Kim Jong-hyuk said, "尹 - Myung Tae-kyun recorded, shocking and disastrous...Yongsan, time to be honest".

◆ [YTN Radio SHINYUL's news]
■ Broadcasting: FM 94.5 (17:00-19:00)
■ Air date: October 31, 2024 (Thursday)
■ Proceedings: Shin Yul, Professor of Political Science and Diplomacy at Myongji University
■ Dialogue: Kim Jong-hyuk, Supreme Council Member for People's Power

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- 尹-Myeong-Gyun transcript, shocking and disastrous..Legal controversy is also questionable
- The president's office's explanation that they only met twice collapsed.Need solid evidence
- Plague, psychological panic...He seems to be sending a threatening message to Yongsan.
- Truth game begins with the president's office's explanation.Lee Jun-seok must have felt bad at the time.
- Yongsan, you have to be honest.It's hard to defend because you don't know what's there
- The Democratic Party seems to have prepared for a long time.Feeling like a well-organized scenario
- OTC rally and impeachment train plan after 野 pollack revelation..Well-organized
- 與 rally? Actually, no.It looks weird and doesn't look reasonable.
◆ Shin Yul: Shin Yul's news head-to-head match will begin part 1. Thursday is being decorated with the best class. Kim Jong-hyuk, the supreme council member of the People's Power, will be serving today. You're in the studio right now. Please come in.

◇ Kim Jong-hyuk: Hello.

◆ Shin Yul: Of course we have to say it. Myung Taekyun and the Democratic Party of Korea released the recording of President Yoon Suk Yeol. How did you hear this? For now,

◇ Kim Jong-hyuk: Well, I heard it with a very shocking and tragic feeling. Next, it wasn't revealed by Myung Tae-kyun. The recordings released by the Democratic Party of Korea that were between Myung Tae-kyun and the president were actually the president-elect at that time when President Yoon Suk Yeol did it. There can be controversy over whether the president-elect's remarks constitute intervention in the nomination. First of all, there may be objections such as whether the elected status is not a public official because of the legal controversy, and whether what civilians said constitutes nomination intervention. As a counter-argument to that, he said it a day before he took office on May 9, but the nomination was made on May 10. Since the presidential mission had already begun then, some say that it could be a nomination intervention if the cause and effect are considered. But this is actually a legal debate, and I wonder if it's that important. Because a president is not a matter of whether he is a public servant or not, but he is the best leader in the country. What he said is more painful than that, we've only met twice, and

◆ Shinryul: Until just before the election,

◇ Kim Jong-hyuk: I met him twice during the primary, and then there were many bad comments about him, so I didn't meet him because a lawmaker said that, but if you look at this transcript, doesn't this mean it's a day before he takes office? Since it's May 9th, then it's not the explanation that was made at the presidential office in Yongsan before that. So, I met him a day before he was inaugurated, and I contacted him then, and he seemed to have talked on the phone in the car. If you say that the next day was about that kind of thing you invited, the trust would be destroyed, so then it's people. Isn't that person named Myung Tae-kyun too exaggerated and bragging? I'm a political broker, so I'm not talking about this for my own life. I was suspicious, so I guess there are quite a few people who thought it would be right to say it in the presidential office, right? But if it collapses, our trust will collapse, so even what Myung Tae Kyun said in a bluffing way is right, and the president's office is lying. This kind of atmosphere can be created, so we're actually very worried about that.

◆ Shin Yul: There's another exclusive story that JTBC reported a minute ago, so whatever you do at once, Myung Tae Kyun said that. Mrs. Kim Gun-hee is in power. JTBC said it obtained this recording alone.

◇ Kim Jong-hyuk: Actually, there were rumors in the world. But it's hard to say that it's true that Myung Tae-kyun said that to others. Sure. Even if it's an exclusive article, people say that a lot in private. I've said a lot that the president's wife has too much authority, and that the president is stuck. It's true that there's something, but it's not easy to say that it's an exclusive article with it if it's not your own voice or anything.

◆ Shin Yul: But anyway, the president's office is a good thing to say. He's like this. Oh, I've never been briefed or instructed. There's nothing. But there is a possibility that the position of President Lee's office is true. The reason is that if you look at the recording, there's nothing that I told anyone. So the president doesn't say, "I talked to someone, but there's a lot of talk."

◇ Kim Jong-hyuk: There was a lot of talk in the party

◆ But I'm into someone. That's why I said it in a good way. It is possible to interpret this, but as Supreme Council member Kim Jong-hyuk said, this is how these people will accept it.
◇ Kim Jong-hyuk: So if you look at what I said earlier, that's what the president's office explains. He was the one who helped former lawmaker Kim Young-sun during his campaign to nominate him, but he kept on asking me, so I just said it to say it in a good way. And if you look at that, I told you to make something for me, but there were a lot of words in the party, that's a little bit of room for this. I'll do it for you. I'm not saying that I'll do it for you because I'm the presidential candidate.

◆ Sin-ryul: Being talkative is something that you can use as an excuse for something else.

◇ Kim Jong-hyuk: So if it doesn't work, actually, it didn't work, but I told you that. It's because there's so much opposition from the party. It's not easy to say that it's definitely a nomination intervention because it's left room for it to get out like this. But the problem is, as I said before, why did you say that you only met twice and didn't you talk about the conversation on May 9th? Then, you can say that the truth collapsed because what you said was broken, so that's a lie.

◆ Shin-yul: And the other thing is that there are only two things on the agenda right now that President Yoon Suk Yeol mentioned and Myung Tae-kyun said that he will never forget the grace of that for the rest of his life. But now, we have to look at this whole context to not take it off. Actually, I saw a video clip of Myung Taekyun's exclusive interview with TV Chosun. There's a part where it was cut off. The part where the party said it would take care of the cut part or whatever, the part where the party said it was cut off. We're talking about this now, shouldn't we also consider these things?

◇ Kim Jong-hyuk: That's right because we call it 'geojeolmi'. So, if you cut off both the front and the back, it's not the context, but if only a specific word is left, it can be interpreted in a variety of ways. So, if Myung Taekyun insists on that, I think you can reveal it if you're there. So these parts were deleted. So,

◆ Shin Yul: That's one way.

◇ Kim Jong-hyuk: If you listen to everything, you can reveal things that are not like this, but if you claim it like that without disclosing it, how can we believe that? Perhaps the opposition would argue that it is not immediately credible. I'm trying to avoid it like that because the situation is getting harder. You can make this argument. And as I said earlier, the fact that I've only seen it twice has now collapsed because the story itself has collapsed, so this statement cannot be trusted. I heard from the people who were judges. In fact, when you look at what a former judge says during the trial process, it is meaningless to make a judgment and denies small things that can be admitted. But if it is confirmed that he lied about it, the trial is just lost. So, from the judge's point of view, it's not that important, but if he lied about it, he'll have a feeling that he's grown up, and that he's lied about everything else. However, in this case, it has become a situation where the fact that we only met twice can be a drag in a way. As Myung Tae-kyun said, if you look at the whole context, you can refute that you only took out the word, but it's hard to believe about it until you give solid evidence of it.

◆ Shin Yul: But the Supreme Council member used to be the editor-in-chief of a media company, but Myung Tae-kyun said that today. I buried it all in the ground, but I'm going to burn it. How do you see it? What does this mean?

◇ Kim Jong-hyuk: In a way, I think Myung Tae-kyun is quite like a psychological panic right now. For example, you even released a picture of your young daughter. Then, who says that? Isn't that a kind of unspoken protest against First Lady Kim Gun-hee? My daughter has a daughter this young. How can you do this? Some people interpreted what kind of demonstration it was. But if you look at it, she has several transcripts released by Kang Hye-kyung. I didn't listen to all of them, but after listening to a few of them, they all talked about money. Myung Tae-kyun and Kang Hye-kyung kept saying things like, "How much money did I get when I went to Jeju Island?" And from what I hear, it was very tight financially. It was very tight, and then there was a huge fear that he might go to prison after this happened, how to raise my children, and so on. He even had such a panic, so he seems to be continuing to talk a lot to escape his legal responsibility. And sometimes I talk about what seems intimidating, sometimes I talk about what sounds like a town hall, and then I talk about my daughter who stimulates my emotions, and I post pictures.

◆ Shin Yul: He cared about his daughter

◇ Kim Jong-hyuk: I know. I'm not saying I gave birth when I turned 50. Your daughter is very young, so this person is making a lot of efforts to avoid her, not go to jail, or not go to justice, and I have several things. For example, if I hide the USIM chip in that cell phone and leave it to someone, and if I'm arrested, I'll peel all of them, it's a kind of threat in a way. I think it's probably about Yongsan who they're threatening. So you guys need to save me quickly, but I'm not sure if it's possible or not.

◆ Shin Yul: But if we talk about the situation once, lawmaker Yoon Sang-hyun served as chairman of the mission committee at the time. But I just told President Yoon that I never took the official documents from the officialdom committee. How do you see it? You might think that this is also an important testimony as a person around you.

◇ Kim Jong-hyuk: A kind of truth game has begun. But because in the president's remarks, I brought it from the official residence committee and saw it, and I said this. But did you bring it and who brought it? Did you actually bring it and send it? Then, Rep. Yoon Sang-hyun said, "At least I'm not me," and among our mission members, the president and the president-elect are close people. I don't know if you've been close to someone, but you talk like this. So he's insisting that he's not. But it's weird to say that it was brought from the officialdom committee in the transcript, but if you look at it from the common sense, it's a little strange that lawmaker Yoon Sang-hyun took it or that someone else sent him to the president except for the officialdom chairman. Right? I think the chief executive should have told the president, but he says he's not the one, so we can't say right, wrong, or wrong here. I can't say much more.

◆ Shin Yul: In the case of Rep. Lee Jun-seok, wasn't he the party leader at the time? That's right. Rep. Lee Joon-seok also seems to show a very heated response. Since the president's office is now mentioning the party leader, the chairman of the commission, didn't you mention the nuance of why the person who tried to kick me out like that is dragging me in now?

◇ Kim Jong-hyuk: Rep. Lee Joon-seok wrote on Facebook that the nomination was not too much. I think I said that it was a woman, there was only one woman, and I was a multi-elected lawmaker, and I did it because of my competitiveness.

◆ Shin Yul: Where do you sell me? It's an expression called

◇ Kim Jong-hyuk: But when I explained it in Yongsan this time, former CEO Lee Joon-seok said on Facebook, he was angry. No, I didn't give me any authority at the time, and what kind of nomination rights did I have? I eventually signed it as the party leader, but in the end, it was the chairman of the mission, and I don't know what happened between you, but I can't accept that he put me in there while explaining it. I think CEO Lee Jun-seok is a little unfair, for example, he might feel bad.

◆ Shin-yul: Right, and a little later, he was kicked out anyway. Actually, did you hear that, right? The Democratic Party will reveal more. I'll reveal it now. It seems like they're giving this notice. How do you see it?

◇ Kim Jong-hyuk: I heard that. But actually, it's very difficult for us to respond. For example, when this incident broke out, I came out in the morning, but I didn't know what to do. Because we don't know the content. I don't know what it's about. And I don't know what's going to pop out. But if the party leader and our leadership need to know something about this, but they say they're playing shield. For example, since we are the ruling party, we need to protect it together. They say they're playing the shield, but they don't know the content, so if you hit this for no reason and then something completely wrong comes out, the sugar will collapse together. They're also liars. In fact, we're very shocked. It's true that I was in a situation where I didn't know what to do.

◆ Sin-ryul: And one theory is that it's true or not, but it could be released tomorrow or Saturday. Someone tells me at first glance that they heard this, but I don't know what will happen, but I also want to ask the Supreme Council member about the second part of the Special Inspector General. This was actually a matter related to Kim Gun-hee. However, with this recording coming out today, isn't this a change in the situation where you can be more interested in President Yoon Suk Yeol than First Lady Kim Gun-hee?

◇ Kim Jong-hyuk: That's a reasonable point. So why do you call it "Another Page"? The page went over. It feels like a different page is starting, and on the other hand, the special inspector feels like it's not a big deal, and now it's like that. In fact, there are actually voices like this for the nomination, but it can be like this. But what's frustrating about us is... If we want to respond to a problem, we need to know it all. Why do we need a lawyer to take over a case

◆ Shin Yul: You always say that to your client. Tell me everything.

◇ Kim Jong-hyuk: You tell the suspect. You have to tell me everything. If you don't tell me everything, I have to tell you everything that's embarrassing and problematic. That way I can defend myself in court. If you hide a certain part of it and talk about it, I can't make a few hidden facts stand out while I'm defending myself in court. Then I can't defend you. It's falling apart. Earlier, I talked about the judge and the former judge. If it turns out that it was a lie, which is not important in some facts, the whole picture of the rest is ruined. So, as there are cases where the judge thinks that he is an incredible person, we are in that situation right now. What's a bit unfortunate and unfortunate is that if we have a problem like this in Yongsan, we can have legal problems in some areas, some problems have to find a political solution, and the rest are too exaggerated. If we had this kind of candid discussion, it would have been easy for us to defend ourselves. But now, I don't know what's actually there, so I don't know how to defend it.

◆ Shin Yul: That's why it's still hard for Han Dong-hoon to make a clear position. What will you do? It is difficult to say whether this is true or not. You're talking about this, right?

◇ [Kim Jong-hyuk] That's right. It's just a family thing, but what if there's a phone call or a meeting after becoming president? Then how can we defend ourselves? I'm sorry for the president, but it turns out that we met twice is not true. But if there's something else that says, "Isn't this at least before we became president?" and it turns out that it's not like that again, then the party has nothing to defend. So it's also true that we're in a very difficult situation right now about these parts.

◆ Shin Yul: I think we're going to do another special investigation. The Democratic Party of Korea is talking about Myung Taekyun's problem.

◇ [Kim Jong-hyuk] I guess so. Myung Tae-kyun is also included in the special prosecutor's bill related to Kim Gun-hee. I don't know if you're going to do this separately, but it's just that one thing right now. What has been revealed now is that during the nomination process, I brought it from the officialdom committee and said Kim Young-sun, but there's a lot of talk in the party. I don't know. I'll do a special investigation on this alone. I'll have to think about that, too.

◆ Sin-ryul: But. This is my personal opinion. I've been watching politics for decades, and it's this Saturday on November 2nd. The Democratic Party is out there fighting. It's a so-called long padded jacket, but the weather is still hot, so if you wear a long padded jacket, you'll steam it to death, and this so-called long padded jacket is an outdoor rally, and the original purpose of this outdoor rally was to enforce the Special Prosecutor's Act on Kim Gun-hee.

◇ Kim Jong-hyuk: Originally, the title was a pan-national contest to condemn Kim Gun-hee.

◆ Shin-ryul: But if this changes a little, wouldn't it be a little... For example, it's not like condemning Kim Gun-hee, but if it changes like nomination or something, wouldn't the national atmosphere change a little bit? How do you see it? On November 2nd and November 9th, I have something centered on the Korean Confederation of Trade Unions. With the outdoor rallies continuing, the situation could change a bit, so I think the situation would be very urgent.

◇ Kim Jong-hyuk: I think the Democratic Party has prepared for a long time. I also feel like it's a well-organized scenario. For example, last time, a tablet PC was released under former President Park Geun Hye. It was such a shock, and after former President Park Geun Hye apologized for it, his approval rating plunged to 5%, and from then on, he ran relentlessly toward impeachment. In this case, it is said that they will hold an outdoor rally for the first time on November 2, but it didn't explode on Thursday. This is Friday and Saturday, so it's not easy to mobilize right away if it explodes tomorrow. But on Thursday, I have time tomorrow, and what else is there tomorrow is the steering committee. Since the National Assembly is a steering committee, all officials from the presidential office in Yongsan must attend. I'm sure the steering committee will make a big fuss tomorrow. In a way, I think it's a scenario that reveals today's escalation, opens the steering committee tomorrow, and then goes out on the street on Saturday. And through those things, I think they have a plan to run to the impeachment train they want.

◆ Sin-ryul: I heard you're also holding a rally against the power of the people.

◇ Kim Jong-hyuk: That's not true. Actually, it's not. That's misinformation now. There were reports that the counter-claims were decided by the leadership of our party, but some TF team was formed to hold a counter-claim. So, as far as I know, our party sent out a notification that it's not true.

◆ Shin-ryul: Actually, the ruling party's going out of here is a bit of a shape.

◇ Kim Jong-hyuk: If the ruling party takes the lead and changes that, for example, when Justice Minister Cho Kuk was there, there was a huge crowd in Gwanghwamun on October 3rd. But we didn't force ourselves to do it, we didn't organize it, but it looks weird and doesn't seem reasonable for the ruling party to form a TF team to hold a street counter rally.

◆ Shin Yul: Okay. It suddenly happened today, so let's stop here today's talk. Thank you. Kim Jong-hyuk, the supreme council member of the People's Power.