[News NIGHT] Even on the 4th day of the National Assembly inspection, the 'Myeongtae Kyun's remarks' continues to have repercussions.

■ Host: Anchor Sung Moon-gyu
■ Starring: Song Young-hoon, spokesman for the People's Power, Sung Chi-hoon, vice chairman of the Minjoo Party's Policy Committee

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[Anchor]
It's a focus night time to point out the news of political interest. Today, we will be joined by Song Young-hoon, spokesman for the People's Power, and Sung Chi-hoon, vice chairman of the Democratic Party's Policy Committee. Welcome, two of you. The parliamentary audit was the fourth day. The battle between the ruling and opposition parties is getting fiercer. The ruling party protested, saying the opposition party was overstepping its authority to accompany, while the opposition party is raising the level of its offensive against First Lady Kim Gun-hee. I'll listen to it myself.

[Choo Kyung-ho / Floor Leader of People's Power: ★The runaway opposition party with a large number of powers★ is endless. State audit ★ Even adoption of witnesses is being pushed forward with one-sided ★. In the case of the Judiciary Committee, ★99 witnesses adopted by the opposition party ★, but only one witness ★ applied by the ★ ruling party was voted on. The plan is to call out only witnesses who like the big opposition party ★ to turn the inspection into ★ a venue for political instigation ★. The large opposition party is abusing the parliamentary inspection as ★ build-up for the impeachment of the president and overusing ★ the right to order accompanying him as he is engrossed in shows for political strife. ]

[Park Chan-dae / Floor Leader of the Democratic Party of Korea: Part of the parliamentary audit ★ Witnesses are not present without justifiable reasons ★ or even missing voluntarily or unintentionally, which is blatantly interfering with the parliamentary audit ★. Until yesterday, five of the eight people who issued the accompanying order were witnesses related to the suspicion of Kim Gun-hee, ★ The disregard of the National Assembly by the witnesses related to Kim Gun-hee is serious ★. The only thing that seems to be the most powerful person in the regime ★ First Lady Kim Gun-hee's bulletproof purpose ★. We may avoid attending the National Assembly for a while, but we cannot avoid the investigation of the ★ special prosecutor. ★ Please attend the National Assembly in good faith without thinking about being investigated by the special prosecutor later. ]

[Anchor]
We've heard about the floor leaders of the ruling and opposition parties. First of all, the ruling party is unilaterally pushing for the opposition party to adopt witnesses that it likes. He strongly protested, saying that he would abuse the right to order
to accompany him, but now that he talks about it, the Judiciary Committee has 99 witnesses adopted by the opposition party and one by the ruling party. If you look at the numbers alone, there's a big difference.

[Song Young Hoon]
That's right. There's a very extreme 99:1 difference. Wasn't the transcript of Lee Hwa-young, the former vice governor of peace in Gyeonggi Province, talking with his lawyer at the recent impeachment hearing of the prosecutor at the National Assembly Judiciary Committee? The transcript is making a big impact, and if you look at it, the so-called not guilty trial lobby appears. And there were talks about the Supreme Court and the second trial, so it's something that's very exciting. However, former Supreme Court Justice Kwon Soon-il is among the list that the People's Power demanded to adopt witnesses from the Judiciary Committee. The Democratic Party has never adopted that part. In the case of the Science, Technology, Broadcasting and Communications Commission, 45 witnesses have been requested from the power of the people, but not a single one has been adopted. Among those who have not attended while adopting witnesses in such a biased manner, only those related to certain issues are issuing accompanying orders. In the four years of the 21st National Assembly, five accompanying orders were issued. I would like to inform you that eight people have already exceeded the cases of the past four years of the 21st National Assembly in this year's parliamentary inspection.

[Anchor]
You just said that you're adopting a biased witness.

[Sung Chi Hoon]
You can see it that way just by looking at the numbers, but if you look at why this happened, don't witnesses go through the process of agreement between the ruling and opposition parties and playing tug-of-war and excluding those who will be excluded? However, there was no agreement because the ruling party, especially, opposed the witnesses related to Kim Gun-hee to the end. In the end, in the process of passing the final bill, the ruling party left the office and passed it with only the opposition party involved, so the ruling party's voice was not reflected much, which is why the opposition party seems to have virtually given up on putting in even a few of its own witnesses to prevent anything related to Kim Gun-hee from appearing until the end, and in the case of the right to order to accompany them. As you said, the National Assembly has never issued so many companion orders. However, witnesses related to Kim Gun-hee are especially ignoring the National Assembly. In particular, in the case of Myung Tae-kyun, it is the people's order to interview a media company and say, "I go fishing in Geoje Island," and just ignore the orders of the National Assembly. I'm saying that I issued a companion order because I showed the behavior of ignoring those things.

[Song Young Hoon]
Let me tell you one thing. The National Assembly recently issued an accompanying order for prosecutor Kim Young-chul. Who is this person? He was the prosecutor who investigated the allegations of money envelopes at the Democratic National Convention. The prosecutor issued an accompanying order because there was no parliamentary inspection, but the Democratic Party lawmakers have not been investigated for more than eight months, although six incumbent lawmakers are now required to be investigated for the convention's money envelope case. No matter how much the prosecution asks me to come out, I don't attend now with the immunity of arrest as a shield. Then, is it reasonable for the lawmakers to intimidate the prosecutor who investigated the case while using the immunity of non-retirement rights by issuing an accompanying order that the prosecutor who investigated the case will not appear in the National Assembly? I say this is an abuse of the system.

[Anchor]
Let's continue with the story. Then let's see what happened to the Judiciary Committee today. It was a parliamentary audit of the Constitutional Court. Let's take a look at how the ruling and opposition parties clashed over the suspicion of First Lady Kim Gun-hee.

[Seo Young-kyo / Democratic Party member: ★ These days, the person who is more than Choi Seo-won is Myung Tae-kyun ★ He says this. Kim Gun-hee's private interests are intervening, and state affairs are being manipulated. It is a warning that ★ President Yoon Suk Yeol's case could come to the Constitutional Court. ★ ]

[Cho Bae-sook / People's Power: The Democratic Party of Korea continues to push the reason for impeachment of former President Park Geun-hye to ★ that President Yoon Suk Yeol has a similar reason for impeachment, but I think ★ the people will judge ★. ]

[Kim Yong-min / Democratic Party member: I will investigate the president and the president's family in exercising the president's veto power, and ★ Isn't it beyond the constitutional relationship to exercise the president's veto power on the issue of investigating the president's family?] ]

[Yoo Sang-beom / People's Power: The president said it was unconstitutional, so I vetoed it once. Then, the ★ added another unconstitutionality to the unconstitutionality, and the president unilaterally proposed a bill from the Democratic Party of Korea and sent it to the president again. And then ★ accuse the president of abusing his veto. ★ ]

[Anchor]
You've seen Kim Gun-hee's various suspicions collide over whether it is the reason for President Yoon's impeachment. The opposition parties raised suspicions of manipulating state affairs, including Choi Soon-sil and Choi Seo-won. A name that I haven't heard in a long time has also appeared. So he even summoned the case of former President Park Geun Hye's impeachment.

[Sung Chi Hoon]
That's right. It has a similar sense of deja vu. Because when Choi Soon-sil was mentioned at first, she made an official apology right after the tablet PC case came out, saying, "It's just a suspicion, there's no truth." Then, she made an apology by reducing that she only received some help from the speech. However, on that very day, something additionally intervened in the selection process of the agency related to the inauguration ceremony, and something additionally intervened in personnel affairs, leading to impeachment, right? The same goes for the government of Yoon Suk Yeol now. Myung Tae-kyun, CEO of Black Pearl Investment Lee Jong-ho, and former administrator Kim Dae-nam, who are related to Kim Gun-hee, are all charlatans and liars, but related suspicions are emerging. That's why I'm telling the people that it's necessary to clarify these suspicions and show them to the public.

[Anchor]
But looking at it today, the opposition party is talking about impeachment without hesitation. Was CEO Lee Jae-myung at the Ganghwa campaign a while ago? You have to pull it down then. After saying that, I've never said impeachment, I've been saying that.

[Sung Chi Hoon]
What we are talking about now is that in the election process, early voting for the by-elections is taking place, right? In order to highlight the theory of regime judgment there, can't it be dragged down when the worker, the basic principle of representative democracy, does not do well? It's to make the message of judgment clearer. As I said earlier, suspicions related to Kim Gun-hee are going beyond the suspicion, so if it turns out to be true, we are gradually dealing with the question of whether we can even go to impeachment.

[Song Young Hoon]
Can I also tell you what I said? We should say we're similar with something similar. In the case of Choi Soon-sil, in the past, some kind of K-Sports foundation and Mir foundation were actually created. However, Myung Tae-kyun is convicted of three previous crimes, including violating the Fraud Lawyers Act. You don't have to believe all that at face value, and you're suspected of taking half of lawmaker Kim Young-sun's parliamentary salary. However, Lee Joon-seok, the threat of the New Reform Party, recently received his first month's salary and certified it. He said he'll receive about 9.92 million won after tax. Then, what kind of non-presidential tax is that kind of non-presidential tax that gets 5 million won a month from a lawmaker? And he recommended the prime minister, but he didn't become the prime minister. It's your argument. In addition, lawmaker Kim Young-sun did not win the nomination in the 22nd National Assembly general election. There's nothing in the world. So, the difference is huge in nature, and I'm arguing that it's similar only with the suspicions that some opposition parties are raising.

[Anchor]
In the case of the prime minister now, it didn't work. As I will say later, he also influenced the governors in various local elections. That's what came out today, too. I'll talk to you later. When I saw it at the National Assembly today, there was also this talk. There was a question assuming that the incumbent president was tried, but the secretary-general of the Constitutional Court said it was due to the effect of the law. But the incumbent president is not talking about President Yoon, is he? [Song Young-hoon] It's a question assuming that representative Lee Jae-myung becomes a presidential candidate in the future. Article 84 of the Constitution states that the president is not subject to criminal prosecution while in office, but does this mean only prosecution? So it doesn't include the trials that are already underway. There is some disagreement about this. It's a question on that part, and at the end of the day, the core of this issue is that a candidate with judicial risks that could spark such a national controversy should not become a presidential candidate without some sort of resolution, confusing the country. I think that's the key.

[Sung Chi Hoon]
From the opposition party's point of view, the secretary-general talked in principle. In fact, there was a lot of debate in academia about Article 84 of the Constitution at the time. Several scholars who interpret this differently have discussed this, but I need to avoid actions that could be seen as putting pressure on something by mentioning the interpretation of Article 84 in the political world. In particular, representative Han Dong-hoon is actively expressing his opinion on Article 84, and I would like to say that it is necessary to refrain from it because the representative of the ruling party may be seen as pressuring how the judiciary will interpret it.

[Anchor]
So, under Article 84 of the Constitution, whether the criminal trial already underway applies to the incumbent president. So, does the trial, which began before becoming president, apply even during the president's term? That's the point now, the interpretation of Article 84 of the Constitution. So, it came out in the National Assembly today, so the secretary general quoted it again on social media because CEO Han Dong-hoon said it was consistent with his intention. That's how the story unfolded.

[Song Young Hoon]
So if the trial is not suspended, isn't CEO Lee Jae-myung already facing four trials? Assuming that he becomes the president in that situation, the trial is not suspended and the conviction is confirmed by the Supreme Court. The conclusion of the Constitutional Court's response today is that if that happens, you will lose your presidency. Then the conclusion of what to do to avoid such a national turmoil is also clear.

[Anchor]
Let's talk about Myung Taekyun again. The ruling party is quite disturbed by the controversy over Myung Tae-kyun's friendship. There was a workshop on social media today. among the members of the ruling party When Na Kyung-won claimed that there was an influence of Myung Tae-kyun in the 2021 representative election and the Seoul mayoral primary, Rep. Lee Joon-seok and Seoul Mayor Oh Se-hoon refuted. If you look at the screen, Na Kyung-won said this. When Lee Joon-seok and Seoul Mayor Oh Se-hoon were in the race, there were a series of unexpected events. I've been damaged every time. That's what I said. This is the initial symptom that Rep. Lee Joon-seok becomes a person who claims fraudulent elections and a fraudulent electionist. If there's even one fabricated investigation, take a picture of it. I don't think so. That's what I said. Can you pass me another page? Then, didn't Na Kyung-won talk about the poll with Myung Tae-kyun in advance? Then what is the red plum planted at dawn? The red plum flower symbolically refers to the one that Lee Joon-seok and Myung Tae-kyun met at Chilbulsa Temple before the last general election. Rep. Lee Jun-seok talks again. Be specific about what you talked about when you met Myung Tae-kyun. Didn't you lie that you never met him and correct him? We didn't meet and talk about it several times today, but we exchanged it through SNS. How do you see these situations?

[Song Young Hoon]
First of all, isn't Myung Tae-kyun a poll technician? I think that's why I was able to contact various politicians. Then, in fact, the phenomenon in which politicians can get close to such poll technicians should be considered old politics. It is necessary to break with these things firmly. Then, from that extension, I think Na Kyung-won may raise questions about the past national convention process. In what sense, Lee Joon-seok was not a strong candidate at first when he indicated his intention to run for the national convention at the time. At the time, the candidate who was trying to build on the new Conservative side was Rep. Kim Woong. a so-called first-term party leader However, when candidate Lee Joon-seok announced his candidacy, he did not think there was a possibility of winning the election at first, but on May 9, there will be a poll commissioned by Myung Tae-kyun's Future Korea Research Institute. Suddenly, Na Kyung-won and Lee Joon-seok came out within the margin of error, and Lee Joon-seok came out in second place. That's why Lee Joon-seok's syndrome has begun. The poll is May 9, 2021. So this poll became the epicenter, but there's a similar case in our politics. In 2002, the so-called Gwangju primary was held during the New Millennium Democratic Party's presidential election on March 16. At that time, candidate Roh Moo Hyun won first place and is considered the epicenter of the so-called old wind, and a poll commissioned by SBS and the Munhwa Ilbo three days before that shows that candidate Roh Moo Hyun is ahead of candidate Lee In-je within the margin of error. So at the time, Nosamo promoted the results of the poll very loudly, and it influenced candidate Roh Moo Hyun to win the first place in the Gwangju race. Because of these cases, was the process of Lee Joon-seok's election irrelevant to the poll conducted by Myung Tae-kyun? Rep. Na Kyung-won is asking this, and Rep. Lee Joon-seok should answer this as a responsible politician. That's what I think.

[Anchor]
Rep. Na Kyung-won continued to raise suspicions about the party leadership election and the Seoul mayoral primary process, but Mayor Oh Se-hoon also said that. If you show him a little bit, he did it according to the procedures set by the party constitution, decided on the method of the poll, and said, "I feel embarrassed and miserable about this self-deprecating." How do the opposition view this?

[Sung Chi Hun]
Why aren't we accusing Rep. Na Kyung-won and Myung Tae-kyun in the power of the people? Now, Myung Tae-gyun is the three biggest elections for the people. Aren't people continuing to tell false facts about their influence in the presidential race, the party's national convention, and the Seoul mayoral race? If so, shouldn't Myung Tae-kyun, who is making remarks that hurt the credibility of the people's power, file a complaint again? Isn't it not the time for Na Kyung-won to post SNS in such a leisurely manner, but to step up and lead some accusations? Nevertheless, they are only throwing political messages like that. This is actually the case when it is revealed about the phone call transcript or Telegram that Myung Tae-kyun will have. If you file a complaint, wouldn't all of those things be revealed? It's not a fear of things like that. Because in the power of the people, Myung Tae-kyun is just a fraud with three previous convictions. He claims that he is only a strong man, but he is effectively not touching Myung Tae-kyun because it will be a huge blow if he, the president, and his wife are found to have contacted him a lot and discussed the election. You can see it like this. That is why I would like to say that it seems very leisurely for Senator Na Kyung-won to say that.

[Anchor]
So whenever Myung Tae Gyun continues to talk through the media, what else happened today is that he's in conflict with the mayor of Hong Joon Pyo through social media. There are 560,000 party members, and I told him to ask Mayor Hong Joon Pyo about the leak, and he said, "We can't let this lie go because Governor Hong Joon Pyo talked about it as if he had leaked it from the presidential campaign." It's too much to talk about each and every one of these things. In any case, the entire political community, especially the ruling camp, is shaken by each of Myung's remarks. What should I do with this?

[Song Young Hoon]
However, there is no specific evidence to support his words on Myung Tae-kyun's claim. In such a situation, politicians respond one by one, and in a way, there is an aspect that is gradually moving away from the essence of the issue. In fact, there are two nature of cases related to Myung Tae-kyun. One is a violation of the Political Fund Act related to Rep. Kim Young-sun, who is currently under investigation, and the other is whether there was any wrong intervention in the nomination process from outside in the 22nd general election. Those are the two. However, lawmaker Kim Young-sun was cut off in the 22nd general election. Then, I think there is a problem with responding one by one while being swayed by each of the claims of Myung Tae-kyun. However, if allegations are raised that there has been inappropriate intervention in any past primary process, the politicians involved need to explain them honestly. However, there is another difference between honestly explaining to the people and mixing the essence and the side branches to mislead them. I also say that.

[Anchor]
So, there may be a battle of truth between Myung Tae-kyun and politicians, but I kept asking because I haven't seen politicians fighting against each other in recent years. Let's talk about the next one. Isn't CEO Han Dong-hoon sending out intense messages to Mrs. Kim Gun-hee every day recently? That's why there's a lot of controversy in the political world. Let's listen to related remarks.

[Kang Seung-gyu / People's Power Member: I don't know what part of First Lady Kim Gun-hee is doing as the first lady of the president ★ continues to be a victim to the devil's frame ★ I don't know what she did so wrong ★ Well, it was the sacrifice of a political maneuver. ★People's hearts are worried about the first lady of the president being demonized ★, and I don't think so because the first lady of the president seems to deteriorate public sentiment. ]

[Kim Jae-won / Supreme Council Member of People's Power] I think that's a little different when the prosecution asks the people to come to a conclusion that they understand. This kind of approach could end up as ★ the beginning of the conservative divide if it continues, and then it could end up touching this ★ the most painful wound of the conservative divide that we've had in the past.. ]

[Kim Min-seok / Supreme Council Member of the Democratic Party of Korea: Since Han Dong-hoon himself is an accomplice ★ who has crushed the Deutsche investigation, would a prosecutor be an angel? He discusses Kim's self-restraint and even raises the prosecution's indictment of Kim with his aides, but in the end, it is clear that he will turn over only Byunjuk★ as if he went as he did during the independent counsel of the third-party Marine Corps ★. This time again, it will be ★ 'Kan Dong-hoon'. ★]

[Anchor]
So recently, CEO Han Dong-hoon's remarks about Mrs. Kim have continued to rise. So the last story was that the prosecution should come up with convincing results regarding the alleged manipulation of Deutsche Motors' stock price. This was the most recent comment. Chin Yun-gye has made an open counter-argument, and what do you think? At the end, Rep. Kim Jae-won said that it will be the beginning of the conservative division, what do you think?

[Song Young Hoon]
I don't think there is a need for some people to react too sensitively or interpret the remarks that CEO Han Dong-hoon should produce convincing results. You didn't say the purpose of making a crime without the justice minister of a country, did you? However, the Deutsche Motors case has changed the premise of court judgment in the past and now. Among about 90 Jeonju, Son was indicted together and acquitted in the first trial. But at the time, he was charged with a joint offense. However, at the appeal trial, the indictment was changed to an assistant and convicted as an assistant. Of course, we'll have to wait and see because the Supreme Court ruling remains.Ma has been investigating for a long time when that premise has changed, so then the records and data must have been sufficiently accumulated, and when the evidence is now judged based solely on legal principles and the prosecution has not taken any other external considerations into account. If I draw that conclusion, I think the people can understand it. In other words, if the prosecution does not consider other external factors, I think the conclusion will be consistent with the results that the people will understand. I think it's strange to interpret it as if it were to make a crime and give it to me.

[Anchor]
In fact, in a way, the fact that representative Han Dong-hoon said that the prosecution should draw a conclusion that the public can understand is a statement that the opposition party can support, but why did he say it was Gan Dong-hoon?

[Sung Chi Hoon]
When Han Dong-hoon, the representative of the convention, came out, he said he would pass it regardless of the results of the investigation by the special prosecutor's office, but he couldn't keep his promise, so it could be seen as a pressure. To be honest, what Kang Seung-gyu said earlier came as a shock. I don't think you're reading the public sentiment at all. What did First Lady Kim Gun-hee do so wrong? What concerns the people is demonizing Kim Gun-hee. You have this level of ability to grasp public sentiment. He was the senior presidential secretary for civil society before he was elected in the general election. Therefore, it seems that the presidential office is not at all at the level of reading the public sentiment of the senior presidential secretary for civil society. That's why I think CEO Han Dong-hoon reads the public sentiment to some extent. That's why I think he mentioned it because if he fails to shake off the risk of Mrs. Kim Gun-hee this time, if he is not prosecuted for the alleged manipulation of Deutsche Motors' stock price, public sentiment will probably be on fire.

[Anchor]
Lastly, let's talk about by-elections. We have five days left. And early voting began today. It can be said that the vote has begun. I looked at the turnout today and it came out pretty low. The overall turnout was 3.55%, but there are places that are quite high, noticeably. Jeollanam-do's glory and Gokseong exceeded 24%. Let's listen to them briefly. Except for the superintendent of the Seoul Metropolitan Office of Education, which will be held in all four places this time. What do you think?

[Sung Chi Hoon]
In the case of Yeonggwang, the progressive party candidate is making strides, so we don't know how it will turn out, but the turnout is quite high. Therefore, it is true that if the turnout is low, the Democratic Party is advantageous, but if the final turnout is high, the Democratic Party cannot be relieved. In fact, in other regions. I think the turnout in Geumjeong-gu should be higher in favor of the Democratic Party. Because the organization of the power of the people is strong in Busan, if the turnout does not exceed a certain level, there will be no wind, and then it will be difficult to produce such favorable results for the Democratic Party. Finally, the superintendent of education was excluded, but the low turnout of the superintendent of education is very serious. It seems that there are many areas where Seoul citizens are not aware of the by-elections of the superintendent of education. So, I would like to say that the NEC should make efforts to increase the representativeness of the Seoul Metropolitan Office of Education through more publicity.

[Song Young Hoon]
In the case of glory, turnout is very high right now, which is not a good sign for the Democratic Party. Because when the turnout rises like that, the turnout is high when you want to change the status quo. In other words, Yeonggwang is considered a traditional strong region of the Democratic Party, and isn't there a three-way race with Cho Kuk, the candidate of the Innovation Party, and the candidate of the Progressive Party? Then there is a high possibility that voters who say they do not want the Democratic Party to take the position of county governor again in that area will actively vote. That's what I think. Then, in the case of Busan Geumjeong, we have to look at the turnout on the second day of early voting tomorrow. Because an important variable appeared today. Rep. Kim Young-bae of the Democratic Party made inappropriate remarks regarding the late Kim Je-yoon, former head of Geumjeong-gu. Because he made such remarks as if the people's power provided the cause of the by-election, but in fact, he died of a cerebral hemorrhage while serving as the head of Geumjeong-gu. Then he died while working.

[Anchor]
And then I apologized.

[Song Young Hoon]
That's right. I apologized, but I think we need to see how this affects tomorrow's vote because it is a remark that many Geumjeong residents are now surprised to accept.

[Anchor]
I think we should look at the two places carefully because the two of you are talking about the head of Geumjeong-gu and Yeonggwang-gun.
With Song Young-hoon, spokesman for People's Power, and Sung Chi-hoon, vice chairman of the Democratic Party's Policy Committee. Thank you both.