Woo Sang-ho, "Lee Jae-myung in the first trial, there will be no 'damaging leadership' of any outcome."

◆ [YTN Radio SHINYUL's news]
■ Broadcasting: FM 94.5 (17:00-19:00)
■ Air date: November 14, 2024 (Thursday)
■ Proceedings: Shin Yul, Professor of Political Science and Diplomacy at Myongji University
■ Talk: Woo Sang-ho, former lawmaker of the Democratic Party of Korea

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- Current politics, controversy-covered 'endless confrontation' in succession
- Lee Joon-seok's revelation, credible argument as the nomination manager
- Kim Park Geun Hye was sentenced to two years in prison after asking for nomination eight years ago
- Presidential Office, Myung Tae-kyun, golf is also subject to false explanations
- Amendment to the Special Prosecutor Kim Gun-hee Act, ruling party's departure vote? '4 votes + a'
- DUP has no reason to reject special inspector...Can't be exchanged for special prosecutor
- Controversy over 'party bulletin board' of people power? You're so childish.What to investigate?
- The ruling party breaking political gold...It doesn't look good
- Lee Jae-myung first trial, there will be no 'damaging leadership' of any outcome
- Impeachment of 尹? It's not enough to be full of illegal evidence yet.
- Judging public sentiment by the Democratic Party's outdoor rally is a problem.
- The number of citizens gathered at the rally is not 'undervalued.'
◆ Shin Yul: Shin Yul's news head-to-head competition part 2 begins. It's a face-to-face interview. Woo Sang-ho, former floor leader of the Democratic Party of Korea, will meet in the second part of the face-to-face interview. I'm on the phone right now. Hello, CEO.

◇ Woo Sang-ho: Yes, hello.

◆ Shin Yul: I did. It's been more than 40 years since I majored in political science. You know what? When I look at politics these days, I wonder if this is okay, but you've been in politics for a long time. What about you, CEO Woo?

◇ Woo Sang-ho: I'm not sure. The most important thing about politics is that there are always ups and downs, so there are always cases or issues, right? The problem moves forward as political leaders exercise wisdom or eventually organize it through various conversations. Recently, however, politics is a little dizzy because all these processes are not visible now, so endless confrontations and endless new issues continue to cover up new issues. I don't feel like I'm getting organized.

◆ Shin Yul: I feel dizzy. That's right. But the suspicion about Myung Taekyun is coming out every day because all the media say it's exclusive. It keeps pouring out. How are you watching this?

◇ Woo Sang-ho: As follow-up reports continue on the case of Myung Tae-kyun, I think the entire frame has been almost understood. So, when the story of Myung Tae-kyun first came out, he dismissed it as a broker, but as a result, it turned out that the president and the president's wife communicated quite closely. It is also true that former lawmaker Kim Young-sun won the nomination in 2022 despite some opposition from the party, and it was confirmed that Kim Young-sun and some local election candidates delivered money and valuables to Myung Tae-kyun, and if you look at the whole thing, most of the claims of Myung Tae-kyun that came out in the first place have been proven true. Rather, the presidential office, which has to organize the matter, is rather raising the problem because all of the several explanations made by the presidential office are proving false. I'm looking at it like this.

◆ Shin Yul: Did you see what Representative Lee Joon-seok said over there? Article

◇ Woo Sang-ho: I was surprised this morning. Because up until now, hasn't it been mainly through the messages of Kang Hye-kyung or Myung Tae-kyun? But at least, didn't representative Lee Joon-seok confirm that he had asked the president directly for election interference and political nomination interference?

◆ Synthesis: Yes

◇ Woo Sang-ho: This is a big event. In fact, the party leader is the person in charge of nomination at the time, and the person who received the request directly from the party leader has evidence himself. Because I said this while talking, it seems to be a very reliable argument. So, I don't know if it's another place or if she said something good about it. I don't know if I can avoid it, but the testimony that the president asked the leader, who is in charge of the nomination, is very specific, so this seems to be a difficult problem to avoid in the presidential office.

◆ Shin-yul: And these days, I don't know if this has to be a little peripheral, but I've never played golf. But the president is very interested in golf. How do you see it?

◇ Woo Sang-ho: Well, aren't there quite a few foreign presidents and prime ministers playing golf? So even the president can enjoy his vacation and play golf on holidays. You don't have to be too taboo. The problem is that I'm very tired these days, so I played golf because I needed some healing. I played golf to prepare for a meeting with President Trump, and I can see the inexperience of making matters even more strange.

◆ Sin-ryul: But can't we really prepare it and play it?

◇ Woo Sang-ho: No, so what's wrong with hitting that? But why are you lying?

◆ Sin Yul: No, I practiced to meet President Trump. Isn't this also true?

◇ Woo Sang-ho: No, it could be, but I never played golf before. For example, Defense Minister Kim Young-hyun has never played golf in 10 years. Didn't the National Audit Office say that if there was such a fact, I would take off my clothes? But if you look at the confirmed date now, the date you hit before that keeps coming out, so it's a question of why you're giving a false explanation. I played golf. I can play it. However, all generals on different days of golfing canceled because of their relationship with North Korea, so why did the president, who is the commander-in-chief, hit the ball? However, false explanations continue to raise the issue. Now

◆ Shin-yul: And today, the Kim Gun-hee Special Prosecutor Act was passed. That's right. People's Power lawmakers are said to have left, but I don't think today is a problem. The time is when the president will exercise his veto power, and after that, when it is put on the reconsideration again, how many votes will be left from the power of the people? What do you expect?

◇ Woo Sang-ho: Last time, there were four votes to leave, so it's going to be more on the fringes. But

◆ Shin Yul: Four votes plus alpha?

◇ Woo Sang-ho: Members of the People's Power said that the issue of First Lady Kim Gun-hee should be sorted out. So, it seems to be a matter of further understanding whether they will see the presidential press conference this time and the annex after that, and whether the first lady did not follow the presidential trip as a problem-solving or whether this is not enough. However, from the perspective of the ruling party members, there was a lot of public opinion that the issue of First Lady Kim Gun-hee should be sorted out.

◆ Sinryul: Yes, so it's a little bit

◇ Woo Sang-ho: I think the departure vote will be added a little more from 4 votes.

◆ Synonym: It becomes a plus alpha. However, looking at the breaking news, the power of the people will push for the recommendation of a special inspector as a party theory. And the Kim Gun-hee Special Prosecutor's Act proposes a veto. This is in the news right now, but what do you think the Democratic Party will come out if the recommendation of the special inspector is promoted as a party theory?

◇ Woo Sang-ho: We should recommend a special inspector. That's because the ruling and opposition parties are supposed to do it together.

◆ Shin Yul: You don't reject it?

◇ Woo Sang-ho: I'm not sure. In my opinion, is there a reason to reject the special inspector? However, it is difficult to agree on the argument of exchanging the Special Inspector and the Special Prosecutor Act. That's why it's like this. If you appoint a special inspector, that's not the case from the date of his appointment, is it? So,

◆ Shin Yul: Could you repeat that?

◇ Woo Sang-ho: If we appoint a special inspector, won't that designated special inspector be active from the date of appointment? Then, from the date of appointment, it will be monitored. Then, the Democratic Party of Korea's position is how to organize what has happened so far, and that there is only a special prosecutor. So, there is no reason to oppose the appointment of an inspector, but if you do a special inspector for the reason of not doing the Special Prosecutor Act, the matter is a little different. If a special inspector is appointed, the presidential office will inspect it in the future, so it will be able to act as an internal monitor to prevent further controversy. It is difficult to investigate and monitor the past of the appointed special inspector, such as Deutsche Motors, luxury bags, and various nomination interventions.

◆ Shin Yul: Yes. What if it comes out like this? Why is the Democratic Party recommending a special inspector when it doesn't even receive an independent counsel? We don't agree with this. It could come out like this.

◇ Woo Sang-ho: That's possible. But now that it has been decided at today's parliamentary meeting, we have to see how the Democratic Party will organize its position, but in my personal opinion, there is no reason to oppose the appointment of a special inspector. But using that as an excuse, I won't do the special prosecution law. If you use it as an excuse to the contrary, the Democratic Party has no choice but to oppose it.

◆ Sin Yul: There. And I'm sorry to keep asking you about this next door, but I posted it on the bulletin board of Han's family members. Isn't that what Chin Yoon is saying right now? President of Yoon Suk Yeol. How do you watch this?

◇ Woo Sang-ho: I'm not sure. I don't know how they caught it, but it could be the same name.

◆ Shin Yul: I think the YouTuber has probably raised the issue now.

◇ Woo Sang-ho: Oh really. But anyway, it seems a little childish to even name the party leader's family members and argue about what kind of comments he made or not.

◆ Shin Yul: There's also a police investigation. But now,

◇ Woo Sang-ho: No, what kind of police investigation is that?

◆ Shin Yul: I thought it was getting quiet now, but this problem is getting a bit harsh.

◇ Woo Sang-ho: So if you look at it now, it's really bad to see that there are a series of acts and remarks that violate the political kumdo within the ruling party. In my opinion, it's actually a smear battle how they reveal all that, attack each other, and slander each other. So it's a little hard to understand how you can make that kind of smear campaign in the same party when you don't do that even if the party is different.

◆ Shin Yul: And today, Kim Hye-kyung was sentenced to 1.5 million won. How do you rate this?

◇ Woo Sang-ho: Yes, I think it's a little hard for me to personally understand. When it comes to regulating election law violations, it's about regulating actions that have a significant impact on elections. But what kind of election law violations within the same party is it that the senior congresswomen ate? So even if they are found guilty, it would be less than 1 million won. I thought so, but it's not a very high sentence of 1.5 million won, but I still have some complaints about the ruling.

◆ Shin Yul: And this seems to be a peripheral problem, but in fact, the emotionalization aspect of politics is quite something we need to think about. How do you rate Lee Jae-myung's saying, "I love you Hye-kyung, I'm so sorry to death" before the election? But it's okay if the two of you just talk, but there are criticisms that if it becomes known and becomes like this, politics becomes too emotional. What do you think?

◇ Woo Sang-ho: Well, anyway, the wife of a political husband can go to court and continue to be sentenced, so I can express a little sorry. But how was that known?

◆ Shin Yul: I don't know. I don't know about that, but that's why I'm asking. Tomorrow, the first trial will be sentenced for Lee Jae-myung's violation of the Public Official Election Act, and how much will we be? This is meaningless. I want to ask how Jungkook will develop in each scenario.

◇ Woo Sang-ho: The first trial right now is unlikely to cause significant damage to the leadership of the Democratic Party, whether the result is innocent or guilty. That's why we have to go until the third trial anyway. So when the Supreme Court's ruling is finalized, it will have an impact on the political situation. As you may see, now, the leadership of the Democratic Party is not going to be shaken by the conviction. That's what I think. Also, when I was the floor leader, there were about ten junior lawmakers who would be prosecuted after the election, so I consulted them a lot and analyzed various cases. At least the fact that Kim Moon-ki said he didn't know about him, who will be sentenced tomorrow, is a violation of the election law.

◆ Shin Yul: Isn't there a problem with the Ministry of Land, Infrastructure and Transport?

◇ Woo Sang-ho: It's a little hard for me to say that it's a violation of the election law.

◆ Shin Yul: But in the case of Governor Kim Dong-yeon, didn't we hold a press conference yesterday or the day before yesterday to implement the independent counsel law? In other words, there are views on the election of representative Lee Jae-myung while saying, "Is the screaming dragon other than representative Lee Jae-myung moving now?" Is this a typhoon in a teacup? Or is it really meaningful in its own way?

◇ Woo Sang-ho: No, those who want to be in the presidential election next time described it as Jamryong, but it's not a full-fledged campaign, but it's not something to see again because it's not yesterday and today to do activities to increase political weight. In particular, it seems a little inappropriate to give meaning to the actions of Jamryong in relation to the judgment of the court. So, all of them believe in Lee Jae-myung's innocence and hope that the leader of the Democratic Party will not suffer much, but critics' remarks that analyze Lee Jae-myung as if they expect him to be in more trouble and prepare for it seem very inappropriate. From what I can tell.

◆ Sin-ryul: So the movement is natural, but we shouldn't zoom in on it. Can we sort it out like this?

◇ Woo Sang-ho: That's right.

◆ Shin Yul: Okay. But on the 25th, I'm a perjury teacher. How do you see it?

◇ Woo Sang-ho: No, it depends on what kind of remarks the court considers more important, so if you look at it now, I'm sure there were comments asking you to tell the truth, but it's also true that representative Lee Jae-myung is preparing for this and that, so it's more important to tell the truth. Rather than that, wouldn't it be better to be guilty if it was more of a view that led to the testimony in favor of CEO Lee Jae-myung? But in my view, shouldn't the judgment of the trial involve clear evidence and clear judgment? From that point of view, one of these two arguments is

◆ Shin Yul: Hello, CEO?

◇ Woo Sang-ho: If we make a ruling, there will be some resistance.

◆ Shin Yul: And now, the Yoon Suk Yeol impeachment alliance involving 41 members of the Democratic Party and five other opposition parties has been launched, and I want to ask you that some Democrats participate in launching the impeachment alliance, but the Democratic Party has not spoken about impeachment at the party level. What's the reason?

◇ Woo Sang-ho: At the moment, we're not in those various stages to impeach the president of Yoon Suk Yeol.

◆ Mr. Shin-ryul: The Members individually

◇ Woo Sang-ho: Right now, the facts are obviously illegal to impeach, the evidence is not as full as it was in the past as it was in the impeachment of President Park Geun Hye. From that point of view, there is no possibility yet of preparing for impeachment at the leadership level. But individual lawmakers form such solidarity and move together. It's the freedom of those individual lawmakers. How do we do that in the party?

◆ Sin Yul: Of course we do. But the Democratic Party of Korea's outdoor rally over there didn't seem to have as many people as I thought. The one who gets together. How do you see it?

◇ Woo Sang-ho: Don't Democratic Party-hosted rallies only involve Democratic Party members?

◆ Shin Yul: So because there are no ordinary people?

◇ Woo Sang-ho: There is a fixed number of party members that can be mobilized. Therefore, in the past, there have never been hundreds of thousands of ordinary people at Democratic Party rallies. In that sense, it seems a little strange to judge the overall public sentiment based on the Democratic Party's rally itself. However, we should not underestimate the number of citizens on the streets that are gathering now. It can increase to a million to two million at any time. However, the Democratic Party's rally now actually began after the Deutsche Motors case was cleared of Kim Gun-hee, didn't it? So obviously, I think the warning to the ruling party and then the political prosecution is the role of the Democratic Party. As I keep trying to interpret this by linking it with impeachment, other analyses keep coming out. Whether there were many people or not, at least the Democratic Party's members gathered together to warn the ruling power. That's how I see it.

◆ Shin-yul: And the first thing I asked about was Rep. Lee Joon-seok's remarks about the nomination of the president of Yoon Suk Yeol. You said earlier that this is explosive. Do you think we can talk about impeachment if this becomes more concrete?

◇ Woo Sang-ho: I don't know that yet, but what this is is the same thing that President Park Geun Hye was sentenced to two years ago when he was tried eight years ago. So, didn't the presidential office only conduct a poll on certain candidates from the pro-Park faction and draw up a list of them and ask the party to nominate them? That's why I got a two-year sentence. So, as representative Lee Joon-seok said, this is after the president was elected president. It's a local election in June, so please do the mayor or candidates for the local election. I want them to do it in a certain region. If such a request was made, this is the same case that President Park Geun Hye was sentenced to two years in prison. That's how I see it, so it is a very illegal testimony that is different from what Mrs. Kim Gun-hee has been like so far and what Myung Tae-kyun has been like. I look at it like this.

◆ Sin Yul: Let me ask you one more question. The scope of personnel reform is that President Yoon did not accompany Kim Gun-hee. on the tour of South America It's said that this is a personnel reform, but how can this be useful for changing public sentiment? How do you see it?

◇ Woo Sang-ho: It now depends on the breadth of personnel reform and the number of years of new employees, whether they are really willing to reform. It is a little difficult to measure the effectiveness because there has not been a reorganization plan for ministers, prime ministers, or chiefs yet, so it has not been seen in what extent and what other people are selected.

◆ Sin Yul: For example, if someone comes out, can you change the public's mind? Something like a national cabinet.

◇ Woo Sang-ho: I think it would be better to use a little more talent pool and have people who can expect that the pattern of state administration will change since many people have gone to the cabinet. If you always use the prosecution's juniors here and get hit here and do it like this, that's not an innovation.

◆ Shin Yul: Okay. Thank you for your words today. Thank you.

◇ Woo Sang-ho: Thank you.

◆ Shin Yul: This has been Woo Sang-ho, former floor leader of the Democratic Party of Korea.