U.S. Presidential Election Trump Elected? It's going to be a mess in the Middle East.

[News FM Lee Ik-seon Choi Soo-young Issue & People]

□ Broadcast date and time: November 4, 2024 (Mon)
□ Host: Lee Ik-seon, Choi Soo-young
□ Starring: AlphaGo SinaC

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◇ Profit line: Everything is said except for political news. AlphaGo Sina, a multilateral non-political talks with no sanctuary or taboo, is here. Welcome.

◈AlphaGo Sina: Hello

◇Lee Ik-seon: Today, we will have Mr. AlphaGo as a reporter specializing in the Middle East. Tensions in the Middle East are rising ahead of the U.S. presidential election, so let's talk together.

◆Choi Soo-young: I think we should first ask about the U.S. presidential election, which is just a day away. It starts at 2 p.m. tomorrow in our time. Harris vs Trump Trump vs Harris. Different newspapers, different dates, different mornings, and different afternoons. If you look at it through AlphaGo's intuition?

◈AlphaGo Sina: Based on the results of the national polls rather than the hunch. It's a tight Trump. But Harris was elected? I think this is election tampering.

◇ Lee Ik-seon: Is it that bad?

◈AlphaGo Sina: Because recently, when Harris was first introduced, she caught Trump, but time passed and she didn't speak very well on the air, and as you know, there's a saying that Russia is bringing North Korean troops in the midst of the Israeli Hamas war. Of course, it's almost 100% right now, so from the perspective of the American people, I wonder if Trump is going to solve this, so all the polls now say Trump.

◆Choi Soo-young: But looking at some reports, the hidden female vote will be a bit of a variable now. There's a story like that. Do you agree with that?

◈AlphaGo Sina: No. I don't think I can cover the gap.

◇ Profit line: Doesn't it reflect your preference?

◈AlphaGo Sina: I'm Harris. Because when Harris comes, it's too obvious that the Middle East will be less noisy by negotiating nuclear weapons with Iran once again, but my personal desires and preferences are separate from the media and I have to convey my reality.
◇ Profit Line: I see. So Israel is toward Trump?

◈AlphaGo Sina: Israel wants Trump from the beginning, but I think what Israelis are a little bit mistaken about is that this Trump is the same kind of people as Erdogan. Once you're betrayed, you don't forget. They do their jobs and then get back at the right time. But Trump was betrayed at the end. At that time, Trump blew a swing. I won't forget this. But it seems to me that this war, of course, is going to take Netanyahu in the way he wants. But one day, I think I'll hit Netanyahu with something unexpected. I never forget the betrayal because of the tendencies of the leaders I've seen in the meantime.

◇Lee Ik-seon: What did Netanyahu water you?

◈AlphaGo Sina: When Trump had his second election, the election results were out. That's when Trump said, "This is election tampering. This is an illegal election. In the meantime, the first person to send a congratulatory message to Biden was the Israeli prime minister. At that time, Trump said, "I did things for Netanyahu that were so disadvantageous to the United States and other peoples, but Netanyahu has now repaid the favor in this way?

◇Lee Ik-seon: Then Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu must be very nervous right now.

◈AlphaGo Sina: I think Trump is going to do something, but he's pro-Israel for the Republican Party, so let's put that aside because the Republican Party can only solve this war ahead.

◆Choi Soo-young: So, since it's an Israeli Channel 12 news survey and it's an Israeli people's poll, 66% of them voted for former President Trump, so the reason they voted overwhelmingly is to end this war? Or are you asking me to use my strength to keep this war going?

◈AlphaGo Sina: As you know, it was last week. Israel retaliated again. I was surprised to see if we retaliated against Israel at that time, but if you saw the Israeli media, you criticized it too loudly. It's not why you retaliated again, but why don't you hit the nuclear facilities? Do it harder. Are you such a frontman to the United States? Why are you interfering in our internal affairs like this? You should have gone all the way to the end. Why did you listen to the United States? Why did you listen to Biden? I was criticized. These things haven't been reported well in the Korean media, so what people are saying is that if the war came out because of Hamas, although we didn't want it, let's clean up and wrap it up. Then, if Hamas gets support from someone and gets support from Iran, then it should end with a shock that it can't pay back for 10 or 20 years. Isn't this a little more reasonable?

◇ Lee Ik-seon: I think he wanted to end it, but that's not it.

◆Choi Soo-young: If Israel attacks Iran's nuclear facilities, it actually crossed the red line. The international community will be shocked.

◈AlphaGo Sina: To be astonished is to be astonished that we are not going to go to war next to Iran. In conclusion, Israel is next to the United States, so we don't need the international community to see Israel. And when I saw the news today, I canceled the contract with the U.N. refugee agency or something and asked the U.N. members to leave. I don't even need the United States or the United Nations if I'm next to you in a country where I can comfortably tell the U.N. children to leave.

◆Choi Soo-young: Actually, last time I looked at it, Israel took control of the UN facility.

◈ Mr. AlphaGo: Of course, there are good reasons for that in Israel.

◇Lee Ik-seon: But how should I say this? Should I say that I'm so confident? Do you think it's because the background of acting recklessly regardless of the eyes of the international community is next to the United States?

◈AlphaGo Sina: Because when the U.S. Middle East policy is now in place based on Israel, where will the U.S. talk to in the Middle East without Israel?

◇Lee Ik-seon: I heard that Netanyahu is at war to turn his attention away from domestic politics because he is unstable and not trusted, and there is something wrong with him.

◈AlphaGo Sina: To be honest, reports about Israel in Korea are too extreme. One side went too far to Israel like this, which was built by some angels, or the other side was too devilishly lacking in the middle. First of all, in Israel, Netanyahu is what Israeli politics is like, there are a few political parties in each faction or in the background of the country they moved to, and those parties enter the National Assembly at plus or minus 5% almost every election. So Netanyahu is always 30% plus minus. I can't go over it and I can't go down. So sometimes people have never had more than 30% or 50% of Netanyahu's approval rating, but he's the one who always took other parties to form a cabinet and sit as prime minister. As a result, there was a time when this person was politically unstable, not because of this, but because he was trying to amend the constitution, but because of the corruption, I'm so nervous right now. I saw the corruption. It's not just an expensive cigarette or something like 1.52 billion billion won, but it's not a big part of receiving business with my wife and going somewhere. Of course, even if there is a political problem because of that, it is not a big crisis that makes you unable to go out in your cell.

◆ Choi Soo-young: It's not a corruption scandal, is it?

◈AlphaGo Sina: There is corruption, but not enough corruption to shake the regime.

◆Choi Soo-young: In our case, we knew the degree of violation of the Kim Young-ran Act and the degree of violation of the Unfair Solicitation Prohibition Act. But why is Trump blatantly covering Israel?

◈AlphaGo Sina: First of all, their voters want it. That's basically what Republican supporters think. And of course, I don't know if it has an impact or not, but my son-in-law is also Jewish, but what kind of Jewish he is is is a conservative Jew.

◆Choi Soo-young: Trump's cover for Israel like that should be viewed as an election strategy, right?

◈AlphaGo Sina: We have election strategies and we have diplomatic strategies. Covering Israel makes Iran a little uncomfortable. There are also GCC countries that want it. The GCC countries don't like Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, of course, Israel, but they don't publicly say no. But I hate Iran so much. So from these people's perspective, these countries like to go to the United States and bicker with Iran.

◆Choi Soo-young: I understand a little bit. Many people thought Netanyahu was pushing this war to the extreme because they were afraid of being toppled.

◈ Mr. AlphaGo: What I mean by Netanyahu is that Palestinians already have a country. Jordan In the past, during the British colonies, we already had the Palestinians go and make Jordan from there, and then this is Israel. I'm the one who actually says what I said then. He's moving according to his beliefs, but he's not the type to move because he's afraid.

◇Lee Ik-seon: I see. Until when is Netanyahu's term?

◈AlphaGo Sina: We have two years left, and we don't know if we're going to go like this or not. Because the cabinet is such a strange one, Netanyahu has become a progressive person in Netanyahu's cabinet now. Because there were too many big conservatives in the Cabinet.

◇ Lee Ik-seon: I see. Then, if you don't finish your term properly, you said earlier that you think it will be Trump, right? What percentage do you expect it to be?

◈AlphaGo Sina: Without interference in domestic affairs, without election tampering, it's Trump.

◇ Profit line: But isn't Trump hating Netanyahu now?

◈AlphaGo Sina: You don't hate Israel even though you hate it on the inside. So for now, we're going to go the way Israel wants.

◆Choi Soo-young: Are you really going to take this opportunity to put pressure on Hamas Hezbollah even after removing the Hamas No. 1 Sinwar?

◈AlphaGo Sina: I didn't understand what it was at first, but seeing it hit Syria. Israel certainly can't get rid of Hezbollah completely, of course. It's almost impossible to get rid of those things completely, but it's still trying to cut off Hezbollah's route. So even if I help Iran not to help Hezbollah, I think I'm working on it now, about 5% or 10% compared to the past.

◇ Interest line: But Israel always has that risk of some kind of retaliation damage within its own people or its territory.

◈AlphaGo Sina: It went up a little recently. Originally, Israelis are surprised right now. Because look at the history of Israel. I've never fought a war in so long. A month and a half at the most, and now the warring people are not former soldiers, they were originally programmed at a large company, or they were in their 20s and 30s in the marketing team. So now Israel's economy has shrunk by about 1%. So let's wrap it up quickly for the Israelis, but let's not just wrap it up, but let's do a little bit. So now there are politicians who were former soldiers. There are now politicians who used to be captains or commander-in-chief of national defense. In their view, Netanyahu is at war without setting military goals, so this is a problem. For example, soldiers criticize that this is our goal and that we should go and fight a little bit.

◆Choi Soo-young: That's a very valid point. Exactly that's it for me, but I'm going to go to war. It's a war until you get rid of him, but the word "destruction" means that you won't save a single person, but it's impossible.

◈AlphaGo Sina: No, then what will Hamas do overseas?

◇ Lee Ik-seon: I see. Then, won't there be any problem with your morale falling?

◈AlphaGo Sina: So now, of course, Iran has contracted to some extent. That's something that should be acknowledged, but it's the first time Israel has been damaged militarily like this. So in the Middle East, it is called the axis of Iranian resistance, and all of a sudden, favorable reviews are rising. That's why Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates are so uncomfortable right now.

◆Choi Soo-young: But I read a report that Netanyahu's personal experience also plays a role. So, Netanyahu's brother or maybe his brother died in the war, and even Netanyahu was a former special forces officer. So it's a little bit more hateful and, in other words, more willing to annihilate.

◈AlphaGo Sina: I don't know if there's even hatred, because people don't know, but in fact, Netanyahu gets votes from Arabs. For example, Netanyahu makes video calls to pro-Israeli people in Saudi Arabia. Don't worry. We don't like Arabs. He's an amazing person who keeps in touch with Saudi people like this. You have to admit that you're going to admit it. So what he's talking about is that we're not Palestinians in our country, we're Arabs. The population of Israel is 9 million, and 2 million are Arab. We're good to them, so why do we have to make Palestinians separately? Whether a person who doesn't want to live here goes to Jordan or lives down here in a little bit of an autonomous district, his political ideology is so strong that he goes accordingly. I don't know if there's any evidence, but there's that. He wants to be in the next Ben Gurion position. When it comes to Korea, the second president, Syngman Rhee. Now, I want to finish all the problems that occurred during this founding process, the Palestinian issue, and so on, and become the second leader to put Israel on a complete trajectory.

◇ Lee Ik-seon: I see. Then, I think Trump is almost there. If Harris becomes Harris, he has strongly said that this is likely to be manipulated, but the possibility is open. In any case, what changes will happen to the Middle East when Harris becomes Harris and when Trump becomes Trump?

◈AlphaGo Sina: Once Harris becomes, the Israeli war will end in a way that Israel does not want. And Iran will once again negotiate a nuclear deal. Because what the Democratic Party wants now is to make Iran and China wake up, but Iran is a variable. Iran needs to get out of there. It's easier to work if Iran is not included in Russia and China. But there's something like that, but the Democrats say, "We give Russia what Russia wants, and we have to make it come to our senses." The Republican Party is done if Russia takes only eastern Ukraine anyway, but we have to make it come to our senses. So, if you're going to play with China, you don't need Iran or not. And Israel, we are always protecting it, so we don't have to care about Iran because we are not on good terms with it. So if Trump becomes Trump, the Middle East will be in chaos. Of course, Trump is also unpredictable, so something might happen.

◆Choi Soo-young: But if you look at the news yesterday, there were reports that Iran would retaliate against Israel before the US presidential election, but it's actually tomorrow's presidential election. So can Iran retaliate between today and tomorrow?

◈AlphaGo Sina: That's blackmail, because the person who said it was Khamenei. So if you look at what he has said so far, Khamenei is a person who has played a role in preventing retaliation or calming down when the atmosphere is tense. But this person says this. It could be a threat, or it could really make you do something. But what is certain is that the actions and remarks that Khamenei has been doing are completely opposite.

◆ Choi Soo-young: We should see it as a political statement.

◇ Interest line: But we can no longer deter Israel when the U.S. retires. This is the position.

◈AlphaGo Sina: As you know, the U.S. blocked it this time. What's the point of blocking Israel from the United States? You don't know that, do you? Israel is not an independent defense country. Every year, the United States is originally 3.5 trillion won, but since it's a war now, they just bring me tens of trillion won. That's why Israel is not a self-defense country. But if the United States cuts off the top of the capital, Israel is over.

◇Lee Ik-seon: Oh, I thought it was defense often.

◈AlphaGo Sina: But even so, you need money, you need weapons, you need to produce all of them, you need money.
◆Choi Soo-young: If you want to go to war for about a year, you need a lot of weapons and firepower.

◈AlphaGo Sina: This war won't last long if the U.S. didn't give it to us. The U.S. decided to go with Israel after the 60-year war, and if it hadn't helped the U.S. during the 60-year war or the 72-year war, it would have flown to the Arab people of Israel.

◇Lee Ik-seon: Actually, the people don't know the entire process of the Middle East war in detail. They say they're surprised to see a video of a bombing in the air. Personally, the most surprising thing was the Pippi terror incident. But if you start from the planning stage, it's been a long time, very persistent, meticulous, and long-term operation. Looking at this, I realized that Israel is a very scary country. Wouldn't you say that there was such an evaluation in the international community and that it was inhumane? Because when the bomb exploded, not only the person concerned but also the people around him were damaged.

◈AlphaGo Sina: But Israel was rather confident in this case. The most human of all the military operations we've done so far are almost all Hezbollah-related people, and in that case, isn't there the least chance of civilians dying? Now look at it now. There are over 40,000 people in Gaza right now. Then 40,000 people are not Hamas. In comparison, the question arises whether it is more commendable when comparing the proportion of civilians killed in the Pippi incident with the number of civilians killed in Gaza. But you said Israel is scary, but there are no groups or organizations in the Middle East that are not scary.

◆Choi Soo-young: I see. Now we're talking about the Middle East war, but we can't overlook the impact of the U.S. presidential election on the war in Ukraine as well as the Middle East. Then, depending on the results of the presidential election, Trump or Harris will be at a crossroads between the end of the war in Ukraine or a definite war, what do you think?

◈AlphaGo Sina: I met with Ilya this morning, and what I'm saying is, for example, if he becomes Trump, he'll have a lot of demands from Putin, so he'll bump into Trump. But when I see the interviews and speeches that Trump talked about Putin, I think Trump will just use what Putin wants. Rather, I'm almost convinced that if Trump becomes Trump, the war will end really quickly.

◆Choi Soo-young: Well, since Trump has been Biden so far, I've said again that negotiations with Putin wouldn't have lasted that long if it were me.

◈AlphaGo Sina: No, for example, there's this saying, but I don't know if it should come from the mouth of someone who's been president of the United States. There's a saying like this. What would Harris do in front of Putin? I'm not scared in front of Putin. I think in the mental world, Putin is a little too strong. We have to analyze the person's mental world by analyzing the words we used then one by one, but I wasn't scared in front of Putin. It was hard. Did you think of being scared? No, I didn't say anything in the U.S. No one

◆Choi Soo-young: In Korean, I didn't think I was scared in front of North Korean leader Kim Jong-un.

◈AlphaGo Sina: It's over. I'll be done in a minute.

◇ Lee Ik-seon: I see. We don't really know the Middle East. In fact, I don't know well, and I think it's because I just saw foreign media that came up fragmentarily, but you covered it on the spot. And you've heard it. What else do we need to know now? What do you think we should look at more carefully through the report?

◈AlphaGo Sina: Everyone thinks that the Middle East and the Arab are all the same, but they're not actually the same. First of all, Arabs are Muslims. No. There are so many Arabs who believe in Christianity. It starts almost the same time as Jesus, and there are people who believe until one day, and all Middle Eastern Arabs are now pro-American or anti-American. It's not that either. Depending on what the country went through in the process of birth, the country is anti-American or pro-American. So the Middle East Arab has various interests and various economic and political systems, so I don't think we should generalize them first. I think we need to know this much before we start.

◆Choi Soo-young: I think it'll be the last question, but North Korea is in Ukraine anyway. We said 99% and Zelensky is here, so how does this variable work for us?

◈AlphaGo Sina: I went to Africa last year. Since last year, I've been talking about the Niger and Burkina Faso incidents on the show. But the view doesn't come out and people don't care. The reason why I'm talking about that is because I kicked out all the French soldiers from Niger and Burkina Faso, and Russia came into it. And even though it wasn't completely fact-checked, there was some news that Russia was trying to do some soldiers there. For the war in Ukraine, because Russia is trying to make sure that the war doesn't make its people feel as much as possible. So there are people who use a lot of soldiers or who look like Asians in Asia. They mobilized more people, so I saw that if there was a request for Russia to take soldiers from Burkina Faso and Niger now, I think North Korea would come in here or Russia would go and make an offer to North Korea, but to conclude, Russia needs cheap soldiers. You might say it's too slang, but that's why I went and brought it.

◆ Choi Soo-young: Nothing more, nothing less.

◇ Proficiency line: Yes. AlphaGo Sina C, a reporter specializing in the Middle East at today's non-political talks. I went over the situation in the Middle East today, and I heard that you have to go to the Middle East again, so take care of yourself. Thank you for talking with me today.