[News NIGHT] After Yoon-Han's interview...Close circles 'emergency dinner'

■ Host: anchor Sung Moon-gyu
■ Starring: Hong Seok-joon, former member of the National Power, Shin Hyun-young, former member of the Democratic Party of Korea,

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[Anchor]
It's a focus night time to point out the news of political interest. Today, we will be joined by Hong Seok-joon, a former member of the People's Power, and Shin Hyun-young, a former member of the Democratic Party. Hello, both of you. President Yoon Suk Yeol and representative Han Dong-hoon are experiencing a strong "after-meeting storm." I had an emergency dinner meeting with representative Han Dong-hoon and close-knit lawmakers. What kind of stories did we talk about? I'll listen to it myself.

[Cho Kyung-tae / People's Power: Yesterday (21st) (President Yoon and Representative Han) met. I'm taking things a little seriously and seriously when we meet.... After the meeting, we met today and shared our sternness about the future political situation, and this is all we need to see. ]

[Park Jeong-hoon / People's Power: We talked about the interview, exchanged opinions on the direction the party should move forward, and that was it. Let's discuss the concerns more and more about how to do it in the future.... ]

[Anchor]
I heard about Representatives Cho Kyung-tae and Park Jung-hoon. Representative Cho Kyung-tae, we are taking the current situation seriously and share the seriousness of the future political situation. What do you think about this as we talked about it in a big way, today's dinner meeting?

[Hong Seok-jun]
Representative Cho Kyung-tae, as a member of the party's six-term parliament, expressed his concern in a big way about the party-government conflict ahead of the Democratic Party's strong impeachment offensive. Representative Han Dong-hoon met with close lawmakers about the situation after yesterday's meeting with the president to naturally listen to their opinions and share their thoughts.

[Anchor]
So that's the purpose of the seat. After yesterday's meeting with the president, we had a dinner meeting today and it's about sharing what it was about. In fact, all the contents came out in the afternoon today. What kind of seat do you think it was, Senator Shin?

[Hyunyoung Shin]
In fact, President Yoon Suk Yeol and Representative Han Dong-hoon thought that they could not go the same way now, and that it was a place to prepare countermeasures against the situation of neglecting yesterday's meeting. At the same time, it was the first meeting, but about 23 close lawmakers gathered today. In that respect, similar to the last meeting, the number of people is maintained in the 20s. Myung-soo is important, whether it is the Kim Gun-hee Special Prosecutor Act or the Chae Byung-do Special Prosecutor Act, or whether it will pass when a request for reconsideration is made later, so Chairman Han Dong-hoon should make considerable efforts to expand his position within the party. Since you are outside the office, today's meeting in influencing your influence on the floor is even more meaningful. According to the media reports today, many lawmakers reacted furiously yesterday, saying, "It's like looking down on the People's Power Party to neglect Chairman Han Dong-hoon." In that sense, today's meeting will form various consensus, and there will be an important crossroads of leadership in the future when the ruling and opposition parties decide which way to go with the direction key when there is a conflict, especially in the National Assembly. As representative Han Dong-hoon said today that he will negotiate and cooperate with representative Lee Jae-myung in order to help the people overcome the power of the people and the president's approval rating, which is falling, I think he will clearly organize the route that is a little more different from the existing stance.

[Anchor]
The graphic is coming out right now. Secretary-General Seo Bum-soo said this today, before and after today's dinner meeting. It's the right to request the independent counsel's review. If the right to request reconsideration comes, it could be passed if the president proposes the right to veto it and comes back. Didn't the president say he believes in our party members? Do you think the president is our party? At the very end here, we will refer to close-knit Members. How do you hear this story?

[Hong Seok-jun]
I think Secretary-General Seo Bum-soo made a very strong statement, but in a way, he said too much. In fact, didn't representative Han Dong-hoon already draw the line that such a special prosecution law proposed by the Democratic Party cannot be passed because it is unconstitutional? As such, we have no choice but to question the fact that the secretary-general says that there is a possibility that it will pass if the secretary-general makes a request for presidential reconsideration in this way. And few lawmakers who had dinner with representative Han Dong-hoon today have this idea of passing the Special Counsel Act or accepting it when a request for reconsideration is made. There are few meetings with representatives Han Dong-hoon, and they should not be linked to those lawmakers who will vote for them when they are asked for reconsideration. I think so, but lawmaker Seo Bum-soo's remarks are quite likely to be criticized within the party, and in this way, he is threatening the president. I think even this can be interpreted.

[Anchor]
In any case, how will the Special Prosecutor's Law for First Lady Kim Gun-hee proceed in the future? This is the focus of attention, but I'll talk about it again and proceed. In fact, Han Dong-hoon canceled his schedule this morning. And the first official remarks came out after the interview in the afternoon. Let's hear what he said.

[Han Dong-hoon / Representative of the People's Power: We will solve the problem without avoiding the public sentiment only by looking at the people. We will be the strength of the people. I will be a strength to the people. Thank you.]

[Anchor]
As you can see now, I think you're choosing a word and saying it. I will solve the problem without avoiding it according to the public sentiment only by looking at the people. How did you hear it, Senator Shin?

[Hyunyoung Shin]
Originally, there were various memes when the power of the people changed the name of the party. Isn't it the burden of the people? Isn't it people's stress now? I think it is the beginning of a crossroads where representative Han Dong-hoon once again emphasizes that it is the power of the people and clears his mind and determination. In that sense, CEO Han Dong-hoon was probably quite angry after the interview yesterday.

[Anchor]
I went home right away.

[Hyunyoung Shin]
I did it through Chief of Staff Park Jung-ha without briefing after returning home. Perhaps he was quite embarrassed while monitoring public opinion until this morning, and he must have been very troubled with how to overcome this. In that sense, the president's office continued to ask for cooperation and Dandori, but it was confirmed yesterday that it was not working at all, so now we have to take our own steps. Then how long will we repeat the parrot-like words that we cannot cooperate because the special prosecution law proposed by the Democratic Party is unconstitutional? If Han Dong-hoon promised to pass independent counsel Chae as a pledge when he was elected as party leader, the public's power has come up with some alternative measures in terms of personnel reform, calling for problems, and proper investigation into Kim Geon-hee. In order to create such an atmosphere, I think about what role I can play as a party leader within the party. What I would like to suggest is that it would be an opportunity to negotiate with the Democratic Party of Korea by proposing the Special Prosecutor Act on Han Dong-hoon or People's Power, excluding unconstitutional elements and excessive parts, and to block proper investigation and such areas.

[Anchor]
Congressman Hong, how did you hear it? I will follow the public sentiment just by looking at the people. I understand a little bit here, but I won't avoid it, what does this mean?

[Hong Seok-jun]
I think I talked in principle. And it's a cliché and a natural story in a way that politicians always follow the will of the country and the people when they run in big elections. It seems that he has once again established a strong will to mention this and say that he will not avoid it. But in fact, what is the will of the people and what is the eye level of the people? This is a problem because it goes into a separate argument. For example, regarding the special prosecutor Kim Gun-hee, is there a problem with the Deutsche Motors case recently announced by the Central District Prosecutors' Office? For example, the case of Mrs. Kim Gun-hee Deutsche Motors has already been investigated by the prosecution of the Moon Jae In government in 2010 and 2011, and since then, only one out of 91 Jeonju has been prosecuted and the rest, including Mrs. Kim Gun-hee, has not been prosecuted. And since everyone knows that the indicted person called Son and First Lady Kim Gun-hee are completely differentiated, what matters will they conduct an independent counsel? It has this essential problem. That's why we need to go to each debate and have a lot of discussions about what to do.Ma, I think CEO Han Dong-hoon will make a reasonable final judgment on these issues.

[Anchor]
Let's talk more about the Special Prosecutor Act later. Let's go back to yesterday. We had an interview for about 81 minutes yesterday. There were a lot of words today about the content and format, but there were various interpretations of the table and the seating arrangement. As you can see, President Yoon sat in front of a wide table in the middle square, and representative Han Dong-hoon and chief of staff Jeong Jin-seok sat opposite. CEO Han Dong-hoon was provided with Zero Cola, and President Yoon Suk Yeol drank iced coffee. What did you think? Regarding the placement of these seats.

[Hyunyoung Shin]
It's quite humiliating for CEO Han Dong-hoon. The protocol secretary, who had been waiting for 30 minutes from the beginning, and actually called for a personnel reshuffle in the outdoor garden, was released in the presidential office, and in this regard, there were various wills to go on the path that we thought was right. And as it is known in the article, the party leader's office requested a round table, but it was made into a square table that long. In fact, the presidential office probably took hundreds of pictures because the position was authoritative in a way that the principal gave advice or a senior prosecutor gave advice to his juniors, not from the same eye level of 1:1 at the same time. It's about choosing, choosing, and disclosing them, but why did they choose such things?

[Anchor]
Anyway, since the video came out, overall.

[Hyunyoung Shin]
But still cuts are very important. When it comes to an interview between the two, a close-up picture of the two. It is common practice not to include extras passing by or people who are present in the back, but it was a time of humiliation of Han Dong-hoon to the point where I suspected that there was such an intention when selecting. In that sense, didn't he enter the interview after being discouraged from the beginning? In such a situation, he was quite skeptical about whether he could say what he wanted and hear the answer he wanted, and in that sense, his status as the party leader and post were quite poor. Don't ask for a private meeting. Then you'll be insulted. I think it was a time when public opinion deteriorated considerably today where that kind of message could go.

[Anchor]
The president was about 20 minutes late yesterday, and during that time, representative Han Dong-hoon stood and waited, and sat at a square table in 1:2 composition and drank coke. I think most of them have intentions like this. What do you think of Representative Hong?

[Hong Seok-jun]
Well, I don't think the basic premise is what we need to think about is not a meeting between the state and the state, nor between the leaders of the ruling and opposition parties. Therefore, this must be done in the same level as protocol, but it didn't work there, so it's a huge disrespect. It's a wrong idea to do it on a premise like this. I think so, and now it's a meeting between the leader of the ruling party and the president. Therefore, in fact, there is no need to take protocol seriously. Of course, it would have been more natural if I had a round table or something like that, but is it a different party to think that such a figure is rude to CEO Han Dong-hoon? Are you from another country?

[Anchor]
They compared a lot with the last meeting with CEO Lee Jae-myung.

[Hong Seok-jun]
So, at that time, the president did so in honor of the other, especially the overwhelming representative of the one party, Lee Jae-myung, and I think it is wrong to compare it in the relationship between representative Han Dong-hoon and representative Lee Jae-myung.

[Anchor]
But yesterday, in particular, the Special Prosecutor's Law for Mrs. Kim has been the subject of interest. There were also conversations about this. What the president said was that if the members of the People's Power Party changed their minds, they said that they had no choice. How should I take this? I can't help it.

[Hyunyoung Shin]
In fact, the accurate writing has not been reported, so we have no choice but to guess through the media, so the interpretation can be divided. If the fact that it cannot be helped is passed, it may be interpreted as "I have to follow it," but it may be almost an irony that we expect great cooperation from the people's power in the future.

[Anchor]
He also said he believed in our party members.

[Hyunyoung Shin]
So, as CEO Han Dong-hoon continued to appeal for rejection, I think it was an expression of asking to protect First Lady Kim Gun-hee in such a united manner in the future. As such, President Yoon Suk Yeol said, "My wife is having a hard time with me, she has lost motivation, and she is already restraining herself, so please keep an eye on me." Regarding personnel reform, he said, "If anyone has a problem, come objectively with evidence and there is no possibility of anything changing." That's why I think the president is still expressing the intention of the president, who still thinks that she's not doing something wrong enough to cause something illegal, but you're getting involved in too much political strife from the opposition party. If the presidential office continues to maintain it in this way, the power of the people cannot keep up. In the end, I think that the party has no choice but to differentiate itself from the presidential office, and if it recovers its approval rating in the remaining two and a half years, won't it be possible to fire the branch office and hold a presidential election and a general election? That's why I think it's time for lawmakers to think about it quite a bit.

[Anchor]
There was another story that gave us a glimpse of President Yoon's thoughts today, and we told you in the front part of the news.Ma visited Beomeosa Temple in Busan today. Although President Yoon has many difficult situations, he will work without considering it as karma and leave it alone for the country and the people. At the same time, former spokesperson Jeong Hye-jeon said in a written briefing that she expressed her determination to get hit even if she threw a stone. How do you interpret this?

[Hong Seok-jun]
I think it's a story that contains the president's will in a way. It means that even if there are many problems in reforming pension, labor reform, and education reform, it means that it will go for the future of the Republic of Korea, and that it will confidently go out in various three-dimensional attacks by the opposition party and the Democratic Party of Korea on the presidential office. So, much of what representative Han Dong-hoon is actually raising is sometimes more excessive than the Democratic Party's argument rather than a reasonable part. For example, during the Moon Jae In administration, when there were numerous clothes problems, starting with the first lady Kim Jung-sook's problem and the Taj Mahal problem, did the then leader of the Democratic Party of Korea meet with President Moon Jae In and ask him to solve them? In fact, the past party leader, who has no party at all, told the president these things honestly yesterday that no party leader can tell him, and the president also talked about them as they were. In fact, we need to coordinate our opinions as much as possible behind closed doors, but since we talked about it publicly at the Supreme Council as the party leader, there is a conflict between the two of you that is not 100% resolved.Ma did everything the president could say honestly anyway. Even when I was talking, I didn't let my family problems slide anymore. I think yesterday's achievement was that he honestly talked about the president's thoughts with representative Han Dong-hoon, explaining that his mother-in-law is now in prison and being the first first lady of the incumbent president to be questioned face-to-face by the prosecution rather than a written investigation.

[Anchor]
Yesterday, after drinking coke, representative Han Dong-hoon left the presidential office in about 80 minutes. I went home right away. But after that, the president had a dinner appointment, and floor leader Choo Kyung-ho went there, so this became a long news today. How should I read this?

[Hyunyoung Shin]
That's right. I think it was another issue of reversal of Han Dong-hoon, who was insulted. Maybe that's why CEO Han Dong-hoon shared it in a group chat room with close lawmakers that evening. I think it's that much of a shocking incident. From the public's point of view, the fact that a former floor leader and a party leader from the Yoon Suk Yeol government can be discriminated against like this was the wrong way to show the president's petty behavior once again, excluding those who meet and talk bitterly, or those who are really good at their own words and cooperation, or that they only take care of the floor leader like this. In fact, in the case of yesterday, representative Han Dong-hoon also said that he was a little disappointed with President Yoon Suk Yeol. In fact, even before the interview, didn't you agree with the party leader meeting with Lee Jae-myung? But why does Chairman Han Dong-hoon agree to meet Lee Jae-myung as the party leader again when the Judiciary Committee issued an alliance order on the same day that first lady Kim Gun-hee was attacked? In the end, he called the floor leader Choo Kyung-ho separately at the dinner to show the difference in the intense treatment of those he loves and those he hates. Such a president is not doing big politics, but very narrow politics. And aren't you protecting people around you, including First Lady Kim Gun-hee? I think it will be difficult to get out of this criticism.

[Anchor]
Some in the close circle called floor leader Choo Kyung-ho to dinner yesterday, saying, "Isn't this trying to divide lawmakers within the power of the people?" There are also concerns about this.

[Hong Seok-jun]
Now, it is common to say that the floor leader Choo Kyung-ho's story has already been promised in advance. I don't know if I asked CEO Han Dong-hoon if he wanted to join me for dinner in the presidential office or not. But I don't think it's very meaningful to simply talk about it with a table right now. As Rep. Shin Hyun-young said a little while ago, what is very upsetting about the presidential office is that the Democratic Party of Korea is planning a large-scale outdoor rally on Nov. 2 while attacking the president in earnest, and especially for First Lady Kim Gun-hee, lawmakers are putting all-out pressure on the presidential office to accompany the parliamentary inspection, including the third independent counsel, and lawmakers are putting all-out pressure on the presidential office. Nevertheless, the president thought in detail yesterday. For example, if there is a problem with human renewal, I will replace it immediately. If we talk about any other issue in detail, it seems that the party leader was explained as much as possible in courtesy.

[Anchor]
In the midst of this, as you said, the party's response was mixed. The close circle has openly complained. In the pro-Yoon world, the meeting itself is meaningful, so let's listen to it firsthand.

[Kim Jong-hyuk / Supreme Council member of the People's Power (SBS radio 'Kim Tae-hyun's Political Show') : The president came late saying he would call the EU Secretary-General. He came about 25 minutes late, but I just put the CEO outside. If you look at the picture, you came out of Yongsan. Six or seven people are standing there in a stampede, and isn't CEO Han Dong-hoon alone in the party? In the photo distributed by the presidential office, President Yoon Suk Yeol was sitting in front of the desk with his hands and arms on the table, and a secretary who told the media that he should take responsibility for the so-called Kim Gun-hee line came with him. Isn't that such an explicit message about the things that we can't listen to what the party openly says? ]

[Kang Myung-koo / Member of the People's Power (BBS Radio 'Ham In-kyung's Morning Journal'): As much as the President listened to CEO Han Dong-hoon's opinion, I would like to say that CEO Han Dong-hoon would also make a little effort to restore trust with the President. Just as the party leader is not everything in the party, there are floor leaders, senior lawmakers, seniors, and first-term lawmakers like me. They've started to play sedition politics with a wave of attacks, step by step. I think we need to prepare. ]

[Anchor]
I keep talking about it, but the close circle emphasizes the formalities a lot. There's a content and format, but anyway, there's nothing in the content, so I think they keep talking about the format. However, what do you think from the opposition party's point of view on whether the conflict will begin in earnest after the interview?

[Hyunyoung Shin]
I think that's inevitable. So the reason why the media is paying attention to this interview all day is that the people's power will draw a line in the future, so we are paying close attention to today's dinner. In that respect, in fact, didn't CEO Han Dong-hoon say at first, "What's important about form and what's important about content, whether it's an interview or a private meeting?" However, since it was such an empty-handed and bitter meeting, in the end, I think it was an opportunity to realize what kind of politics they should do and what kind of politics they should do when they confirmed that they were insulted in the end and that the president's office would not change. The dilemma for Han Dong-hoon, however, is that his leadership could shrink very much in the party when he stands at odds with the presidential office and pro-Yoon lawmakers, which may lead to a reduction in his position in the party as a whole and a return to him as an arrow, so he has political homework and dilemmas that he can grow as a presidential candidate only when he shows his political color and clarity. There seems to be a homework that needs to be very focused on whether to implement it or not.

[Anchor]
Now, the future is a problem. Relationship between close friends and pro-Yoon, and relations between the government and the government. What do you think about this?

[Hong Seok-jun]
It seems that there will inevitably be a healthy tension for the time being. Among the so-called closeness people, those outside the party are making more rigid remarks than the floor. Even in the case of the best Kim Jong-hyuk, there are a few people in the presidential office with numbers, but no one has served as the party leader. They are all in the same family and on the same side, but I want to raise the issue a little bit. Nevertheless, what kind of trauma and learning effects are there in our party? People who voted for impeachment under President Park Geun Hye are still under pressure from the right-wing conservative camp as those who voted for impeachment like Scarlet Letter. Therefore, even if there are some conflicts, it will not be easy to leave because the past learning effect and scarlet writing effect are too great to leave in the end.

[Anchor]
The opposition party's response came out today. They said it was an incomeless meeting. At the same time, we have pressed for the acceptance of the first lady Kim's special prosecution law, so let's hear Park Chan-dae's remarks.

[Park Chan-dae / Minjoo Party floor leader: Kim Gun-hee's apology, refraining from activities, personnel reshuffling, setting up a second annex or a special inspector is a misjudgment. Neither President Yoon Suk Yeol nor Representative Han Dong-hoon, reject and oppose and completely abandon the expectation that they can be avoided by trickery. Special prosecutor Kim Gun-hee is inevitable. ]

[Anchor]
In all conversations and talk, this topic is all over the place now under the Special Prosecutor's Act of Kim Gun-hee. We also decided to hold a meeting between the ruling and opposition parties soon. In this situation, the second round of ruling-opposition leadership talks will be held, and we will listen to what you think of each of the First Lady Kim's independent counsel laws and wrap it up.

[Hyunyoung Shin]
I am currently undergoing a parliamentary audit in October, and almost all parliamentary inspection is covered by two issues: Myung Tae-kyun and Kim Gun-hee. In that sense, Kang Hye-kyung testified to the Judiciary Committee yesterday about the intervention of Myung Tae-kyun and Kim Gun-hee in nomination, right? Therefore, if the proposed Kim Gun-hee independent counsel law is rejected by requesting reconsideration, the Democratic Party has no choice but to continue to propose it. So this is bound to be a recurring issue until the end. In the 22nd National Assembly, it is important who will break this dilemma first because this will inevitably continue politics and politics, but it seems that the timing of Kim Gun-hee's apology is already too late. Then, when Rep. Choi Kang-wook appeals later, he will be properly investigated by the prosecution once again, or cooperate with proper investigations until the public understands the seizure and search, and clearly acknowledge the problem through a special prosecutor and receive fair punishment for it. Until the people say that this is enough for them, I think the government and the ruling party should change their posture and keep up with the public's public sentiment.

[Anchor]
Representative Hong?

[Hong Seok-jun]
After all, despite the Moon Jae In administration's prosecution's acquittal of Kim and his mother-in-law through the search and seizure of accounts and strong investigations into the Deutsche Motors case, the reason why the DP is so obsessed with the Special Prosecutor's Law is that it finally finds the beginning of its offensive to impeach the Yoon Suk Yeol administration, just as Kim Geon-hee ultimately impeached President Park Geun Hye through Choi Soon-sil by judging it as the weakest link of the Yoon Suk Yeol administration. And behind the scenes, the government of Yoon Suk Yeol is shaking to avoid the judicial risk of representative Lee Jae-myung. Nevertheless, as I said, even if some lawmakers think a little differently about this special prosecution law, President Park Geun Hye's trauma and learning effects are so great that even if there is a request for reconsideration, it will not pass.

[Anchor]
The Democratic Party of Korea said it would pass the third Kim Gun-hee independent counsel law at the plenary session in early November after the parliamentary inspection, so we will watch the process after that. Today, we joined two former lawmakers, Hong Seok-joon and Shin Hyun-young. Thank you both.