[Correct] Yoon and Han interview, Kim Gun-hee's controversy, a watershed moment in the political relationship...Shall we find a solution?

■ Host: Kim Sun-young Anchor
■ Starring: Seo Yong-ju, head of the Political and Social Research Institute, Yoon Hee-seok, senior spokesman for the People's Power

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[Anchor]
Let's start with a political commentary with a lively angle. Today, we have two people, Yoon Hee-seok, a spokesman for the People's Power of the People, and Seo Yong-ju, director of the Political and Social Research Institute. Welcome. Today's first keyword is a video. Please show us.

[Anchor]
It's not a solo meeting, but an interview, but the time is set for 4:30 p.m. today. 4:30 p.m. is usually the time when we don't make an appointment well when we make an appointment, but it's 4:30 p.m., not 4:00 p.m. How do you see the meaning of time?

[Applicant owner]
The meaning of time is that when people have a meeting, when they have a meeting between a man and a woman, they do it at 4:30, and then, for example, if they like it, they eat dinner, and if they don't like it, they don't eat dinner. I think the 4:30 p.m. might have had such a 4:30 p.m. in mind, but I think I'm seeing Han Dong-hoon's attitude, considering that the atmosphere was not very pleasant with the president and the representative of the ruling party, Han Dong-hoon. Meet at 4:30 and have a cup of tea, and if Han Dong-hoon obediently follows me about President Yoon Suk Yeol's words, I can tell him to have a meal.

[Anchor]
Do you think you'll prepare dinner?

[Applicant owner]
Even if the dinner appointment is made by the president, I think the president can decide on the time to eat with Han Dong-hoon as the head of the ruling party, but I don't think he will eat. If you look at what CEO Han Dong-hoon said earlier, he showed a very strong will. It's Han Dong-hoon's loss if he shows up after eating here.

[Anchor]
Even if we meet at 4:30 and talk for an hour, we usually have time for dinner. Do you think it's time to open up eating until dinner? Or do you think it's time to just see it briefly and break up?

[Yoon Heesuk]
It depends on the interpretation. First of all, the president's office has a separate dinner schedule today. It doesn't seem like you're in a situation that you'll be with until this evening, but even if it's an interview, I hope there's a situation where the dinner schedule can go back a little longer.

[Anchor]
Has the dinner time not been released yet?

[Yoon Heesuk]
I'm not aware of that.

[Anchor] I don't think it'll be that long if we have dinner after
. What do you think?

[Applicant owner]
So they said they have a dinner schedule, so if I were a reporter, I think I'd cover who I'd meet for the dinner. It's a comparison with CEO Han Dong-hoon. If you said you would meet with the head of the ruling party for a very long time, that is, after the by-elections on October 16, you would have considered the time of the dinner. However, there is a dinner without an interview. As I said before, let's meet at 4:30 and if you like it, let's do it until dinner. If you've already made an appointment for dinner, who would that be? If you're a different politician. Or, I think it would be another mysterious loss for CEO Han Dong-hoon if he meets a very low level of people even compared to CEO Han Dong-hoon.

[Anchor]
The expression "low level" can be misunderstood. Considering the importance, if you had a hard time setting up a date with CEO Han Dong-hoon, and you had dinner with someone else, this could be very controversial, have you covered it?

[Yoon Heesuk]
I don't know that either. However, today at 4:30 p.m. If you sum up what has been said, you can fully understand what CEO Han Dong-hoon is going to say in Yongsan, so I think an hour to an hour and a half is enough time to talk.

[Anchor]
Anyway, it's not a single room today. Since Chief of Staff Jeong Jin-seok is with us, it's a 2:1 meeting. Representative Han Dong-hoon also requested that the chief of staff would go with him, but Yongsan refused.

[Seoyongju]
{Lee ∀}, but when I checked this morning, I heard that there was room for Chief of Staff Park Jung-ha to go as well. I think we need to see, but for now, it seems that Chief of Staff Jeong Jin-seok will be with us regardless of who is present.

So, in terms of the fact that it will not be a secret one-on-one atmosphere between representative Han Dong-hoon and the president because they gather in the third party, I think it would be right to see this interview itself as having already been evaluated. The president has no intention of giving anything more to Han Dong-hoon, but is planning to say something to him. It's a level to receive it well and write it down and do it as the leader of the ruling party, but I don't know. Whether it is three people or four people, the result of the interview is not very important because it is not a solitary meeting, I think so.

[Anchor]
Anyway, there are many things to talk about even before the start regarding the number of people present and the format. Supreme Council member Kim Jae-won said this in an interview this morning. Let's listen to it.

[Anchor]
Kim Jae-won, the supreme council member, refuted this question, saying, "Is the head of state the same as the head of the party?" How do you see it?

[Yoon Heesuk]
Supreme Council member Kim Jae-won's interpretation is a little excessive. Starting with whether the president and the ruling party leader are equal or not, the party leader doesn't trust the president produced by the party, so we'll take him to the presidential office only. I don't think it's that helpful for us to see it from this perspective. I just said that we'll take the chief of staff, and I don't think he said that because chief of staff Jeong Jin-seok was a long-time member of the party and the National Assembly, he didn't trust him. This interpretation is a bit excessive, I'll say.

[Anchor]
Chief of Staff Jeong Jin-seok is sitting between President Yoon and Representative Han Dong-hoon today. The role of the person in the middle is really important in this situation. What role do you think we should play?

[Applicant owner]
Some people say this. President Yoon Suk Yeol and representative Han Dong-hoon are in a situation where there is a big difference of opinion, so there may be a little uncomfortable atmosphere. Wouldn't it be right to act as a mediator to alleviate the seasoning? They are also asking if he would play such a role, but first of all, I think it is natural that CEO Han Dong-hoon requested Chief of Staff Park Jung-ha.

Because when two people talk, they may forget what they're talking about, so the objectified person watching from the side and recording can accurately evaluate or talk about the contents of the interview externally.

However, this is a public meeting because the head of the administration, the head of the ruling party, and the head of the ruling party of the legislature go to the head of the administration and the head of the ruling party of the legislature. So the executive branch and the legislative branch are different areas.

Of course, there's a ranking. However, how dare the president and representative Han Dong-hoon bring their chief of staff to a meeting with the president? It's about ignoring the president, but it's a little bit about working in the public domain, not going out to play privately. When it comes to that, I think Kim Jaewon's best interpreted it a little too much. I don't know what you're going to talk about when you meet, but I don't think your face will look bright. So, as far as I know, Yongsan has limited coverage except for releasing a photo.

[Anchor]
I think it can be called the politics of time, but if the flow of conversation today or the answer from Yongsan is not satisfactory to hear representative Han Dong-hoon, do you think there is a possibility that representative Han Dong-hoon will get up first?

[Applicant owner]
There won't be any. Because CEO Han Dong-hoon doesn't have to crash his image like that. It will come from an underdog standpoint and a listening standpoint that respects the president as much as possible. But I think the interview is already over. Since the prosecution has not prosecuted Kim Gun-hee's stock price manipulation, it has already been resolved among the three demands of CEO Han Dong-hoon. So I'm also skeptical about whether to put a greater meaning on the interview.

[Anchor]
Aren't you pouring too much cold water on me even though we haven't met yet?

[Applicant owner]
It's a prediction.

[Anchor]
Anyway, you must be very curious about today's result announcement, but you can talk about it because chief of staff Jeong Jin-seok was in Yongsan, and Han Dong-hoon will talk about it himself?

[Yoon Heesuk]
Yes, I heard that if you go alone, you will probably come back to the National Assembly and brief yourself on the situation of the talks.

[Anchor]
Can we see it as an expression that says that the will is that strong to say it directly?

[Yoon Heesuk]
Anyway, I don't know what you'll say, but you've talked about the agenda, and if so, it makes sense for the presidential office in Yongsan and the person who asked what the president's answer was. And from the reporters' point of view, as Chief of Staff Jeong Jin-seok will say, he will prefer to hear from CEO Han Dong-hoon, who can be seen as a direct party. So I think they'll probably hold a briefing in person.

[Anchor]
Director Seo Yong-joo said, "The three demands that CEO Han Dong-hoon made, that is, the current situation is that the test paper is already out and we are looking at the answer sheet today. Do you think all three are X? What do you think?

[Yoon Heesuk]
I don't think it's multiple choice, it's subjective. I heard Yongsan's position that there is a certain possibility of partial acceptance of each of the three requirements, and that there are some areas that I think are a little difficult. If so, wouldn't Yongsan accept each of them to some extent and answer to this extent?

[Anchor]
Which one is acceptable out of the three?

[Yoon Heesuk]
I can't predict that. Actually, everything matters from number one. You can use a different answer by mixing this, so we have to wait and see the presentation.

[Anchor]
For example, rapid installation of the second annex. If such an answer comes out, can it be considered satisfactory for CEO Han Dong-hoon?

[Applicant owner]
Yongsan's answer is here. So, as spokesman Yoon Hee-seok said, Kim Gun-hee's activities were suspended. CEO Han Dong-hoon demanded immediate action. It's very unconventional. So, in the midst of the false career controversy that she promised to the people when she was a presidential candidate, if Kim Gun-hee becomes president to the people, she will only play the role of a wife.

So my wife's role was that I wouldn't do public activities. That's how I told you to go back. But there's no way the president would get it. However, the presidential office already left it as if it was going to be done to the people, followed by an apple, a second annex, and a special inspector. This was already there. So, CEO Han Dong-hoon didn't want this answer sheet, so I think if he brings it with him, Han Dong-hoon's face will be damaged a lot.

[Anchor]
But some people say this. There was also a view that the installation of the second accessory room serves to control the activities of the first lady in a way, but the installation of the second accessory room is arranged after the complete suspension of the activities.

[Applicant owner]
So it's in the middle. I will forget about the past and do it properly from now on. This would be the presidential office's position. The suspension of Kim Gun-hee's activities, which CEO Han Dong-hoon is talking about now, is his own judgment that the Kim Gun-hee risk will not be resolved with it. So, as I said earlier on the data screen, no matter what reforms or solutions to the government's various people's livelihoods as the head of the ruling party, this does not shine as long as there is a risk of First Lady Kim Gun-hee. So in the end, I think they say that stopping it as it is is the way to save the ruling party, the conservative government, and the president of Yoon Suk Yeol in the end.

[Anchor]
According to media reports, CEO Han Dong-hoon had a lot of phone calls with his aides and held secret meetings yesterday, so it may be difficult to disclose everything, but what part did the close circle ask Han to do?

[Yoon Heesuk]
I've probably told you a lot to deliver those three requirements well enough in advance. Isn't there an order among them? Among the three, No. 1, No. 2, and No. 3, there are probably open activities for women, but there are many predictions that there were a lot of people who focused on personnel reform. In the end, I think it was something like this to go and talk well.

[Anchor]
Anyway, they said they had some operational meetings yesterday, but I think we need to wait and see what kind of operations CEO Han Dong-hoon will have today and enter the presidential office at 4:30 p.m. Political circles are talking about the results of today's interview. Let's listen to it.

[Anchor]
First, let's talk about Rep. Lee Joon-seok. So, CEO Han Dong-hoon's strategy is wrong. Instead of talking about Germany, he said he would vote on Kim Gun-hee, the special prosecutor, and if he had walked like this, he would have had much more power in negotiations with President Yoon Suk Yeol. How do you see it?

[Applicant owner]
That's too easy to say. That's what I can say from the standpoint of criticism in politics and this area. We have 8 votes now, so if it doesn't work, we'll vote and there won't be any next time. It's too easy. However, if that happens, he will become the ruling party leader who threatens the president with the image of representative Han Dong-hoon.

Then in the long run, even if it's solved, it's damaging to you. That's why I think he was trying to keep smiling and begging the president and pressuring him through messages. I don't think Han Dong-hoon has the ability to move eight or 10 votes within the party. Yet. Because it has the authority of the president.

And you have to go naturally. No matter how much the interview fails on this part, do we now receive an independent counsel because we feel bad after coming back? We can't do that. In the end, we just leave it still and naturally, and on the outside, we oppose the party's theory and the Democratic Party's independent counsel. But we need to leave it to the judgment of the lawmakers and to meet the public's eye level. If you throw it around, it moves on its own. It was similar this time. I opposed it on party lines. I did, but there were four votes to leave. The remaining four votes can be created even if you leave it still. That's why I think there's a need to pressure the president while damaging such an image.

[Anchor]
Sir, this is a hypothetical scenario. For example, if there is no income today and the title is mostly empty-handed in the media tomorrow, some people in the close circle say that the next vote cannot be guaranteed. What do you predict?

[Applicant owner]
I think that's the airflow. So CEO Han Dong-hoon is doing a good cop, so to speak. And then the people next to you play the role of bad cop. If you create such an atmosphere and threaten what will happen if the people don't give you anything convincing during this interview in Yongsan, right?

These are the parts that are moving under the surface of the party. CEO Han Dong-hoon will go back and say the same thing. I guarantee you that we will have to wait and see how long we will play the role of Good Cop while talking about various things that fit the public's eye level.

[Anchor]
In the case of former lawmaker Cho Eung-cheon, he criticized that he would receive the Nobel Prize, but he should accept at least the special prosecutor's office without the toxic clause in Yongsan. I'm arguing that I need to give that much. What do you think is the possibility of that?

[Yoon Heesuk]
First of all, we will discuss that after the results of today's interview come out. If the results of today's interview are not very good, there is a high possibility that we will go straight to the special prosecutor's office. However, we can't get the third special prosecution bill proposed by the Democratic Party. Myung Tae-kyun, since there are even suspicions of meddling in our party's nomination. If it is passed, the party cannot receive it because there is room for the party to be raided.

So you only take the toxic clause out of there? That's too much to say. How can a representative of the ruling party pressure the president when he uses these terms that keep putting pressure on the president? There is a meeting today to make the government and the ruling party do well, and if you look at that, I hope you will see the process of achieving productive results in the process of talking more openly rather than seeing it as pressure. As a result, everything often changes depending on the outcome of today's meeting, so I think it is too early to predict it prematurely.

[Anchor]
It's a bit of a cautious time to say it, but for example, the president of Yoon Suk Yeol was sort of refusing to have a private meeting or a meeting, but he set a date for now. When you set a date, there may be a view that there is something to give. How do you see that?

[Yoon Heesuk]
I think so, too. I believe that this was not accepted by representative Han Dong-hoon while continuing to ask for an interview, but it was made because there was a part where Yongsan decided to give an answer when Hong Cheol-woo, the senior secretary for political affairs, first met in the middle. From that point of view, I expect that there will be no headline in tomorrow's morning paper at least an empty-handed meeting today.

[Anchor]
There is something.

[Applicant owner]
There's something. I've already told you. Apology. I said it, but the president will apologize. Then there's the second annex, a special inspector. But I told you that this is the same as having but not having, and I don't think it's a Nobel-loving wife if I briefly talk about former lawmaker Cho Eung-cheon. It's the Nobel Prize for the Holiness. The wife and the wife are completely different. I would like to tell you that a husband who loved his spouse and a wife who can't do anything are different because they are held tightly by their spouse.

[Anchor]
Anyway, if CEO Han Dong-hoon looks at the media reports now, I will say what I have to say this time. It is reported in media reports that he said that if we keep going like this, everyone will die. If Director Seo Yong-joo returns without much income as predicted, what actions can CEO Han Dong-hoon take next?

[Applicant owner]
First of all, what representative Han Dong-hoon can do is that the parts about the special prosecutor will be stronger, centered on the close circle. There will be messages saying that now you have no choice but to make a choice that suits the public's eye level, and I think CEO Han Dong-hoon has already concluded in the interview.

So, 10% or 20% of the hopes may be there, but 80% of them have already said everything, but the president's office has not much to give. I think you know that you won't do it except for an apple, a second annex, and a special inspector. After CEO Han Dong-hoon's interview, I think I will be more active in the public opinion campaign. So, I think he will establish his own political exit strategy by talking about his message in more detail one by one through the media.

[Anchor]
Ahead of the interview, there are voices of people's power checking representative Han Dong-hoon. Please show us what it's about. Chungnam Governor Kim Tae-heum said this. Demanding a solo meeting and doing it through the media can only be interpreted as a means to differentiate oneself from one's own politics or the president. A solitary confession without a foundation of trust is not a solitary confession, but a sedition or negotiation. I criticized him like this.

Lee Sang-kyu, chairman of the party's cooperation committee in Seongbuk-ul, Seoul, said, "Representatives who have done political tricks despite their incompetence should resign. That's what I said. General election defeat, superintendent election defeat. The resignation of the head of Guro-gu is evidence that the party leader gave up the metropolitan area. That's how I set up the blade. Of course, I don't know how many people in the party criticize representative Han Dong-hoon like this, but for example, if the results of this meeting are not good, there may be concerns that the division within the party will accelerate.

[Yoon Heesuk]
We can't do it even if we want to split up. We are a party responsible for leading the government with a small number of seats, so there is no division at all. However, there can be many voices from within. But all of those diagnoses don't fit logically in my view. I fully understand the part you mentioned by Chungnam Governor Kim Tae-heum, but at least considering that it was in the middle of the by-elections, the level of Han Dong-hoon's remarks was inevitably high.

[Anchor]
Ahead of the meeting between President Yoon Suk Yeol and Representative Han Dong-hoon, the Democratic Party of Korea is now raising the level of its offensive against the ruling party. Let's talk about what's coming out of the Democratic Party. Please show us the next topic. Democratic Party of Korea, we're going to go outside. I'll even prepare a long padded coat. That's what I said. Will it last until the middle of winter?

[Applicant owner]
We're preparing for the middle of winter. It's getting colder today. That's why I think they're asking us to prepare for a long padded coat. It's unfortunate. There may be some political circles and the Democratic Party of Korea jumping in, but as the prosecution has already cleared Kim Gun-hee of the manipulation of stock prices, there are many rumors that this is a proper country. Now, many people are carrying candles in Gwanghwamun.

As a result, the Democratic Party of Korea seems to be saying to join together and take care of the long padding, but in reality, Kim Gun-hee's problem itself is not just a luxury bag or stock price manipulation, but also a stumbling block in various areas of state affairs, including nomination intervention. Just looking at Myung Tae-kyun, I have only met Myung Tae-kyun and the presidential couple in Yongsan for about 45 days due to the controversy over Kim Gun-hee's intervention in the nomination.

There are people who lose their lives because of the emergency room, and the media who are taking care of them are not paying attention. The security issue is serious right now. People's livelihood problems and prices are serious now. Various people's livelihoods and state affairs have become paralyzed. In this situation, why doesn't Mrs. Kim Gun-hee solve this in terms of how much she is acting as a major obstacle to the state affairs of the Republic of Korea? This should have been done by the president.

Now, the president does not properly deal with his spouse based on some kind of rule of law, so the people are really wearing long padded coats in this cold weather. So, in that sense, the Democratic Party of Korea is determined to show a strong sense of struggle as an opposition party. I think that's the right way to look at it.

[Anchor]
Let's listen to the voices of the Democratic Party, which foretold the winter struggle, and the voices of the people.

[Anchor]
It is not yet known whether the rally is going to be regular or intermittent, but anyway, I will not put up with the issue of Kim Gun-hee anymore. I'm going to compete in public opinion. This is the atmosphere, right?

[Yoon Heesuk]
I don't think that going to a public opinion contest directly leads to an off-the-shelf rally. If the Democratic Party is small and the number of seats is small, it can be understood as seen in past examples, but it is a party that now has 171 seats in the National Assembly. The fact that such a party comes out without being able to resolve it in the National Assembly proves itself incompetent.

The meaning of coming out because you can't solve it within the institutional sphere is only possible when you don't have the power to do it in the institutional sphere, but if you come out and solve it like in the past, you can just come out automatically and fight politics without much thought. If you're going to go out and do it, if you've decided to go out and achieve something, I think it's right to take off the lawmaker's badge.

Why do we have to hold a general election if we're going to do this? Why do you have to hold an election? Therefore, I expect that the people will not allow the Democratic Party, which has the opportunity to discuss enough within the system and has the power to come out and fight.

[Anchor]
Anyway, the Democratic Party of Korea is raising its offensive level after the decision not to indict Kim Gun-hee. At today's parliamentary inspection, the ruling and opposition parties launched another offensive as they issued an order to accompany Kim's mother and daughter. Kim Yong-tae, a member of the People's Power, analyzed the Democratic Party's move like this. Let's listen to it.

[Anchor]
Coincidentally, this is the time when Lee Jae-myung's first trial was sentenced to go outside after preparing for the long padding. Representative Kim Yong-tae points out that this is what the Democratic Party's strategy is like.

[Applicant owner]
So isn't it the people's power to make that kind of strategy? If you attack the president of Yoon Suk Yeol who protects Kim Gun-hee and various suspicions about Kim Gun-hee, you just bring up representative Lee Jae-myung. It's an automatic reflection. Lee Jae-myung's judicial risk. CEO Lee Jae-myung's Bangtan-yong. I'm just saying it like a habit.

The Democratic Party has no intention of doing that, and it's not that background. As you can see, even if the trial is held in November, there is a lot of time for the final judgment to the Supreme Court. Isn't it so? It doesn't end with the first trial. So, the time of the court turns, so wearing a long padded coat doesn't stop the trial.

That's why Rep. Kim Yong-tae calls this risk against First Lady Kim Gun-hee for bulletproof purposes. First of all, there are various strategic judgments within the Democratic Party that Kim Gun-hee's acceptance of the special prosecution and the condemnation convention itself must go over this mountain quickly to go to the people's livelihood or state administration.

I don't know if Lee Jae-mung's representative BTS will be able to do it. Shouldn't this be viewed as a separate issue? Representative Lee Jae-myung is in a position to wait for the time of the court, and First Lady Kim Gun-hee has not even been in front of the court at all, so whether the public will ask for Lee Jae-myung's judicial judgment to be convicted quickly or why Kim Gun-hee is not guilty is the difference in the end, so lawmaker Kim Yong-tae is a little excessive. I would like to see that.

[Anchor]
The Democratic Party of Korea has even taken out a card for an outdoor rally in connection with the controversy over First Lady Kim Gun-hee. Let's go back and wait for a while to see what solutions to this situation will come out at today's meeting between President Yoon Suk Yeol and Representative Han Dong-hoon. So far, it has been two people, Yoon Hee-seok, a spokesman for the People's Power, and Seo Yong-ju, director of the Political and Social Research Institute. Thank you.