[Politics ON] After "Yoon-Han Interview", "Dinner Separately"...What's the possibility of a third-party independent counsel?

■ Host: Anchor Kim Youngsoo Kim
■ Starring: Kim Jae-won, supreme council member of the People's Power, Park Soo-hyun, member of the Democratic Party of Korea

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[Anchor]
Let's start <Politics On> looking at the outside and inside of politics. Today, we will analyze with Kim Jae-won, the supreme council member of the People's Power, and Park Soo-hyun, a member of the Democratic Party of Korea. Please come in. How are you? Let's get right into the political issue. Please show us the first keyword.

It's Han Dong-hoon. I used the expression "resolve" today, but I reiterated that the demand for Mrs. Kim should be resolved before the sentence of Representative Lee Jae-myung. I'll listen to it myself.

[Han Dong-hoon / Leader of the People's Power Party: The results of the trial on the criminal charges of the leader of the Democratic Party of Korea will be released from Nov. 15, right? In that situation, the Democratic Party of Korea will appear more and more against the public sentiment in a way that is more explosive and destroys the constitutional order. Everyone, what should we look like then? It must be in a state of resolving the public's demands regarding First Lady Kim Gun-hee. Even then, if the issues related to Mrs. Kim are the number one complaints that all citizens talk about when they gather, the public sentiment that has left the Democratic Party of Korea does not come to us as if they were leaving Omellas. ]

[Anchor]
Representative Han Dong-hoon, after meeting with the president two days ago, seems to have become tougher. Today, I reiterated that the demand for Mrs. Kim must be addressed. The current situation of people's power goes beyond the conflict between the ruling party and the government, and it is an all-out war. President Yoon and representative Han are talking. Do you think so?

[Kim Jaewon]
That's actually the case. And from the perspective of our party's supporters or people who care at all about our party, they are complaining about whether the president and the party leader can confront each other within the same party or by using such hostile words. On that point, many people express their intentions through phone calls or text messages. I'm personally very worried.

[Anchor] One representative mentioned the issue of Mrs. Kim once again today. This is what I asked for when I met the president two days ago.

If you ask again, doesn't it mean that you understand that the president has actually expressed his rejection?

[Kim Jaewon]
I don't see all of the president's answers at the time, but mostly Han Dong-hoon refused. Furthermore, don't distort it like that and answer YES or NO. I did this a lot when I interrogated the suspect when I was a prosecutor, but this is right or wrong. Answer that first. Is it right? Did I get it wrong? Isn't this it?

[Anchor]
It is said that it is time to say YES or NO.

[Kim Jaewon]
So I think it will take some time for the President to solve this problem, especially with regard to his spouse, Mrs. Kim Gun-hee. What I could have said to do on the spot after hearing about it at the meeting with CEO Han Dong-hoon was the issue of restraining external activities. I think he replied that he is already doing that and that he will not do it unless it is absolutely necessary in the future.

I think they take it a little differently to accept that as well. Anyway, I think he's asking me to answer clearly whether I'm going to do it or not, but I think the president has answered roughly clearly.

[Anchor]
President Yoon, please tell us specifically who is the problem with the women's line. He said he would decide whether to take action or not by reporting the contents.

[Kim Jaewon]
So, it's a personnel matter for that matter, so I don't think it's a situation where you can say that if you ask them overnight, they'll send them all out as requested. Even if there is a problem, I think it will be a little difficult for the president's office to take such measures immediately.

However, in any form, it can be different from the president's judgment, not just from the so-called eight people in question presented by representative Han Dong-hoon, but also from those who raised it, whether it was more or not raised by representative Han Dong-hoon. However, I think we have reached such a realistic limit that we have to renew the face of state affairs as well as the problem of working-level officials at that level. Therefore, I expect that the president's unique exercise of personnel rights will take place in an appropriate form anyway.

[Anchor]
You're saying you need a little more time.

[Kim Jaewon]
Of course, the personnel issue is a matter of time. Nevertheless, even I, a member of the party leadership who is watching, feel this way as if I'm breaking the situation because I didn't get a definite answer because I asked for it on the spot, but even if I have some trust or support for the party, I don't think it's good to see the leaders of this party arguing.

That's why I say I will follow the public sentiment, but I also want you to think that public sentiment is not necessarily the case.

[Anchor]
And I heard that I had dinner with Han Dong-hoon-friendly lawmakers yesterday. That's why the media even said, "It's a counter-offensive." The close circle seemed to criticize yesterday's meeting between representative Han Dong-hoon and President Yoon Suk Yeol as insulting to representative Han. Do you think so?

[Kim Jaewon]
Obviously, I think we should have refrained from showing scenes to the public that do not have to be shown in the working group of the President's Office. I don't think it's good to give a political excuse like that. However, similarly, I've never seen such a request for a solo meeting, as representative Han Dong-hoon asked the president to be known all over the world.

Furthermore, the president's office is unable to attend the meeting with the president, whether it is a chief of staff or a senior secretary for political affairs, and the president is not able to attend the meeting with the president. If so, the president responds by saying that he will take the chief of staff with him or demands that he prepare a round table.

I couldn't understand this as I worked at the presidential office Cheong Wa Dae during the Park Geun Hye administration to the extent that I thought, "Did you really recognize the president as the head of state of the Republic of Korea or the president produced by our party?"

If this goes back and forth, in the end, there were already many tensions between each other before the solo meeting, so I want to say why we had this solo meeting, if we were going to do this, and if we were going to have such a conflict, why did we meet and why did we have a solo meeting?

[Anchor]
Secretary-General Seo Bum-soo said that you can continue talking, but if you get the right to request reconsideration from a close-knit emergency dinner, it will be passed. Is there such an atmosphere?

[Kim Jaewon]
I think the president thinks he is our party, but this is not the law because the special prosecution law filed by the Democratic Party is actually unconstitutional. The Democratic Party of Korea really knows that when it appoints an independent counsel, it appoints a special prosecutor that the Democratic Party wants, stipulates Kim Gun-hee's charges, writes an indictment, and pushes for the impeachment of President Yoon Suk Yeol based on the indictment.

I don't think the members of the National Assembly of our people are aware of the contents. So, even if those words are said now, I think there are only a few lawmakers who will sympathize with the Democratic Party's special prosecutor and Lee Jae-myung's special prosecutor.

[Anchor]
I see. Thank you very much. It was a matter of the situation within the party, so I asked Kim Jae-won, the supreme council member, several questions. I will also ask Rep. Park Soo-hyun one by one. Rep. Park Soo-hyun has worked at Cheong Wa Dae in the past, so I think he knows it very well. The president meets with the leader of the ruling party. First of all, how did you see the meeting between the president and the ruling party leader two days ago?

[Paphyun]
I don't have to repeat the details because the best Kim Jae-won said this and that. If we often look at Yeouido's political myths, other people's misfortune is not my happiness. It is said that other people's misfortunes become their misfortunes. As a result, the public will be very anxious about that issue of the ruling party's confrontation with the ruling party.

In that sense, the Democratic Party is also complicated by looking at this. In addition, the Democratic Party of Korea is in these situations where the representative is scheduled to be sentenced next month. In that respect, the interview was so embarrassing to talk about it one by one that I wondered why they were fighting like children. Wouldn't it be too idle and pathetic for the people? So I think it's so pathetic that I can't even find the meaning to comment one by one.

[Anchor]
Friendly Members of Parliament were overbearing. And you're describing it as insulting, do you see it that way?

[Paphyun]
So, since you've been asking this question before, first of all, from a formal point of view, the protocol secretary performed it when taking a walk. By the way, as you know well because Kim is the chief political affairs secretary, don't you usually prepare all these issues in the protocol secretary's office?

But what surprised us is that, whether CEO Han Dong-hoon asked for a round table or not, it is natural to sit at a round table. And don't you feel unfamiliar with the place? Oh? Is there a place like that in the presidential office? You'd think so. . .

[Kim Jaewon]
I'm sorry to interrupt. It was the place where we had a dinner with the representative, our party leadership, and the president last time, and we continued to use it.

[Paphyun]
I'm not interested in that. Anyway, from the people's point of view, all the media feel that it's a little strange. Then, the protocol is that you should have done well so that those things don't get caught in pods, so that the two words don't come out. After that, I also released nine photos, seven of which were taken for a walk, and what's important is two interviews, and the scene where someone passes by one behind Han Dong-hoon, a bodyguard, seems to be behind him. As for me, who was responsible for the promotion of the Blue House about how

picked such a photo, I can certainly do things like this in the form of not being treated as the anchor said.

However, as you said, it would have been nice if representative Han Dong-hoon had shown his thoughts on the 2nd or 3rd, but the next day, I don't know if he is his own faction, but he gathered the lawmakers so that they can eat right away and come out with such backstabbing words. I think it would be right to say that it is not appropriate for the ruling party to see such a thing.

[Anchor]
Let me ask you one more question. Appointment of a special inspector, he said he would now push for it in earnest. The Special Inspector General is an organization that can monitor and inspect President Yoon's spouses and relatives. And it was not appointed during the Moon Jae In government for many reasons. And the Yoon Suk Yeol government launched this time.Ma is a problem that has been linked to the issue of the director of the North Korean Human Rights Foundation and has not been appointed, but it is now being pursued separately. If we push ahead, will the Democratic Party also actively cooperate?

[Paphyun]
Of course the Democratic Party is. But how will Yoon Suk Yeol accept the issue in the presidential office in Yongsan? I'm sure you'll find it very unpleasant. As a countermeasure to solve the problem of First Lady Kim Gun-hee, who is at the center of the problem, I said, "Yes, I should be an inspector." There are two things.

First of all, Yongsan must feel very bad. But from the public's point of view, he still hasn't come to his senses. There must be such a problem that it will be solved with that much, but from CEO Han Dong-hoon's point of view, it would be the best choice to make a proposal with that much choice now, at the current level. Even so, representative Han Dong-hoon will accept what kind of special prosecution, and he won't be able to go in this way, right?

[Anchor]
I see. The next keyword is the same issue. I'll look at it and go. I'm an amateur. Kim Tae-heum, governor of Chungcheongnam-do, a pro-Yoon-gye affiliated with the People's Power. Targeting yesterday's dinner meeting between representative Han and his close circle, he directly said, "I feel so amateurish and frustrated in many ways."

He was a former secretary of the presidential office, pro-Yoon Gye-in. Representative Kang Myung-gu also raised the level of criticism against representative Han. Let's listen to Kang's voice.

[Kang Myung-gu / Member of the People's Power (KBS Radio 'Sudden Current Affairs of Go Seong-guk'): Our party members and supporters did not set up Han Dong-hoon to ruin the president. This is our party that experienced impeachment. We have to think about the nature of the ruling party. We have to stick together and block this. It's full of suspicions. What's revealed? We're close now. By the way, where is there a close friend in the world? I have 108 seats now. ]

[Anchor]
Pro-Yoon-gye lawmakers are now speaking out little by little, but Kang Myung-gu is speaking out a lot. Governor Kim Tae-heum also talked about it. I talked about it today, but I look like an amateur. We couldn't play it because we didn't have a recording, but Governor Kim Tae-heum pointed out that representative Han Dong-hoon is like an amateur in the process of meeting with President Yoon Suk Yeol and demanding a private meeting.

[Kim Jaewon]
And he also had a private meeting, judged that there were various problems that day, and had a dinner with close lawmakers the next day. I called it all amateurish. In the past, when President Yoon Suk Yeol and Representative Han Dong-hoon have a strained relationship like this, I think it would be better to order harmony and resolve the conflict rather than attack from the side. Governor Kim Tae-heum's position was bitter in my opinion, but CEO Han Dong-hoon called him.

[Anchor]
I heard CEO Han Dong-hoon called.

[Kim Jaewon]
He called and protested against criticism, and asked if it was that bad, and he said, "It's not a bad word, it's a bad word, it's a curse." He said, "How can a party member use such a word to the party leader?" and said, "This is an amateur." In fact, a party member can criticize the party leader, not criticize him.

I said that Han Dong-hoon was an amateur when he said he had that view, but in fact, the president, not the party leader, cursed behind the scenes and criticized him from the front, didn't many people? So that's the purpose, but now I'm all emotional, so I think it's better to refrain a little.

[Anchor]
You know Governor Kim Tae-heum, right?

[Paphyun] I know it well.

[Anchor]
You know it well. However, he also said that he called him about Han's recent moves. They say I look like an amateur, what do you think?

[Paphyun]
With this problem, we meet Governor Kim Tae-heum in the provinces, and we meet often in Chungcheongnam-do, and we talk a lot about this and that at the event. To be honest, when I was 19th, I joined the standing committee of the Land, Infrastructure and Transport Committee, and at that time, I was also a floor spokesman. Governor Kim Tae-heum is very frustrated to talk about this.

However, CEO Han Dong-hoon said that he made a complaint call asking if it was possible because he heard Kim's comment now, so he just said what he had been saying before. Another thing I've always said to Governor Kim Tae-heum. We have a long-awaited dream in Chungcheong, but we haven't achieved it all so far, but JP and Lee Wan-gu have not been able to achieve it. However, as the governor of Chungcheongnam-do, he should leave the party and dream of becoming Chungcheong-daemang.

Look at the mayor of Hong Joon Pyo. Even when I go down to the countryside like that, I'm making a voice toward the center of Hoshi-Tam, and I'm urging him to keep sending messages about what he's doing now. You must have wanted to make various voices of that individual. I usually have a lot of frustrating thoughts like this.

[Anchor]
And it was yesterday. President Yoon visited Beomeosa Temple in Busan. He said he would find Beomeosa Temple in Busan and get hit even if he threw a stone. There are many difficult situations, but I also used the expression that I think of it as karma. If I decide, I won't work. He said he would get hit even if he threw a stone. What does it mean?

[Paphyun]
I understand what you mean, but in this situation, I think it's time to show the president's leadership and leadership through inclusion rather than those words. Sometimes you have to show your will to solve this problem well with such a strong will.

But now, I know the purpose, but I don't think it's the right time. Now, isn't Kim Gun-hee's problem a big part of this conflict anyway? As a result, the problems related to the president and the president's family are mainly what the problem is. Then, I thought it was necessary to send such a message, which can be seen when the president shows a strong will, but this time, it is necessary to embrace it a little bit and take steps to give comfort, comfort, and hope to the people.

[Anchor]
Supreme Council member Kim Jae-won said, "I will go even if President Yoon gets stoned.

[Kim Jaewon]
But the president is the head of state and a symbol of the Republic of Korea. Even if you are in a little difficult situation, you are the representative of the Republic of Korea and have an infinite responsibility to solve the safety of the Korean people and all the difficulties of the Korean people, and I don't want you to express that if you throw a stone, you will be hit.

Rather than that, I will take the lead in solving this problem, so please watch. But I need some time. And even if the president disagrees at all or some agree, some disagree, or fully agree, through what representative Han Dong-hoon has made. Regardless of that, I think the president should take the lead in solving this problem and the president should give such faith to the people.

And the problem that's open right now is not karma. Of course, I understand the purpose of what I said to be karma, I think it's not my karma that made this relationship, considering my relationship with CEO Han Dong-hoon, but the current problem is that karma is what I did wrong in the past. Furthermore, it means that it is a problem that is now open due to my fault in the past life, and the karma means a problem that cannot be solved in general.

[Anchor]
Fate, fate is accepted like this.

[Kim Jaewon]
It's my destiny rather than destiny. When I say that this is a problem that I have to put up with and endure, it's called karma, but this is not karma. Since it is a problem that the president can actively and proactively solve, I don't think it's a stone or a karma, but just give the people a little time. Then I'll solve all this problem. I think it's a much better way to instill such faith.

[Anchor]
I see. Thank you both for your comments. Let's continue to hear from the opposition. Please show us the next keyword. The next keyword is courage. Supreme Council member Kim Min-seok spoke. The Democratic Party of Korea has proposed a third independent counsel law for Kim Gun-hee and is pressuring the ruling party, but Supreme Council member Kim said to encourage his close circle. I'll listen to it myself.

[Kim Min-seok / Supreme Council member of the Democratic Party of Korea (CBS Radio 'Kim Hyun-jung's News Show'): If you look at it normally, it would be good for the country to pass the independent counsel Kim Gun-hee, regardless of the ruling and opposition parties. I'm a little sorry if people who are close to each other gathered, but shouldn't we do a "giggle" if a person has belly fat? In this situation. I want CEO Han Dong-hoon to do something. Not a third, but a fourth. So I hope you all have some courage. I'd like to recommend you to pick the fourth or fifth one. ]

[Anchor]
Supreme Council member Kim Min-seok asked me to be brave.

[Paphyun]
It may feel like you're fanning a house on fire, but the term politician contains various messages, so it can be. Anyway, please tell CEO Han Dong-hoon to show a new forward-looking attitude toward the Special Prosecutor's Law for Kim Gun-hee. So, Supreme Council member Kim Jae-won said earlier that the special prosecution law issued by the Democratic Party is anti-constitutional, which is good.

If that's the case, shouldn't we make a compromise with the Democratic Party of Korea by submitting a third-party special prosecutor that representative Han Dong-hoon talked about before the general election, and a proposal containing the people's power and the thoughts of representative Han Dong-hoon?

So I think it's not a good attitude in Congress to say that if you don't have the power of the people and do what the Democratic Party thinks, it's anti-constitutional and unacceptable.

That's why CEO Han Dong-hoon should present this delayed homework on the Kim Gun-hee Special Prosecutor Act and the Chae Sang-byung Special Prosecutor Act. It means that we are prepared and prepared to think forward.

[Anchor]
The Democratic Party of Korea has been talking about the third-party independent counsel law even when representative Han Dong-hoon ran in the primary. However, wasn't the Democratic Party's position so far that Han Dong-hoon's third-party independent counsel law was unacceptable?

[Paphyun]
That's what I'm saying. It's not acceptable to each other, so we have to put it out to each other and put it out to each other.

[Anchor]
Are you changing your position?

[Paphyun]
For now, a representative meeting is scheduled.

[Anchor]
First, propose it, whether it's a third-party special prosecutor law or a fourth-party special prosecutor law.

[Paphyun]
So, it would be better for the Democratic Party of Korea to take a half step forward through concessions rather than going out of anything at this time. If you look at CEO Han Dong-hoon's position now, he is in that position, and that's why we're seeing a gap where those things can be agreed upon.

[Anchor]
Will the third-party independent counsel act speed up a bit? I'll give you the news that just came in. I think it's in the presidential office. An official from the presidential office met with reporters today and is showing them in subtitles. That's how I expressed it. He also expressed that it is a serious political situation. In particular, the issue of the party recommended by the special inspector will be appointed if the ruling and opposition parties agree. This was the existing position.

[Paphyun]
That's always the chief spokesman during the Moon Jae In government, and that's always the answer. It's a protocol that I always talk about.

[Anchor]
And he also revealed that CEO Han Dong-hoon said before Lee Jae-myung's first trial that public suspicions regarding Kim Gun-hee should be resolved. President Yoon has already said enough about that in the meeting, the president's office said. In addition, he has already said all the answers to the fact that the representative told him to answer YES or NO instead of adapting it, explaining the results of the talks as they are.

The presidential office's position came out to tell me what part of the distortion was. Representative Han Dong-hoon publicly demanded it, but the president's office again refuted it.

[Kim Jaewon]
Why did they have such a one-on-one conversation with each other when they refuted and refuted each other? If you made a public request before that and received the answer, then you should develop a new situation about it, but you are now neglected, don't distort my words again. And if the president's office explains it, CEO Han Dong-hoon will get a message again. If this happens, many people will be disappointed and despair about the ruling party now.

In that sense, they say that the government and the government should unite, but I really hope so. And the Supreme Council member Kim Min-seok said earlier, I'm grateful that he talked about martial law not long ago and he's giving advice to our party that is about to declare martial law, but I don't think he's going to listen to it.

Anyway, the real concern is that this situation where the party leader and the president's office continue to talk about each other's positions to the media, I hope this will be stopped soon. I'd rather stay still now, both sides. Everyone knows anyway. I know what you claimed, so if it's not something to solve the problem one by one, I don't think it's a situation to just mention each other and say who did well and who did wrong.

[Anchor]
I explained earlier about the recommendation of the special inspector, but I would like to say that I will appoint him if the ruling and opposition parties agree, and I once again expressed my previous position that I think this is a problem for the party. Regarding the independent counsel law, President Yoon Suk Yeol expressed that there is nothing we can do if a member of our party stands in the opposition party's position.

[Kim Jaewon]
In the reason why the president said that now, representative Han Dong-hoon met with about 30 lawmakers and persuaded them. I've tried to persuade him so far, but I don't know what's going to happen in the future.
In the case of exercising the right to reject
[Anchor]
The last independent counsel law, four votes left, so if more than 200 votes pass, it could be a re-decision, so you talked about the concern during the meeting the day before yesterday, and President Yoon mentioned it in the process, right?

[Kim Jaewon]
So, we don't know the details, but it's roughly like that. We can't know what nuances and terms were used at the time, so we can't know the exact atmosphere.

[Anchor]
To explain a little more, if our lawmakers take the same position as the constitutional opposition party, I can't help it, but I believe in our party members.

[Kim Jaewon]
So that's what the president said, but in the previous stage, CEO Han Dong-hoon said, "I'm just trying hard to block this, but it might be hard to block it well, so please do this."We don't know at all whether he said, "I've stopped him now, but I may not be able to stop him if he doesn't listen to me." Also, we don't know how the other president accepted it. But I trust our party members to respond to those words, but we can't move on because you're saying that. I don't know if I just did it, but I think it's...

[Anchor]
I don't know the exact nuance.

[Kim Jaewon]
You can't tell. But anyway, I don't think there's been a good conversation between the two of you. And wasn't it a situation where the issue of the Kim Gun-hee independent counsel law was quite hurtful? And it's nothing else, and we don't know if Yoon Suk Yeol's wife and Yoon Suk Yeol's wife have given way on this issue, and if the head of the ruling party went and informed me to take care of it because I might not move as the president thought, or if we shared this concern.

[Anchor]
I see. The presidential office has just made a statement regarding the special inspector.

[Paphyun]
So the special inspector system doesn't mean anything. So it's something that I've been saying to the media for a long time, so it's not something that should be meaningful.

[Anchor]
During the Moon Jae In government, the opposition party also mentioned this issue.

[Kim Jaewon]
But I have a completely different opinion on this issue. It doesn't mean anything, it's not that. At that time, the ruling and opposition parties couldn't agree because the Democratic Party refused, but this time, it's a completely different matter because representative Han Dong-hoon now says he will be a special inspector.

[Paphyun]
I know that. How can you not know that? However, if you look at the message from the presidential office, it means that this problem doesn't mean much in this matter now. And what came out of the presidential office today is a clear reorganization of what representative Han Dong-hoon said he rejects.

That's why the two of you just talked to each other about the special prosecutor. But even though it's one line at a time, the president's office is very disappointed when you look at the lines. And from there, political power is not seen at all between the representative of the ruling party and the president.

I don't know how to interpret it because we don't know how to interpret it because we don't know the situation, but from that line, I can feel that the president is very disappointed. But on that important point, at least unfortunately, I think that there should have been such conversations between the two of you that show some political power.

[Anchor]
I see. I want to hear more, but I'm done with time, so I'll stop here. Thank you for your words, both of you. Kim Jae-won, the supreme council member of the People's Power, and Park Soo-hyun, a member of the Democratic Party of Korea. Thank you.