[News fighting] Yang Boo-nam "Lee Jae-myung trial is legally innocent..."If you're guilty, you're going to be killed in justice."

[YTN Radio News Fighting Bae Seunghee]
□ Broadcasting: FM 94.5 (07:15 - 09:00)
□ Broadcast date and time: November 15, 2024 (Fri)
□ Host: Attorney Bae Seung-hee
□ Cast: Yang Boo-nam, member of the Democratic Party of Korea

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◆ Attorney Bae Seung-hee (hereinafter referred to as Bae Seung-hee): I'm Bae Seung-hee from News Fighting. The third part starts. The Democratic Party of Korea is conducting a public opinion campaign claiming the innocence of representative Lee Jae-myung. It's today. A large-scale rally involving more than 5,000 supporters will also be held in front of the court today. In this regard, we invited Yang Boo-nam, a former chief prosecutor of the prosecution's dictatorship committee, to the studio of the Democratic Party of Korea. Hello

◇Representative of the Democratic Party of Korea (hereinafter referred to as Yang): Yes, hello.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: It's even better to meet you in person after seeing you on the phone last time.

◇Brother Yang: Yes, it's nice to meet you, too.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: Yes, but you have to be glad to see him. Today, there is news of CEO Lee Jae-myung's first trial sentence. What do you expect?

◇Brother Yang: Good news will come out. So you have to be happy.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: Yes, be sure of your innocence.
◇ Yang Boo-nam: The lawmakers of the people say whatever they want, ranging from imprisonment to fines, but I think I was the head of the legal support group when Lee Jae-myung was a presidential candidate, and I was the chairman of the legal committee. Regardless of that relationship, I think this case is innocent from the objective eyes of the legal profession. If I explain that, I can't do an interview today. It's over. All right. In short, some of the contents of the indictment that CEO Lee Jae-myung lied never said that. Right. Even if it was made as if it were said to put together untrue back-and-forth words, and some said so, what the Public Official Act requires is the fact of conduct, and even if it is an act, it should be about being able to evaluate the qualifications and abilities of candidates from voters, not all actions, but not about them. So it's innocent. The other thing legally, Baekhyun-dong's problem is that he testified during the inspection. That's right. If the testimony during the parliamentary inspection is different from the facts, it's okay if you're accused of perjury. You shouldn't be investigated. It's because the indictment has been dismissed.
◆ Bae Seung-hee: That's how you see it. That's why the indictment itself is wrong.

◇Brother Yang: It's wrong. I was innocent.
◆ Bae Seung-hee: Innocent. But you're sure you're innocent, but why is the Democratic Party so opposed to disclosing the trial?

◇ Yang Boo-nam: It is advantageous to be absent from such a talk, but it is wrong to disclose and broker the public broadcast. All of our trials are open trials. That's right. So if you get the audience right, a lot of people will attend today. And whether innocent or guilty, the results are released and reported to the media. But if you're innocent, the broadcast is just a broadcast. Just like me and the anchor and I are on this show today, right? And if you're innocent, you're the only one who brokered, but broadcasting isn't at a disadvantage. Even if the person on trial is acquitted, he will be more nervous. That's right. I'm nervous even if it's on air.

◆ Bae Seunghee: Something you never do at all

◇ adoptive father: He is nervous and haggard. Who would want the appearance of the court to be an open broadcast?

◆ Bae Seung-hee: In that regard

◇ adoptive father: That's too harsh a word. If floor leader Choo Kyung-ho himself is found not guilty on trial, you will not accept the broadcast.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: That's why it's not broadcasted.

◇ Yang Boo-nam: That's right. Isn't that why the presiding judge doesn't approve it? a request made by Joo Jin, a member of the National Assembly, called

◆ Bae Seung-hee: That's right. I heard he's going to accuse Representative Joo Jin-woo again. Representative Lee Jae-myung said

◇ Yang Boo-nam: I applied for a trial broadcast, but we appealed against it, but I never expressed my opposition to the victims. the falsehood

◆Bae Seung-Hee: If the Member agrees with judicial murder, this trial will remain a black history. You said this. What does that mean?

◇ Yang Boo-nam: I said that and it was on the news a lot. But we have no intention of pressuring the court, no ability, no authority. But if we look at it historically, judicial murder means that a person's right to life is cut off by manipulated evidence and the court raises its hand on it, or even if he is not sentenced to death, he or she is buried socially. Our representative example is the Minister of Agriculture, Food and Rural Affairs, who opposed President Syngman Rhee during the Liberal Party regime. We reformed the land and sentenced him to death and executed him, didn't we? Also, President Lola, a famous commoner of refugees, made refugees a good country to live in twice, but he was charged with bribery and arrested. And the Supreme Court acquitted him of conviction and is now serving as a three-term president, but there are many cases like this. That's why I said my wish to make sure it doesn't happen in such a climate, and our democracy was maintained so far with conscientious judges ruling to protect freedom and human rights justice even under the dictatorship of the fishing officer Yushin, right? That's right. That's what I said about the wind.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: You mean the wish. So anyway, no matter what the judiciary makes now, isn't that a ruling based on the law and conscience? It can't be called a judicial murder, can it?

◇ Yang-bu: I mean, don't get out of the law and conscience and don't let the regime influence you to do anything.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: You're saying that if you're guilty, this is a judicial murder.

◇ adoptive father: That's how I see it.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: When innocent, just judgment

◇ adoptive father: From my standards, it's a legal innocence, so

◆ Bae Seung-hee: Okay. Now, the Democratic Party of Korea has urged the pro-life organization to gather in front of the court, saying it will support transportation costs such as buses and airplanes. How will this be seen by the middle class?

◇ Yang Boo-nam: The investigation and prosecution of representative Lee Jae-myung is using the term judicial risk because it's my first time going to the legal field. Judicial risk. I told you not to use judicial risk, right? I'm the one who asked not to use the term "judicial risk" because "risk" rather than "political suppression" gives the impression that we know the risk by doing something wrong. The reason I'm telling you this is that we are not at fault, but we are under political oppression. He is being investigated and tried like this because he is targeted to kill a political opponent. Then what can we do? Should we just let go of it?

◆ Bae Seung-hee: Ah

◇ adoptive father: What we can do is we must shout. This is it. This is all we can do. There's nothing. This is it. My family is seriously ill and dying. Should I leave it alone? This is the only thing we can do in this situation, just as we try to treat it by all means. What do the middle class think? That's the next question. It's the next question. Next question From our point of view, we have no choice but to inform and shout this to the people.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: By the way. Isn't this a violation of the election law about what happened during the presidential election process? So do other MPs. If there is anything wrong with the election, you will be investigated, prosecuted, and judged. That's right. But why do we have to use the expression "kill silence" only against CEO Lee Jae-myung?

◇ Yang Boo-nam: CEO Lee Jae-myung said, "I was also investigated. I was also under investigation, but there was no one who held an outdoor rally for me just because I was under investigation. Not just me, but everyone will be like that, not just me, when there are no supporters. However, CEO Lee Jae-myung is not an individual Lee Jae-myung, but this is it.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: Then it's not individual Lee Jae-myung, it's

◇ Yang Boo-nam: That's why if a representative like this is politically attacked and killed, the Democratic Party is killed and democracy is killed.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: Then aren't these accidental events that happened after this election? If I become a member of the National Assembly and the leader of the opposition party, should I not investigate it?

◇ Adopted man: No, what happened after the election

◆ Bae Seung-hee: After this presidential election

◇ adoptive father: It happened before the election. So the actions are

◆ Bae Seung-hee: After that, Chairman Lee Jae-myung accidentally became a member of the National Assembly in legal terms and became the leader of the opposition party. Since I became the leader of the opposition party in the past, should I not investigate the events that happened during the presidential election?

◇Brother Yang: We need to do a legitimate investigation.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: Isn't it fair?

◇ Yang Boo-nam: I've been saying that I'm not justified. Now

◆ Bae Seung-hee: Yes.

◇ ADVOCATE B: I see.You have to do a legitimate investigation. But it's not justified. Investigator

◆ Bae Seung-hee: Okay. It's not justified because he's the leader of the opposition party.
◇ Yang Boo-nam: No, first of all, if I look at it legally, evidence, and legally organize it. Don't get me wrong. Legally and evidencely, I can't do this. It's a situation where we can't investigate. Still, they investigate. But one individual would not come forward like this.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: It's a personal judgment that you can't be guilty, and shouldn't you go to the Supreme Court to judge if you can't actually be guilty?

◇ Yang Boo-nam: However, from our point of view, we are lawyers, so we investigate what is not sinful. And the opposition leader is the subject of the investigation. So we have no choice but to protect our supporters from the party's point of view.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: Okay. The power of this people right now.

◇ adoptive father: You don't do this even if you're guilty of something obvious.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: We need to win that game now.

◇ Adopted man: So wait for a trial and clearly it's not a crime like this from our point of view.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: Yes. I see. The power of the people will push ahead with the so-called obstruction of justice bill, which punishes judges if they threaten. This is the plan. How do you see it?

◇Brother Yang: Well-made. Of course, we should. Yes, you can't threaten the judge because of the rule of law in a democracy. But do you think our outdoor rally threatened the judge? Did you swear at the judge's family? Did you say you'd kill him?

◆ Bae Seung-hee: Depending on the person you feel, the moon

◇ adoptive father: It's not a crime of intimidation. It's not a crime of intimidation. It's a good law. Yeah. It's also a crime not to let the person who investigated or tried the case. If this happens, it would be a report on the investigation of division commander Lim Sung-geun in the Special Prosecutor Act on President Choi Byung-do of Yoon Suk Yeol.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: So does the Democratic Party of Korea pass this obstruction of justice?

◇ Adopted man: It's not for me to judge,

◆ Bae Seung-hee: He said he made it well.

◇Brother Yang: That's a good job. You can't do that. But what the Democratic Party of Korea is protesting against is not judicial by law created by the power of the judicial people.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: Okay. Han Dong-hoon, chairman of the Democratic Party, is threatening judges with self-inflicted marketing toward the Democratic Party. If Lee Jae-myung, chairman of the Democratic Party of Korea, is invalidated in the election, he will have to return 43.4 billion won in election expenses. They're saying that this is for intimidating judges. How did you like it?

◇ adoptive father: That's cheeky in itself. I hate you. The tree house is on fire and looks like it's going to die, but if the house explodes, the pig is saying the same thing as I'm going to buy it, and it's annoying. It's so mean. It's

◆ Bae Seung-hee: That's the proverb, right?

◇ Yang Boo-nam: This is a matter of judgment because we have to go all the way to the Supreme Court, not this and that. And even if this is confirmed by the Supreme Court, legally, we have something to say about whether the Democratic Party will cough up 43.4 billion won. I have one, too. I have something to say legally. Now

◆ Bae Seung-hee: So it doesn't mean you have to return it. Are you talking about this?

◇Brother Yang: There are many things we have to say about the law. But if I keep saying that now, I'm not going to talk about it anymore because I'm convicted.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: So it is completely wrong to say that CEO Han Dong-hoon is now threatening Judge Lee. Are you talking about this? Regarding CEO Lee Jae-myung, on the 25th, he will be judged by the first trial on the perjury teacher case. CEO Lee Jae-myung is pleading not guilty, saying he is a failed teacher.

◇ adoptive father: something seems to have been misrepresented

◆ Bae Seung-hee: Yes.

◇ Yang Boo-nam: This case was originally prosecuted in 2002 for CEO Lee Jae-myung impersonating a prosecutor with a KBS PD. The case was convicted, but during a gubernatorial debate in 2018, the other candidate was convicted of impersonating a prosecutor at the time. So, I said, "I'm not the previous representative. I was framed." So don't you get prosecuted and tried again for false information? At that time, CEO Lee Jae-yong calls Kim Jin-sung and tells him to make a good statement. And then it's been five years. In 2023, Kim Soo-sung will talk about something else

◆ Bae Seung-hee: Investigation is right

◇ adoptive father: I was investigating the trial and had to confiscate it, so the recording of the call came out, so the prosecutor said it was right, so I charged him. Then, this is the process, and the important thing is that Kim Jin-sung must be recognized as a bequest to become a perjury teacher. Then, Kim Jin-sung should first consider whether he is guilty of bequest or not, but what Kim Jin-sung perjured is important. What is written in the indictment? At that time, Seongnam Mayor Kim Byung-jang tried to cancel the complaint against the PD for the first time with KBS to drive Lee Jae-myung as the main culprit. Then, Kim Byung-yeol heard that the second such complaint was not canceled, but the discussion to cancel the complaint, which was the stage before the cancellation of the complaint, was held. The fact that Kim Jin-sung testified these two things is that the testimony was against his memory. However, when asked if the first one was canceled to drive Lee Jae-myung as the main culprit, according to the witness newspaper report, he answered that there was no such fact. Mayor Kim Byung-jang replies that such a personality is not actually the holder. So it's a content that can't be prosecuted on its own. So this means that you can't be guilty, that's why it means that you can't be guilty. It doesn't mean that CEO Lee Jae-myung said, "Hey, you should do that," but he didn't say anything. I am legally not available
◆ Bae Seung-hee: It's not legal.

◇ Yang Boo-nam: If you put it that way, CEO Lee Jae-myung said, "Hey, you're Yoo Jeong-hae," but he refused, so this is a perfect sign of praise.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: No, Kim Jin-sung wasn't actually a witness, but didn't Lee Jae-myung apply as a witness?

◇ Adopted man: Everyone didn't want to set a witness, but they were all attached.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: You chose him as a witness, right? Kim Jin-sung said he has no memory of himself, but he testified like that. He confessed to perjury because he had no memory of himself, but it was against his memory.

◇ Yang Boo-nam: I did. He confessed, but he said there were two things to prosecute as a bequest. But the

◆ Bae Seung-hee: What happens then? This is a confession.

◇ Yang Boo-nam: It was reported in the witness hearing report that it was not to drive Lee Jae-myung as the main culprit, so this is a blank, and I heard another one from Kim Byung-yang. He confesses that this part is a lie now that he discussed canceling the complaint. However, what is clearly wrong is that the fact that there was a discussion to cancel the complaint at the time was the first testimony of the producer, KBS, and then the recording of the phone call Kim Jin-sung made with Lee Jae-myung at the time. There was a consultation to cancel the complaint. Also, there is something that Lee Jae-myung, a lawyer representing him, and this person said. So this is a false confession.
◆ Bae Seung-hee: Anyway, he said he perjured himself, but he said he failed because he asked him again when the ruling comes out later. Do you admit that he did?

◇Brother Yang: I'm saying it's not an investigation, so I understand.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: The Democratic Party of Korea has cut the prosecution's entire budget for special activities and specific work expenses for next year. Justice Minister Park Sung-jae said, "We have no choice but to doubt the connection with Lee Jae-myung's investigation." Because you used to be a prosecutor. Shouldn't we do special activities for this budget?

◇ Yang Boo-nam: Now there are two specific expenses and special activity expenses. There are four rooms, and this special activity cost of 8 billion won has been completely cut by 50.6 billion won. I asked for proof that I spent special activity expenses and specific work expenses in the previous year for the cut, but I didn't submit it. So, in addition to this total reduction, there are also these basic basics that the prosecution has not been trusted by the public, but in fact, the prosecution has not submitted such evidence, so we have to submit such evidence, so we have to restore it now. As you said, special activity expenses are money in cash. The money that came out in cash, so when the head of the agency has a special activity, he uses the money to write investigation information and gives it to the prosecutor. Then the prosecutor will sign. I draw the receipt that I received and the prosecutors spend money on certain work expenses first. magnetic card

◆ Bae Seung-hee: Yes.

◇ Yang Boo-nam: If you give me a receipt, the office will preserve it for you later, but I will try to make all of the special activity expenses and specific tasks zero. I can't investigate.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: But you can do this so that you can't investigate.

◇ Yang Boo-nam: Not only can you not investigate, but it also interferes with the normal work of the prosecution. However, our prosecutors are not the entire prosecutor who is criticized by the public in the political sector. Some are being criticized. Most of the rest of the prosecutors are working by setting up nights. That is why I hope that the Minister will submit this evidence well and that the whole place will be restored.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: Yes. But I think you know well, but the evidence of special activity expenses can come out as evidence

◇ adoptive father: It can't come out. So the head of the institution only got the autograph that was passed down to the prosecutor. So maybe there was a reason why they said they couldn't submit it. However, the prosecutor pays for certain work expenses with his or her card first, and you have a receipt. I did it there, so I can probably submit the data 100% now.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: Anyway, if you submit the evidence, you can restore it again.

◇ Yang Boo-nam: I'm not the chairman of the committee, Chung Cheong-rae, and I'm not the chairman of the Judiciary Committee, so I have to report it.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: Special activity expenses are not actually related. There is no evidence for specific work expenses, but special activity expenses are not supported.
◇ adoptive father: It's hard to market. If you submit a certificate, the head of the agency said the inspection I gave the prosecutor was signed, so please submit it. The prosecutor took this money and met someone who provided information about special activities. You shouldn't spend all of it on anyone. It's exposed.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: I know. I see.

◇ Yang Boo-nam: If I say too much, I can say I'm a member of the people's parliament, but I'm talking as it is

◆ Bae Seung-hee: Okay. Also

◇ Adopted man: Because it's one organization

◆ Bae Seung-hee: Lastly, wasn't Kim Hye-kyung sentenced to 1.5 million won? What do you think will happen to the investigation into the alleged misappropriation of corporate credit cards in the future?

◇ Yang Boo-nam: Our Kim Hye-kyung received 150. Kim Hye-kyung paid her own to her political account as if she knew everything to the media. As for the wives of the rest of the lawmakers, I thought they would pay separately, but later it turned out that Mr. Bae ordered Mr. Cho to improve the legalization of Gyeonggi Province. Bae also told the court that she had not been instructed to collude with Kim Hye-kyung. But now that I'm convicted, I'll have to go finally. I'm very sorry, but in connection with this, Lee Jae-myung's corporate card in Gyeonggi-do Province was sent to the police without charge, but the prosecution continues to hold it. There will be no impact on how it will be affected. What's wrong with Lee Jae-myung's corporate card because it's not related? There is a department in Gyeonggi-do that cannot be used. I'm investigating the department's corporate card. We raided 1,129 locations. Yes, it was an unreasonable investigation.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: It has nothing to do with it. It's irrelevant. We'll talk about it again next time. I listened so well until now, so I didn't have time, so I'll stop here

◇ adoptive father: It's over. Finished. There were a lot of questions.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: I know. Please come out for an hour next time. I see. So far, I've been with Yang Boo-nam, a lawmaker of the Democratic Party of Korea. Thank you.

◇Brother Yang: Yes, thank you.