[Politics ON] Han Dong-hoon "Special Inspector is a presidential election pledge" vs. Chin-yoon "internal dispute, corresponding action"

■ Host: Anchor Kim Youngsoo Kim
■ Starring: Park Yong-chan, Chairman of the People's Power, Yeongdeungpo-eul, Political Critic Kim Sang-il

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[Anchor]
Beyond the conflict between the ruling and opposition parties, the conflict within the ruling party. Let's start <Politics On> looking at the outside and inside of politics. Today, I will give you a sharp analysis of the power of the people, Yeongdeungpo, with the chairman of the party's cooperation committee and political commentator Kim Sang-il. Please come in. Hello. Please show us the first keyword. It's a parallel line. Representative Han Dong-hoon's announcement that he would pursue a special inspector continues to run parallel with floor leader Choo Kyung-ho. The party's internal conflict has been ongoing for three days, and it has been decided at the general meeting of the lawmakers. In this regard, former lawmaker Kim Sung-tae even expressed that if the special inspection goes to a vote, it will be over. Let's listen to it.

[Anchor]
If it goes to a vote, it could be over. Kim Sung-tae, a former lawmaker, and even a former floor leader. I'm quite concerned. The situation within the party has been in conflict for three days, but it is intensifying. That's the situation, right?

[Park Yongchan]
That's right, former lawmaker Kim Sung-tae used the expression, "It's over." It may be a bit extreme, but we have to take a close look at it in the overall context. Indeed, the anxious situation is being repeated every day. After the meeting between President Yoon Suk Yeol and Representative Han Dong-hoon, the conflict intensifies, and there is no breakthrough at all. We're also in a very frustrating situation right now. It's a situation where you only sigh, I can tell you.

[Anchor]
I see. Today is not the time for Kim Ki-hyun, the former chairman of the party, to fight for supremacy within the party. While talking like that, he pointed out that it would be the act of corresponding targeting CEO Han Dong-hoon. What do you think about that?

[Park Yongchan]
From the former CEO Kim Ki-hyun's point of view, CEO Han Dong-hoon's actions will not be very easy. In particular, wouldn't CEO Han Dong-hoon take out the special inspector card yesterday? They showed a very unpleasant and disapproving position on the Special Inspector's card, but what concerns us may differ on any policy or issue. However, differences in opinions and ideas are now progressing to emotional confrontation, and this emotional confrontation is already becoming a factional fight. I'll say that's the most worrisome part.

[Anchor]
I see. What do you think of critic Kim Sang Il? Opinions within the party may differ. Are the party leaders and floor leaders so different?

[Kim Sang Il]
When you disagree, the most valid thing is the criteria. The standard can't be a double standard. Isn't the yardstick against the president and the yardstick against the party leader too different? For example, if the party leader wants to make a suggestion to the president, he should discuss it behind closed doors first. Why make it public? But what did floor leader Choo Kyung-ho do? As soon as you came out of the meeting room of the Supreme Council, you said, "I'm the one who does all the floor matters." It could be a little upsetting. CEO Han Dong-hoon didn't discuss it in advance, so it feels bad to hear it on the spot. Then you have to take a break and discuss this with me in private.

[Anchor]
There was no need to do it so publicly. I did it publicly in front of the reporters.

[Kim Sang-il]
Yes, but CEO Han Dong-hoon says, "Why do you do that to the media, something that can be solved by talking behind closed doors?" But CEO Han Dong-hoon always says this. I tried many channels behind closed doors, but they all hit the wall, so I did it like this. They say that they wouldn't have tried. So what's the biggest question now? The standard of looking at things is too much of a double standard. Look at the standards of former CEO Kim Ki-hyun. How many times do I criticize the Democrats wrong here? So what does the Democratic Party say? Why does he split up properly? Why do you put your hat in there with the same logic as the power of the people? They attack me like this, right? in a rigid support layer What's the difference? If you have different opinions, there is a procedure for gathering those opinions. If it doesn't work after a debate, vote on it, or if it doesn't work there, ask all party members about their intentions. There are systems and procedures to solve such problems, and the problem is that they attack it because they have different ideas from them with their own standards, I think this is how it is.

[Anchor]
I see. It is said that the decision will be made at the general meeting of the lawmakers next week. The opinion is that we should not go to a vote at the general meeting of the members. But is it possible to go to a vote? Or is it a matter that the party leader and the floor leader can meet separately and agree on and deal with it? How do you see it?

[Park Yongchan]
First of all, if this goes to a vote in terms of justification, former lawmaker Kim Sung-tae said it was over earlier, but it could lead to a very dangerous situation. In other words, the factional confrontation within the party is completely entrenched, and the entrenched confrontation within the party can eventually lead to a very dangerous situation that also affects the Special Counsel Act. First of all, we shouldn't go to a vote. We have to solve it through conversation. Dialogue and communication are still alive in our party as well. I need to show that I'm living and wriggling. What would happen if we asked for a vote? Aren't you saying you're not going to talk anymore? Missing communication, that can lead to a very dangerous situation. That's what I think. The special inspector card that CEO Han Dong-hoon took out now is a realistic card worth trying, I think so.

[Anchor]
It was a presidential pledge.

[Park Yongchan]
That's right. It was a presidential election pledge. How can we overcome this precarious situation? If a special inspector is brought up at a time when the card is not appropriate, first of all, something is changing in the people's power and the president's office, something is being reformed. We can give such an image. Therefore, we can create such a situation where the Democratic Party cannot just oppose it. That's what I think. The special inspector system is nothing now. It's almost useless, isn't the Democratic Party talking about it like that? That's not true. The Board of Audit and Inspection does not have the right to investigate, but isn't it doing a good job of auditing? The Special Inspector General is also a very effective and powerful card. That's how I see it.

[Anchor]
I see. Right now, the conflicts between the close and the pro-Yoon faction within the party are being revealed in the group chat room of lawmakers, and the same situation was said in the group chat room of the chairman of the party's cooperation committee and the chairman of the outside committee, right?

[Park Yongchan]
Yes, that's true. That's a fact. However, I don't know exactly because I am not in the group chat room of the National Assembly members in the floor. In the Kakao Talk chat room of the chairman of the party's cooperation committee outside the office, there was some conflict with the controversy. It's not such a serious situation as it's being reported now. Let me tell you that one or two or three people are under a lot of stress right now.

[Anchor]
I see. Critic Kim Sang-il, the opposition party also often holds a parliamentary meeting when there is an important issue. Last year, representative Lee Jae-myung held a meeting frequently in the process of handling the arrest motion. However, regarding the special inspector, there are talks within the ruling party that the party could be broken if it votes on this. Do you think so?

[Kim Sang Il]
It can break sugar. Because they're powerful people. So, if a powerful person hits it with force, the force just collides and dents to the point where it can be a little bit of a resilient recovery. It doesn't work like this, but it can be dented or broken at all, of course. When powerful people run into each other. So, if you're going to vote, I think it's one of the ways to keep the party from breaking the party by asking the entire party about their intentions instead of voting by powerful people. That's what I think. Basically, if I look at the power of the people right now, I'm really doing what I'm criticizing the Democratic Party of Korea. They call it unity, and they call it bulletproof to the Democratic Party. I told you earlier. If I make an internal criticism about why you're not united with me, that's what I say. Then, there is a very impressive word that I heard in CEO Han Dong-hoon's most rustic way. What's that? For what, this is it. So unite. Let's get together. What CEO Han Dong-hoon said at this time is that the ruling party and the government are good. But for what purpose are you meeting the government and the government?

[Anchor]
You said that we should go for the people, we should meet.

[Kim Sang Il]
That's right. That's unity for a certain person in power, and then it can be dictatorship, it can be unification, it can be authoritarianism. So there are a lot of good things to say. It's good to cut off branches even when you're doing it, but wouldn't it be violent if you hit a person? So the purpose is very important. However, I think there are too many people who are in a hurry to only fawn over one place blindly, regardless of their purpose.

[Anchor]
CEO Han Dong-hoon went to Daegu today. Even when I went to Daegu, I expressed that there was no unity to avoid the problem. Are you targeting pro-Yoon-gye lawmakers?

[Park Yongchan]
That's how we should look at it. First of all, what I want to say is how can we come up with a solution in the future? I think the solution is that representative Han Dong-hoon should meet floor leader Choo Kyung-ho as soon as possible. before the parliamentary session Therefore, we must persuade or communicate with floor leader Choo Kyung-ho earnestly to introduce a special inspector system now to prevent her from going before going to the special prosecutor's office. And if floor leader Choo Kyung-ho moves his mind to some extent, then floor leader Choo Kyung-ho visits President Yoon Suk Yeol himself. We need to get a special inspector now. Didn't Yoon Suk Yeol's presidential approval rating come out at 20% today? And the presidential office also responded humbly to accept it. Under such circumstances, the current approval rating is 20%. Now, if you cross the Maginot Line, won't you enter the 10% range? If you don't put out a new card before entering like that, you're in a very precarious situation.
So the most realistic way to get President Yoon Suk Yeol to make a decision is, that's what I see.

[Anchor]
So what do you think the exact position of the presidential office is? The presidential office has been linked to the recommendation of North Korean human rights directors, but representative Han Dong-hoon said he would not link it this time. However, the human rights issue in North Korea is a matter of conservative identity. He said it's not a simple matter. What does that mean?

[Park Yongchan]
It's a very important issue. However, is the North Korean Human Rights Foundation more important than the Kim Gun-hee Special Counsel Act or the Special Inspector System in terms of urgency now and the priority of work next? I believe that the presidential office is now talking about the North Korean Human Rights Foundation because of what kind of emotional confrontation and heated state of mind against representative Han Dong-hoon.

[Anchor]
The presidential office's basic position is that it will be appointed if it is recommended after the agreement between the ruling and opposition parties of the special inspector, but he also mentioned that the issue of director of the North Korean Human Rights Foundation is a matter of party identity. How do you accept it?

[Kim Sang Il]
So, since we are in a tight spot, we will stimulate the traditional anti-North Korean sentiment of our conservatives to break through this. I will stimulate that and turn the attention of Mrs. Kim Gun-hee now with this. I think you're thinking like this, but to do that, the issue of Mrs. Kim Gun-hee has become a hot topic in the market too often, and to people right now, how should I say this? I'm sitting in an annoying atmosphere. That's why it's hard to change the atmosphere with that. I heard that the idea came from Yongsan Gookung Palace, but I think how you are still making the Gookung Palace by setting up a tent outside, and I think it's a judgment that you don't know the public sentiment too much.

[Anchor]
I see. In a little while, I'll also analyze the approval rating poll. First, let's look at the next keyword and continue with the political issue. Please show me. It's lawmaker Yoon Sang-hyun. He said it was the door to impeachment, but the Democratic Party of Korea is emphasizing that there is no alternative other than a special prosecutor. However, Rep. Yoon Sang-hyun said that the door to impeachment could be opened if the special prosecution is conducted. I'll listen to it myself.

[Anchor]
Rep. Yoon Sang-hyun said, "If this flows into the political situation of the special prosecution, this could open the door to impeachment again. That's why I said it to the effect that it would be difficult for the special prosecution law to pass. Do you think so?

[Park Yongchan]
That's right. Rep. Yoon Sang-hyun is not emphasizing that the door to impeachment will be opened, but that the special prosecution should not be conducted. In that respect, Rep. Yoon Sang-hyun will solve it through political solutions and dialogue. Didn't you say that we shouldn't vote now? From that point of view, a vote should never be held at next week's parliamentary meeting. That's why I'm telling you that the realistic way is for Han Dong-hoon to persuade floor leader Choo Kyung-ho, and for floor leader Choo Kyung-ho to go through such a process of communication that he earnestly appeals to the president. Right now, the ultimate goal in the Democratic Party is impeachment. It's about asking for an independent counsel to impeach, but what's wrong with it? Let's do an independent counsel, we can't just look at it like that. And it is our party's consensus that the special prosecution proposed by the Democratic Party is very unfair and problematic. So I would like to say that the Democratic Party is optimistic that more than eight votes will leave, but our party is not such an easily swayed party.

[Anchor]
Critic Kim Sang-il also knows well about the special inspector's case. In the case of a special inspector, it was not appointed by the Moon Jae In government. But it continues to the Yoon Suk Yeol government. The Yoon administration made a pledge during the presidential election.Ma is actually not appointed right now. However, the Democratic Party's position has been to appoint a special inspector. But now, we need a special prosecutor more than a special prosecutor, right?

[Kim Sang Il]
It means that I will not mislead the essence of the problem, not that I do not need a sense of privilege. The purpose is different now. I keep emphasizing the purpose. The special feeling is for prevention, it's for prevention. However, there is nothing that a special inspector can do to investigate the current suspicions and resolve the public suspicions. All the past ones. For example, it's different between a surgeon performing surgery and a family doctor using preventive medicine. I'm mixing up completely different stories now. Therefore, from the Democratic Party's point of view, if the essence of this becomes blurred by mixing it, we may dry it up a little. And when it comes to identifying national suspicions, it's to emphasize the essence first because it's concerned about some justification, some steps can be twisted. And there's also political strategy. If you leave only the special inspection at the center, CEO Han Dong-hoon may seem to have achieved a great achievement. Actually, this is such a big achievement. Performance is performance, but it's not very essential and it's not a big achievement, and both of these dimensions seem to have been considered because there are parts that can be seen as such.

[Anchor]
However, the ruling party continues to argue that the special prosecution could lead to a political special prosecution situation and that continuing to talk could open the door to impeachment.

[Kim Sang Il]
I don't understand that. Because first, I'm saying on the show that the Democratic Party's special prosecution law is too much right now. I'm also criticizing within the party. That's not criticism, but I think it's criticism, but I get a lot of criticism. But what the party leader said about those stories was that he said he would discuss it as a third-party independent counsel and a fair independent counsel. Then, after discussing it, the Democratic Party of Korea's special prosecutor should say, "It doesn't make sense. If you say so only with something strategically strong, then will the people's power not come from one side when negotiating? You bring it with you. Then it's important to sit at the negotiating table, but what's the purpose of just continuing to criticize without sitting down?

[Anchor]
If so, so-called Special Prosecutor Han Dong-hoon. Can the Democratic Party of Korea receive the special prosecutor Han Dong-hoon, who is said to be a third-party special prosecutor? You said you wouldn't accept it in the meantime.

[Kim Sang Il]
That's right. But the party leader said he could get it after discussing it, and Park Chan-dae, the floor leader, said no at first, but when the leader said so, he decided to do it again.

[Park Yongchan]
In this section, I'll tell you two things from a fact-checking perspective. First of all, you said that the special inspector system has only a preventive effect, but of course, we know that prevention is the most important effect.

[Anchor]
Surveillance and inspection of the president's spouse and relatives. The same goes for high-ranking officials in the presidential office.

[Park Yong-chan]
is correct. above the chief secretary That's what happens, but it has both a preventive effect and a follow-up effect. In 2016, didn't the first special inspector Lee Seok-soo actually inspect Woo Byung-woo, senior presidential secretary for civil affairs? So, I asked the actual prosecution to investigate various charges such as tax evasion, abuse of authority, and breach of trust. You can file a complaint like the Board of Audit and Inspection requests an investigation.

[Anchor]
Are you saying that we can investigate past issues as well as preventive effects?

[Park Yongchan]
You can look into it. So it's very scary. In particular, the special inspector intensively investigates, audits, and inspects only the president's spouse, relatives within cousins, and senior secretaries all day long. Therefore, it is much more powerful than the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit or the general prosecution. I want to say that. And I'll tell you one more thing. The Democratic Party said it could consider a third-party special prosecutor now, but then there is no official answer from the Democratic Party of Korea yet when representative Han Dong-hoon proposed a third-party special prosecutor bill related to the Chae Sang-byung Special Prosecutor Act. I'm constantly complaining. The third-party special prosecutor recommended by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, the Democratic Party of Korea, still does not officially accept it, I say that once again.

[Kim Sang Il]
I don't know. I don't know if it's because the facts are different. I understand that the official position of the Democratic Party of Korea is that if representative Han Dong-hoon officially makes a proposal or asks to discuss it, he will discuss it.

[Anchor]
The power of the representative or the people is asking for the independent counsel law to be proposed first.

[Kim Sang Il]
That's right. That's so obvious. Because they have their own positions, but if they want to come to the middle, they have to come out and do it. That's what it is, and I think that's right and that's what negotiations are. Then, I told you a while ago that it was a precautionary measure, so the special inspector said, "Can't you investigate?" You can investigate. But I'm telling you because all the suspicions that can be investigated are already out. That's why I'm telling you that it's preventive to be related to Mrs. Kim Gun-hee. Aren't most of the suspicions out there right now? Everything to do at the survey level is already out. It's a situation where we have to investigate.

[Anchor]
We can recommend a special inspector and push for an independent counsel, but politically and strategically, representative Han Dong-hoon can see more light now, so from the perspective of the Democratic Party.

[Kim Sang Il]
I'm not against the independent counsel. No, I'm emphasizing the special prosecutor. Because the essence lies in the special counsel.

[Anchor]
I see. The Democratic Party does not oppose the special inspector. It continues to be a related issue. Let's continue with the next keyword. Please show us the next keyword. Rep. Park Ji-won mentioned the sun. Recently, President Yoon and Representative Han Dong-hoon mentioned the sun in relation to the conflict between the party and the government. Let's hear what kind of metaphor they made. [Anchor] Park Ji-won has been in politics for a long time, so I compared it to the sun. And when the moon is cold again, it will turn sour. Do you agree with me that I have no choice but to lean into power?

[Park Yongchan]
You said that in general. Doesn't the moon tilt when it's full? And wouldn't there be a sun that sets and a sun that rises? You said something very ordinary, very general. I don't know why Rep. Park Ji-won said that, but I don't trust his sincerity, but since he's a senior politician, we'll listen to him first, but I think so. The current time is bound to be on the side of CEO Han Dong-hoon anyway. Anyway, CEO Han Dong-hoon is now engaged in political activities to become the rising sun. Then, President Yoon Suk Yeol is now working as president, and the time of retirement is bound to come a day or two anyway, right? But the problem is that the lame duck phenomenon came too fast.

[Anchor]
Show us today's Gallup poll as well.

[Park Yongchan]
That's why lawmaker Park Ji-won is saying that now. So it doesn't have much political meaning, I think so.

[Anchor]
But today's Gallup poll shows that the Gallup poll has a minimum of 20%. Regarding the Gallup poll results, the President's Office has stated that it will listen more to the people's voices under a strict awareness of the situation. This is a reference to the recent decline in the approval rating of the president of Yoon Suk Yeol, and the presidential office has said a lot in the past that it will not overreact when it comes to approval ratings. But this time, I reacted a little differently. How do you see it?

[Kim Sang Il]
I think the people will be very angry to hear that. Because I didn't talk about it in the poll, but when there was a big accident, he said that he would only look at the people and do it seriously. You said something similar after the general election. But what the people feel now is that they have question marks over whether the words have ever been sincere. But it's very specific... Now, if you've done that a few times, I'll talk about it in detail and do this on this part, and I'll do this on this part. And if that doesn't work, the president will announce it soon, so I have to tell him in detail. What are you talking about? I can't even torture hope anymore. There is no hope torture, and irritation and anger occur immediately.

[Anchor]
Can you show me the reason for the negative evaluation? If you look at the reason for the negative evaluation, the economy, people's livelihood, and prices were the highest so far, but Kim Gun-hee's problem became 15%, and the economy, people's livelihood, and prices became 14%.

[Kim Sang Il]
That's why you don't look at those parts. What Han Dong-hoon is saying right now, would Han Dong-hoon want to look good to the president? Don't you want to look good? In many ways, in common sense, what you can see well is that you will have a lot of glory and movies on your way, and a lot of power and economic benefits. That's right. But why is that? It's because if you go down that path with the president now, you can't go down that path at all. So, the presidential office is the only one who doesn't know that, and even lawmaker Park Ji-won and I, as a critic, feel and know that.

[Anchor]
Chairman Park Yong-chan, looking at the declining approval rating of the president and the reasons for the evaluation of job performance, how do you think the president should run state affairs in the future?

[Park Yongchan]
It came out in today's poll, but isn't there a part about lack of communication? That part was presented as the reason for the negative evaluation, consistently accounting for the largest percentage, a large part of the percentage. Therefore, there is an urgent need to dramatically change the way the president conducts state affairs. And in terms of region, Busan, Gyeongnam, Daegu, and Gyeongbuk. It is only 26-27% in Gyeongsang-do. What surprised me more today was that my approval rating was 6% among those in their 40s, single digits. And 91% of negative ratings are in their 40s. I think this is probably quite a record statistic as far as I know. Isn't this 40s at the waist, literally at the waist level of the generation? Therefore, the approval rating came out so disastrous in the 40s, which is the waist of all Koreans. I think that's a part that needs to be greatly reflected on.

[Anchor]
I see. Thank you both for your comments today. Let's stop here. So far, I've been with Political On and Park Yong-chan, the People's Power Yeongdeungpo, along with the chairman of the party's cooperation committee and political commentator Kim Sang-il. Thank you for your words today. Thank you.