[News NIGHT] The ruling party's 'special inspector' disagreement..."Promotion" vs. "Internal Affairs".

■ Host: anchor Sung Moon-gyu
■ Starring: former Saenuri Party lawmaker Chung Ok-im, former Democratic Party lawmaker Shin Kyung-min

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[Anchor]
It's a focus night time to point out the news of political interest. Today, we will be joined by former Saenuri Party member Chung Ok-im and former Democratic Party member Shin Kyung-min. Hello, both of you. After the meeting between President Yoon and Representative Han Dong-hoon, the aftermath within the ruling party has not subsided. This time, a large temperature difference was detected over the special inspector recommendation procedure. Let's listen to what he said.

[Han Dong-hoon / Representative of People's Power: The results of the trial on the alleged crimes of the Minjoo Party will be released from November 15th, right? What should we look like then? It must be in a state of resolving the public's demands regarding First Lady Kim Gun-hee. I also told the President that I would actually proceed with the recommendation process of the special inspector during the interview. ]

[Choo Kyung-ho / People's Power Floor Leader: (You mean there was no discussion beforehand? ) Yes, it's the first time I've heard it from the side. This is a parliamentary decision-making process and a floor issue. The floor's top decision-making body is a general meeting of lawmakers. And the chairman is the floor leader.... I don't think that the sentence of representative Lee Jae-myung and the decision-making part of the special inspector should be completed. I would like to naturally gather (opinions) before the sentencing date, and if you need more time than that, it may take more time, I say. ]


[Anchor]
As you all know, the issue of the special inspector is an issue that representative Han Dong-hoon directly demanded from President Yoon Suk Yeol at the meeting. However, two days after the interview, I brought this up again publicly. Was it because I didn't hear a quick answer? What do you think?

[Nice]
In fact, the three major demands were publicly presented even before the interview, but in the end, they were rejected. In such a situation, in fact, it is quite politically burdensome for representative Han Dong-hoon to accept the special prosecution as the representative of the ruling party. So, in reality, I think it is a compromise that the Office of the President accepts the special inspector system and at least has a set of controls on the matter of Mrs. However, in the process of not receiving a cool answer, how much do you talk about the format and content related to the interview? In that situation, we have once again taken out the card called the Special Inspector.

[Anchor]
But to talk about the special inspector, this shows that a bill was proposed about 10 years ago. But there was a special inspector in the middle of it, and the vacancy has been going on for a long time.

[nervous]
So this is a long time ago, and during the Moon Jae In government, it was completely vacant. During the Park Geun Hye government, there was a special inspector, but the problem with the special inspector occurred and this was noisy. As prosecutor Lee Seok-soo quit and left, it was also vacant during the Park Geun Hye government. At the same time, the North Korean Human Rights Foundation problem arose again at the time, rather than the ruling and opposition parties having a special inspector problem. These two have completely different personalities, but suddenly, problems with different personalities have been tied together.

[Anchor]
How is that different between the ruling and opposition parties now? With the issue of whether to launch the North Korean Human Rights Foundation or not, the ruling and opposition parties became very fierce at the time, and the situation of not recommending a permanent director of the foundation at all dragged on, and this was intertwined with the issue of the special inspector. So, the two have completely different personalities, and this situation has been tied up for a long time until now, so if you solve this, I'll solve this. But CEO Han Dong-hoon has raised three issues, but all of them have been rejected. The secret issue is to bring something clear, but this is to do it for you if you bring an indictment or an arrest warrant, but it's the same as saying you won't do this. It means that if we have an organizational life, we won't do it if our superiors refuse to do this. I also told you to stop the suspension of the schedule, but I still restrained myself while talking about self-restraint, but I said I would make you to refrain more, so this was also rejected. a handling problem The problem of dealing with Mrs. Kim's various problems is the problem of the special inspector, which I mentioned just now, but it will eventually come down to what to do with the special prosecutor's problem. So, the special inspector issue is probably talked about by CEO Han Dong-hoon on the spot, so we have to overcome this and then talk about the special prosecutor issue and take a two-step approach like this. However, the problem of the special inspector is that, as we heard in Sink today, we need to overcome the cold war to eventually overcome Yoon Dae-yeol, which is also a two-step approach. So, if floor leader Choo Kyung-ho is holding the brake so hard, it doesn't seem that easy for the representative to overcome it.

[Anchor]
First of all, in the case of a special inspector, it is a difficult issue to accept from the ruling party's point of view because it is a matter of monitoring the president's relatives and inspecting public officials above the chief secretary in the presidential office. It was the same in the government of Moon Jae In. However, in the case of the North Korean Human Rights Foundation, in the case of the Democratic Party, it is difficult to accept this considering inter-Korean relations. However, Chairman Han Dong-hoon said again today, "Without such preconditions, we should pursue a special inspector whether the Democratic Party accepts the North Korean Human Rights Foundation or not." That's what I said.

[Nice]
Of course, it is important to launch the North Korean Human Rights Foundation, but isn't it strange to link this with the special inspector system, which inspects the president's relatives and people in major positions in the presidential office? Essentially, the president or the person in power does not prefer the special inspector system to operate. Therefore, despite the fact that the special inspector system is operated under the Special Inspector Act, didn't President Moon Jae In just end his term without a special inspector? And in the case of President Yoon Suk Yeol, this is appointed and linked to the director of the North Korean Human Rights Foundation as the Yoon administration enters. The opposition party is also funny because it has set up a foundation on human rights issues and the opposition party wants to recommend a director, but isn't it the same as not doing it now after looking at North Korea? However, since the ruling party's status, not to mention the president's approval rating, is falling badly due to the issue of First Lady Kim Gun-hee, that doesn't mean we can accept the special prosecution right now, does it? So, some in the ruling party say that it might be better for the prosecution to judge the prosecution in relation to Deutsche's stock price manipulation last time. Therefore, I think that if the special inspector system is in operation, the public's anger can be quelled and the opposition's pressure on the special prosecution can be buffered to some extent. Floor leader Choo Kyung-ho is taking the lead in calling this the floor leader's issue and putting the brakes on it. So everyone says there's a problem with the lady's problem, but I won't do anything, what's the problem? I can't even do activities because I'm lying down. It's coming out like this.

[Anchor]
I wonder if the introduction of the special inspector system will solve the problem, but I wonder if he would have brought up this system.

[Nice]
In addition, presidents who have power over the special inspector system have no choice but to react allergicly to the special inspector system. Didn't special inspector Lee Seok-soo collide while trying to investigate Woo Byung-woo, senior presidential secretary for civil affairs, during the Park Geun Hye administration? As a result, I think there is a deeper concern than we think that everything can surface and look into the special inspector.

[Anchor]
Both of you were on the floor. Floor leader Choo Kyung-ho, as you said earlier, this is the floor issue, and it should be decided through a general meeting of lawmakers, so representative Han Dong-hoon proposed it publicly and said he would pursue it anyway.

[nervous]
Formally speaking, floor leader Choo Kyung-ho is right. In practice, however, the party leader is not saying, "Don't get involved in the floor." Floor leader Choo Kyung-ho is not right again. The party leader is the leader in all important matters. The floor leader is a subordinate of that. That's why I'm going to separate the floor leader and the party leader like this because they're different from each other, so you're me, I'm me. We're making a distinction like this. I'm actually saying I shouldn't do this. On that Monday night, I can't think of it as an interview, but the president's office says it's an interview, but I think it's a Yoon Han interview. I think I heard from the discipline room, but why would I suddenly call floor leader Choo Kyung-ho to dinner after this? I'm sure they're all here to talk about this.

[Anchor]
Do you think they've talked about the special inspector?

[nervous]
That's right. CEO Han Dong-hoon said that he talked about the special inspector system. People in the presidential office must have been very curious at the dinner where floor leader Choo Kyung-ho joined belatedly because he said he talked about it at the meeting that day, and he probably came up with this solution. It's very likely that he reported in the tone of "Don't worry" because this can't go a step further. If you do this, you can't go out. If you can't do this, CEO Han Dong-hoon will have to think about what to do next step. If floor leader Choo Kyung-ho hit this much today, he declared that he would not do this. You can't go out of this.

[Anchor]
So, in that spot on the screen right now, representative Han Dong-hoon talked about the special inspector system, and President Yoon Suk Yeol said he would do it if the ruling and opposition parties agreed and sent him back.

[nervous]
The various procedures have been decided, and if CEO Han Dong-hoon formalizes his story, let's do this. I'm not sure I wrote the scenario in detail, but this is how it goes. In this way, CEO Han Dong-hoon talks about the deadline of the 15th. So, within 15 days, the 3rd Kim Gun-hee Special Prosecutor Act will come anyway, so we have to move on like this. That's not the main topic of CEO Han Dong-hoon's talk. However, since CEO Han Dong-hoon has already pressed the brakes hard today so that he can't go out in this procedure, how the confrontation will develop until the 15th seems to be the point to watch.

[Anchor]
It's the day after the interview. Didn't close lawmakers gather at Yeouido restaurant with CEO Han Dong-hoon? So, this issue has been spreading considerably since the interview to pro- and pro-yoon factional conflicts, and Chungcheongnam-do Governor Kim Tae-heum also said, "What kind of factional boss is this? He said I look like an amateur. Does this continue to be factional conflict? What do you think?

[Nice]
So I think Governor Kim Tae-heum is talking about criticizing CEO Han Dong-hoon. Are you a factional boss? But doesn't the same thing come out even if you substitute this for the president of Yoon Suk Yeol? Isn't it because as soon as the interview was over, he called the floor leader and had dinner with his aides in the presidential office? Then what kind of factional boss are you? It's so amateurish and frustrating to do it. For example, you didn't call a representative and enter the president's office, but what kind of fine glass? Let them wait for a long time there. Aren't there a lot of talks about the format and content? That in itself shows that I'm feeling quite unpleasant right now. Until now, regardless of domestic and foreign politicians, even if the leaders of the communist and liberal democracies met in the past, they met each other with a smile, and they had all the basic protocols. There's never a case where you show something like, "I don't like you." So even to me, as Governor Kim Tae-heum says, both sides seem amateur. That's why I was so sad when I came here, but I want you to show me something like this because the bowl is much bigger than you. And since representative Han Dong-hoon met with the twenty-two lawmakers he wanted, isn't he criticizing both sides? That's why people are talking about this, and if they do that, will they say it from a public standpoint? Everyone has their own political understanding. If you look here, the mayor of Hong Joon Pyo also met with the president and criticized representative Han Dong-hoon. But there is a reason why these people criticize Han Dong-hoon. Because politics is a local election in about two years. And then the presidential election will come out soon. Then, why not simply calculate that there is no need to pretend to be in power now when there is no separate seed for the so-called Queen's funeral? In that situation, these reactions come out.

[nervous]
If I add one more word to that, the president goes to Geumjeong-gu, Busan, goes to Beomeosa Temple to talk about various things, and one of the representatives says he's not a faction, but he's a member of the faction. This is not the appearance of a bold politician who thinks of the country and the people on both sides. Going to Geumjeong and talking like this is Geumjeong's victory this time.

[Anchor]
I said I'd keep going even if I got stoned.

[nervous]
That's right. It's also meaningful to say that. If you look at Geumjeong-gu's table analysis, it's almost the same as it was when he became president last time. So CEO Han Dong-hoon won Geumjeong-gu this time. The head of the National Power Party, which was pushed by Han Dong-hoon, faced various difficulties. Despite the fact that the unification of candidates became the opposition party, you may have tried hard to win by the previous number of votes, but it shows that it was because of me, and it is similar that representative Han gathered factions and had dinner in Yeouido. So it's not a big bowl. We have to talk about this.

[Anchor]
Then let's see how the opposition party sees this meeting and what plans they have after the meeting. Representative Lee Jae-myung first evaluated the meeting between President Yoon and representative Han. In addition, the second meeting between the ruling and opposition parties is drawing attention, so let's listen to the related remarks.

[Lee Jae-myung / Democratic Party of Korea leader: Politics is probably very frustrating to the public recently, and they even say that this politics is like a gang fight of backstreets. If you remove your opponent or ignore their existence at all, it becomes a fight, not politics. Let's find a way for politics to be restored again. ]

[Han Min-soo / Spokesperson for the Democratic Party of Korea: During the closed-door session, Lee Jae-myung instructed his chief of staff to discuss the agenda, timing, and method related to the party's leadership meeting with Han Dong-hoon. ]

[Anchor]
First, CEO Lee Jae-myung. In fact, he criticized Yoon Han's interview, which ended empty-handed, which was aimed at President Yoon rather than representative Han. This interpretation came out. How did you like it?

[Nice]
If you look here, it's like a gang fight between the backstreets. While listening to the expression "That's the back alley," many people think it's funny that CEO Lee Jae-myung says that. What spokesman Han Min-soo said here was ordered by CEO Lee Jae-myung. We're talking about this while we're announcing it publicly. If Korea is a liberal democratic country now, you shouldn't use honorifics like this when you say that your party leader instructed you to do something in public. The people are the owners, but if you look at this itself, you can clearly see who the leaders of the back alley are. Then, as if he were talking about in-laws, he would say that a dog with something on it is blaming a dog with something on it, but as the anchor asked, it could be a statement aimed at President Yoon. And they may think that it couldn't be better now because they fight on their own like they're blowing their noses without touching their hands, and their approval ratings are going down on their own. But then there is a representative meeting between the ruling and opposition parties. One thing representative Han should be careful about here is that the special prosecutor will be talking about Kim. Then, CEO Lee Jae-myung may expect more people's power to be accepted even after completing the independent counsel proposal they proposed, but if it falls under that number, Han will be completely trapped in the so-called traitor frame. That's why I have to make it clear that the reason for raising the issue of Mrs. Kim is related to the support of the party and the president and the existence of a conservative party. That's why you don't meet with 20 people who support you, but there are 108 lawmakers floating in the middle. So, we should actively persuade them and the party should not go out like this. People who have become lawmakers now have become constituencies that support the people at any time, but not all of them are in that region. I want to tell you that you have to persuade that.

[Anchor]
So, the two representatives met at the event today. When we met, Chairman Lee Jae-myung asked Chairman Han Dong-hoon to see us, he decided to tell the party. Since you said you wanted to see us, don't you mean you just ordered it like that?

[nervous]
I said it was an interview earlier, but I suggested it right before the interview and suggested a meeting between the ruling and opposition parties, and this time is very exquisite. The fact that Yongsan was very unpleasant because of the acceptance at that time.

[Anchor]
the day of the meeting with the president

[Nervous]
Just before the interview. It's 4:30 a.m., and I proposed it in the morning and received it right away, but as CEO Han Dong-hoon, there is a way to explain it. If you do this after the interview, the position is different, so let's just accept it. Anyway, Yongsan will feel bad about the immediate acceptance. But looking at this interview at 4:30 that day, it's really an insulting protocol that the backstreets do. The textbook of offensive protocol probably appeared this time.

[Anchor]
In what way did you see it like that?

[nervous]
In the end, you can't go anywhere near the presidential office, sit in a restaurant, listen to the discipline chief or get interrogated by the prosecutor, and you can't even see CEO Han Dong-hoon's front under the name of exclusive coverage. If you look at the protocol one by one, it is true that Lee Jae-myung is the representative of the back alley. However, as Representative Chung said, it should be accepted by Representative Lee Jae-myung as to whether he is qualified to make such criticism, even if he is someone else. The problem will eventually be the independent counsel. The issue of the special inspector within November 15th is very difficult to proceed with if CEO Choo Kyung-ho holds the brake hard like this. Therefore, in the end, the special prosecutor's question will inevitably come out, and it is the day before November 15th that we will vote with the special prosecutor. If that happens, the ruling and opposition parties will have to gather to talk about the special prosecution bill and the bill by the day before. If this happens, CEO Han Dong-hoon's ordeal will not actually be a matter of a special inspector, but will be the content of the special prosecutor.

[Anchor]
So the two representatives are talking about it as early as the end of this month or early November. The two representatives will meet and mainly talk about the First Lady Kim's Special Counsel Act.

[nervous]
Without talking about that, if the two representatives can't move on from this meeting. The biggest issue will be the contents of the Special Prosecutor Act.

[Anchor]
I see. Of course, I think that's going to come out. Regarding the issue of the special inspector, representative Han Dong-hoon presented his opinion publicly, and the president told him to take care of it, and the National Assembly told him to do so. But it's also blocked within the ruling party.

[nervous]
However, it doesn't seem that easy for representative Han Dong-hoon to break through this because floor leader Choo Kyung-ho is holding a brake that is very strong and has very good brake performance.

[Anchor]
What will CEO Lee Jae-myung say?

[nervous]
We have to go over two hurdles because we can say, "You have to bring a single plan within the ruling party so that we can talk about it with us." As for the special inspector issue, we have to go over two hurdles. This is an inevitable card for CEO Han Dong-hoon, but it's not an easy card.

[Nice]
However, the person who linked the special inspector to the director of the North Korean Human Rights Foundation was the Yoon administration. If so, the National Assembly tells you to solve it, and the ruling party seems to stick to it, but the key is held by the president of Yoon Suk Yeol. But when the leaders of the ruling and opposition parties meet this time, of course, Lee Jae-myung will talk about the special prosecution. Then, we need a political gesture to open our breath in relation to the special inspector in order to take out what to say about the special prosecutor's story. Therefore, the fact that representative Han Dong-hoon proposed a special inspector system may be a form of throwing a life jacket to President Yoon Suk Yeol. So if you accept this, right? If you accept it, when the leaders of the ruling and opposition parties meet and insist on an independent counsel, Lee Jae-myung. So there's something to say that you're trying to do this while accepting the special inspector. But if you don't even accept that.

[Anchor]
So CEO Han Dong-hoon wants to live together, but the president's office doesn't accept it like that.

[Nice]
That's right. I personally think that's frustrating because I'm not accepting it. So right now, floor leader Choo is in Daegu. So, rather than any political or political sense, this is my personal opinion, so I might be wrong, but I don't think this person is his own. He's putting up a barrier like this. [Anchor] I think we're going to talk about this endlessly, so I think we should talk about the Democratic Party one last time. The Democratic Party held a meeting with the authors of the book criticizing the prosecution's investigation. As you all know, in November, Lee Jae-myung's first trial will be held next month. At the same time, the ruling plan headquarters was launched and the first meeting was held today. How do you read these overall trends, these movements of the Democratic Party?

[nervous]
For the current Democratic Party of Korea, it is a story that goes back inside the National Power Party. In particular, Yoon Han interview on Monday, which you don't know if it's an interview, is a very pleasant phenomenon to watch. So, it's a committee that's already been floated because everything's going well even if you stay in the stands and the Democratic Party's approval rating is good. Since the prosecution's anti-dictatorship committee and the ruling plan headquarters have already been launched, just by showing that they opened them once in a while and opened them like this, you can gain trust from the people for now. It's very good because I can show you that the house over there is different from my house. And it's a matter of judges, so it's very cautious for Democrats. The quality is different from fighting with prosecutors and fighting with judges. So when CEO Lee Jae-myung goes in to face trial, he doesn't say a word about the judges. He probably saw the prosecution several times just talking about it and going in. That's how difficult it is to fight the court, the judge, or the judiciary. Talking about various things at the Prosecution's Dictatorship Committee is one of the very good ways to create the justification that when the sentence came out on November 15th and 25th, it was only a judgment based on the prosecution's frame.

[Anchor]
In fact, we talked a lot about Kim Gun-hee in October, even in political talks like this. But if we move on to November, will it be Lee Jae-myung's time? I'm preparing for that. Should I look at it like this? How do you see it?

[Nice]
Probably, the conviction will not shake the status of Chairman Lee Jae-myung in the party, but in his mind, he will always manage his bold expression, but in fact, at a time when his supporters have no choice but to shake, isn't the prosecution continuing to claim that the prosecution is bent on killing Lee Jae-myung? In the end, representative Lee Jae-myung also did a perjury teacher to help the prosecution try to kill Lee Jae-myung, and he said false facts about Baekhyun-dong. If he is unfair like that, he should judge confidently, but not only is he pushing for impeachment of the prosecutor, but he is not stopping at the prosecutor. Even the judges come out to the National Assembly today and stop pressuring the judges. I think it's very political tyranny because the Democratic Party of Korea had the upper hand in numbers to the extent that it said,
If you do this, will we have a neutral and balanced trial? As a result, in the end, I think that Lee Jae-myung's bulletproof and bulletproof peaks are moving like a single body with Lee Jae-myung's administration, emphasizing the issue of Kim Gun-hee, the painful link of the ruling party.

[Anchor]
I think time is very short today, but we'll stop listening to you two today. He was joined by former Saenuri Party lawmaker Chung Ok-im and former Democratic Party lawmaker Shin Kyung-min. Thank you.