Kim Yong-min said, "尹 confessed to 'intervention in the nomination' in the conference...與 We need to demand a defection."

◆ [YTN Radio SHINYUL's news]
■ Broadcasting: FM 94.5 (17:00-19:00)
■ Air date: November 7, 2024 (Thursday)
■ Proceedings: Shin Yul, Professor of Political Science and Diplomacy at Myongji University
■ Dialogue: Kim Yong-min, member of the Democratic Party of Korea

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- I feel like I'm hearing the bluff of a talkative senior.It's hard to hear
- 尹 understands very low levels of foreign affairs and security
- Is changing phone numbers the solution? I can't believe it.Special prosecutor should be accepted immediately
- 尹, false explanation again today...野 Never approached in a rude way
- 尹, overbearing attitude over apology...approval rating will drop further
- Pollution transcript, more than a few hundred..Currently under consideration
-Revised Constitution to Shorten Term, confirmed by referendum..The right to elect includes the right to dismiss - 與 needs to defect to make a living..You have to decide to break up with the president.
◆ Shin Yul: Shin Yul's news head-to-head match begins part 2. Kim Yong-min of the Democratic Party of Korea is the one we will meet in the front interview of the second part today. You're in the studio right now. Please come in.

◇ Kim Yong-min: Yes, hello.

◆ Did you see it earlier? Presidential Statement Plus Press Conference There

◇ Kim Yong-min: I saw it. I watched it carefully today.

◆ Shin Yul: You're giving me a general review.

◇ Kim Yong-min: To give you a general review, I felt like I heard a really talkative senior bluffing at a drinking party. It was really hard. It was hard to hear and I was a little embarrassed. I was frustrated to see that he apologized for two hours of unilaterally talking about things that were far from the people's thoughts and continuing to point out that this is a problem, but he apologized so that I couldn't understand what he was apologizing for and continued consistently. In addition, we are talking about very low levels of diplomacy and security, not about the level that the people can trust. So, looking at these things in general, I couldn't find the will to lead the state administration properly as a president today, and I just thought that I wanted to escape this current position somehow.

◆ Shin Yul: You just said it's a low level, but to be more specific,

◇ Kim Yong-min: For example, President Trump of the United States is now newly elected, and I asked him how he would take the relationship with this side, and he just lists who he is and who he is because he values connections and such. That's why they say they'll mobilize all these people. In that state, you should have said that you would solve the problem normally under the national system first, and you shouldn't have listed them even if you were going to use those individual connections. How can we talk about who we are going to use to negotiate with that government from now on? So I thought, "This is really a strategy that I have this kind of strategy," and it just ends up bragging about it, and it's not like there's a strategy that's really there, but I don't even know how to approach it."

◆ Shin Yul: How did you see the solution related to the Kim Gun-hee problem?

◇ Kim Yong-min: Yes, we have a lot of quarrels between couples and change cell phone numbers, but the solution is finally. It doesn't make sense. First of all, we need to accept the special prosecutor right away. I'll accept the special counsel. You should've said it like this. While talking about the special prosecution earlier, he says that the special prosecution that the Democratic Party claims is unconstitutional. He said, "What is the reason for the unconstitutionality?" and said, "The National Assembly does everything that determines the subject of the special prosecution and the special prosecution." That is, it violates the president's right to personnel affairs. That's why he said it's unconstitutional. However, the same structure is true of Choi Soon-sil's special prosecutor on state affairs, where President Yoon Suk Yeol participated in the special prosecution. The structure is the same. In addition, the Constitutional Court has already decided that the independent counsel law is constitutional. So the argument that it's unconstitutional is wrong. In the meantime, the Democratic Party of Korea does not do it alone, but the president says that the special prosecution was possible when the president accepted it or the ruling party accepted it in previous governments. If so, it is a much more important issue now than the previous governments' special prosecution, and numerous suspicions have been raised, and even the president's voice recording has been released. If this is a matter of such magnitude regarding the intervention of the nomination, the president should quickly accept the special prosecutor. He doesn't accept it, but he just says that the special prosecutor is all wrong and that he will endure it somehow. So, the solution itself is wrong, except for the special prosecutor. That's how I see it.

◆ What is it? I appointed him to build an annex and the construction is over. How do you rate it?

◇ Kim Yong-min: We should have done that earlier. But that doesn't eliminate the problems that have already occurred now. The so-called crime has already occurred, and then the things that can prevent it can be referred to in the sentencing later, but there is no obstacle to punishing crimes that have already occurred. So we need to quickly investigate these crimes, which are already highly suspicious, and take appropriate legal action accordingly. That's what I think. You have to accept that first.

◆ Shin Yul: I remember there was something about the opposition party today, and I think the president also felt quite insulting about the absence of his speech. In that respect, there was also an evaluation that the opposition party should think twice. So, of course, if it's the opposition party, it's good to attack the government and the ruling party, but some people say that there are ways and places. What did you think?

◇ Kim Yong-min: It may be true in principle, but the president gave a false explanation today about the situation at that time. Let me tell you what it is. The president said that when he came to deliver his speech, opposition lawmakers were protesting at the Rotender Hall and then only half of them did not enter the plenary session of the National Assembly, but that's a lie. We did protest, but we purposely considered the meaning of the president's speech and held a silent protest at that time. After the protest, the president's administrative speech was at 10 o'clock, but they were already seated in the plenary session hall before 10 o'clock. So by the time the president entered, all the members of our party were already there. That's why we didn't ignore the president or approach him in any very disrespectful way, as you said. Rather, the whole nation knows how much the president has ignored the National Assembly and how he has treated it, and that's already being seen as a very low approval rating. That's why the president has to respect the National Assembly first. In particular, a municipal speech is a request to the National Assembly, the representative of the people, to approve next year's budget because we want to spend such a budget. Then, the more you do that, the more you should respect the National Assembly, but I don't think it's time for you to do that without respecting the National Assembly itself, and then say it like that now with the opposition party's silent protests.

◆ Sin Yul: Anyway, the press conference for the public statement is over. How do you think the polls will come out next week?

◇ Kim Yong-min: I think I'm going to lose more weight. The people I'm meeting online or offline were already very angry today. And I keep getting text messages and messages. That was too much. But I looked forward to it, but it was too much than I expected. I'm getting these texts and messages right now. I think that's why many people are really disappointed. In the past, former President Park Geun Hye held a press conference and apologized to the people when the state affairs manipulation issue occurred, but I think it is more serious than then. At that time, one of the things that the people accepted as a fake apology was not sincere was that I felt ashamed that I became the president to do this. We were very shocked and angry because of these expressions. President Yoon Suk Yeol's statement and press conference today are just pressuring the people from beginning to end and approaching them in an overbearing position, saying, "I didn't do anything wrong. Then the people should take a picture of what they did wrong to me and tell me." So, when a lot of reporters ask you a question instead, you say, "You're wrong," so it seems like you're not going to listen to anything at all. Everyone will remember, but if you look at the posture that the president did while reading the statement during the press conference, the high-handed posture comes out the same when he met with representative Han Dong-hoon. If you extended your arms like this and said that today is a place to apologize to the people and express your gratitude,

◆ Isn't it a habit?

◇ Kim Yong-min: You should have been careful even if it was a habit. On a day like today, the etiquette was wrong. And he talks informally in the middle. Looking at these things, I think the people would have accepted that they really didn't come out to make a sincere apology.

◆ Sin Yul: You've seen it closely. I had a class at that time, so I couldn't watch it. I watched it again on YouTube while eating. Anyway, that's why it's even more so. But there's one thing I'm curious about right now. Does the Democratic Party have a lot of recordings related to Myung Tae-kyun? Now

◇ Kim Yong-min: Yes, I've received a lot of reports and I'm still working on the analysis.

◆ Sin-ryul: How many hundred is that?

◇ Kim Yong-min: I know it's quite a lot. I didn't analyze it myself, so I don't know the exact number, but I know that it's more than a few hundred units.

◆ Synthesis: If it's more than a few hundred units, about 1,000 units

◇ Kim Yong-min: I don't know the exact number, but I heard that it's more than a few hundred.

◆ Sin Yul: So now what is that? After listening to this recording, I'll reveal what I'm going to reveal and keep going like this.

◇ Kim Yong-min: I think that's going to happen. But actually, even if we want to release additional recordings, I think there will be more clear recordings in the future than the self-admitted confession development by the president. You clearly admitted to intervening in the nomination. And during today's press conference, he admitted to intervening in the nomination. This person is

◆ Shin Yul: I haven't seen anything like that.

◇ Kim Yong-min: It was a very serious thing to say, "Who can the president recommend, who can he recommend, who can he recommend to take a good look at this person?" and give an example. That's because we got recommendations from all over the country in the general election, so we handed over the list of people to the Human Resources Commission. That's what I said. That in itself intervened until the general election. How does the party ignore these people's recommendations when the president hands them over to the Talent Recruitment Committee? That's an impossible story. So you confessed today that this itself intervened in the general election.

◆ Shin-ryul: But there's a rumor that it's just an opinion and an example, but since you're a lawyer-turned-lawyer, you're just

◇ Kim Yong-min: That's right. That's possible in general cases. If I recommend this person to the power of the people, that's a recommendation. It's literally a general story. But if the Yoon Suk Yeol president, who is very powerful and has substantial influence over almost everyone in the party, plus complete control of the prosecution, recommends someone, how would he ignore it? It's a very serious pressure on some political influence in terms of status. I have no choice but to accept it as pressure. Whether this is pressure or not should be evaluated from the perspective of the person who accepts it, not the person who exercised it, but of course, this is taken as pressure.

◆ Sin Yul: So the Democrats are going to continue to raise the question with this?

◇ Kim Yong-min: Of course, I think we should raise the issue. I'm planning to do it in the future.

◆ Is this the 9th? Let's have another outdoor rally. Can it be connected to that?

◇ Kim Yong-min: I don't know. The outdoor rally is held at City Hall Square on November 9th, where we strongly urge and demand the special prosecutor. At the square in front of the city hall, we think more people will pour into the streets because of their anger than we did last week, but we will continue to clearly explain our position on Special Prosecutor Kim Gun-hee because the citizens' voluntary participation and public opinion will increase the possibility of accepting the people's power and the president. In addition to that, in fact, the resignation of the president is already too easy to talk about inside and outside the party and on the streets. So we also think that we need to check how high the aspirations of the president's resignation are of the citizens and how high the desire for judgment is.

◆ Shin Yul: Let me ask you two questions. I asked you about the meeting on the 16th and you said there were more before that, but I'm just curious about this. Well, the Democratic Party said it's 300,000 now. The rally on November 2nd, but there are 12,000 police officers, but they usually catch a little police. There's that, but the difference is too big. But TV Chosun paid for this. If you take at least the amount per person compared to that area, the calculation is several here and 32,000, but the difference is huge. I don't know what's going on.

◇ Kim Yong-min: I know we estimate it by area, but I don't know exactly because I don't estimate it, but if you look at it by time, it's probably a little different.

◆ Synthesis: Time zone

◇ Kim Yong-min: It was filled up to Namdaemun, and then there was a line all the way to City Hall Square. So, if you add up the crowd behind it, it's 300,000 so that's why I estimated it that way. A lot of people actually came.

◆ Shin Yul: And what I'm curious about is that the Cho Kuk Innovation Party will hold a joint rally with the Cho Kuk Innovation Party on the 16th. The Cho Kuk Innovation Party will talk about impeachment very openly and stay still. It's probably on the 10th or the 10th when the impeachment draft was announced. As far as I remember, they insist on impeachment, but the Democrats don't officially talk about impeachment. But if we hold a joint rally together on the 16th, how should we interpret it?

◇ Kim Yong-min: I don't know. It's about the organizers of each rally making their own voices heard. In fact, there are many people who are frustrated about why the Democratic Party of Korea is still insisting on impeachment or, in my case, a constitutional amendment to shorten the term of office, but they don't officially talk about such things. But it's not that we're not listening to those voices, but as soon as we make it official, we have to go through that process. Because we have a majority in the National Assembly, we have a majority of more than 150 seats, so I think the first thing to do is that we will be able to formalize the process when we decide to implement it.

◆ Shinryul: Proceedings are impeachment proceedings

◇ Kim Yong-min: For example, if you say you're impeaching, so if you decide to impeach, you have to propose an impeachment motion. We're a party that can be initiated alone. So, as soon as we make it public, we have to come up with the next action plans, so we have no choice but to go a little later on that. The other is that even if it's impeachment or voluntary resignation is impossible, or even if it's a constitutional amendment to shorten the term of office, the premise for that is the special prosecutor. We are doing our best to do the special prosecution law because we believe that they can be combined in a situation where the Kim Gun-hee Special Prosecutor Act is passed and legal responsibility is held. So, it's natural to speak out in various units at rallies on the 16th or the 9th because it's a square, and there are many Democratic supporters who agree with that position, so you can freely argue that in the square.

◆ Shin Yul: Representative Kim Yong-min is a lawyer and insists on a constitutional amendment to shorten his term, not impeachment. Why aren't you claiming impeachment?

◇ Kim Yong-min: Actually, I was one of the first to insist on impeachment, but there are one or two main reasons for insisting on a constitutional amendment to shorten the term of office. One is that I think it could be practically faster than impeachment. The constitutional amendment to shorten the two-year term means that the president's term will be completed in May next year. Even if we proceed with the impeachment process, it is still unknown whether the impeachment decision can be made by May next year or when it will be proposed, but it may be unclear. So it can be faster. This is why I'm talking about the constitutional amendment to shorten the term of office. Second, this is the most important reason. In the case of impeachment, the Constitutional Court decides to dismiss the president, but the people directly dismiss the president in the constitutional amendment to shorten the term of office. Because the constitutional amendment is confirmed by a referendum. So I think it is more appropriate for the people to directly judge and dismiss the president in a way that realizes national sovereignty. That's why they're insisting on a constitutional amendment. Don't we have the National Assembly or the people elect the president? I interpret that this right to elect includes the right to dismiss. This is because it is a Supreme Court precedent, but the Supreme Court precedent is that when appointing someone, the right to appoint includes the right to dismiss. In other words, the people also have the power to dismiss Lee for a president elected by the people. That's why it's emphasizing that the people directly dismiss them through the constitutional amendment.

◆ Sin-ryul: But I'm much more of a lawyer than I am, so as you know, if you look at Article 128, Paragraph 2 of the Constitution right now. The constitutional amendment to extend the president's term or change his term of office is not effective against the president at the time of the proposal for constitutional amendment, but constitutional scholars are conflicting over this provision. There are constitutional scholars who argue that shortening the term of office is not applicable, and others say that shortening the term should not be included because it was included in the purpose of not linking the term with constitutional stability.
◇ Kim Yong-min: It's simple in the literature. There is no shortening of constitutional terms in the literature. In the literature, when interpreting the law, the first is the interpretation of the literature. Of course, it's possible because it's not in the literature. Then, of course, it is possible considering the purpose of this constitutional provision. Because we've been continuing to extend our tenure through military dictatorship. If you revise the Constitution, don't do it. In other words, it is possible to shorten the term of office. In addition to the purpose, there is a conflict that the right to enact the constitution and the right to amend the constitution is divided, but in the end, the question of what is the limit when revising the constitution is entered into constitutional studies. Even that provision you just mentioned can be amended, and it's a common discussion in constitutional studies. However, because of some historical consideration, it is only acceptable for the people to amend the provision and apply it to the president of the party, and it is very much the position of the Constitutional Society that even the provision can be amended.

◆ Shin Yul: And it's about other people's party, but what do you think the relationship between Representative Han Dong-hoon and President Yoon Suk Yeol will be like after this Damhwa press conference today?

◇ Kim Yong-min: It's hard to predict it easily. I am representative Han Dong-hoon and in the power of the people, this is enough to call for the president to leave the party. It's a serious situation that it's still not coming out like that. In addition, the president's approval rating is now at an all-time low. It's lower than it was around the time of former President Park Geun Hye's impeachment. However, the public's support rate for power is not falling that much. In other words, it's a decoupling phenomenon now, and if it starts to look like one at some point, the people's support for power will also decrease. At the time of former President Park Geun Hye's impeachment, the popularity of the People's Party at that time began to decline. That's why we need to decide quickly and break up with the president. I would like to give you some advice that the power of the people will have a way to live.

◆ Shin Yul: One more simple thing, but why can't the Democratic Party get a reflective benefit?

◇ Kim Yong-min: I think that's the answer if you listen to the citizens on the streets in that square. It's not whether the Democratic Party does well or not, but more people say that they want the Democratic Party to come forward and solve these situations, and I don't know if you think there is no reflective benefit in the actual Democratic Party, but our approval rating is steadily rising. Little by little, the National Assembly is working hard, so it's actually going up little by little. So the Democratic Party of Korea is leading this phase a little bit more, so one of the reasons I'm advocating for constitutional amendment is that we should lead this phase a little more from the Uri Party's point of view.

◆ Shin Yul: Thank you for coming out today.

◇ Kim Yong-min: Thank you.

◆ Shin Yul: I was Kim Yong Min of the Democratic Party of Korea.