[Politics ON] Next week's private meeting?Han Dong-hoon's "No Line" vs. Chin-yoon's "Hango Jipjeon"

■ Host: Youngsoo Kim anchor
■ Appearance: Kim Hyung-joon, chair professor at Bae Jae-dae, head of InSight K Research Center, Bae Jong-chan

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[Anchor]
Let's start <Politics On> looking at the outside and inside of politics. Today, we will analyze it with Kim Hyung-joon, chair professor of Bae Jae-dae, and Bae Jong-chan, head of InSight K Research Institute. Please come in. How are you? Let's look at the first keyword. CEO Han Dong-hoon, you are raising the level of your remarks every day. The first keyword is the expression of public status. He said there was no public position against Mrs. Kim and that the line should not exist. Let's hear what he said firsthand.

[Anchor]
The presidential office has also expressed its position on representative Han Dong-hoon's remarks today. There is only a presidential line. I mean, there's no secret organization. What do you think?

[KIM HYEONGJUN]
There can't be a public line. Of course. However, CEO Han Dong-hoon seems to be making it a fait accompli that public lines exist. If you listen to the content. Then, of course, the presidential office claims that secretaries and administrators in Cheong Wa Dae are not Kim Gun-hee's line because they belong to the presidential office, but can't it depend on what they actually do? So, CEO Han Dong-hoon interprets that if secretaries and administrators are in charge of affairs related to Kim Gun-hee, rather than doing public work, it is of course Kim Gun-hee's line, and that he is asking them to do something about it, but when he said, "Is there anything clearly confirmed about this?" Maybe he is talking about it based on the fact that came out of the Kim Dae-nam transcript, which was in question right now. For example, isn't there a content there? Things like this come out. I don't know if it was based on what's coming out of it, but some media outlets and others are now saying things about Kim Gun-hee's line as if it exists, so CEO Han Dong-hoon said, "This is a very dangerous stage for public sentiment." I think that's probably why I'm inferring right now.

[Anchor]
Let me ask you one more question. Last weekend, I also mentioned the need for personnel reform in the presidential office. Before that, Mrs. Kim said she needed to refrain from her activities. I'm continuing to raise the level of my remarks right now.

[KIM HYEONGJUN]
There are many things I analyzed in my own way, but at first, I refrained from activities, Mrs. Kim. Next, we talked about the prosecution of Deutsche Motors from the public's perspective. The third is the presidential office's personnel reform, and I want to see it in two ways. In the end, I think it is a counterattack to the presidential office's isolation of representative Han Dong-hoon. Continuing to appear in the media isolates Han Dong-hoon. For example, there are parts such as excluding the representative while inviting the floor delegation. Another thing is that at this point in time, the reason why representative Han Dong-hoon has such an element of conflict is that he seems to be aiming for the by-election on October 16.

Because the Yoon Suk Yeol referee theory comes out, I can clearly say what I have to say about the president about the Yoon Suk Yeol referee, and about that part, I will change it if I win this time, and increase my presence. Because it's not a situation that can come out at this point. Nevertheless, in reverse, the flow is not so good. Especially in areas where the ruling party is strong, whether it came from such a situation. I think it is possible to interpret that the reason why this election failed after the election was because we were doing our best, but we continued to lose because there was no change in Yongsan, including President Yoon Suk Yeol.

[Anchor]
I see. Thank you. What about you, Bae?

[Bae Jong-chan]
First of all, this situation itself is a blow to the ruling party, to the ruling power, it's fatal. Because I'm confused rather than secret. Whether there is a secret line or not, we can't know. Then, if the president's approval rating is still quite high, I wouldn't ask or bother to know. However, I think the president's approval rating is declining and the main reason for this is the controversy related to First Lady Kim Gun-hee, so this remark by Han Dong-hoon may be for political purposes.Ma can be attributed to the election and the president's approval rating, and if we say it was an empty-handed meeting, the president will also be hit, but representative Han Dong-hoon will be hit harder.
So you can see that you're working on a decision stop, and this is the most important part. In short, the reason why the story of secret election is mentioned in the end is that it affects personnel management, nomination, and policy through consultation with someone, through someone's delivery, and through someone's implementation, right? There's no way we know if there's anything like this. But I get confused that I will continue to do that.

[Anchor]
But the ruling party leader officially raised the issue. In the presidential office, not the leader of the opposition. [Bae Jong Chan] So this is a bigger situation, a situation that has no choice but to go into a collision. Because CEO Han Dong-hoon, who makes this choice as a result, can choose a detour strategy if this is a different issue, but it's Mrs. Kim Gun-hee. So I think they decided there was no way back.

[Anchor]
There is a possibility of having a solo meeting next week.

[Bae Jong Chan]
Right, after the by-elections. Then, there will be a conflict between the legislature and the independent counsel's law.E, although this includes the Kim Gun-hee Special Prosecutor Act. I think the core issue, whether many people are supporters or watch inside and outside the party, is what kind of talk can representative Han Dong-hoon say in relation to First Lady Kim Gun-hee. I think this should be the most important part.

[Anchor]
Regarding Kwon Sung-dong, a pro-Yoon-gye lawmaker,'s mention of the need for personnel reform in the presidential office, the party leader critically said, "Shouldn't we reflect first?"

[KIM HYEONGJUN]
However, in the context of the current situation, if I say two things I mentioned earlier, but if I add another one, Rep. Kwon Sung-dong is saying that it is not good to go too far into confrontation, but I think it implies that the impact of pollack bacteria is strong. Because I think the word nasal gland began to come out as a result of the pollack bacteria wavelength. So I called this very intensely old politics in this area.
So I think that if we don't resolve this old politics, the white medicine will be invalid in the end, so talking about this very intensely seems like a conflict now, but we have to go through this at least once anyway.

Take a look at
. If you look at what I've said so far, Kim Gun-hee is refraining from working. This is related to Mrs. Kim Gun-hee. Regarding the prosecution related to Deutsche Motors, the prosecution is in line with the public's eye level. And the personnel reform of the presidential office is related to the president of Yoon Suk Yeol. The president, Kim Gun-hee, and the prosecution. This is a list of factors that affect the decline in support for state administration in the Yoon Suk Yeol government, including the presidential office, when all eyes are on it. So in the end, there's no way to solve this, and I think he decided that it would be much more effective to take this by raising the issue first.
However, the question of whether this is right or not politically is something that we need to consider deeper, but what is clear is quite unusual. In the meantime, there is a completely different situation from the Yeouido grammar, so this shows that the result is that vertical governance is no longer possible. Since he has promised the people countless times that he will show a changing side of the party, including horizontal relations between the government and the government. [Anchor] That's what I've said since I ran for the party leader, horizontal relationship.

[KIM HYEONGJUN]
If we show that this horizontal relationship is really happening, the presidential office may have some losses, but the party may have the power to lead it. I think it's a strategic idea that comes out of that judgment.

[Anchor]
The presidential office immediately announced its position. The person in charge of personnel decisions is the president and there is no non-election organization.

[Bae Jong Chan]
That's right. I told you earlier, too.It's not a secret line, but confusion is important. Then, if there is no secret line, you can remove the confusion related to Kim Gun-hee so that you don't get curious about it anymore. Anyway, the way to eliminate the confusion is that or the controversy related to Mrs. Kim Gun-hee continues. And the issue is expanding further. At first, it's Deutsche Motors. Or it was a bag or a bag, but now Myung Tae-kyun and Kim Dae-nam are connected to personnel appointments and nominations. If so, we can get rid of the confusion in this area. So, if you eliminate confusion, you no longer wonder about secret lines.

[Anchor]
I see. Let's talk more about the private meeting in a little while. First, let's take a look at the keywords that floor leader Park Chan-dae said today. Park Chan-dae, the floor leader, demanded an explanation today. The president said that the suspicion of manipulating public opinion is growing like a snowball, and that the president should explain himself. Let's listen to it.

[Anchor]
Floor leader Park Chan-dae argued that the president should explain himself. There are now reports about the poll, so if this is true, the president should explain himself. You're both pollsters. How are you watching it?

[KIM HYEONGJUN]
It's something that needs to be subdivided into a few things. The first thing is to check whether the results of the poll conducted by Myung Tae-kyun have been published. As you know this well, there is a poll review committee. In this situation, we will evaluate it in our own way, but if we say that we just communicated it for reference without publicizing it, how should we approach this problem then? The second thing is that this is definitely the president of Yoon Suk Yeol, the candidate at the time. At the time of the candidate, not only Myung Tae-kyun but also many people are supposed to eventually provide the results of the poll to the presidential candidates. However, the question of how to judge it is quite different from how we should approach it. Lastly, the third was given to Myung Tae-kyun indirectly, for example, regarding the cost that had been carried out when conducting the poll.

So, when the person investigated through it and did not publicize it, but delivered it, this is the question of whether it violates the election law or not under the Public Official Election Act. It's because these three things are concentrated. Perhaps the biggest thing is that it is not a matter for the president to explain, but when the prosecution investigates, it is clear about this. If I ask you to explain what I've said more specifically because you simply recognize and know whether Myung Tae-kyun violated the election law or not, I think the Democratic Party and Chairman Lee Jae-myung have a lot to explain. How many people do you contact during the election process? So I think there will probably be an investigation in relation to a very specific issue.

[Anchor]
That's how we should look at it. What do you think about the polls?

[Bae Jong Chan]
Investigation is from what point of view, but the most important question is that. Has the results of the presidential election changed according to a survey conducted by Myung Tae-kyun? This is actually the point, and what the Democratic Party claims is in that context. However, from three perspectives, the first thing to do is to determine the authenticity of this PNR investigation and the investigation involving Myung Tae-kyun. Secondly, whether this survey then affected the voters of the presidential election, how real. This can also be analyzed indirectly to some extent. The third is the relationship with other surveys, and then 50 were conducted, and then what was the ranking of Yoon Suk Yeol or Lee Jae-myung in the other surveys? And there's actually going to be those findings that we have a lot of voters setting the standard for. Research conducted by Gallup Korea or broadcasting companies. The reliability of these surveys is quite high. Then, which candidate won the most in those surveys? Also, did the results of winning the first place get closer to the presidential election day? And one of the variables we have is unification during the poll ban that actually doesn't work. So, the results of the presidential election cannot be interpreted only by public opinion polls. So, I think what's more important than expanding this is that Myung Tae-kyun will need to be determined first whether there is a criminal problem with any financial transactions, manipulation of investigations, or such criminal matters.

[Anchor]
I see. Myung Taekyun is continuing to interview the media. In this regard, Daegu Mayor Kim Hong Joon Pyo expresses himself as an elector, and Supreme Council member Kim Jae-won expresses himself as a fraudster and a charlatan, but Myung Tae-kyun himself argues that he is a strategist for setting the table for the election through interviews. How are you watching it?

[Bae Jong Chan]
The most important thing here is that I agree with the remarks of Supreme Council member Kim Jae-won. So, the basis for the investigation and investigation of Myung Tae-kyun right now is the money transaction related to the nomination, with former lawmaker Kim Young-sun. There's also a situation where there's nothing to do. If so, shouldn't I quickly enter the prosecution's investigation? So whether this person's remarks are bluster, or frenzy, or whether they contain the truth, this needs to be clearly, clearly obscured. This is not an issue that can be interpreted simply by attracting any public opinion or by political parties or politicians. In that respect, I think it should be a priority to be thoroughly covered by law.

[Anchor]
As far as I know, the prosecution's investigation is underway. However, Myung Tae-kyun continued to interview and became acquainted with the Yoon Suk Yeol President and his wife. And he claims that he has exerted his influence in various ruling party elections.

[KIM HYEONGJUN]
If you look at things about the election process, it's like this. Everyone else is neck and neck. But that's not true. I did an in-depth investigation, and if I say I'm winning a few percent now, everyone is focused on that. Then the person becomes influential. You're looking for it again. Are you renewing the investigation at that time? In this survey, they say that there is still no need to worry, but compared to what Myung Tae-kyun said, if you look at what he investigated and that he should unify with Ahn Cheol Soo suddenly, there is no need to unify with Ahn Cheol Soo. The Yoon Suk Yeol candidates are overwhelmingly winning right now, so why are they unifying them? In that sense, there are a lot of conflicts, and this is a very common phenomenon in Korean politics, and we have no choice but to be tempted by these things. How can you make a plan for the Seoul mayor? It's a strategic language to raise one's status in its own way. [Anchor] Myung Taekyun talks a lot about former emergency committee chairman Kim Jong-in. He also said that Kim Jong-in, former chairman of the emergency committee, insisted on three things because he asked for a story so that Mayor Oh could be elected during the last by-election for Seoul mayor. Of course, Kim Jong-in, former chairman of the emergency committee, is saying that everything is a lie. How do I understand that?

[Bae Jong Chan]
First of all, we shouldn't raise it like a balloon here, so will Professor Kim Hyung-joon, who appeared on today's show, be more influential? On this level of analysis or prediction. Or do I have more credibility after working at a research institute for a long time and doing all the broadcasting exit polls, presidential elections, branch offices, and general elections? It will be judged by our viewers, by the voters. However, Myung Tae-kyun has been thoroughly involved in the controversy over his relationship with First Lady Kim Gun-hee, allegations of nomination deals, and others that if he opens his mouth even a little, there could be a moment when the president resigns within a month. I don't know where all of them are based. Therefore, he contributed greatly to the election of President Yoon Suk Yeol through his relationship with Kim Jong-in, chairman of the National Power Emergency Committee. There's nothing clear about where it's based. So it's all going to be solved through investigation and fact-finding, and it doesn't seem like the Democratic Party can continue to drive this as if the presidential election is unfair and the result is unfair.

[KIM HYEONGJUN]
For example, he played a leading role in unifying Ahn Cheol Soo and Oh Se-hoon, which can only be seen as for self-defense. But the way to check it is, for example, the president, Mayor Oh Se-hoon, or a member of the Ahn Cheol Soo. But all those people are saying it's not right now. Nevertheless, he continues to influence himself in that way. It's not just pollack. Countless people often overestimated their roles after the presidential election in that way, but I think the most obvious way is to investigate quickly and determine the authenticity.

[Anchor]
I see. Thank you very much. Let's continue with the next keyword. Park Jung-hoon is a member of the People's Power. It's classified as a close relationship. He denied the possibility of the failure of the schedule for the meeting, saying that he was coordinating the schedule for the meeting today. Let's listen to it. The presidential office, President Yoon, and representative Han are in demand. So they're saying that they're coordinating it now and it'll happen. Do you think so?

[KIM HYEONGJUN]
I don't think so. If there was a demand, we would have met a long time ago. Isn't it so? We're playing a typical chicken game. The most important implication of the chicken game is to quickly throw a bomb at the opponent. The bomb Kennedy threw in '62 when he was doing Hirschov and Kennedy was exquisite. He just said that if he crosses this line, he will declare it as an attack on the United States. So, Soviet ships come and turn back. Since the presidential office continues to throw bombs here, from the perspective of this presidential office, it can only come out by throwing a bomb this way, but who has more bombs is representative Han Dong-hoon has much more. under constant pressure
But it's not a game of who wins or loses.

As I always say, if I want to go to a cooperative game, of course, I said that I'll officially hold a private meeting now. I'll adjust the agenda and timing quickly, depending on the results, there may be a possibility of changes in the agenda depending on the results of the by-elections, but in the end, that's what many people are talking about. Then, will Mrs. Kim Gun-hee eventually draw an apology or not? You can do it yourself. as a result of one's private meeting Okay, then, with regard to First Lady Kim Gun-hee's apology, and furthermore, with regard to her subsequent moves, whether she will change her direction to just quietly supporting her, as she did in the presidential election. These are the things. However, since this is not an easy solution, there are still parts on how to control the level, but can we solve this problem by avoiding solitary confinement? So, the moment has come to show a high degree of political power, so if you don't solve this, both of you get an F for political power. If the president and the leader of the ruling party try to meet, they must come up with their own solutions that can make an impression much stronger than the people think, or if they just meet, it will be annihilated.

[Anchor]
It can't end up empty-handed. I'm going to coordinate something, so CEO Han Dong-hoon keeps asking for it. That's the background.

[KIM HYEONGJUN]
At its core, I think that the one related to Mrs. Kim Gun-hee is also working the most right now.

[Bae Jong Chan]
I'm a little different from the professor, but I think it's a chicken game, so I'm going to do a chicken meeting. So, many people don't expect it, but the reason why they don't expect it is because they have not been able to do it until now, but they doubt that it will be successful just because they have a solo conversation.

[Anchor]
He said no to the secret line today, and the president's office said there is no secret line.

[Bae Jong Chan]
If it goes like this, it's annihilation. I'm sure neither President Yoon Suk Yeol nor Representative Han Dong-hoon knows about it, and the date of the meeting itself is after the by-elections. I don't know what the by-elections will be like.Ma has no choice but to increase awareness of the crisis depending on the results of the by-elections.

[Anchor]
There will be by-elections the day after tomorrow, so how do you think it will vary depending on the results?

[Bae Jong Chan]
So, the result is still a situation that brings reinforcement, whether it's Busan Geumjeong or not, the power of the people. Then, it might be a little more, if not a very big one, a little bit more relaxed.

[Anchor]
I heard that Busan Geumjeong is close now.

[Bae Jong Chan]
As with the Seoul Superintendent of Education, isn't it a situation where the overall approval rating of the president or the approval rating of national power is not good? If so, I think that there is room for President Yoon Suk Yeol to change his attitude here because going from such a total crisis to a chicken game will annihilate. Because it's such an issue related to Mrs. Kim Gun-hee, it already has a learning effect. President Yoon Suk Yeol is probably the one who knows better than anyone else about the Choi Soon-sil scandal during Park Geun Hye's presidency. If so, I am leaving even the Daeyukju, Daegu, North Gyeongsang, 60s, 70s and older, and housewives, whose current situation is a key support base. For the middle class, the middle class, the metropolitan area, and the young generation will have time but it will be difficult to expect local elections.
Then I should at least make some results rather than just a solitary confession. If the parliamentary conflict continues to deepen, the situation will inevitably become more difficult at the end of the year, and under such circumstances, even if Representative Lee Jae-myung's November crisis rumors come, it is highly likely that it will not work. If so, aren't the two people who know better than anyone else about the situation of such annihilation and collusion, both of them were prosecutors? Then I'm open to the possibility of making a sharp turn to a chicken spin, at least not a chicken game.

[Anchor]
Let's look at the Realmeter poll that came out today and talk a little more. The professor said that even if you have a private college, there should be results. What kind of results do you think should come out? Looking at the approval rating of the state affairs performance evaluation now, it is a real meter survey, similar to 25.8 two weeks ago. And it fell a little further from 27.9 degrees in the first week of October. What do you think the result will be?

[KIM HYEONGJUN]
That survey has two implications. One is that the negative rating is 71.3%. 71. Isn't 3% the highest negative rating in all investigations so far? The other is that the president is now on a diplomatic tour and is thinking of working hard on his own, but his approval rating is falling. So in the end, as I said earlier, doesn't the falling approval rating of the government and ruling party show that the presidential office should make its own decision to solve this problem rather than the people's power led by Chairman Han Dong-hoon? But that's what I'm reading right. It's called chicken sashimi earlier, but it's not just chicken. As I always say, if I'm going to change the chicken game to a cooperative game. What I'm thinking is why CEO Han Dong-hoon keeps escalating in that way. Personally, if I were to analyze that, who knows President Yoon Suk Yeol best? I think it's Han Dong-hoon. That's how I see it. know better than anyone else Then, if you get pushed back, you're going to die. In the end, I think we can create a way for both of them to live. And the president of Yoon Suk Yeol has an adventurous temperament. So, if we consider those things together, I think there is a possibility that the results can come out as expected by the people.

[Anchor]
I see. That's all for today's politics. I was with Bae Jong-chan, head of InSightK Research Institute, and Kim Hyung-joon, chair professor at Baejae University. Thank you.