□ Broadcast date and time: November 14, 2024 (Thursday)
□ Host: Lee Ik-seon, Choi Soo-young
□ Performers: Lawyer Kang Jeon-ae, Lawyer Jang Yoon-mi
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◇Lee Ik-seon: It's time for Janggang, a famous restaurant in Sisa. It's a segment with lawyers Jang Yoon-mi and Kang Jeon-ae. Lawyer Jang Yoon-mi's Jang, Lawyer Kang Jeon-ae's Kang! Let's legally solve current issues. Hello? In connection with the intervention of the
nomination, a warrant will be reviewed for Myung Tae-kyun and former lawmaker Kim Young-sun, who are suspected of violating the Political Fund Act. In the case of Myung, the possibility of arrest is high due to the possibility of destroying evidence and fleeing, what do you think of lawyer Jang Yoo-mi?
■Jang Yoon-mi: It seems that there is a very high possibility that I will be arrested, so a warrant will be issued. First of all, there are two charges against former lawmaker Kim Young-sun and Myung Tae-kyun. There is one allegation that he used the salary provided to former lawmaker Kim Young-sun in half. Myung Tae-kyun received a total of 240 million won from the candidates for the local elections, 120 million won each. It is said that he gave the money, but one said it was a borrowing relationship, and the other confessed. Then, who paid back the money was Kim Young-sun, a former lawmaker, who transferred 120 million won each to the two people while compensating for the election expenses. The NEC said the flow of money was suspicious, so it filed another complaint. I think the prosecution is relatively confident in the flow of money. It constitutes a crime. It is a violation of the Political Fund Act. However, lawmaker Kim Young-sun also said that the exchange of money with Myung Tae-kyun was because he borrowed money. But when we lend money, we say a lot that when the flow of money is very suspicious in these cases, we received it because it was borrowed money. Then the prosecution is no fool. Then, if there is an IOU and whether the money actually went, then we look at whether there is interest because we usually exchange interest, but there is probably no such flow. Then, from the prosecution's point of view, I think the crime has become quite an explanation. But they both deny the crime that has become their calling. Then, both the fear of escape and the destruction of evidence are high. In particular, Myung Tae-kyun buried his cell phone in his father's oxygen because he was in the process of investigation. But the prosecution checked and found that his father had no oxygen because he used it as a crematorium in the 1980s. And there was a lot of circumstances about this cell phone, saying that he gave his brother-in-law, and even in an interview with a reporter. When the prosecution raided Myung Tae-kyun's house, they said they exchanged the envelopes of Kim Gun-hee because they became an issue, but they didn't search and seizure, so why don't I take this to the investigator? You don't know what this is. I think I was very ridiculed for making fun of the prosecution investigator in this way. Then, the prosecution will have no choice but to put a lot of effort into the warrant, and when this situation is combined, it seems very likely that the court will issue it.
◆Choi Soo-young: What do you think of Representative Kim Young-sun?
■Jang Yoon-mi: For me, lawmaker Kim Young-sun is also attached to this. Legally, it's a common interest. Because we don't talk about money. Then, about former lawmaker Kim Young-sun, they say that the possibility of issuing a warrant is lower than that of Myung Tae-kyun, but I don't think so. If only one of the two investigates without physical detention, the court judges that this part can help to match the outside or destroy evidence, but rather give help to the arrested suspect.
□ Kang Kyung-ae: In the legal profession, I think that Myung Tae-kyun failed to respond properly to the investigation situation, regardless of the party or something. At the Gyeongnam Election Commission in December last year, accounting manager Kang Hye-kyung filed a complaint, and at that time, lawmaker Kim Young-sun and Myung Tae-kyun requested an investigation. However, it seems that he has been converted to a suspect. In the beginning, there was a scene where Myung Tae-kyun seemed to play tricks on the media. Before the investigation, all the media outlets went down to Changwon and tried to meet Myung Tae-kyun, and interviewed only the media that suits his taste. In particular, when it comes to 'oppa text messages', each broadcaster said differently about whether he is the president or his own brother, and about the things that keep changing in any broadcast, and about mobile phones, as lawyer Jang said earlier, things like this can be very disadvantageous later when a warrant request is received. But haven't you appointed a lawyer recently? I saw a lawyer Soyeon Kim interviewed at a media company, and the media said that he was preparing for a warrant review because it was not yet before the warrant request came in. So that was the perspective of the legal profession. What he told the media before that resulted in concerns about the destruction of evidence and a recording of the president's own voice. Personally, I think this is the recording that Myung Tae Gyun did as if he was holding a key in Yongsan, but there are parts where his attitude suddenly becomes very low from the time the recording came out. Because of these things, the prosecution or the court can't help but think about the concerns of escape. That's why Myung Tae-kyun responded a little complacently to the investigation, which had been in progress since December last year. There are parts that the legal profession sees as such.
◇Lee Ik-seon: It is known that the prosecution stated that she received a golden salary from First Lady Kim Gun-hee, and even showed her a picture of the envelope, but didn't Kang Hye-kyung also confirm that Myung received the money? But this happened before she was the first lady, would this be a legal issue?
■Jang Yoon-mi: I think the prosecution secured Lee Myung-tae-kyun's KakaoTalk during the search and seizure process. I guess I took a picture of the envelope of this gold band and kept it. So I think the envelope wasn't just a white envelope, but it said "Covana Content." So I asked what this is, and she said she received a gold salary from the lady, but when she asked about the amount, it is reported that she said she did not remember. First of all, Kang Hye-kyung's statement at that time is like that. Because Mrs. Kim Gun-hee also knows that I trust and rely on Mr. Myung. Myung Tae-kyun's Kakao Talk content and Telegram messages were disclosed, so I think it's right that he trusted a lot. Then what is the basis for that trust? As Kang Hye-kyung said, is it because 81 polls were provided free of charge? Because according to Kang Hye-kyung's claim, Myung Tae-kyun said, "It cost me 370 million won at that time, but I didn't receive the money, so I went to get it, but Kang Hye-kyung's claim is that she was promised to nominate Kim Young-sun instead of money. When I went back and forth, Kang Hye-kyung said she remembered it as 5 million won, and Myung Tae-kyun said, "When I contacted the media now, you just said you paid for my child's snacks, but it's too expensive for the snacks." It's considerably less than the cost of the poll, but I think it's also a task in front of the prosecution to clarify the nature of this money because it's something that needs to be helped or done with my work.
□ Kang Kyung-ae: I think that part will also be investigated as a result. Lawyer Jang pointed out the contents of the warrant bill earlier in today's warrant review, and the warrant bill states that he received the money in return for the nomination by having a close relationship with the president and his wife. But if you think about it... Myung Tae-kyun doesn't have the authority to nominate. He wasn't even the leader of the party. He's not even the chairman of the nomination management committee. If so, this logical step is to go beyond this investigation and to investigate the person who allowed him to exercise his authority behind Myung Tae-kyun so that he can receive it in return for nomination. Then, since then party leader Lee Joon-seok and lawmaker Yoon Sang-hyun, who are now in question, were the chairman of the mission committee at the time, I think that the basic start of the reference investigation will be a reference investigation. And since there was a story about friendship with the president and his wife, how often did friendship go home? Why did Myung Tae-kyun say, "I know all the drawings of Acrobista" on TV? Isn't the word "friendship" has that meaning in terms of whether you've been in touch with them often, whether you've been able to talk about things in depth like this? In that regard, I think there will be more investigations in the future. There were seven prosecutors at the Changwon District Prosecutors' Office, but I think that the prosecution is not trying to cut the tail like the Democratic Party of Korea is talking about it, but rather looking at all the suspicions that come out.
◆Choi Soo-young: As you said, former CEO Lee Joon-seok is at issue, and lawyer Kim, who is a lawyer for Myung Tae-kyun, started to contact Kim because Lee Joon-seok, the party leader, called him. Kim, the head of the Future Korea Research Institute, said, "When Lee Joon-seok ran for the leadership of the People's Party in 2021, he gave free opinion polls and received 30 million won for the party's cooperation event. If this happens, doesn't it seem inevitable to investigate Lee Joon-seok?
■Jang Yoon-mi: I think the media is fighting all at once that it will probably be the subject of the prosecution's investigation. However, I think I'm probably a reference at this stage. Regarding the intervention of the nomination, shouldn't you have the party leader's official seal in order for the nomination to be confirmed? Then you're the final manager, and if you look at what's coming out right now, it's like this. It means that Myung Taekyun was quite close. Because I won first place as a youth politician during the national convention. I became the leader of the party. An outsider. However, there were media reports that they received help from Myung Tae-kyun. There were also allegations that Myung Tae-kyun artificially conducted a poll that caused a stir just because he was the first place. Additionally, there were suspicions that he received all the polls for free at the time. CEO Lee Joon-seok said, "The poll agency that Myung Tae-kyun was asked by a media company to announce indicators continuously, and how can we say that they did it for me, which they originally did. At this point, another Kakao Talk message was reported, and CEO Lee Jun-seok was on May 9th at dawn for Myung Tae-kyun. Before the nomination is confirmed, President Yoon Suk Yeol sends this text to Kim Young-sun to the primary, not the strategic nomination. At midnight. It's a very strange thing. The party leader should keep that in mind. It's very inappropriate to say that the text you sent was just for sharing information normally. Because as the party leader, we have to keep it confidential, and at that time, there were 7 or 8 people running for Changwon. So CEO Lee Joon-seok also seems to be on the investigation list for this part.
□ Kang Kyung-ae: Lawyer Jang said, "That's why we should keep it quiet now." Beyond that, Myung Tae-kyun is a civilian who has nothing to do with the nomination. But I sent a message to this civilian at 12 p.m., and Yoon Suk Yeol was thinking like this. It's very inappropriate to talk about it. Until now, in this year's general election process, Chairman Lee Joon-seok was just talking about Myung Tae-kyun when he planted red plum blossoms at Chilbulsa Temple at dawn on that cold day in February, right? With Rep. Cheon Ha-ram. However, when people asked about his relationship with Myung Tae-kyun, he called him "close" and said, "I'm close," but when it comes to nomination, he just took the lead in the nomination management committee led by lawmaker Yoon Sang-hyun and said he didn't know anything. But when this text message was already released, you were looking at it, and in a way, Myung Tae-kyun, wouldn't you have wanted to get a strategic nomination? To Rep. Kim Young-sun. Providing information about it itself is very inappropriate and can be seen as intervening. Because now, Myung Tae-kyun's recording with the president came out the next day. It was at that point that there was talk that Myung Tae-kyun called the president because representative Lee Joon-seok sent a text message. Since Kakao Talk has now come out with content that seems to be contrary to what representative Lee Joon-seok has claimed so far, I think that representative Lee Joon-seok may be investigated as a reference in the process of formal investigation into nomination intervention and such matters, but may be converted into a suspect in the future.
◇Lee Ik-seon: Rep. Lee Joon-seok said today that it is groundless that he requested a poll of 30 million won for the party's cooperation event and that Myung Tae-in is talking down to him saying, "Jun-seok." In addition, the president, who was mentioned earlier, said, "There is no message left to confirm that," in response to Myung's lawyer's claim that "Kim Young-sun should be elected." Does this give you the feeling of stepping back rather than strongly denying it?
■Jang Yoon-mi: I'm not saying no, but I think there's a part where I say it to the effect that I can't remember. Yesterday, the main news of the general programming channel also covered Rep. Lee Joon-seok's story, and the intention was that he did not receive 30 million won from the party association, but that the Korea Future Research Institute received it instead. We are protesting tremendously in that regard. My appearance fee is not 30 million won, and what I received a lot when I was a political panelist in the past was about 1 million won per episode. He said that 3,000 won is ridiculous, and that he did Junseok-ah as a sign that he was close to Myung Tae-kyun, but he said that there was no such thing, but he is very active in himself. Because even in the case of Kim Yong-nam of the New Reform Party, when there is talk that Lee Joon-seok could be summoned to the prosecution, "Then Lee Joon-seok won't just talk about himself," and "He could talk about President Yoon Suk Yeol. Do you think the prosecution really want such a situation? ’ I even said that, but CEO Lee Joon-seok seems to be responding with the same conclusion today. Not about yourself. He says that there is no such fact, but President Yoon Suk Yeol continues to make revelatory remarks that he has been involved in various nomination processes besides former lawmaker Kim Young-sun, which seems to be preoccupied with his legal defense.
□Kang Kang-ae: If you look at the text message with the expression 'oppa' in question and the text message between Myung Tae-kyun and Kim Geon-hee, Myung Tae-kyun uses the expression 'to Jun-seok'. So, when the text message came out, the word "oppa" is something that the people can see with a little frown, but didn't you want to show the public that Myung Tae-kyun was close to CEO Lee Joon-seok and that he was using the name "Jun-seok" to show that he was close to CEO Lee Joon-seok? Aren't Chairman Kim Jong-in and Chairman Lee Joon-seok and Chairman Kim Jong-in very close? I also thought that I might have sent this text message on purpose to let the whole people know my friendship with these people.
◆Choi Soo-young: As you just said, Rep. Lee is pouring out some subtle stories right now when he returns home. So, during the last local election, there was a nuance that there were traces of telling the president that the nomination would come down through one channel or another. Then lawyer Kang would investigate the prosecution's reference first. Of course, then do you think there is a possibility that you will be converted into a suspect if this part is confirmed a little later?
□ Kang Kyung-ae: That's right. And CEO Lee Jun-seok knows that, so isn't he talking about revealing things right now? As for himself, he said that there was no text message left with Myung Tae-kyun, and that the president said things that were a little inappropriate to him. Then, why do you have that text message or contact with Myung Tae-kyun, and CEO Lee Joon-seok is known to be a very good person with mobile phones and electronic devices, but most of them use the cloud these days. People like me are also using it. When I look at the cloud, even if I change my cell phone, there are parts where I say that even if I change my cell phone, there are messages from the past, but there are no parts that are against me. Isn't talking about the president as if there was an intervention in the nomination process? Because there are now talks about whether the president and his wife had problems with the nomination of Kim Young-sun as representative Lee Joon-seok's story. That's why I think I'm defending myself like this.
◇Lee Ik-seon: Former Chairman Kim Jong-in will also be investigated as a reference, right?
■Jang Yoon-mi: I think so. This is because when Chairman Kim Jong-in first met with First Lady Kim Gun-hee, he said that Myung Tae-kyun was present again, and that Myung Tae-kyun continued to visit Kim Jong-in's office and coordinated opinions with each other during the election phase, so I think a reference investigation will take place at least once in this regard.
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