Han Dong Hoon's remarks...Yoon Sang-hyun, "Are you going to hold a public opinion trial for Kim Gun-hee?"

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■ Starring: Choi Chang-ryul, Special Professor at Yongin University, Kim Jin, former Editorial Writer at JoongAng Ilbo

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[Anchor]
A political commentary with a living angle, starting at the stroke of the hour. Today, we have Kim Jin, a former editor of the JoongAng Ilbo, and Choi Chang-ryul, a special professor at Yongin University. Let's check the first keyword first. Refrain from making self-inflicted remarks. Representative Yoon Sang-hyun criticized representative Han Dong-hoon like this. Representative Yoon Sang-hyun shot at Han Dong-hoon's remarks in connection with the controversy over Kim Gun-hee.

Let's look at the content graphically first. He said that if you are not brainstorming about the demonization of First Lady Kim Gun-hee, you should refrain from making self-inflicted remarks. The investigation is based on objective facts and legal principles, and it is difficult to even imagine it with the remarks of the Minister of Justice, who asked the public to meet the public's standards. Commissioner Kim Jin, so in relation to the Deutsche Motors investigation, representative Han Dong-hoon hit back at these remarks that the public should have a convincing result. How did you like it?

[Kim Jin]
I think it is the biggest defeat remarks of CEO Han Dong-hoon in his political life. It's a very bad thing. First of all, he has denied his identity as a prosecutor himself, and before he is the head of the ruling party, the prosecutor investigates and decides which suspects he or she prosecutes or does not prosecute, according to the facts and legal principles, public opinion about that person. Then, should the prosecution prosecute all the suspects who have bad opinion polls? Before he was a politician, he saw his identity as a prosecutor and these things as a complete denial.

That will continue to be a problem in restoring relations with President Yoon Suk Yeol and establishing leadership as the leader of the ruling party. Even if you become a presidential candidate and go on a TV debate, you will be asked that question persistently. If you become the president, will you ask the public to prosecute all those who are under investigation by the prosecution and those who have bad public opinion? You will be asked this question. So that will be the biggest defeat and most important controversy since Han Dong-hoon entered politics.

[Anchor]
However, representative Han Dong-hoon said that the results should be convincing to the public, not to prosecute. Do you think the word indictment is in there?

[Choi Chang Ryul]
I don't think so, but it's possible to interpret that it means prosecution. However, lawmaker Yoon Sang-hyun's remarks are correct. The investigation should be based on objectives, facts, and jurisprudence. You can't necessarily meet the public's eye level. We should look at the context of this statement. The Deutsche stock price manipulation case has been around for a long time. And if you look at the public opinion now, it is undeniable that public opinion is formed toward Kim Gun-hee's suspicion.

The context of this case is that the results are understood by the public. Recently, Mr. Son said it was a so-called Jeonju, but he was innocent and then found guilty. Various arguments are different. First Lady Kim Gun-hee's account was used. Even if it is used, it is not a stock price manipulation, yes, various things like this. I'm going to do it according to these things. Of course, it's very natural to do that. If so, do we have to say this in the current situation where the ruling party is losing public sentiment in various situations?

I think it's hard for CEO Han Dong-hoon to simply say, "Do this according to public opinion, unconditionally, according to public opinion." This is a little bit so Rep. Yoon Sang-hyun said, "Politicians' quotes are bound to be political anyway. Rep. Yoon Sang-hyun's remarks are not in line with the public's expectation. That's how I personally think.

[Anchor]
In any case, as representative Han Dong-hoon's remarks on the Kim Gun-hee controversy are intensifying, internal war of words is also heating up. Let's hear from representative Han Dong-hoon and lawmaker Kang Seung-gyu.

[Han Dong-hoon / Representative of People's Power: (The prosecution said it is not prosecuting Kim's Deutsche case.)) I don't know what plans the prosecution has. However, I think the prosecution should produce results that the public can understand. I'm not attacking or criticizing Mrs. Kim Gun-hee. Don't you think so? And this is what I think. Whether it's pro-Yoon or some of the presidential secretaries, rather than hiding behind anonymity and talking about things that are far from the public sentiment, if you have an opinion, please say it confidently under your name. ]

[Kang Seung-gyu / Member of the People's Power (SBS Kim Tae-hyun's Political Show): Is the Deutsche Motors case a case that should be judged by public opinion? It has to be done according to the law whether there was a crime or not. How does that mean that the ruling party leader, who became the justice minister, will make a public opinion trial based on the feelings of the people? Although the investigation was legally conducted, the public sentiment is like this even though there is no crime, so prosecution should be made in this area. It's not going to be like this. Then, what does it mean to do it according to public opinion? Are you saying that the prosecution is not investigating properly according to public opinion? Does that mean CEO Han Dong-hoon was like that when he was the Minister of Justice at the time? That was a little hard for me to understand. ]

[Anchor]
Don't criticize after anonymity. CEO Han Dong-hoon strongly expressed this position. There seems to be this agony behind CEO Han Dong-hoon's remarks. Four votes have been cast for departure, and Special Prosecutor Kim Gun-hee, how long can we stop it? I think that's my concern.

[Kim Jin]
That's the logic that Shin Ji-ho, the head of the Strategic Planning Department, did a few days ago. Isn't it Han Dong-hoon's right arm? He was once one of President Yoon Suk Yeol's staff groups. After becoming president, he even served as vice chairman of the Youth Policy Committee, but now he betrays President Yoon Suk Yeol with strange logic as representative Han Dong-hoon's right arm. If the prosecution does not prosecute, it is very difficult to oppose the special prosecution law from the power of the people.

Should such a prosecution decide whether to indict a political party or not by looking at the interests of a political party? Since CEO Han Dong-hoon's remarks were made right after that came out, it is clear that Han Dong-hoon's convincing investigation result means that the prosecution, which Vice-President Shin Ji-ho says, should prosecute. Vice-President Shin Ji-ho talked with the consent of CEO Han Dong-hoon in advance. And when I see representative Han Dong-hoon having a question-and-answer session with reporters these days, I always talk about the public sentiment, the public, and the public at the end of every word.

This is a very dangerous statement as a political leader. The people are different, different types of issues, and different types of issues. There are people who are right and people who are wrong. The people who got it wrong are the people who go into agitation, ignore the facts, and scream emotionally. people during mad cow disease Japanese people who supported the militaristic regime during the Pacific War. So, will Han Dong-hoon's own politics, which talks about public sentiment in that way, work in my opinion? It's a head-on challenge to principles and common sense. So I think this situation is very serious.

[Anchor]
You said it's not good to keep raising public sentiment in this way, but regulations and judgments on public sentiment may be different, so I'll organize it with Kim Jin's personal judgment and move on. Anyway, if the public's power is blocked until the independent counsel is not indicted, will it be able to handle the public opinion? This is the close side, now we are almost at the limit. This is a story from a close relationship. How do you see that?

[Choi Chang Ryul]
The entire passport is completely different from the close one. Nevertheless, of course, the people are all different. Are 57 million all the same? That's not true. However, there is definitely public opinion in the general public. That's called public sentiment. Anyway, the passport is a huge crisis. Do you deny that? I don't think they'll deny it just because they're pro-Yoon people. What is the source of the crisis that the passport is currently facing? What's the essence? That's the only thing I have to see. Isn't it a public opinion trial based on one of his remarks? I don't understand the people who make this kind of statement. I still don't think the passport understands the nature of this crisis. It is natural for the prosecution to prosecute based on legal principles, facts, and evidence.

Don't do that and follow the so-called public sentiment unconditionally. How can you do that in modern times? Anyway, since the Deutsche Motors stock price manipulation case has been a long time, and the arguments are different, it should be done by law, but it should not be prosecuted even though there are problems and charges, right? I think that's the right way to interpret it. If you forcefully twist this and say, "Are you saying that lawmaker Yoon Sang-hyun shouldn't be based on legal principles and facts?" It's not nonsense for children to say this. I don't think you should approach it like this. You have to think about what the current public sentiment is. Do you think of anything else, leaving the essence behind?

[Anchor]
In any case, it is up to the prosecution to prosecute or not. It is true that public opinion has deteriorated due to various controversies, and Kim Jin-hee recently gave an opinion that it would be good to apologize in person. Some point out that the timing is too late. How do you see that?

[Kim Jin]
It's not too late. Since the beginning of the year, I have insisted that a very formal apology should be made to the public since the luxury bag incident broke out, and now let's think about how to solve this problem. If representative Han Dong-hoon sticks to that kind of position and the prosecution does not indict him, so the president vetoed the independent counsel law three times, and let's think that representative Han Dong-hoon does not reject it with party theory, but leaves it to a free vote.

So if more than four votes leave and the special prosecution law is passed, President Yoon Suk Yeol's lame duck will begin immediately. Then, a medical crisis or something. Even now, the medical community is closely watching the regime shake. Then the medical reform will go down the drain, and the medical crisis will completely pass on to doctors. Not only that, but in a word, lame-duck is the beginning.

So if it is approved, the independent counsel begins. Such media will be plastered with special prosecutors every day, and the question of summoning Kim Gun-hee, things like this. And in that case, what choice should President Yoon Suk Yeol make? In my view, the president of Yoon Suk Yeol may think of a winning move in terms of personality or style. Something like defecting from the party, for example. He left the party. And since CEO Han Dong-hoon's remarks are in direct violation of principles, common sense, and legal principles, it could be a justification for the pro-Yoon-gye to decide to break up with CEO Han Dong-hoon.

[Anchor]
How does breaking up mean breaking up?

[Kim Jin]
For example, we need to see the results of the by-elections of Han Dong-hoon.Ma could also pressure Han Dong-hoon to resign by talking about leadership issues, the party's conflict, and conflicts with the president. And it's possible to talk about Bundang or defecting from the party. The president of Yoon Suk Yeol can also consider leaving the party. Representative Han Dong-hoon blocked the possibility of change for President Yoon Suk Yeol.

So the only card left for President Yoon Suk Yeol and First Lady Kim Gun-hee is a public apology. But it's about the luxury bag case. The Deutsche Motors case has no choice but to leave it to the prosecution's judgment. Another conceivable card could be to open an objective organization called the Prosecution Investigation Review Committee and hand over the final decision to that side for now.

[Anchor]
An apology can be complicated because there are various issues, including the controversy over Myung Tae-kyun. There's a story like this. In any case, it is true that the pro-yoon community is also complaining about why Han Dong-hoon keeps raising internal problems in public. Former emergency committee member Kim Kyung-yul said this about this point. Let's listen to it.

[Kim Kyung-yul/ Former emergency committee member (CBS Park Jae-hong's match)] When Yoon Sang-hyun ran for the party leader, he used this expression in his declaration. It is as quiet as the peace of the cemetery. forcing silence on anyone, even as very serious issues continue to be raised and popped. Don't say the words I heard the most while serving as an emergency committee member and the words I heard the most from an insider of the National Power. No, I'm here as an emergency committee member. Then what do you want me to do? Regarding Han Dong-hoon, he said, "He is literally the best person in the party. Please keep it private." No, I think so. Wouldn't CEO Han Dong-hoon have talked about it in various ways behind closed doors? Then don't say it because you raise some public issues. Keep it private. This is funny. What party is this then? ]

[Anchor]
The party leader has a problem with the party, so keep it private. What kind of political party is that? It's a counter-argument.

[Choi Chang Ryul]
There are also things that politics can be private. It's so-called underwater contact. We also have secret negotiations. Politics and diplomacy are all the same. I told you earlier about those who are close to Yoon Kye.Ma doesn't seem to have much insight into why the current problem is a problem. I can't even point it out like that. Why are you saying it all of a sudden and making things wrong? You do things like that, you can talk about playing the media. Is this phase also a matter of disclosure or non-disclosure? What's the content is important. He kept talking about whether it was revealed or not. It means that the disclosure made it difficult for the president's office to be positioned.

Even if there are some parts like that, I don't think it's the essence. So, what is the essence of disclosure and non-disclosure? And sometimes the party leader can talk openly. For example, reporters ask questions when they come out after an event on the street. Then I shouldn't say that either, right? There's no party like that in the world, and there's no country like that. There are times when it is disclosed, and when it comes out while talking to reporters, that can be an issue. It's open to you with that, it's private. I don't think all the people who are the core of this administration are like that.Ma personally, I don't understand why they approach politics like that.

[Anchor]
Is it the role of the party leader to protect only the president? I think it's the purpose of the friendly community's remarks that they can talk openly when there's a problem. How do you see it?

[Kim Jin]
That's not the case. I don't know the political mechanism. The president is the father of the family and the leader of the ruling party is the mother. Father and mother may have a marital fight. But you shouldn't let the sound go out of the fence in the house, and if your mother visits the town hall and curses your husband, what will happen to the family and the children of the family? The president and the head of the ruling party, especially the head of the ruling party, should have the skills and wisdom to cover up their speech.

For example, Kim Gun-hee's Deutch case should present the results of the investigation that the public can understand. It's about going to the town hall and publicly pressuring my husband. Are you saying you're going to solve their problems, or I'm not a weird mother who is determined to divorce and raise my voice and do my politics at the last minute. I haven't seen an example of a successful political party between such a mother and father. CEO Kim Moo-sung didn't do that much either. I think conservatives are cowardly.

He doesn't think about what the conservatives are all about for his politics, but just puts pressure on the president. In a progressive regime, have the Democratic Party's party leader ever publicly go out of the fence, go to the town hall and attack the president because the president and the family around him did something wrong? Never in history. Such a representative is completely kicked out by the party members. Why did the Park Geun Hye regime fail? The Yoo Seung Min floor leader went to the National Assembly and publicly criticized the president and the policy, so the regime has been ruined since then. In my judgment, progress is shallow and conservatives are sloppy and cowardly.

[Anchor]
I don't know if many people would agree with my father's and mother's metaphors, but if I have to ask a question, it's not right to openly talk about the family's problems anyway, he gave me a metaphor like this. Still, even if you talk quietly in private or through someone else, you may be able to talk openly when you can't hear or communicate. How do you see that?

[Kim Jin]
That's not true. Even in that case, you shouldn't say it publicly. A strange mother like CEO Han Dong-hoon has made little effort to solve the problem behind closed doors so far. according to the facts revealed Mrs. Kim Gun-hee texted me four times saying I could apologize, didn't she chew it all? And this time, should Kim Gun-hee be prosecuted or not prosecuted? Why can't you go to the president and talk quietly? You can do it. But if you draw a line saying that you need to prosecute like that in advance, will the family problem be solved?

[Anchor]
Anyway, as representative Han Dong-hoon's remarks are getting stronger, the atmosphere is getting worse, so there are talks about whether he can have a private meeting. There seems to be a controversy over whether the solo meeting can be carried out well as it is. Let's hear about it.

[Anchor]
As the atmosphere becomes blustery, isn't the private meeting canceled? I think former chief Choi Jae-sung is looking at it like this.

[Choi Chang Ryul]
Anyway, it's a private chat room. Didn't President Yoon tell you this time when he asked for a private meeting several times? Speaking of that, it actually has the effect of halving the travel effect. It means that domestic politics is in crisis. The president has even accepted a private meeting outside. But what's the problem? He criticizes Chin-yoon anyway, but the Deutsche stock price manipulation scandal involving First Lady Kim Gun-hee, as well as various special prosecutors. Mrs. Kim Gun-hee has a lot of issues. The so-called Kim Gun-hee risk became natural. We need to talk about those things. If you don't mention it, you don't have to have a private conversation. You two will be able to meet and talk about various state affairs.Ma is not like that right now. Since it's a very political issue, I think that if there is no coordination on this part, the meeting itself may not take place.

[Anchor]
Anyway, I think we have to wait and see whether the private meeting will be finally held. I think the report card of the by-elections will be a variable. Let's connect and check the next keyword. Please show us. Can I describe it as frozen public sentiment? If you look at the contents of each poll company, there are many polls showing that President Yoon Suk Yeol's approval rating for state affairs is at its lowest level every day. Please show us.

NBS poll also hit a low. It continued to be in the 20% range, but it fell to 24%. If you look at the approval rating by region, there is something you need to pay attention to. It's the Seoul area. Seoul dropped to the 18 percent and 10 percent range. Compared to two weeks ago, it's down 9 percentage points. The approval rating in the Seoul area of 10% seems to be taken seriously by the presidential office, what do you think?

[Kim Jin]
It's important. Because it was Seocho and Gangnam votes in Seoul that elected President Yoon Suk Yeol at the last minute. President Yoon Suk Yeol is the one who lost to Lee Jae-myung by 5 percentage points in the game and won Seoul by 5 percentage points to become president. But even if you look at that data, your approval rating is lower in Seoul than in Gyeonggi Province. If so, it should be said that many of Seoul's core supporters who elected President Yoon Suk Yeol are turning their backs. It is seen as an expression of disappointment that President Yoon Suk Yeol has not been able to deal with the issue of First Lady Kim Gun-hee and such.

[Anchor]
If you look at the ranking by region, Seoul is second only to Honam.

[Choi Chang Ryul]
There are also many regions in Seoul. Nevertheless, Seoul is the capital of Korea, the so-called middle class, the middle class, and the metropolitan area. Because it's such a place, this is the barometer of public sentiment. We talked a lot about it because it's going to be worse than Gyeonggi-do.Ma said that people's perception that this is still the core of power, as well as the alleged manipulation of Deutsche's stock price, came out earlier, and it was introduced. If you have that perception, I think it's difficult to rebound in your approval rating.

I'm still out of touch with the current time and talking very far from the current situation. He doesn't want to see the meaning of the remark or why it came out, but he keeps looking into it with a regressive perspective and perception of the past. I wonder if that's why it's falling down like that. That's why the core of pro-Yoon or the president needs to change his perception. Otherwise, I think it will never be possible to rebound. We should recognize the seriousness of the situation like that, but why is CEO Han Dong-hoon instigating the rift in the ruling camp? Wouldn't it be difficult for me to turn public sentiment around? That's my personal opinion.

[Anchor]
If you talk about Busan as well as Seoul, the by-elections will be held in Geumjeong, Busan, and the public sentiment in Busan, which blocked constitutional amendment, is not unusual. It would be nice if you could show us the by-elections poll. There is an analysis that Busan is a region with strong remuneration, but it is close.

[Kim Jin]
Among the Busan area, Geumjeong-gu is home to Geumjeongsan, and traditionally, conservatives are strong. Kim Jin-jae's son was a member of the National Assembly. I've only been the head of the district once in the Democratic Party. And in the last general election, the power of the people was 56 percent and the Democratic Party was 43 percent. There was a 13 percentage point gap, but according to the poll just now, it was reduced to 3 percentage points. Therefore, there is a high possibility that national votes and such things have changed a lot in six months since the general election in April, and there have been changes in Busan. Then, it is very difficult to judge the election of the head of the district based on his past history alone. And especially since the opposition party unified the candidates, we have to watch that. If the head of Busan District Office is taken away, it is believed that the defeat of the Gangseo-gu District Office's election will be as damaging to representative Han Dong-hoon.

[Anchor]
It is impossible to predict this, but if the power of the people is defeated even though it is a strong conservative area, is it only the responsibility of representative Han Dong-hoon? I think it will be quite noisy over this issue.

[Choi Chang Ryul]
They'll fight again. With responsibility. If you win Ganghwa or Geumjeong, you won't have such a problem. But if you lose, I'm assuming that Han Dong-hoon will raise a lot of the representative responsibility. If the president's actions in state affairs and the criticism, reflection, and reflection on these things are given priority, it can rebound. Politics is a creature. But still, look, there is a high possibility that CEO Han will say that he lost because he openly talks about that and shoots directly. If that happens, the passport will be in the middle of a self-destruction column. The situation will take a different turn. a different new phase I think there is a high possibility that we will go to a completely new phase where it is difficult to talk about in a short time here.

[Anchor]
Finally, let me ask Kim Jin this. Anyway, I think there could be some controversy about the leadership of the party leader. Wouldn't it be correct that Yongsan also contains public sentiment to call for change after looking at the approval rating report card? Which part do you think Yongsan should change?

[Kim Jin]
The reason for making President Yoon Suk Yeol president was because he fought proudly against the power of President Moon Jae In, which was trying to crush him. So, it was that the people made the former prosecutor from Seoul National University's law school as the president, but the most important part is to shake greatly and disappoint the people. What is frustrating and sad for President Yoon Suk Yeol is that if he apologized to the public early in the year before the general election to solve the public's curiosity about the luxury bag incident and go head-on, about 20 more seats might have been won.

Then, will the eight votes of Kim Gun-hee's independent counsel law deviate or not? You don't have to worry about this. I think President Yoon Suk Yeol made a big mistake. I showed the public my lack of confidence. Even now, since I'm my wife, I have to dispel the image of protecting her and telling the people everything head on. If you are not prosecuted in the Deutsche Motors case, why did you not prosecute this? I think the only way is for the prosecution to reveal this and for the president to talk.

[Anchor]
If the by-elections report card comes out five days later, I think it will be a mess again. So far, Kim Jin, former editor of the JoongAng Ilbo, and Choi Chang-ryul, a special professor at Yongin University. Thank you.

Request for investigation of
: International newspaper
Research Institute: Korea Social Opinion Research Institute (KSOI)
Survey period: October 1st~2nd
Subject to the survey: 505 men and women aged 18 or older living in Geumjeong-gu
Investigation method: ARS investigation (100% wireless)
Sampling error: ±4.4%p
at 95% confidence levelFor more information, refer to the website of the Central Election Public Opinion Review Committee