[News NIGHT] Ruling and opposition parties, "Amendment to the Special Prosecutors Act" battle...Lee Jae-myung's 'guilty and innocent' public opinion contest

■ Hosted by: anchor Sung Moon-gyu
■ Starring: Eom Kyung-young, director of the Center for Spiritual Research in the Age, Park Won-seok, former lawmaker of the Justice Party

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[Anchor]
It's a focus night time to point out the news of political interest. Today, we will be joined by Eom Kyung-young, head of the Institute for Spiritual Research in the Era, and Park Won-seok, former lawmaker of the Justice Party. Hello, both of you. Ahead of the plenary session of the National Assembly the day after tomorrow, the Democratic Party repeatedly pressed representative Han Dong-hoon to cooperate with the first lady Kim's independent counsel law. As the ruling party opposes this, the war of nerves between the two sides is going rough. Let's hear the related remarks first.

[Park Chan-dae / Floor Leader of the Democratic Party of Korea: Han Dong-hoon, who used to talk about the public's eyes and public sentiment, got lost and is driving backwards. After President Yoon Suk Yeol's statement to the public, he has changed his complexion and is saying as if all the problems will be solved by appointing a special inspector. Isn't it a habitual lie to avoid the issue of First Lady Kim Gun-hee, who said that the "Marine Special Prosecutor Act", which he vowed to propose himself, is no news and that the people want it 9 to 1? ]

[Choo Kyung-ho / People's Power Floor Leader: It is a very low-level political behavior to treat making a country's law as a political bargaining object and to abuse the special prosecutor as an attack card that encourages division of the other party. The Democratic Party of Korea is mobilizing all kinds of tricks ahead of the first trial sentence of Lee Jae-myung and his wife. There is no reason for the people's power to play in the Democratic Party's legislative monopoly that uses investigation for politics. I'll make sure to block the trick. ]

[Anchor]
The Democratic Party of Korea is planning to deal with the third Special Prosecutor Kim Act at the plenary session on the 14th. He is lying to CEO Han Dong-hoon. He raised his voice like this, but it is fueling the division of the ruling party. Is it true that floor leader Choo Kyung-ho said so?

[Strict Management]
CEO Han Dong-hoon doesn't tell habitual lies. Floor leader Park is doing it. Originally, representative Han Dong-hoon consistently expressed his opposition to the Kim Gun-hee Special Prosecutor Act since the national convention. So I think I can say that what Park Chan-dae, the floor leader, says is a lie. And if you look at the amendment this time, it contains the toxin clause as it is. So, first of all, the ruling party's right to Vito is set as overlapping. If the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court sets up four candidates for the special prosecution, the Democratic Party and non-interference parties will compress two, but all non-interference parties are aligned with the Democratic Party, which will effectively result in the Democratic Party appointing the special prosecutor. And the other is that if you don't like the independent counsel candidate recommended by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, you can request a re-recommendation through the chairman of the National Assembly. Secondly, there are three agendas. The first is the Deutsche Motors stock price manipulation case.
The second is the suspicion of pollack bacteria. And the third is the related cognitive investigation. In other words, it's supposed to be investigated separately. This is what all investigations can be done, for example. I think I can point it out like this.

[Anchor]
I think the people's power is that they cannot accept not only the original draft but also the amendment.

[Park Won-seok]
In the end, the position of the people's power will not accept the special prosecutor in any case. I think it's about this. However, the Democratic Party's second special prosecution bill was to conduct a special prosecution on 13 criminal charges, and the criticism of the public's power is a political offensive. In a way, it is only a political offensive to issue a special prosecution law, including all the suspicious ones that have not even entered the prosecution's investigation stage. And because of the toxic clause, this is an unconstitutional bill and is unacceptable. I've been criticizing like this. Since the Democratic Party of Korea calls it a political offensive, let's reduce it to two based on practical suspicions and recommend it to a third party without the content that was mentioned as a toxic clause. On the contrary, the fact that they can't even receive such a restriction means that they will reject the power of the people, even the suspicions that should be revealed through the investigation related to Kim Gun-hee. Representative Han Dong-hoon insisted on the appointment of a special inspector, so the president accepted it, but in my view, it is a repetition of the principle rather than acceptance, and it will probably be concluded soon by the People's Power Congress. As you know, the special inspector is a preventive system and has only an inspection function, so he cannot investigate what has already happened and has no compulsory investigation right. However, from the public and public perspectives that Han Dong-hoon has been emphasizing, Kim Gun-hee's alleged manipulation of Deutsche Motors' stock price and suspicions related to Myung Tae-kyun are not investigated by a special prosecutor, but the current prosecution has already cleared him of charges in the case of Deutsche Motors' stock price manipulation and there is no possibility of a proper investigation into the Myung Tae-kyun case. I think it's very different from the public sentiment that CEO Han Dong-hoon has been talking about so far and that he can't do the special prosecution now. It will probably be reconsidered after the bill is vetoed around the 28th. Last time, four people left. There is a possibility of such a departure this time as well. If public opinion does not recover until then, and public opinion worsens or new suspicions arise, at least among lawmakers who did not speak within the National Assembly should clear up the suspicions related to Kim Gun-hee. There is a possibility that there will be such a hidden departure ticket, so it can be seen as a paving stone to drive such a thing.

[Anchor]
The opposition parties, including the Democratic Party, are expecting the ruling party's vote to leave.Anyway, the close circle is rejecting the special prosecutor bill itself, and as you said, we will focus on recommending the special inspector. Is this going to be natural, how about it?

[Strict Management]
On the 14th, let's say it's Super Day. It's the day when President Yoon leaves the Peruvian summit, and as you said, it's the day when the National Assembly will pass the Kim Gun-hee Special Counsel Act, and the special inspector general's general meeting will be held, and all these big things will be done, such as the substantive examination of Myung Tae-kyun. The introduction of a special inspector is likely to be demanded in the order of party affiliation within the power of the people. I'd like to give you a little supplementary explanation about the Special Prosecutor Act. In fact, the special prosecution law that is really necessary is to make it with what happened in the Yoon Suk Yeol government. But I told you three things earlier, and the first one is that you know all about the Deutsche Motors stock price manipulation, but it happened between around 2010 and 2016. So it has absolutely nothing to do with the government of Yoon Suk Yeol. And so is the suspicion of pollack bacteria. I've never dealt with the internal election issue in the past as a special prosecutor. And isn't this the day before the launch of May 9th? So this is also a very complicated issue. So, even if First Lady Kim Gun-hee or President Yoon tried to get involved in something, the investigation into such parts as Lee Joon-seok, the party leader at the time, and Yoon Sang-hyun, the chairman of the mission committee, must be conducted first. So this is also an independent counsel that has nothing to do with the Yoon Suk Yeol government. So the special prosecutor itself has a flaw. That's what I think.

[Anchor]
I don't have much time today, so I'll listen to you as we move forward with this story. Recently, there was this story on the bulletin board of the People's Power Party. There were a lot of articles criticizing President Yoon and First Lady Kim, but now it is controversial as pro-Yoon-gye demanded a party audit. Let's hear what it's about.

[Kim Min-jeon / Supreme Council Member of People's Power ('Channel A Radio Show Political Signal') : Didn't the members of Han Dong-hoon, his names, and the families of Han Dong-hoon write (criticizing President Yoon) on the bulletin board? You don't need to show your full social security number because these claims keep coming out. I need to evolve this quickly in that way because just showing a few digits of my social security number is a way to show that my representative Han Dong-hoon is not. I said that we need an audit of what went wrong and what happened. ]

[Anchor]
So, many slanderous articles about President Yoon and his wife were posted on the bulletin board of the People's Power Party, and it is argued that the author seems to have been actually done by Han's family. Isn't it supposed to be written anonymously on the bulletin board?

[Strict Management]
So you have to prove it. For example, you need to put your name and social security number to sign up. So the name is hidden, but you can roughly tell who's writing it.

[Anchor]
Only the last name comes out, but the last two names don't come out.

[Strict Management]
That's right. It's like that. In fact, it's hard to say that this is related to CEO Han Dong-hoon or his family, but CEO Han Dong-hoon rarely does online activities, including SNS. So, I'm only posting about the level and official stories on Facebook from time to time. And in the case of craftsmen, they are 79 years old now. So, I don't think it's very likely that it will join the party's bulletin board and post it like this.

[Anchor]
Go ahead.

[Park Won-seok]
I can't tell you whether it's true or not, but I think that the people's power is still very idle when there are talks about party audits within the party and the battle is going on. The president's approval rating has fallen below 20 percent, and even conservative media outlets have stepped up to the president's press conference last week, and is that an apology? In the face of such criticism, normal state administration is not being managed, but it is always the case that the party's bulletin board is divided into pro-Yoon and close groups. If you go there, there's CEO Han Dong-hoon's curse and Yoon Suk Yeol's president's curse. Of course, I don't know the authenticity. I don't know if it's the same name
or if the actual family members posted it on the bulletin board.Ma should take this as the subject of a dispute within the party and even investigate it in some quarters. When I see you come up with these opinions.

[Anchor]
The mayor of Hong Joon Pyo said that.

[Park Won-seok]
The power of the people is still idle. I think it's time to do that.

[Strict Management]
But there's also this part. Now, the public's support rate for power is falling, and President Yoon's crisis is actually intensifying. There are two air currents within the conservatives. First, let's resolve the state administration difficulties centered on President Yoon Suk Yeol, and let's rebuild the conservative atmosphere centered on representative Han Dong-hoon. Like this, the two opinions are very tight. And this was the peak of the conflict on the 7th of last week, so it was during President Yoon's public speech and press conference. So, as these two currents now collide, some of the hardcore supporters posted these comments. That's what I'm looking at. I think it's a problem that will be solved naturally over time.

[Anchor]
You just saw former Supreme Council member Jang Ye Chan post on Facebook.Ma must have searched this by substituting all the family names while saying that this is CEO Han's suspicion of Druking in the whole family. So all the names of the families came out and they said that the suspicion should be resolved, but floor leader Choo Kyung-ho asked Secretary-General Seo Bum-soo to respond at the party level. I think it's about doing a party audit, what do you think?

[Park Won-seok]
I don't know if that's something to do even a party audit. If you search with a name like that, you shouldn't be able to write with that name. But it's all processed like Kim OO, so all the writings you've written so far come out. So, it is said that security measures have been added in relation to that, but I am deleting the post with that. I'm pointing out this. This is not a level where supporters are fighting against each other, and the party's supreme council member made a demand at the top committee's appearance. It wasn't just one member of the Supreme Council, but we talked about it in turns. After all, is it pro-Yoon or close within the power of the people? There seems to be an aftershock surrounding this initiative. After the presidential press conference, tensions that had previously risen have temporarily decreased.There is a possibility that it will recur at any time if it is in that state, but the question is, is there actually such a big difference between the two, no matter what you do around President Yoon Suk Yeol or rebuild around Representative Han Dong-hoon? In my opinion, I don't think there's much difference, considering that representative Han Dong-hoon lowered his voice and rejected the independent counsel law after President Yoon's press conference. In light of that, I don't know what meaning that has inside the party, but the people can only see that it is very idle.

[Anchor]
Anyway, isn't the conflict between friendly and close friends reigniting in the wake of the party's bulletin board incident? I think that's why the media is focusing on this. And it's the day after the plenary session. On the 15th, it is the first trial date for Lee Jae-myung's violation of the Public Official Election Act. Public opinion battles between the ruling and opposition parties, which each claim guilty and innocent, are also fierce. I'll listen to it myself.

[Han Jun-ho / Supreme Council Member of the Democratic Party of Korea: Let me tell you about the core and truth of the perjury teacher case against party leader Lee Jae-myung. The prosecution wrote the indictment by omitting important remarks and distorting the context. The indictment became a creation because the prosecution concluded that he was unconditionally guilty and charged him in a fitting manner. I believe that the court, the last bastion of human rights and the rule of law, will make the right judgment without being deceived by the prosecution's poor tactics. ]

[Seo Bum-soo / Secretary-General of People's Power: Dog Daughter, she ordered her supporters to mobilize and turned to a public opinion battle. Until the prosecution demanded it, it focused on the prosecution and then changed its strategy to pressure the court. It's very meticulous. There is no nation that does not know Lee's bulletproof incitement, which is a threat to the court to release innocence and aimed at intimidating judges. If you are so sure of innocence, live broadcasting is more effective than announcing innocence through outdoor rallies. ]

[Anchor]
I can't judge you right now.Both the ruling and opposition parties seem to be focusing all their efforts on public opinion to maximize the outcome of the sentence, but they are now pro-Myeonggye organizations. The Democratic National Conference on Innovation I'm getting a signature on the not guilty plea here, and it's already over a million, right?

[Park Won-seok]
Maybe that's the online petition signature. So, rather than having such a weighty meaning, it seems that they are conducting such a signature campaign as a way to gather supporters' support for representative Lee Jae-myung. Of course, you can also file a petition with the court. However, now that a petition is simply a petition, a large number of petitions does not change the content of the judgment. In the future, when Lee Jae-myung's ruling is very important, the leadership issue within the Democratic Party, the political fate of Lee Jae-myung, and the election law, so if he is convicted, the Democratic Party of Korea will have to cough up the preservation cost that was compensated for in the last election if he is sentenced to more than 1 million won. Therefore, I wonder if such an outdoor public opinion contest is also being held. On the same day, there will be a rally in front of the court. But I don't think that the number of rallies is going to change the court's ruling. Of course, the judges and the courts may be concerned about the response of one National Assembly party now, but I don't think it's a matter of turning guilt into innocence or innocence into guilt. We continue to talk about live broadcasts, and I think the court will decide that. There were two live broadcasts of court rulings. Since it was all the first trial rulings of former presidents, I think the court will probably judge whether the opposition leader's first trial sentence has that much weight based on public interest.

[Anchor]
I thought the court would decide as early as today, but today it passed and I don't know how to talk about whether it will be broadcast live, but representative Han Dong-hoon continued to talk about the opposition's large-scale rallies. We will continue to hold rallies on Saturday, but we also held rallies on Friday the day before, and especially on Saturday, the essay exam for college entrance examinations will be held, so I was very concerned about this.

[Strict Management]
That's right. I don't know why the Democratic Party is raising the first trial ruling as a national issue. Because if you're innocent, you just have to wait quietly for the court's ruling. What did Supreme Council member Han Jun-ho say just now? Didn't the court say it was the last bastion of human rights and the last bastion of the rule of law? Then, if you wait for the results, you will be quietly acquitted, so why create such a national issue? There's a part where there's something kenggi. That's what I'm looking at. And on the 15th, after the first trial ruling, the Central District Court will hold a large-scale rally that day, and the essay exam will be held the next day, isn't there a possibility that it will paralyze the entire Seoul like last Saturday? So I think the Democratic Party is mobilizing all these ways of conciliation, appeal, and pressure. So, conciliation increases the court budget at the National Assembly, and appeals are a petition for 1 million people. The next pressure is a large-scale rally in front of the Central District Court. There is certainly a possibility of guilt in pressuring the courts through these things. That's how you admit it. That's what I think.

[Anchor]
However, the video posted by Supreme Council member Han Joon-ho just now is related to the suspicion of perjury teachers. However, on the 15th, the first trial sentence is a violation of the Public Official Election Act, and CEO Lee Jae-myung also posted about the perjury teacher case on his Facebook page. As a result, it seems that they are more focused on the perjury teacher case, which has about 10 days left than the violation of the Public Official Election Act.

[Park Won-seok]
If a perjury teacher is found guilty of charges, the punishment is serious. Perjury teachers are punished more heavily than perjury. And according to the statistics of the judgment related to perjury teachers, 94% of cases are sentenced to imprisonment, that is, imprisonment or higher, including probation, not fine. The conviction rate is also very high. Because of that, I think I paid a lot of attention to the perjury teacher case. In the case of the election law, the ruling comes out earlier, but most of the election laws are fined and there are two issues with the election law, and one is whether you know Kim Moon-ki or not. This is about memory, so there is no possibility of conviction of more than 1 million won. However, regarding Daejang-dong, it was threatened by the Ministry of Land, Infrastructure and Transport. There is an issue such as whether this constitutes a dissemination of false information or whether it was intentional. I don't think the Democratic Party sees the election law as that dangerous. However, as I mentioned earlier, the criminal charge of perjury itself is very heavy, and the person acknowledges the perjury. Kim Jin-sung gave perjury. He also gave perjury at the request of CEO Lee Jae-myung. That's why there is a very unfavorable situation in the trial, and if you're guilty, the punishment is heavy, so I think you're paying more attention.

[Strict Management]
Kim Jin-sung was sentenced to 10 months in the first trial at the prosecution. But the final ruling of the first trial was eight months. But Kim Jin-sung was guilty of perjury. However, since CEO Lee Jae-myung requested three years from the prosecution for the perjury incident, there is a high possibility that he will be suspended for about one to two years. I think we're looking at the view like this. That's why we are maximizing public opinion on the 25th of the first trial. If you look at the video post you just mentioned, CEO Lee Jae-myung said this. Tell me the truth as it is. But the problem is that there is something missing from the video. Please send the final argument on Telegram and tell me exactly as it is. That's what I said. Then, from a common sense point of view, look at the contents of the pleading summary and tell them like this. Can't you understand it like this? That's why people keep talking about perjury teachers.

[Anchor]
However, the power of the people also talks about this. Recently, the Democratic Party of Korea cut the prosecution's special activity expenses and specific work expenses in the Judiciary Committee, and the court budget increased by more than 20 billion won. What should I say about the court, because it's attacking the Democratic Party by highlighting this.

[Park Won-seok]
He is cajoling the court over it. It seems that there is a slightly different context for the prosecution's special activity expenses and specific business expenses to be reduced from the people's power. Until now, the disclosure of details and such things are not faithful and opaque, and in the case of special activity expenses, they are misused differently from the purpose. Because of this criticism, I reduced it because I was very nervous with the prosecution. I don't know if the court administration would care about increasing the court budget, but why would the court in that case care about that? In fact, judges are all independent constitutional institutions and judge them according to their conscience and laws, and a large part of them fall under the discretion of judges in cases such as sentences, but there is no possibility that the court administration or the court budget to care about will be increased or reduced, and there will be any pressure or conciliation on the court. Of course, I can criticize you.Ma thinks it's just a criticism.

[Strict Management]
The specific expense is... For example, transportation costs when you go on a business trip. And when you go on a business trip and eat with someone, it's like the cost of a meal. So I can't move at all without this. Even now, there are many cases where you take out your salary and spend it. So if you cut this, it means not to investigate at all. If it really needed to be cut. And we need to get all the details.Then, what did you do without doing it during the Moon Jae In government? I stayed still then, but now I'm here. And the state administration is no joke, and they cut all these things, and the court raised them even though they didn't ask for it. I think this is a behavior that clearly shows where the Democratic Party will lead the Republic of Korea if it takes power.

[Park Won-seok]
For your information, It's a reduction at the standing committee level and an increase at the standing committee level. However, when the Budget and Accounts Committee is held, the Budget and Accounts Committee's coefficient adjustment subcommittee will finally adjust it, but it is meaningless to come from the standing committee. In fact, there are few cases in previous budget deliberations where cuts and increases at the standing committee are accepted as they are by the Budget and Accounts Committee. So, even if special activity expenses are partially reduced, I believe that certain work expenses will survive because they cannot be investigated without this. I don't know which items in the court budget have been increased and how.Ma wouldn't have increased the budget he didn't ask for. There was a demand.

[Strict Management]
However, the Democratic Party of Korea will urgently put Representative Jang Kyung-tae in the Budget and Accounts Committee and cut him in the Budget and Accounts Committee. I'm showing my will.

[Anchor]
Let's see what happens at the Budget and Accounts Committee. Finally, Rep. Yoon Sang-hyun expected a fine of 800,000 won in connection with the first trial of Lee Jae-myung's violation of the Public Official Election Act on the 15th, but if the fine is 800,000 won, it will be invalidated, but the party is very opposed. What do you guys expect?

[Strict Management]
Rep. Yoon Sang-hyun is a person who stands out from time to time. So, if you say 800,000 won, all the media will report on lawmaker Yoon Sang-hyun's remarks, so I think he deliberately targeted the media. In general, the legal profession and the political community believe that it will cost from 1 million won to 5 million won. So I don't think lawmaker Yoon Sang-hyun's remarks are very sincere.

[Park Won-seok]
Rep. Yoon Sang-hyun will make such a ruling in political consideration by the court. It's a comment like this, but I think it was a bit of a preemptive remark. Rather, I think it's a statement with the intention that it should not be sentenced to less than 1 million won. I don't think it's very meaningful because even within the party pointed out that it's a slip of the tongue. First of all, the prosecution's sentence of less than 1 million won requires considerable relief, with the judge's discretion. However, the typical reasons for the reduction of sentencing are recognition or reflection. However, since CEO Lee Jae-myung does not admit it now and there is no such thing as self-reflection, can it be less than 1 million won by general standards? This is the prevailing observation by experts. However, it may vary depending on what criteria the judge decides on, so the outcome of the sentence should be watched.

[Anchor]
I see. Let's stop listening to what you said today. He was a former lawmaker of the Justice Party, Park Won-seok, head of the Eom Kyung-young Institute for Psychological Research in the Era. Thank you.