Kwak Kyu-taek said, "Mrs. Kim's issue needs institutional discussion."Even if you're late for the second part, you have to push ahead."

◆ [YTN Radio SHINYUL's news]
■ Broadcasting: FM 94.5 (17:00-19:00)
■ Air date: October 29, 2024 (Tuesday)
■ Proceedings: Shin Yul, Professor of Political Science and Diplomacy at Myongji University
■ Dialogue: Kwak Kyu-taek, member of the People's Power,

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- General election white paper published, delayed due to political schedule..It should not include fluctuations in approval ratings due to political events.
- The special inspector system doesn't mean much to vote within the party.The 'internal division' over the 野 without response is not necessary.
- First Lady Kim Gun-hee's issue will have a significant impact on 與 approval ratings.Institutional discussion needed
- even if it's late in the second annex, we need to push ahead.Mrs. Kim needs to formalize her activities and institutionalize them
- suspicion of pollack bacteria, making it difficult to judge..Investigation should be carried out quickly to identify the substance
- Long-term supplementary measures related to the poll on the Prevention of Polls on Polls on '∀}- State audit, institutional supplementation, etc.野 Lose Objectivity in biased, majority decision
- Seemingly trying to turn issue to impeachment of 尹 ahead of 野 'judicial risk'..Political evaluation and reasons for impeachment differ
- different from the time of Park Geun Hye's impeachment.尹, it has nothing to do with his/her job,
- It is difficult to get public response from the 'outdoor assembly' of the 野.The intensity of the Park Geun Hye's impeachment will be different.
◆ Shin Yul: Shin Yul's news head-to-head match begins part 4. I'm Kwak Kyu-taek, a member of the People's Power, who will meet in the front interview of the fourth part today. I'm on the phone right now. How are you, Senator?

◇ Kwak Kyu-taek: Yes, how are you? I'm Kwak Kyu-taek.

◆ Shin Yul: Yes, you did the white paper for the general election together, right?

◇ Kwak Kyu-taek: Yes, that's right.

◆ Shin Yul: Yes, but it ended quickly, but it took a long time for it to be released.

◇ Kwak Kyu-taek: Yes, that's right. About 200 days have passed now, and in the meantime, there was another big process called the party's national convention. Also, there has been a by-election recently, so I think the publication has been delayed due to such political schedules.

◆ Shin Yul: How do you rate it?

◇ Kwak Kyu-taek: We named the absence of our general election white paper as our last chance. From the 20s to the 21st to the 22nd, I was defeated in terms of the power of the people, so I added such a subtitle in the sense that this is the last chance for a bit of painful reflection. Therefore, unlike the previous general election white paper, the cause analysis and future responses to it were included in detail.

◆ Shin Yul: Was the previous general election white paper without cause analysis and future response?

◇ Kwak Kyu-taek: The white paper for the general election mainly contains the composition of the nomination management committee and the time schedule. Therefore, this detail in the cause analysis has not been found in the past, so

◆ Shin Yul: I'm sorry, but I was the vice chairman of the white paper for the 21st general election.

◇ Kwak Kyu-taek: Yes

◆ Shin Yul: So I didn't just do the schedule at the time. At that time, we went around the country and heard everything, and for the first time, we appeared on the satellite party and analyzed the impact of it on the election. The reason why I'm saying this is because the white paper for the general election doesn't go in this early. As far as I remember, it went into early May. Probably

◇ Kwak Kyu-taek: That's right. Starting in mid-May.

◆ Shin Yul: But if that's the case, I think there's enough data to objectively guarantee the change in public opinion. So, for example, starting with President Yoon Suk Yeol's statement on the parliamentary conflict, for example, the mood has suddenly changed. That's not about me, but all the people who ran now say that, but there are polls. I'm asking if you did it in a way to prove these things in detail.

◇ Kwak Kyu-taek: In the middle of the general election, there were a few events that would have affected our support, but we didn't make a judgment at the time of those events. In this general election, after we lost the general election, we saw such important events on the same line and included the contents of the general election white paper in a way like a poll. It does not include how the approval rating has changed at this time for those political events that you mentioned in the middle.

◆ Shin Yul: But actually, I'm asking you because I think that's the most objective data to raise accountability.

◇ Kwak Kyu-taek: Yes, but overall, all those political events are unfavorable to our party, so I wondered if it would be very meaningful in the white paper of the general election to include them as a percentage at that time.

◆ Shin Yul: Yes, I see. Anyway, we're talking about various future elections. If I ask you bluntly, isn't it actually the most important part to win the future election? How do you see it?

◇ Kwak Kyu-taek: Yes, that's right. So, that's what our white paper says, but we included those contents under the title, "The loss of public trust due to unstable government-government relations."Ma believes that those issues related to the first lady of the president had the biggest impact on our election at that time. That's what's included.

◆ Shin-yul: No, but the past is also the past, but I don't think this issue should serve as an obstacle to the political action and election of the people. First, it's not like the special inspector is making this or making this. Let's make it. It's a problem combined with the recommendation of the director of the North Korean Human Rights Foundation and the recommendation of the director of the North Korean Human Rights Foundation, so let's go together. Do you think you're going to vote for the first time?

◇ Kwak Kyu-taek: I think the special inspector system is one of the various alternatives you mentioned, and the opposition party's response to that has said that it is not necessary now for the special inspector system. In the case of the special inspector team, the National Assembly has to nominate it anyway, so I think I'm wondering if voting within our party is meaningful.

◆ Sin-ryul: Isn't meaning and actually will different? Isn't meaning defined by the will? Isn't it important to show our will to do this?

◇ Kwak Kyu-taek: That's right. In that sense, the party leader also raised the issue of the special inspection team, and there are our lawmakers who respond to it, but there is another party if that will is to be realized. If the opposition parties, including the Democratic Party, respond to such a situation, they have to come to a conclusion somehow, but if the Democratic Party, which has a large number of seats, says it is a shameful response, it seems that we don't have to force such a will to cause internal division of our party.

◆ Does that mean you're not going to do anything after all?

◇ Kwak Kyu-taek: I expect that there will probably be sufficient discussions at the General Assembly next week on various proposals, including the Special Inspector General.

◆ Shin Yul: Well, what I'm talking about is that the special inspector is actually a matter of the future, right?

◇ Kwak Kyu-taek: Yes, that's right.

◆ Shin Yul: Actually, the suspicion about Kim Gun-hee is about the past. But talking about the future has nothing to do with the past, but the reason we're talking about the future is to show the people that we're serious about taking this issue seriously, right?

◇ Kwak Kyu-taek: Yes, as you said, I think the first lady's problem will have a significant impact on the people's support rate in the future, so I think the direction is the same as what you said because we are talking about the special inspector system as one of the ways to supplement this system in the future. I think it is necessary to discuss the system that can be used now on what kind of actions the first lady of the president can have in the future.

◆ Shin-yul: No, so I think this is actually the least, but I'm asking because I think the power of the people needs to show their will to the people first, except for how the Democratic Party of Korea will come out.

◇ Kwak Kyu-taek: It has not been decided yet whether to vote on that or not by the general meeting of the members, but I think that the party shows that willingness to do so.

◆ Shin-yul: I heard the news today in the presidential office other than the special inspector, and everything we can imagine, including personnel reform, is under consideration. I don't know what you're imagining in this way, but anyway, the presidential office is also looking at the current situation very seriously.

◇ Kwak Kyu-taek: Of course, that's what I think. And it seems that the presidential office will also think about all the measures that can be done when considering the recent approval rating. In particular, the apology related to First Lady Kim Gun-hee and after the defeat in the last general election, there were actually talks about personnel reshuffles in the government or the presidential office, but there is no visible part of that yet, right? So I think the president's office will be fully thinking about this.

◆ I think it's very important right now, but what are we going to make in the 2nd annex next month?

◇ Kwak Kyu-taek: Our attached room is a bit late, but I think it's a bit necessary. In addition, it seems necessary to institutionalize and support certain activities of the first lady of the president. It seems that more formalization and institutionalization are needed than any informal activities. In that sense, of course, some people may wonder what kind of impact it will have, but I still think that the second annex should be done even if it is late.

◆ Shin Yul: Actually, there are a lot of people saying that the annex is late and the apology is a little late now, but now

◇ Kwak Kyu-taek: The more I think it's late, the more I think it's something I have to do again.

◆ Sin-ryul: The same goes for apples. And the suspicion about Myung Tae-kyun. There are so many media outlets that I don't even know what to ask Kwak. How do you see it? This is Myung Tae Gyun.

◇ Kwak Kyu-taek: I think it's like that if you look at it big. The part about how reliable the remarks of Myung Tae-kyun, who is the subject of the investigation, and the recordings and recordings released by Kang Hye-kyung are the contents of the recording of Myung Tae-kyun's voice. In order to determine how reliable they are in that area, Myung Tae-kyun and Kang Hye-kyung are also the targets of investigation, so we need to conduct such an investigation quickly, identify the substance, and cover up CCTV to see who is right. In the end, it seems that Myung Tae-kyun's words and Kang Hye-kyung's stories are all about each one, so I think it's a very difficult situation to judge whether it's right or wrong now.

◆ Sin-ryul: But there are various names of politicians going up and down in relation to this person, and who was recommended as a minister. There's this kind of talk, but this can't be confirmed. I'm a little worried that it might hurt individual politicians. What do you think?

◇ Kwak Kyu-taek: That's right. I even talked about that list last time just because I asked for a poll, but now it seems a little unfair for such people to do this as if they were involved in a scandal. In the end, I think these parts, such as whether they were involved in personnel management or industrial selection, should be checked through the investigation.

◆ Shin Yul: People are saying that they will make a method to prevent pollock bacteria. Right? Isn't this a poll-related issue?

◇ Kwak Kyu-taek: That's right.

◆ Shin-yul: But I don't think there are many cases like Korea where I choose candidates for public opinion polls. I also think that why don't we go out as an open primary like the United States?

◇ Kwak Kyu-taek: Of course, in the long run and in the long run, I think we should consider that as well. When the election season comes now, don't you often ask candidates to conduct polls like this? Regardless of the ruling and opposition parties, I feel that such pollsters are a little chaotic in a way, and how reliable they are and how specific poll methods are, so I think long-term supplementary measures for those areas are essential.

◆ Shin Yul: And this is a little different, but I start with a sigh of the parliamentary audit. What do you think?

◇ Kwak Kyu-taek: The parliamentary audit is actually focusing on raising all suspicions about Kim Gun-hee from the opposition party's point of view. On the other hand, the ruling party has no choice but to attack the case of Lee Jae-myung's current investigation and trial, and it is only seen that such a parliamentary inspection is a place of political strife, so I feel sorry for the people.

◆ Shin Yul: But I think there's a structural problem with this. So, in this case, there has always been a theory that removing the inspection is useless, but in fact, looking at it like this, I thought that the inspection is becoming more convincing.

◇ Kwak Kyu-taek: However, if you look at the behavior of the opposition party, especially the controversial judiciary committee, the chairman of the committee, and its members, the application of witnesses and submission of data are too biased and all decisions are made by a majority vote, and objective parliamentary audit is impossible in this situation. I think those parts get more and more added in the end. Because of the logic of the camp between the ruling and opposition parties, it seems that it is necessary not only to strengthen the authority of the National Assembly on these areas, but also to supplement the system to conduct a parliamentary audit through sufficient consultation and compromise between the ruling and opposition parties.

◆ Shin Yul: Honestly, looking at the parliamentary audit, the National Assembly was not a hall of the people, but a hall of the camp. That's Jinyoung's Hall of Fame. And now, Cho Kuk, the leader of the Cho Kuk Innovation Party, said yesterday. On November 10th they are now drafting an impeachment motion against President Yoon Suk Yeol and will announce it on November 10th. I'm talking about it now. How do you see it?

◇ Kwak Kyu-taek: In fact, impeachment is about impeaching when there is a serious violation while in office, but I'm not sure what is a serious violation of the president himself while in office. It is very questionable whether there is such an offense as to propose an impeachment bill, and in fact, in the case of the Cho Kuk Innovation Party, representative Cho Kuk is currently sentenced to prison by the second trial, and if it is confirmed by the Supreme Court, he has to serve that prison term at any time, and floor leader Hwang Un-ha is also about to be sentenced to the second trial. I think it's an attempt to turn those parts into the issue of impeachment of the president.

◆ Shin Yul: Of course, Kwak Kyu-taek is also a former lawyer, but there are many suspicions as a former lawyer, but there are certainly suspicions raised. But can I understand that it makes no sense to talk about impeachment when this suspicion has not been confirmed as true?

◇ Kwak Kyu-taek: Political evaluation and the reason for impeachment seem to be starkly wrong.

◆ Shin Yul: I'm just curious about one thing, and I'm not even a lawyer, so it's when former President Park Geun Hye was impeached. Even then, what kind of investigation actually went into it, and wasn't the investigation confirmed by a final trial after impeachment? Illegal

◇ Kwak Kyu-taek: Of course, the illegality was confirmed, but at the time of President Park Geun Hye, a lot of the illegality directly related to President Park Geun Hye was exposed objectively. That was confirmed. However, of course, the opposition party is raising various suspicions about the first lady of the president, but such a political evaluation of the president is not a matter that can be considered as such. The luxury white goods issue and whether they were involved in stock price manipulation in the past have nothing to do with the president's own actions, so it is not compatible with the purpose of impeachment to use them as grounds for impeachment, and of course, it is another matter to receive some political evaluation as a president.Ma's attempt to impeach this is seen as an attempt to turn those parts to the other side.

◆ Sin Yul: The Democratic Party of course is not officially talking about impeachment, but it's this Saturday, November 2nd. On November 2nd, we are not going to fight outside anyway. And on November 9th, civil society groups including the Korean Confederation of Trade Unions are planning a large-scale demonstration to oust the Yoon Suk Yeol regime, and now that it's like this, there's no choice but to say, "Isn't it somehow moving toward impeachment?"

◇ Kwak Kyu-taek: I don't know. The Democratic Party of Korea is still unclear about the progress of impeachment.If you look at the behavior, there is a serious case sentence in November against Chairman Lee Jae-myung just like the Cho Kuk Innovation Party, so it is seen as an attempt to eventually turn to the issue of impeachment of the president. I wonder if this is really the right act for the political forces that currently occupy the majority in the National Assembly to fight outside. Such political intentions are all the more questionable because such parts are now about to be sentenced to representative Lee Jae-myung.

◆ Shin Yul: So in the end, it's an action in preparation for the results of the first trial against Lee Jae-myung on November 15th and 25th.

◇ Kwak Kyu-taek: I'm a little worried that if the Democratic Party is convicted, it will lead to an offensive against the court again. Rather than accepting the results of the trial, I think they are trying to create the atmosphere now through such out-of-the-court struggles, such as impeachment stories and political attacks against courts and judges. I am concerned that the legislature is trying to engage in a very dangerous way in the judiciary because I believe that it can act as psychological pressure on the court in advance of such a sentence.

◆ Shin Yul: You mentioned the current atmosphere, how do you think the general public's response will be?

◇ Kwak Kyu-taek: Of course, we will see from the aspect of the assembly, but it is difficult to get a response from any representative of the country or the people at the time of the impeachment of President Park Geun Hye, as in the past. First of all, they have done something wrong and they are about to be sentenced to trial, so I think the intensity of the people's response will be much lower. In the end, it is seen as such an intention to unite the extreme supporters within the party.

◆ Shin Yul: Yes, I understand. There's so much going on these days that we're going to stop here today. Please interview me more often.

◇ Kwak Kyu-taek: Oh, yeah, I'll do that.

◆ Shin Yul: Thank you. Until now, I was Kwak Kyu-taek, a member of the People's Power.