the recording like this only when it's against you?
[Anchor]
You have to look at the whole context?

[Choi Chang Ryul]
If you look at the whole thing, you're arguing that's not the case. That's why the People's Power lawmaker won't disclose all of that. Of course, only those against CEO Lee Jae-myung or former lieutenant governor Lee Hwa-young will be turned on. That's because it's our common sense. Oh My News said I turned on all of them. Anyway, that's Joo Jin-woo's freedom. Anyway, based on what's out here, former Deputy Governor Lee Hwa-young's statement has been exchanged a lot. There was a lot of back and forth, and the controversy over conciliation of drinking has changed quite a lot. Later on, there was talk about black bean noodles. However, many of former lieutenant governor Lee Hwa-young's remarks were made public, and one of them was that I thought I would be responsible for it, so I reported to Lee Jae-myung, the then governor of Gyeonggi-do, and I reported on the remittance to North Korea, but later I saw that Lee Jae-myung was the then governor. He also said that he was reversing his statement because he thought he would be arrested. So, isn't that why the court's judgment is because the former lieutenant governor Lee Hwa-young's words are so inconsistent? It was not just the remarks and testimony of the defendant Lee Hwa-young. The so-called nine-and-a-half-year prison sentence is the so-called nine-and-a-half-year prison sentence, which is the first trial sentence. Overall, the hearing is not at all favorable to former Lt. Gov. Lee Hwa-young. The transcript itself.

[Anchor]
If you just hear this, you can misunderstand. I think former Deputy Governor Lee Hwa-young's argument is that this is only a partial excerpt. As you mentioned, isn't there a suspicion of paying for lawyers, lobbying the court, and illegal political funds? Since the content is not simple, if the ruling and opposition parties continue to fight now, I think one of them might say, "Let's turn it on."

[Kim Jin]
That's right. And I think the full text will be revealed. Either way. Whether it's Joo Jin-woo's side or Oh My News, it's simple to disclose the full text in another media. About half of it is very unfavorable to Governor Lee Jae-myung, and about half of it is about defendant Lee Hwa-young attacking the prosecution intensively. a salmon drinking party Four or five people were gathered and the prosecution held a seminar on making statements. For example, if you want to eat salmon at the seminar, you can eat salmon, galbitang, galbitang, jajangmyeon, jajangmyeon. In this way, the prosecution tried to conciliate and pressure him.

[Anchor]
A customized menu came out, so this is the argument?

[Kim Jin]
That's right. But again, the salmon drinking party has been mentioned for a long time. However, I'll tell you again about the payment of lawyers' expenses and sponsorship of political funds, but defendant Lee Hwa-young called the lawyer in a very anxious state at the time. But what's interesting is that the lawyer says this later. He has defended several cases, and it is difficult to overturn the situation with such things. So defendant Lee Hwa-young is quite disappointed. You can't do it with this, and you have to make up your mind, and the lawyer tells you this kind of story. So I don't know what branch of the leak came from, but in my judgment, I think it will continue to be unfavorable to CEO Lee Jae-myung. [Anchor] Anyway, the wavelength of the transcript is rising, but there is nothing conclusive in this, but it contains circumstances. In any case, former Vice Governor Lee Hwa-young should listen to the whole thing now.

Let me say again that this is a partial excerpt and can be distorted.
Let's move on to the next keyword. Please show us the next keyword. The president's office has made an official statement. It is the first time that the presidential office has made a position regarding the wavelength of the transcript of the
Kim Dae-nam, but President Yoon Suk Yeol and former administrator Kim Dae-nam do not have much friendship. I think I'm starting to draw a line completely. How did you like it?

[Choi Chang Ryul]
First of all, I don't really understand the position of the presidential office. He was an administrator who worked in the presidential office, and now he went to Seoul Guarantee Insurance as an auditor with his experience of working in the presidential office anyway. However, the presidential office is responsible for this issue when it is raised. I'll look into it, this is the right way to do it. But they say there's no problem, it's an individual deviation, but there's also a picture of President Yoon and Kim Dae-nam thanking Hyun-jae. CEO Lee Jae-myung also said that he didn't know when he took a picture, but this is the case of Deputy Director Kim Moon-ki. Since they say they're not close to each other. In addition, former administrator Kim Dae-nam's interview with the media mentioned that. I've met him when I was president-elect, and there's an interview article like this. But anyway, if you say you're not close to each other, how can you say that you're not close to each other? Of course, going to the president's office doesn't mean you're close to the president. I'm sure he went with some kind of introduction. Didn't you try to run for Yongin with your career as a senior administrator? Then, he went with the audit of a public institution, but I don't think he should do that just by saying he has no friendship with the president. There are a lot of situations, that's a situation.There are a lot of scenes that are very awkward to say that Ma is not close to the president at all. I think it's right to say that the president's current response will investigate. I don't think it's that appropriate.

[Anchor]
Anyway, even though he said he didn't work for a long time, but since he was an administrator and such suspicions arose, I think the president's office should feel responsible for just dismissing him as not knowing.

[Kim Jin]
The photo was taken together with people running for the general election, secretaries and administrators taking one-on-one photos for the general election.

[Anchor]
It was explained that it was taken at a year-end party or something like this.

[Kim Jin]
Right. And that can't be such evidence. Was there any relationship with the president to use the expression "friendship" with senior administrators and administrators, not secretaries? The presidential office's explanation that there was no such explanation is not completely wrong. And if you look at the transcript of Kim Dae-nam's phone call with Seoul's Sound reporter Lee Myung-soo, you are very wary because it is Seoul's sound when reporter Lee Myung-soo approached you on the phone at first. When I was on guard, I talked about my hometown, and Kim Dae-nam, the former secretary, is from Gangneung, Gangwon-do, and Lee Myung-soo is from Samcheok, so we get close quickly from then on because we are in Yeongdong, Gangwon-do. So it turns into a completely personal relationship. Based on that personal relationship, the owner of the attack, Han Dong-hoon, who asked for publicity about himself and was in trouble, proceeded. So, if the president's office tells you that you know someone if you don't have a close relationship, the problem becomes very large. The president or First Lady Kim Gun-hee will be behind it. So it's clear in the presidential office to draw a line that it's not something that's not true. And it was long after he stepped down from the presidential office that the issue broke out. And I think the president's office should thoroughly investigate the case of a ridiculous person who went to an important position called the full-time auditor of Seoul Guarantee Insurance.

[Anchor]
Who did you recommend?

[Kim Jin]
Who did the backside? Lee Won-mo, the former secretary, competed for the nomination in Yongin-gap. Kim Dae-nam applied for some kind of place first and was running as a preliminary candidate, but Lee Won-mo flew in from Gangnam-eul overnight. However, Lee Won-mo failed the nomination and became the presidential secretary for public office discipline. However, since he is a former personnel secretary, he is a person who can exert considerable influence on personnel affairs and getting people employed in public enterprises. Furthermore, he is a secretary of public service discipline. I think the presidential office should thoroughly investigate that part, but it is not wrong to claim that Kim Dae-nam did it on a personal level with reporter Lee Myung-soo.

[Choi Chang Ryul]
I talked about the interview earlier. It's 2022 and two years ago. On April 13, there was an interview with a place called International News. If you look there, it's Kim Dae-nam's story. It's from Kim Dae-nam. March 29, 2022. This is when he was president-elect. We talked about having a precious two-hour solo meeting with the president-elect. I wonder if Kim Dae-nam lied. Two hours is not a short time because you are the president-elect. By the way, could I have lied about 2 hours at the time? But if you look at it with this, the president's office can talk to the president without checking with him.
I think there's a good chance I met with the president.

[Anchor]
In any case, representative Han Dong-hoon insisted that the fact-finding investigation should be conducted more thoroughly because the presidential office said it was irrelevant. Let's listen to it. Former administrator Kim Dae-nam is right to do something wrong. However, Han Dong-hoon, representative of the People's Power, argues that officially continuing to raise this issue like this is an act in question.

[Kim Jin]
I think it's a little problem for CEO Han Dong-hoon to step up and hit it like that.

[Anchor]
What part of it?

[Kim Jin]
First of all, it doesn't fit the weight of the party leader. If the president's office in Yoon Suk Yeol says it's a personal deviation that has nothing to do with the president and his wife, other top members of the party and the leadership have talked about it, or the chairman of the party's audit committee have talked about it, so the investigation is underway.Do your research thoroughly. It's fitting and true to say such things, but just say it in a word because the party leader instigated an attack on him, and get angry and investigate it thoroughly. If there is no relationship, wouldn't it be possible to investigate further? I don't know if it's behind it. If there is one, it is seen as if they are driving the presidential office.

[Anchor]
He says he's not.

[Kim Jin]
He says he's not. So at times like that, you have to step back and talk about strong investigations by others, and if it really turns out to have nothing to do with the president's office, this case will also be recorded as another chapter of the Yoon Han conflict.

[Anchor]
Isn't there a reason why CEO Han Dong-hoon is so angry in public?

[Choi Chang Ryul]
But this issue is not the only one. Various things that are happening within the passport. Kim Dae Nam is in the recording now.You say things like, "Ma. Kim Gun-hee will like it."
So even I see it now, it's really not childish. There's something that feels a little bit like a demand for CEO Han Dong-hoon. In addition, according to the president's office, there are many criticisms against President Yoon and his wife. I think I was rambling, but I was rambling for 5 hours. Anyway, I think CEO Han Dong-hoon can do this. The situation itself. Why don't you feel like everything's holding you back? Even to me, it seems like the presidential office is almost trying to isolate Han, but why can't you feel it yourself? Since his name appears in this situation, the national convention is very sensitive, and the representative can talk about this. Of course, it may not fit the weight. I agree on that part, but this is such a strange thing. If so, the representative can order a fact-finding investigation. I don't think that's the essence.

[Anchor]
In any case, former administrator Kim Dae-nam said, "Is it right that CEO Han Dong-hoon is keeping the position?" in relation to this loose security mindset and inappropriate behavior as a former administrator. How do you see that part?

[Kim Jin]
I'm sure many people felt angry when they heard the transcript. A public official who served as a secretary to the presidential office has a total annual salary of 300 million won. Drivers, secretaries, luxury GAT vehicles, de facto subsidiaries of these Deposit Insurance Corporations. a public institution That annual salary of 300 million is actually a national tax, because it's a public institution. If you listen to the transcript, you just talk about it as a convenient place where you're trying to take care of your money completely. In fact, it is the No. 2 in Seoul Guarantee Insurance. However, there is nothing more difficult than the representative. In short, it means that it's a place where God gave up. And since he has no experience in finance and worked in the construction industry, he told reporter Lee Myung-soo, "I have now been rejected in the general election, so to put it simply next time, I'm lobbying for an important position in public institutions. Make it clear that you're lobbying. Whether it's former secretary Lee Won-mo or another person in the president's office, we don't know, but that's not acceptable for our society to have a very basic public official and a person who completely thinks of public institutions and 300 million won in taxpayers' money as a full-time auditor of Seoul Guarantee Insurance.

[Anchor]
You have to step down on your own?

[Kim Jin]
We have to step down and the union has to get up quickly. What's the real union doing? I want to urge the union. The union talked about it and put someone like that in the second place. We have to kick him out of the union. And as I said earlier, who sent such a person to such a place? The presidential office should thoroughly investigate who was behind the scenes. If a responsible person is in an important position in the presidential office, he should also be cut off. It is customary for both the ruling and opposition parties to go to public institutions after being in a camp or the president's office in politics, but there is a minimum line to follow. Something that connects your expertise a little bit. You have a personality or something. I completely see that as an event that a lot of people will be angry about.

[Anchor]
In any case, a fact-finding investigation will take place in a situation where this has emerged greatly, so we will wait for this part to see who recommended it and what kind of judgment you will make about the position. In any case, one of the many embers of Yoon Han conflict is the issue of Kim Gun-hee, and the Special Prosecutor's Act on Kim Gun-hee will be voted again today. CEO Han Dong-hoon publicly said, "It's right to be rejected."

[Choi Chang Ryul]
It's going to be voted down. I don't think there will be many leave votes and I think 99.9% will be rejected, but from the perspective of the passport, the future is the problem. How long will we continue this kind of procedure? In addition, the two factions now have different arguments.Ma began to spread that there were too many suspicions about Kim Gun-hee in the people's heads. No one can deny that. I personally think it's weird for someone to deny it, no matter how much they try to defend their passport. In such a situation, shouldn't we admit that the approval rate for the independent counsel Kim Gun-hee is high? If so, it will be a rejection today, but the opposition party will do this again. Are you going to keep going like this? Maybe there will be a critical point someday. Isn't that what people say inside the passport? If so, the current presidential office, especially the governing camp, should change its view on this issue. There are continuous problems, not problems with the separation of powers, but we have to respond head-on. I don't have to talk about former Presidents Kim Young-sam and Kim Dae Jung in the past, but I really have to do what I have to do for the country and the passport, but I exclude all of them and talk about something else. Another thing is that you did it at the dinner yesterday, the day before yesterday, right? Since no one said that there, I think the passport's ability to self-purify itself is almost paralyzed.

[Anchor]
The ruling camp is also saying that an exit strategy is needed now. Rep. Kim Jae-seop and Rep. Jang Kyung-tae, let's listen together.

[Anchor]
Today's vote is a rejection. When CEO Han Dong-hoon said this, if reporters vote again next time, I hesitated a little when I asked this question. Can you just keep refusing? We need an exit strategy. How do you see this point?

[Kim Jin]
The logic that CEO Han Dong-hoon says should be rejected is very subtle. First lady Kim Gun-hee was not indicted by the prosecution in the luxury bag case. Didn't he shake off the Deutsche Motors incident and the Moon Jae In regime? I'm not arguing that there's any charge of conducting an independent counsel, but I'm opposing it by using the special counsel's method. It is a special prosecution law that requires the Democratic Party to decide on a special prosecutor at its discretion. That's why he's arguing against it and rejecting it. So half of it is very subtle. So what I'm thinking is,

[Anchor]
If the Democratic Party wants to change its ways, does it become ambiguous?

[Kim Jin]
So CEO Han Dong-hoon's position becomes very ambiguous. Like the Special Prosecutor Act on Chae Sang-byung. Let's have a third-party special prosecutor, Kim Gun-hee. If you go out like this, CEO Han Dong-hoon will not be logical in the future. However, if it is rejected today, it will be a second rejection. Then, the third is that it will be reissued in November after the parliamentary audit. Before that, I think there is a very high possibility that Mrs. Kim Gun-hee will leave the Deutsche Motors case aside and apologize to the public with only one luxury bag case as soon as possible.

[Anchor]
Do you think there's a possibility of coming out and apologizing in person?

[Kim Jin]
The Deutsche Motors incident is now delaying the apology by putting this on the line. Because it's two completely different events. The luxury bag is his moral and political responsibility because the investigation has been completed. Because the president said it was unwise. I think I'm going to apologize to the public. If that happens, representative Han Dong-hoon or the people's power will have a justification to continue to oppose the special prosecution law.

[Anchor]
The Democratic Party of Korea is also predicting that it will be rejected today, but even if it is rejected today, I don't think the problem is a period, but we will see how it will progress. They were Kim Jin, a former editor of the JoongAng Ilbo, and Choi Chang-ryul, a special professor at Yongin University. Thank you.