"K-Conan Doyle"... The debut work introduced by profiler Chang Sangwon.

[News FM Lee Ik-seon Choi Soo-young Issue & People]
□ Broadcast Date: 14th October 2024 (Mon)
□ Host: Lee Ik-seon, Choi Soo-young
□ Contributor: Director of the Criminal Science Research Institute, Chang Sang-won

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◇ Lee Ik-sun: Would you like to have a cup of coffee or tea after lunch? Issue & People's small drawing room Salonde Sangam. Today, we are joined by Cho Sang-won, director of the Crime Science Research Institute, who turned into a mystery novel writer. Please come in.

☆ Citation: Yes, hello.

◇ Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. From the director of the Crime Science Institute to the former police profiler, a professor and broadcaster, and DJ, a former current affairs program for lawmakers. Now, a novelist has been added. Which name do you like the most?

☆ Pyo Chang-won: Do you like the novelist the most?

◇ Interest line: I see.

☆ Citation: Yes. It's like an upgrade similar to Han Kang.

◈ Choi Soo-young: He's on the bandwagon and he's so witty.

◇ Profitship: Yes. Does your face look much better than when you were a lawmaker?

☆ Citation: It feels like I've regained the calmness of my daily life. It sounds good.

◇ Lee Ik-seon: Does that mean that there was no calm during his time in Parliament?

☆ Citation: There wasn't. It was a life that was always in the middle of some kind of battle, war, or confusion and some kind of conflict.

◈ Choi Soo-young: It's very fierce to say that Pyo was in the middle of a war even though he didn't seem to fall into the camp's logic when he was serving as a lawmaker.

☆ Yu Sang-won: I tried my best, but I think I couldn't help but miss it. At the same time, the internal conflict was very severe because it was very different from the trajectory of life.

◇ Lee Ik-seon: Do you have any plans to do it again?

☆ Citation: No.

◈ Choi Soo-young: You're very firm.

◇ Proficiency line: Very firmly.

☆ Yu Sang-won: I wake up suddenly even in my sleep.

◈ Choi Soo-young: I've read a little bit. The title is "The Castrato Subtitle." So I was a bit interesting. I thought the title itself was very stimulating, but it was a bit detailed. Did you put the title on it yourself?

☆ Citation: I put it on myself and there was no proper title other than that, and no other title in my mind. As Castrato knows, it's a tragedy of human history in medieval Europe where the Catholic Church was not allowed to put women on the opera stage or on the vocal stage, so we needed a male singer who could play a female soprano, and so, very inhumanely, castrated a young man who didn't have a voice to maintain that high pitch. It's barbaric.

◈ CHOI SOOUNG: Yes, that's right.

☆ Citation: I'm sure there are quite a few people who remember the movie Farinelli.

◇ Lee Ik-sun: I'm already curious about the title of this book and just hearing it up to here. Is there any event or person that became the motif?

☆ Citation: It's not one or two. The motif is the numerous sex crimes I've encountered in my career as a police officer or as a profiler, as well as the images of sex offenders or their victims who have had to suffer more because they were not punished properly. More than any particular incident. .

◈ Choi Soo-young: I think it would be good for the writer to explain a little bit of the beginning.

☆ Citation: As the title suggests, there are people in Korea who actually introduced themselves as Korean castrato. I guess it was to promote the high range among the singers. So now the first stage is a performance by a fictional singer named Lee Kyung-do, a Korean castrato, at the Sejong Center for the Performing Arts. At the end of the performance, when you are soaked in the audience's emotions, you can hear a scream that rips the air. That's when a male body part is found in the women's bathroom. That's how it starts.

◈ Choi Soo-young: But I think the main character is... I'm a hired profiler, so to speak. I thought that our writer's experience would have been projected.

◇ Lee Ik-seon: I don't think it's going to be a little bit. Almost?

☆ Citation: The main character actually has a little bit of me in it, but not a lot.

◈ Choi Soo-young: There was a little bit of an unfortunate past.

☆ Citation: There is. That's right. There's a very unfortunate past. He has not received any benefits from our society. However, I don't want any achievements or success in my career as much as others do with my own efforts. I just wanted to reveal the truth that I was doing, so I thought that the person named Lee Mack represents a lot of young people in our society who have not benefited from the strength, financial power, or influence of countless such parents. Such young people continue to do their part, and those who are not daunted by any temptation or pressure of injustice support our society. I wanted to give you this message, so I conceived a character named Lee Mack. In fact, I was born with a black spoon, but since I entered the police university, I have actually received a lot of benefits from society. So I can't be a double whammy.

◈ Choi Soo-young: This person didn't graduate from Kyungdae, but he was in the military and came in as a special house, right?

☆ Citation: Yes, that's right.

◈ Am I giving too much spoilers?

☆ Citation: Yes, that's it.

◇ Lee Ik-seon: I think there must have been a reaction from readers. How did you react?

☆ Yu Sang-won: First of all, I would like to thank you for the responses you gave me directly because there are many good things to cheer and encourage this new writer. I looked for the things I checked and saw some of the things you wrote without thinking that I would read them. I've referenced a lot of honest and critical opinions. Among them, since it was my first start as a writer, I was very grateful for the criticism that I was not good at such a flexible style and expression of urgency, and there were comments that the profiling process and investigation process could be reduced a little too much.

◇ Lee Ik-seon: How many pages is this?

☆ Citation: It's about 421 pages long. Originally, it was almost twice that amount.

◇ Lee Ik-seon: Did you reduce that?

☆ Citation: At the request of the editor.

◇ Lee Ik-seon: That must have been hard. You're losing my weight.

☆ Citation: That's right. People often use that expression. It feels like you're getting cut off on your limbs. I know what that is now.

◈ Choi Soo-young: How hard would it be to lose weight when there's nothing to lose?

☆ Citation: I know.

◇ Lee Ik-seon: In fact, someone who has already formed a family in one field challenges another genre. This is a very difficult and bold challenge. I don't think I could have done it if I didn't have this energy and talent. You've always been good at writing, right? When I look back on my school days?

☆ Yu Sang-won: I used it a lot, liked it, and received a lot of reviews that I was good at writing it, and I really liked Korean subjects.

◇ If you didn't become a profiler, would you have gone the way of the writer?

☆ Citation: Maybe so. But I didn't get the opportunity to go there, so I was a liberal arts student when I chose college anyway. I had a chance in high school, but anyway, you do that aptitude test for me. Then, when the recommended departments come out, they are mostly recommendations from the social science department, but there are not many recommendations from the humanities department. So, even if I didn't go to police college, it ended up like this at that time, but it was my senior year in high school when I was recommended to major in political science, social science, newspaper and broadcasting, and the teacher recommended me to go there.

◈ Choi Soo-young: Actually, the position of a profiler reads fine emotional lines, captures them in a very moment, and takes them as clues. Basically, I think that the artist's ability is inevitable because if he can express the fine psychological structure well in writing, he has great materials and experiences, but I think Pyo is a little combined.

☆ Citation: Thank you. And from what I've experienced, I think not only profilers, but all occupational fields are similar. Again, in an interview with Han Kang, I was able to understand that novels do not necessarily have to be written through professional training or apprenticeship training, but it is a field that anyone can use if they want to write. As you said in our profession, in fact, it's a job where you have to look into people and look into people's lives after experiencing a lot of emotions and conflicts, so it's an environment where you can have a much more desire to use a subject or use it. However, looking back, I think there are stories in which no job can solve all the stories that they want to tell others there through their jobs. So I hope a lot of people try it like me.

◈ Choi Soo-young: That's right. One of the things I heard was that the poet is not writing poetry, but the person who writes poetry is the poet.

☆ Yu Sang-won: Yes, it's touching!

◇ Lee Ik-seon: We're talking about the castrato with a new novelist. Today, we have a special guest, Chang Sang-won, who became a Salon de Sangam and transformed into a novelist. It's a castrato castrated person. No. When did this book come out?

☆ Citation: September 15th this year.

◇ Lee Ik-seon: It's very warm.

◇ Lee Ik-seon: But what do you mean by writing a follow-up?

☆ Citation: I didn't write it all. I'm using it.

◇ What kind of work is it?

☆ Official Commendation Award: The title and composition are all set. Due to the nature of the genre, it is a little difficult to reveal. In the same context, different types of events occur in the same context. The main character named Lee Mack comes out as it is, and important characters almost come out again. An abnormal crime analysis team from the National Police Agency's special investigation team called Acat also comes out as it is.

◇ Lee Ik-seon: I see. But in fact, artists say that in order to write good works, they go to jobs or places that appear in the work, and live and experience it. It was advantageous in that regard, right?

☆ Citation: That's very advantageous. However, other professionals have no choice but to appear now, but I study a lot indirectly. I can't buy it myself.

◇ Lee Ik-seon: Do you have an interview?

☆ Citation: For example, now the company's management is coming out. There are other types of criminals that I haven't met. There's also a priest. Then, I haven't experienced their lives, so I'm learning using indirect literature.

◈ Choi Soo-young: 0654 is the name of the main character named Lee Mack, and it's very unique. Someone just asked, "How did you name it?"

☆ Citation: That's a very sharp question. It's also at the heart of the novel. One is a person who existed in the middle of the Joseon Dynasty. During Yeonsan-gun, we were recruiting a lot of staff and then we went back to our country. .

◈ Choi Soo-young: Was it a private institute?

☆ Citation: No. He was a scholar with such a loyal sense of justice and courage that he was working in another government post. .

◈ Choi Soo-young: Are you a real person?

☆ Yu Sang-won: Yes, I'm a real person. So I wanted to symbolize one of our scholarship spirit, and the other is Lee Mack's twin brothers, whose name is San. So when you combine the two, it becomes a mountain range. There's another secret about the name that's going to come all the way to the next installment of the series later on, which is now hidden.

◈ Choi Soo-young: That's why it's connected to the so-called diachronic and diachronic.

◇ Lee Ik-seon: He used the expression "next episode" here for a moment. How many flights are you planning to release?

☆ Citation: In fact, what number does Sherlock Holmes end with? So, in the early works, the case comes out so that readers can fully understand what kind of person Lee Mack is, how he got here, and what kind of capabilities he has, but rather than an incident, a story centered on such a person comes out. So, after the third episode is over, you can explain your personal connections enough, even if you don't explain them.

◈ Choi Soo-young: You already have a character.

☆ Citation: That's right. After that, a full-fledged case-oriented mystery novel will come out.

◈ Choi Soo-young: Lee San is the original real name of Jeongjo, did you take that into account?

☆ Yu Sang-won: Actually, that's just a little bit. Lee San is actually not that much more important than Lee Mac.

◇ Interest line: That's very interesting. I have no choice but to watch the first movie because I am curious about what will come out in the future. But actually, I invited you as a writer today, but as a person of the people, I have to ask you about the recent violent crimes. The case of Park Dae-sung who killed the girl who was innocent and blind. How did you see this case?

☆ Citation: It was an incident that should never have happened. And Park Dae-sung himself blamed alcohol because he had nothing to say, but it's not alcohol at all. If you look at the situation and the environment he's been living in, he's very irresponsible. Still, I set up a store and didn't work properly and faithfully, so I didn't blame myself and blamed others because the results were bad, but I couldn't stand the wife and ended up doing something wrong, but not everyone in that situation does that.

◇ Interest line: Of course.

☆ Yu Sang-won: So the biggest problem is that we call these crimes an ideal motive crime and that a human named Park Dae-sung has developed his personality in the wrong direction in his life. I think the people around me, who were aware of the problem of Park Dae-sung but neglected, share some responsibility.

◇ Lee Ik-seon: He is drunk. And you talk as if you're dependent on alcohol, but you can't avoid that you meant to hurt someone because you already had a weapon when you left the store.

☆ Citation: It's clear. And after that, even after the crime, I had a quarrel with another person, and in the meantime, the conversation came and went. So the person who reported the other person is not that drunk. Park Dae-sung's claim of intoxication is not convincing at all because he is now testifying that he clearly expressed his intention.

◇ Lee Ik-seon: Another cautious question here is actually not a pre-prepared one. I think it came out more because of Park Dae-sung, but the death penalty with only this pattern is sentenced, but it is not executed. I heard that Korea is actually a country that abolishes the death penalty. What do you think?

☆ Citation: First of all, you have to choose between the two. One is to abolish the death penalty and adopt a life sentence without parole if it is impossible to do one as is under our law, but now I am sorry to say this, but I am a little cowardly. It's neither me nor me, but after the death sentence, it's a de facto dereliction of duty that's far beyond the execution period in our criminal law. As a result, people waiting for use, called death row inmates, are also in an ambiguous position. There is a problem with the labor, and now there is a problem with the relationship with other devices.

◇ Lee Ik-seon: Don't you work?

☆ Yu Sang-won: I didn't do it before, but since the problem is blowing so much, it has been revised to do it now. The bigger problem is that there are some difficulties for prison guards to manage and deal with these people. I'm on death row, but I have this attitude. Other people are hanging grades and working hard, so parole is a motivation for those who have that kind of motivation, and all the rules to follow are in place. The death row is a person who will be executed anyway, so there are not that tight rules of conduct in place. So prison guards are also having a hard time, and this is a problem that needs to be improved.

◈ Choi Soo-young: Speaking of which, let me ask you one more question. I think we need to ask you about dating murder and social violence, but Kim Leah, who murdered her ex-girlfriend, is sorry for her dog in court. I got angry for saying this, but what is the mental world of this person?

☆ Citation: The Gijonism has shown a similar appearance in the past. You may remember 1994.

◈ Choi Soo-young: Oh, I didn't know.

☆ Yu Sang-won: It's a shame that he raised his face shamelessly in front of a camera that was broadcast live around the world and couldn't kill him anymore. Kim Leah's attitude right now is kind of bluffing. I'm strong. Things like this. But I'm pretty sure that you'll probably realize that soon, and that you'll probably change your attitude during your long prison sentence. The supporters also shed tears before the execution, and that's right. They apologized and reflected. Kim Rae-ah's psychology is twofold. One is that you don't want to admit that you did something wrong. That's why I want to blame the victim. The victim made me do this, and he has to inject it into himself to brainwash himself so that he can endure it. The other thing is that he is now in a detention center and will go if he is confirmed as a prison, but he wants to be treated even when he goes back.

◇ Lee Ik-seon: He also proposed a bill on social violence. How did this pass when you were a member of the National Assembly?

☆ Citation: No. At that time, it was a law on punishment and protection of victims of relationship-obsessed violence such as dating violence. At that time, stalking was included in the content. At that time, it was before the Stalking Act was proposed. The Ministry of Justice is preparing a law to punish stalking with government legislation at that time, so I hope you take that out of your bill. That's why I took it out. Then there are people who persistently chase after them because of not only this dating violence, but also because of some revenge psychology toward the other person, for example, dismissal, or bullying in the workplace, even if they are not in a normal relationship. However, if this is simply a crime of assault under the criminal law, it becomes an anti-will penalty, and if the other victim says he doesn't want to be punished, he can't be punished. Then the other person already knows me, and if he reports and continues to file complaints, he won't receive serious punishment, so violence based on obsession with this relationship is habitual. The content was that the possibility of recidivism is high and the victim is in considerable pain, so aggravated punishment should be imposed and a victim protection law should be prepared. It was not fair to say that the act of strengthening punishment is not assault or intimidation, but it was not passed in the end because there were many objections that it was unfair to impose aggravated punishment just because it was a relationship obsession or temporary protection measures.

◈ Choi Soo-young: If the law had been passed, it would have been a citation law. .

◇ Lee Ik-seon: That's right. But your eyes are different right now. When you spoke as a novelist earlier, you seemed like a young man, but when you talked about this crime, you were just sharp.

◈ Choi Soo-young: You just explained the subtle state of mind. Then I don't want to come back and write a romance novel by expanding it to a woman.

☆ Citation: It's a very disconnected part. It's the weakest part, and my wife had a romantic part when she used castrato. But my wife and daughter were the first to see it. Take it out... There were some expressions like that. When I was young, I had to lose my relationship with the character Min Ji-ah because she said I was childish and gave me goosebumps, but later on, I have that ambition to write a profile's love story separately.

◇ Lee Ik-seon: Don't you want to learn it yourself?

☆ Citation: I'll do it if you tell me to.

◇ Lee Ik-sun: Why do you appear on Cameo?

☆ Pyo Chang-won: Detective Returns and Min Deok-hee appeared in the second movie. I've been in dramas like mask girls, and I'm coming back. So it wasn't acting, but it was just the way it was in "I Want to Know", so it was kind of weird. It's not acting.

◇ Lee Ik-seon: I'm looking forward to various transformations.

◈ Choi Soo-young: Since castrato is now in the story market at the Busan International Film Festival, it could be a chance for the original author to become an actor.

◇ Interest line: Of course.

☆ Citation: I'm looking forward to it.

◇ Lee Ik-sun: We will end today by cheering for our artist Chang Sang-won's new castrato to become the Korean version of Sherlock Holmes. Thank you for coming forward. Thank you.

◈ Choi Soo-young: Thank you very much.

☆ Citation: Thank you.