The aftermath of Mrs. Kim's departure from the independent counsel law...Han Dong-hoon, a friendly dinner.

■ Host: Lee Ha-rin Anchor
■ Starring: Choi Chang-ryul, Yongin University Special Professor, Park Sang-gyu, current affairs critic

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[Anchor]
Although the power of the people has blocked the Special Prosecutor's Act on Kim Gun-hee, there are also growing voices within the party calling for Kim's apology. In the meantime, let's look at what it means for representative Han Dong-hoon to hold a dinner meeting with close lawmakers today. With Choi Chang-ryeol, a special professor at Yongin University, and Park Sang-gyu, a current affairs critic. Welcome, two of you.

Let's start with the first topic. Kim Dae-nam, a former senior administrator of the presidential office, talked to an Internet media reporter ahead of the July 23 national convention, which continues to be controversial. He is suspected of instigating an attack on Han, saying that if he attacked Han Dong-hoon, Kim would like it. The
presidential office denies the connection, saying it has no friendship with former administrator Kim. Representative Han Dong-hoon said that a fact-finding investigation is needed even more as it has nothing to do with the president. Do you think we need a fact-finding mission?

[Park Sang Kyu]
In conclusion, a fact-finding investigation is necessary. However, they have different opinions on the format that CEO Han Dong-hoon says. So let's get to the bottom of it, but the party leader is attacking him. You're the target of the owner's attack. It's a form of openly ordering a fact-finding investigation with your own. By doing so, isn't this becoming an issue that the Democratic Party will relatively like politically?

So, it is true that this is an individual deviation from the presidential office in Yongsan. Kim Dae-nam also has a strong side of showing off his friendship with the president and his wife. I don't know the truth. However, they are saying that we need to consider this carefully, but CEO Han Dong-hoon and his aides keep saying that this is structural, and it's not just one case. It's behind it, and it's seen as a female-female conflict because you keep raising problems like this, but if you look at representative Han Dong-hoon's argument, it's kind of in line with the Democratic Party's argument.

And if you look at the attack of Daegu Mayor Hong Joon Pyo, you don't agree with the expression that it's a little bit like that with personal problems.Ma is a bit raw. Rep. Na Kyung-won also said, "Who will be good at this?" and said, "Isn't the essence of this problem shifting to conflict between women and women?" This is how I see it.

Formally, I think it's time to talk about the results with a reasonable fact after being more secretive and private. Also, above all, former senior administrator Kim Dae-nam is not giving up the position after receiving a billion-dollar salary for SGI guarantee insurance. I don't understand this. We need to clean up our election records first. They tell me to organize it myself, but I can't organize it myself in these matters.

[Anchor]
The president's office told me to sort it out on my own.

[Park Sang Kyu]
He says he won't step down. Speaking of honey jar, I don't know.

[Anchor]
He pointed out that it should have been conducted more secretly and privately. Professor, what do you think?

[Choi Chang Ryul]
I don't think such a problem is the essence. I think it's a criticism of why CEO Han Dong-hoon is so angry when it's an attack on him.

[Anchor]
The mayor of Hong Joon Pyo is kind of alive, and the head of the ruling party is criticizing him. Rep. Na Kyung-won said it was the act.

[Choi Chang Ryul]
I don't think you're going to criticize like that. It could be a matter of how CEO Han Dong-hoon works. If an argument is revealed after investigating it later, we can talk about it then. If CEO Han Dong-hoon thought there was a real problem with this, he thinks he can order a fact-finding investigation.

I think lawmakers Na Kyung-won and these people criticize Han Dong-hoon too strongly. This is also the logic of the camp within the ruling party, and the cracks in the ruling party are... I think it's almost a clash that doesn't even make sense to say that it's a crack. I think that's what happens.

If representative Han Dong-hoon's relationship with the president is not rough, I think he would come out without pointing out like this, but so would Representative Na Kyung-won. So I don't understand this behavior of former senior administrator Kim Dae-nam. Is it a personal matter? According to Kim Dae-nam, the former administrator, what kind of friendship he had with the president, there is a saying that he met with Yoon when he was elected.

But the president's office says they don't know. So we don't know who's right about this. In addition, former administrator Kim Dae-nam denies it.Ma said something similar like, "Ma took a picture and went." That's not true, they say they've never had an influence.

[Anchor]
An acquaintance of Seoul Guarantee Insurance recommended it and claims that he applied.

[Choi Chang Ryul]
It's like a trophy for the ruling party, the opposition party, and the previous government. That's something that really needs fixing, but who said they're going to get rid of the parachute? The president was like that in the past, and the president is like that now. I made a promise like that, but it's not an empty story. People who have been in the presidential office in the past or now, or who have been in the Blue House in the past, are waiting in line for such a position.

An acquaintance recommended those parts through such a normal procedure? In my view, it's common sense to see who influenced it. That part must also be revealed. As we said earlier, our critic Park Sang-gyu said something good, so we should quit. It's causing such a stir. It's common sense to think that he went here because of the influence of the ruling party and the ruling party, he denies it.Ma. You have to give up this seat.

If the presidential office presses this incorrectly, it is called abuse of authority. You have to decide your own course of action, but the ruling party has to exert influence somehow. Isn't that how it's supposed to be? In the case of ministerial candidates, if it becomes a problem, they quit themselves. But what kind of influence does it all work in it? Shouldn't we do it like this? But does it make sense that you're still here?

[Anchor]
Will this controversy end if I quit?

[Choi Chang Ryul]
It's not over for now, but we have to decide on our future and let him quit.

[Anchor]
Let's move on to the next topic. Mrs. Kim Gun-hee is also suspected of intervening in the nomination. Myung Tae-kyun's phone recording file is being released, and it has even been revealed that he had a criminal record of violating the Public Official Election Act. The presidential office is also drawing a line, saying it is not related. At this point, there are criticisms that an appropriate message should come out. How do you see it?

[Park Sang Kyu]
Myung Tae-kyun's problem needs to be more truthful. It's what we always say, and everything comes first with rumors followed by facts. So, some reasonable facts should come out first, but it is true that Myung Tae-kyun has a money transaction with former lawmaker Kim Young-sun.

It is said that there have been several financial relationships, starting with the exchange of 63 million won. This is true. If so, Myung Tae-kyun may have inflated his friendship. Why would you lend me 63 million won between the signatures when we exchange money? I don't think that's common sense.

If that's the case, there's a special relationship between you. Then, Myung Tae-kyun may have over-packed his political influence. At that time, former lawmaker Kim Young-sun was thirsty for nomination. I have to go somewhere. So it'll come out a little later, but there's a story that he also talked about with the former CEO Lee Joon-seok.

Therefore, there is a possibility that this person has said enough that I know who in Yongsan and that I can exert influence this well. This is also a probability. So, what is the truth or the truth about the issue of Myung Tae-kyun clearly for the people to judge? At least, the investigation into these things, if not true, should precede.

If you talk about it, I think it's a big problem to inflate suspicions like this, because everything is Yongsan, and Yongsan must have taken care of it.

[Anchor]
As you said, there are only suspicions about Kim's involvement in the nomination. Let me reiterate that no solid evidence has come out. And as mentioned earlier, this firestorm is also going to Lee Joon-seok, a member of the New Reform Party. In 2021, President Yoon and Rep. Lee Joon-seok, the representative of the People's Power at the time, held a so-called chimaek meeting.

Representative Lee Joon-seok and Myung Tae-kyun are conflicting over who planned this. We're showing you a graphic. Myung Tae-kyun was planned by himself by the chicken and beer meeting of President Yoon and then-CEO Lee Joon-seok. Lee Joon-seok, former chairman of the People's Power, claimed that the party leader's secretariat planned it at the time and that I suggested the place called Konkuk University Entrance. This truth battle is unfolding late, so what do you think is right?

[Choi Chang Ryul]
It's a battle of truth, so there's no way to know in general. There is no evidence, and each of them has different arguments. It is not a matter of fact that there is such a mutual truth battle and truth battle in our politics, but I think Kim Gun-hee is unnecessarily involved in nominating candidates, regardless of where she supports, regardless of the public's perception of the general public, progressive, and conservative parties. There is no basis for concluding that

has been intervened. You said probability earlier. I'm sure many people will say it's probable. I think those parts generally appear in a form where public sentiment is deviated, as these things pile up and pile up. It won't be a big problem just with each single fact.

Politics can have ups and downs depending on the issue, but the overall trend these days is that Kim Gun-hee's risk is quite concrete, in fact. There's no denying that. Is there a person who denies that in the passport appointment?

[Anchor]
The fact that it is mentioned in the nomination intervention part itself will inevitably be a burden in the presidential office.

[Choi Chang Ryul]
Even if I can't guarantee that I was involved in the primary, even if I don't know if this is more true or not, I think there is a side that is being dragged into by these people like Myung Tae-kyun. But anyway, do you see any involvement in this? That's why the parliamentary audit starts tomorrow. So, judicial risks against Representative Lee Jae-myung and various issues against First Lady Kim Gun-hee, I think these will be issues between the ruling and opposition parties in the parliamentary inspection.

But everyone is worried that if there is a recording related to Kim Gun-hee or a messenger conversation, there is no way to deny it. So, according to one theory, there are so many stories that there are reports like this coming into the opposition party's office. It's in the news, too. I'm worried about this.

If this happens, the ruling party's approval rating will drop and Kim Gun-hee's suspicion of intervening in the nomination process could be problematic in the relationship between the ruling and opposition parties.Ma can create a gap in the leadership of state affairs. You're taking so long to talk about these things. The opposition party is talking about Lee Jae-myung at the election site so that he can be reminded of impeachment. The leader of the opposition party.

Then, if these parts come out of the parliamentary inspection, it's a assumption. It's a premise.I am concerned about the leadership of the state administration. Apart from simply arguing about these small issues between the ruling and opposition parties. That's very concerning and concerning. I can't help but worry about whether the president's office is looking closely at it.

[Anchor]
Ahead of the parliamentary inspection, the presidential office and the ruling party are likely to be complicated. Today, CEO Han Dong-hoon is having a dinner meeting with his close circle for the first time since taking office. At this point, I think we need to analyze what kind of friendly meetings are suggesting.

[Park Sang Kyu]
I think it's a very important meeting. As you said, the parliamentary inspection will begin tomorrow, and the Democratic Party has set up a judging headquarters after a long name. It's the judging headquarters. It is simply a clarification of the will to lead the National Assembly inspection to the National Assembly inspection of Kim Gun-hee. It's probably going to be incredibly loud.

In the midst of this, we need to analyze the votes for the twin special prosecutors and 250,000 won. Coincidentally, the two special prosecutors got 104 votes. But for the 250,000 won law, 111 votes came out. At least four votes have left. This part came out the same as 140 to be seen as coincidental, when it comes to the double special prosecutor.

So, what is this about, the Kim Gun-hee Special Prosecutor Act or the Marine Corps Special Prosecutor Act? It's like pre-tuning, invisible hand. Adam Smith has no choice but to be mentioned, but if that's the case, he's taking a strong question mark about whether he can do this again next time. According to the actual interviews, there are quite a few small-scale lawmakers such as Kim Yong-tae and Kim Jae-seop, and at this stage, we naturally reject it because there are unconstitutional elements, but I don't know the next one.

The ball was handed over to the president's office or the core of the ruling party. Unless something convincing comes out, I don't know about these 104 seats. About 20 people will meet. About 20 people is a huge number. If five or six more votes out of this vote leave, of course, it doesn't mean that they're all close, but that's how the public opinion in the market sees it.

So we can't help but talk about that, although it can't be revealed. Floor leader Choo Kyung-ho said this. Since it is a constitutional institution, they must have done it at their own will. It's trying hard to draw a line, but it can't be a personal will. I think there was some kind of coordination of votes between the two special prosecutors within the close circle.

[Anchor]
However, representative Han Dong-hoon announced in the morning that the rejection was decided by the party's theory. Then even CEO Han Dong-hoon, can you say something weird there? As CEO Han Dong-hoon, we have no choice but to make an official position like that. You talked like a lawyer.

Since there is an unconstitutional element and the Democratic Party of Korea can never agree on that kind of independent counsel law, we said we were against it not to be swayed, but only briefly pointed out legal issues without giving any more political meaning. The political implications of this are quite over-the-top.

The president will leave the country for a week and five nights and six days today for a trip to ASEAN. In the meantime, the special prosecutor's battle will probably be fierce during the parliamentary audit. Ahead of this, there's no way we can only talk about the National Assembly at tonight's dinner. What are we going to do in the future? To put it in a bit figuratively, it's in the middle of a perfect storm, and it's in the eye of a typhoon.

If you're in the eye of a typhoon, you can't feel the wind. If it's a little off, it's a perfect storm. So what are you going to do about this? There must be a fierce discussion on how to lead the passport with a fate that is like a piece of paper, tonight's dinner. So tonight's dinner will be a very important dinner to gauge the direction of the entire passport.

And wouldn't all kinds of stories come out here? Of course, I don't know if it will be reported or not.

[Anchor]
"A dinner between Han Dong-hoon and his close friends will be a great event," said Shin Pyeong, a lawyer who posted a long message on Facebook yesterday, and as long as one of them is in politics, President Yoon's approval rating will not recover. I posted something like this. What do you think it means?

[Choi Chang Ryul]
It's his personal opinion. I think that doesn't really help the passport either. Is it because of representative Han Dong-hoon now that the president's approval rating and the public sentiment toward the ruling party in general? I think it's hard to look at it like that. Shouldn't we talk about the common denominator of many people's thoughts?

I'm sure they all think differently.Why did you lose the general election? Was it just because of CEO Han Dong-hoon? Last year's election for the head of Gangseo-gu District Office. These days, he's in the middle of election for the head of a localE. Why did you lose the election for Gangseo-gu in October last year? CEO Han Dong-hoon was not the chairman of the emergency committee at the time. Lawyer Shinpyeong's words are not logical.

I don't think it's logical, and I don't think it's logical. He always appears sometimes and says that.

[Anchor]
Earlier, I said that if Mrs. Kim apologizes, it will trigger impeachment.

[Choi Chang Ryul]
I don't think that's the essence. The overall trend of public sentiment and deterioration of public opinion are now being analyzed like that, but I think the problem can become more and more twisted if the core of the ruling party also has the same idea as lawyer Shin Pyeong. I don't think that's the essence.

Han Dong-hoon is the head of the ruling party and President Yoon is the head of the Republic of Korea's ruling party. Before he was president, as a faction. You two are looking at the cracks, and the cracks, the collisions, I think I'm almost in a state of collision, beyond conflict. This part was caused by the appointment of CEO Han Dong-hoon. How many people would agree with that analysis, I doubt it.

[Anchor]
As mentioned earlier, on the 4th, the National Assembly voted again on the first lady Kim Gun-hee's independent counsel law, and up to four votes were cast in the ruling party, and we talked about this a while ago. The opposition party declared that it would be re-issued immediately, and if it goes through the process of veto and re-voting again, what would the situation be like then? Or now, I think we need to predict whether the situation will change a little.

[Park Sang Kyu]
Park Chan-dae, the floor leader, made it clear. I will continue to propose. The content will be strengthened further. What this is is common sense that if you hit a rock with an egg, it can't break the rock, but it can be dirty. But the Democratic Party's eggs are not eggs. There is a ball of iron in the egg.

If you keep doing it like this, it's bound to shake, and you're saying you're going to keep putting facts on it like I said before. So, we need to see how powerful the facts related to Mrs. Kim Gun-hee or the Marines will be. There are a lot of reports, as if they've piled up a lot.

[Anchor]
This parliamentary inspection can have a great influence.

[Park Sang Kyu]
Isn't it that the referee's headquarters was formed to make it like that? That's how I look at it. Another thing is that what Ahn Cheol Soo said about 104 votes was actually very threatening. The razor cut his neck slightly. I cut it slightly.

In this part, the 106-surface passport hasn't had a comfortable weekend yet, but there are actually four or six votes. But let's say we got 106 votes. If you get more than three votes, these three votes have a great meaning in the political history of Korea. There are people who lost to three votes, and there are people who recounted it. So the meaning of those 104 votes should never be interpreted as small.

That's probably one abstention vote and one invalid vote should be viewed as the opposite even within the passport. There are cases where we interpret abstention and invalidity as a yes, but politically, we oppose them all this time. Therefore, skepticism continues to spread within the ruling camp, and as I said earlier, there should be some precautionary measures first on whether it is an audit of former administrator Kim Dae-nam.

Speaking of balloons, it's very tightly inflated. It's swollen enough to burst when you touch it. You have to take out the steam. You need to open some valves to deflate them.

[Anchor]
How do you take out the seaweed?

[Park Sang Kyu]
There have already been calls for a number of measures on that. I believe that Kim Dae-nam, who is understandable, should first say sorry for the self-reflection and controversy, and then step down. And I think there should be a self-determination for the problem that no one can dare to speak about now. I still have time.

Some journalists have already said in their column that it's too late to apologize, but I don't think so. I'm not going to talk about specific media.E. But when you say it's past that point of apology, that might be the earliest point. But you can't be stingy. All the ruling camp's supporters are concerned that the overall power of the state administration continues to decline. It's throwing a punch, but this punch is not working.

The opponent is not feeling any sense of hit at all. The loss of state power is very dangerous. So in the first week, I heard that the president is going to ASEAN and working hard to win nuclear power projects in the Philippines. I think it's time for aides to give wise advice after carefully considering what can be more centrifugal between such measures and the measures currently taking place in the country.

[Anchor]
We will see if the president and the ruling party will resolve the issue. After the parliamentary inspection, by-elections are waiting. The leadership of the ruling and opposition parties is now putting their lives on the line, how do you predict it?

[Choi Chang Ryul]
It is a place where the ruling party is located, and the ruling party is in an advantageous position. Glory, not to mention wailing. In Yeonggwang and Gokseong, representative Cho Kuk and representative Lee Jae-myung are working hard. If you become the Cho Kuk Innovation Party in Yeonggwang and Gokseong, there's talk of unification.E. For CEO Lee Jae-myung, it can be quite burdensome. Of course, it's the Democratic Party's garden.

However, for the Cho Kuk Innovation Party, even one seat in Honam is not a member of the National Assembly. Winning the election would be meaningful. Because it's a situation where you can grow into a local party. The problem is that if the ruling party loses in Geumjeong or Ganghwa, the damage suffered by representative Han Dong-hoon at that time. And CEO Han Donghoon is also an individual.Ma has plenty of room for interpretation that the passport is losing its approval rating.

Because it's significant, eventually there will be specific variables. How unified can the opposition eventually become, in the politics. If the opposition party fails to unify, I think the ruling party will win in the opposition party. if the opposition party fails to unify If the unification is achieved, it will be difficult to guarantee that, but the ban will be advantageous. Passport is in the best interest. I've only lost once in the ruling party.

Therefore, it would be burdensome for the ruling party that former Incheon Mayor Ahn Sang-soo, who defected from the people's power, ran for office. It's more than just an election to select the head of a local government. In October last year, the by-election for the head of Gangseo-gu began to take on a similar political meaning. At the same time, the ruling and opposition parties have become a life-or-death situation.

[Anchor]
Finally, let's talk about former President Moon Jae In. We told you earlier on the news. Moon Da-hye, the daughter of former President Moon Jae In, caused a drunk driving accident, which was at the level of cancellation of her license. He is under investigation by the prosecution over allegations of preferential hiring of his ex-husband, Seo, and caused another controversy.

[Park Sang Kyu]
It's an inexcusable fault. 0. 18.0.14 is the level of license cancellation, but it was canceled by simple drinking. It's close to the scene of the H Hotel tragedy that you know well, and he was driving a car drunk and tried to change the lane, but the taxi that was going well in my lane just hit him.

But the taxi is called a cervical sprain. I was so shocked that I twisted my neck. I suddenly stepped in. If you drink that much, you don't know if you have a good sense of direction. He just thinks he's running alone, talking about the police. an inexcusable act of deviance Why did Moon Da-hye, who thought she would have been in Yangsan, Gyeongsangnam-do, cause such an accident while driving alone at dawn in the middle of Itaewon, Seoul? He had to just lie on his stomach and apologize, and no excuses worked.

In general, former President Moon Jae In said that drunk driving is a murder act as a very straightforward lawyer and president. You can only think that your oldest daughter did that. No excuse should work because someone committed an act that could kill someone, and there should be strict measures allowed by law. And before that, I think you should apologize to the public.

[Anchor]
There is a police investigation on this, and Moon Da-hye's position has not come out yet. I'll let you know when Moon Da-hye's side comes out. Lastly, former President Moon Jae In, Gyeonggi Province Governor Kim Dong-yeon and pro-Moon figures were present yesterday, so how should we interpret it?

[Choi Chang Ryul]
I don't think the meaning is small. I think I stopped in Suwon to celebrate the 10.4 declaration of the past inter-Korean summit of Gyeonggi-do Province, of course, and visited Gyeonggi-do Provincial Government. Governor Kim Dong-yeon openly opposed the 250,000 won law, which Lee Jae-myung has been talking about in the opposition party. It's almost like a basic income. The basic income will be a political symbol of Lee Jae-myung.

The fact that Lee Jae-myung openly opposed this part is that if Lee Jae-myung's status as a ruling party runner is shaken by judicial risks, the governor of Gyeongsang Province is sufficiently qualified and capable to fill the position.

[Anchor] Former President Moon empowered me, can I look at it like this?

[Choi Chang Ryul]
I'm sure there's something like that. Jeon Hae-cheol is the chairman of the Gyeonggi-do governor's advisory committee. This is the person who ran for Congressman Yang Moon-seok. Overall, there were a lot of pro-Moon people in the last general election. And I've been using a lot of personal greetings in Gyeonggi-do. And then I met with President Moon Jae In, so this is thinking about the death of President Moon Jae In. It means a lot politically. They must have been aware of that. Former President Moon Jae In and Governor Kim Dong-yeon.

[Park Sang Kyu]
I think it's very meaningful to say it briefly. Because on November 15th and 25th, CEO Lee Jae-myung's first trial sentence is announced every 10 days. It came out of Yangsan at this point. So it's an empowering move, but as anyone can see, Lee Jae-myung's side is expressing an unpleasant reaction officially and informally.

Rather than making remarks to empower Chairman Lee Jae-myung at a time when all opposition parties should gather together ahead of the parliamentary inspection of the government, why do they visit the strongest opposition party, Jamryong, and encourage him like that? It's a position where I want you to stay still. Another possibility of conflict in the opposition party is the way the wind is going on, I think so.

[Anchor]
They analyzed that it showed a potential conflict between the opposition parties. I'll stop here with Jungkook's news today. Choi Chang-ryeol, a special professor at Yongin University, and Park Sang-gyu, a current affairs critic. Thank you both.