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[News FM Lee Ik-seon Choi Soo-young Issue & People]

□ Broadcast date and time: November 19, 2024 (Tue)
□ Host: Lee Ik-seon, Choi Soo-young
□ Cast: Woo Sang-ho, former lawmaker of the Democratic Party of Korea

* The text below may differ from the actual broadcast content, so please check the broadcast for more accurate information.




◇ Lee Ik-seon: After lunch, have a cup of tea and go with us. We will join Woo Sang-ho, a former member of the Democratic Party of Korea, today.

◈Woo Sang-ho: Yes, hello, I'm Woo Sang-ho.

◇Lee Ik-seon: How do you spend your daily life?

◈Woo Sang-ho: I'm the chairman of the Lee Han-yeol Commemorative Project. And after appearing on several broadcasts, as I said before, there is a research institute created by 30 to 40 lawmakers called The Future Research Institute, where he became the head of the institute, and his position increased.

◇Lee Ik-seon: Then, you said Pocheon right before our broadcast, but it must be hard to go back and forth.

◈Woo Sang-ho: But it took quite a long time because there was no highway at first, but recently, the Guri Pocheon Expressway has gotten a little faster. It's not that far away.

◆Choi Soo-young: You quit politics and have been doing your daily life for 7 months now. If you could express "human Woo Sang-ho" in one word, how would you describe it?

◈ Woo Sang-ho: I don't know. A man who tried to become a poet but became a lawmaker. I think this is probably what defines me. I went to the Department of Korean Literature to become a poet and joined the Yonsei Literature Society on the first day of the entrance ceremony, so I actually had to live in the Yonsei Literature Society rather than studying the department, but I won the Literature Prize once or twice. It's a world far from literature when you're devoted to student movements after you've served in the military.
◇ Profit Line: I see. Then to Do Jong-hwan, who has done it as a poet and a member of the National Assembly.

◈Woo Sang-ho: I envy you the most.

◆ Choi Soo-young: When I write a poet in English, I call him a poet (SEE). In that sense, the poet thinks that politicians are similar because they look inside us and adjust our conflicts.

◈ Woo Sang: Different. It's completely different. You have to be very honest with yourself to write a good poem. Because they reveal themselves, if there is a secret or pretence, they don't come out with good poems. So a good poem is clear. Politicians don't. Politics looks at the other person's weaknesses first rather than entering itself, so the breath of politics is so different from that of poetry, so I tried to write a poem several times after I became a politician, but I keep lying. So I thought, "I can't do this."

◆Choi Soo-young: Let me change my mind.

◈Woo Sang-ho: That's what I'm saying. Do Jong-hwan got married even after he became a politician. You wrote a very good poem.

◇Lee Ik-seon: When it comes to lawmaker Woo Sang-ho, of course, we have to talk about Lee Han-yeol. The movie 1987 was also well known to the younger generation, but he was the president of Yonsei University's student council during the June Uprising in 1987. And as you said earlier, you have been working on a memorial service and a memorial service, and I heard that your mother, Mrs. Bae Eun-sim, considers you like your own son.

◈Woo Sang-ho: It's a heartbreaking story. In fact, at the age of 22, he was a young man with a very promising future in Yonsei University's business administration, and I was responsible for sending my son to the other world in an instant. I was very distressed because I was responsible for the tear gas at a rally led by me. in debt consciousness Interestingly, since we did memorial events and other things together like our own family, we became close and thought we should play the role of a son even if we can't do as much as our son who lost something, and what's interesting is that my mother talked about it about 10 years later. No matter how much I think about it, this is a strange relationship, but when Lee Han-yeol was young, his name was Sangho. When he was young, he called him Sangho. I called it Han Yeol when I grew up. At that time, I said, "What happened? That's why you're my son," but I cried a lot inside. At the same time, I thought that there was such a relationship, and anyway, the democracy of the Republic of Korea has developed through such tragic events, but behind the scenes, the families of those victims have lived a very heartbreaking life.

◆Choi Soo-young: There was very happy news in the literary world recently. Nobel Prize for Literature by Han Kang. You're an alumnus.

◈Woo Sang-ho: I'm a junior majoring in Korean.

◆Choi Soo-young: Did you have any friends before the news of this award?

◈Woo Sang-ho: No. We're about 9 years apart. But I saw him when he was in first grade. By chance, this friend came outside to protest and lost his shoes, so he came with the seniors of Lee Han-yeol Memorial Foundation, where I was, and borrowed them. I got it back later, but I had to pay a lot for my shoes then. I've said this before, and what I remember back then was Han Seung-won's son, so I paid more attention. But I didn't expect to become such a great writer, so it's amazing.

◇ Profit line: Even then, I was quiet and quiet as I am now. ?

◈Woo Sang-ho: It's the same. He was a very shy and shy junior.

◇Lee Ik-seon: He also talked about Lee Han-yeol, and there were many people who devoted themselves to their youth at that time. They say that people feel disillusioned after watching politics these days, whether they feel rewarded for their dedication at that time.

◈Woo Sang-ho: That always happens, but we changed the days when we couldn't pick the president by our own hands, so the Republic of Korea is a country where democracy has developed this much and the pace of development is fast compared to other countries. However, since the people want advanced politics, the current political culture of confrontation and hatred will be very frustrating. However, even during the dictatorship in the past, there were talks and compromises between the ruling and opposition parties, but strangely, these days, there is a sense of shame that such a culture has retreated further.

◆Choi Soo-young: Then I can't help but ask you political questions because you've served as the floor leader and chairman of the Democratic Party's emergency committee. In fact, Lee Jae-myung's first trial sentence has recently become the center of the issue. a violation of the Public Official Election Act Chairman Lee Jae-myung does not express much with his mouth, but the party's leadership makes some strong remarks such as judicial murder and political rulings. Do you think this fits the Democratic Party's identity or later expansion?

◈Woo Sang-ho: You have to be careful because you're so outraged that you're expressing your emotions. However, in fact, I also judged that there is a possibility of acquittal, but even if I am guilty, this is likely to be a sentence of less than 1 million won. I've had dozens of big and small elections, and I've had six re-elections alone. How many instances of election law violations by fellow MPs or junior politicians would you know? From that point of view, I thought it was too high.

◇Lee Ik-seon: But I'm sorry to ask you again after saying that you have to be careful of too strong remarks, but Rep. Choi Min-hee's remarks that he will kill you if the screaming world moves are repeatedly in the news. Also, Lee Hae-sik's post that Lee Jae-myung is a priest of God is controversial, so how did you hear it?

◈Woo Sang-ho: It's connected to the problem I told you earlier, but because the anger is so big and the emotions get intense, the expressions come out strong. But you need to know how to control it. The general public can say so, but at least the lawmakers, who can be called constitutional institutions, can't they convey the same expression convincingly enough? You need that kind of wisdom. In any case, I think we need to be careful because if this statement becomes too violent and strong, the effect that the statement is trying to achieve will be halved.

◇Lee Ik-seon: Then how would you express it if you were to express it?

◈Woo Sang-ho: I told you earlier. While watching this judicial ruling, it is a judgment involving emotion. I look at it like this. For example, even if Representative Lee Jae-myung decided that this person should not remain in the parliament anymore, I think the reason why he was sentenced to prison was because he would take off his clothes anyway even if he was fined 3 million won and 4 million won. So if the sentence is too high, it's an emotion. There is a golden rule within the judiciary that a judge should not make a judgment revealing the feelings of the judgment. I have to go to prison for saying that I know Kim Moon-ki and don't know him. For example, he saves a prison sentence even though he didn't receive any money and didn't bother others and hurt them. I'm a little puzzled about whether this is a proper sentence, so some conservatives say that this is a bit excessive because those expressions that I felt were too strong. .

◆Choi Soo-young: You can say that the sentiments of the judiciary have been transferred. However, regarding this process, is it rather a so-called disgrace to the court that Representative Lee Jae-myung did not attend the trial or delayed various things late, and said that only I am innocent, that all evidence was tainted and manipulated? What do you think about the fact that it has become a weighting factor?

◈ Woo Sang-ho: That's because there are many elements of the trial that work because it may or may not be. But from my point of view, I think how we're going to get the second trial. It's not over yet, so we'll have to carefully consider that strategy. Since I haven't looked into all the previous trials, I don't think it's appropriate for me to comment on the contents of the trial even if I'm conscious of the judiciary for representative Lee Jae-myung.

◇Lee Ik-seon: Kim Min-seok, a senior member of the Supreme Council, said, "Even if Yongsan hits the dot 100 times, there is no shaking in the change of Lee Jae-myung-centered government." Do you agree?

◈Woo Sang-ho: That's a good thing. In any case, the Democratic Party of Korea should re-examine Lee Jae-myung because he has a high brother who cannot run for president in the first trial. So, it's not time to talk about harsh words and speculative things, but it's actually an emergency, because it's time to make the representative Lee Jae-myung wise in what approach he takes to make it possible to continue politics. From the Democratic Party's point of view, since he is also the party leader and a strong presidential candidate is in such a huge crisis, I think we should work together to overcome this problem.

◆Choi Soo-young: On Thursday last week, the day before the election, you appeared in our YTN radio Shin Yul's news head-to-head competition and said that there would be no damage to Lee Jae-myung's leadership no matter the results of the first trial. You're saying the same thing now, but I'd like to ask you what you expect for the perjury teacher trial on the 25th.

◈Woo Sang-ho: He was already sentenced to prison in the first trial, but what's more different about the strong sentence coming out in the second trial. So, for example, even if a perjury teacher gets a strong sentence, it's the same situation. Because of that, there is no possibility that the Democratic Party will say, "Let's change leadership again." Rather, you have to look at it like this. Such a move to protect representative Lee Jae-myung is accelerated until the final ruling is made in the third trial. So, some people predicted that if the first trial ruling was issued very heavily, the Democratic Party would make new moves such as leadership changes or some kind of non-government movement, but it disappeared because the first trial ruling was too strong. Isn't it like this? For example, the screaming world gathers, or some kind of dragon has finally come to me. If you move, they suffer more damage. Because even though the representative is in such a difficult situation, he or she takes care of his or her own rice bowl and rather receives such criticism, and in that case, voters or party members in the neutral sphere disapprove of his or her popularity.

◇Lee Ik-seon: But it's around 40 billion won now. He was in a situation where he had to return the election fund, and former lawmaker Shin Kyung-min told us in the first section that if this is the case, there could be a situation where he has to make a decision as the party leader and save the party.

◈Woo Sang-ho: Will the party revive if the trial ruling comes out in the first trial and stops? For example, if Chairman Lee Jae-myung quits, the party becomes more confused. So, if the party leader is in such a difficult situation and other people compete to become the party leader, what will be the family's boss? In my view, on a different side, I think there's probably not much change in the Democratic Party until the third trial ruling comes out.

◆Choi Soo-young: Just a moment ago, in the first section, I asked those who often say, "If CEO Lee Jae-myung's presidential election is on an emergency path, will have a chance?" This is something to consider. .

◈ Woo Sang-ho: The Democratic Party is not in the presidential race. So, it's not actually in the presidential race right now, and before that, there's already a big election called a local election. So, in fact, it's not time for presidential candidates to move. So, if you look at it that way, it means that it is not appropriate for me to interpret the presidential actions in connection with Lee Jae-myung's judicial ruling, and if the current atmosphere moves like that, it will inevitably be criticized.

◇Lee Ik-seon: Some point out that there are no middle-level lawmakers who can say something because there were many lawmakers who were brutally killed in the last general election.

◈Woo Sang-ho: In fact, many of the people who used to be called "Scream" lost their seats in the National Assembly. That's one factor, too. So, with such a central point in the party, there is actually little such power movement to walk a different path from the power of Representative Lee Jae-myung. But even now, there are still non-territorial lawmakers. Not all of them have biological names. But even for those lawmakers, it's hard for them to be the representative, but to touch the representative is against the kumdo. That's what I'm thinking.

◇Lee Ik-seon: Let's play a balance game that we didn't tell you in advance. Here's the first question. He's a farming politician. You grow 25 kinds of crops, but what kind of farming did you share this year? If not, who's your favorite politician you'd like to share?

◈Woo Sang-ho: Rep. Do Jong-hwan

◆ Choi Soo-young: No. 2 Young-ho Woo, a prospective poet who won the Yun Dong-ju Literature Award for 15 minutes in May If there is a next life, I want to live more. No. 1 Poet No. 2 is still a politician!

◈ Woo Sang-ho: Poet.

◇Lee Ik-seon: You are the first in the Democratic Party of Korea to run in the 3rd 22nd general election. Who is the most pathetic person these days as a politician who put down his active duty? 1 Lee Jae-myung 2 Yoon Suk Yeol 3 Han Dong-hoon

◈ Woo Sang-ho: Lee Jae-myung. I'm in so much trouble now

◆ Choi Soo-young: There are several politicians left from the 4th party's activist generation. The politician who wants to cheer for 586 is Song Young-gil No. 1, Song Yeong-gil No. 2, Kim Min-seok

◈Woo Sang-ho: Song Young-gil is my friend

◇ Profit Line: Last. In the party's primary for the 2021 Seoul mayoral by-election, former Minister Park Young-sun gave up a candidate. What kind of election would it be if I were to run in the next election? No. 1 Seoul mayoral election No. 2 presidential election

◈Woo Sang-ho: I'm thinking of challenging the head of a regional organization, but I'm still thinking a little more about the region.

◇Lee Ik-seon: Then, the mayor of Seoul.

◆Choi Soo-young: I had to get an answer, but I expected number one. I expected No. 1 Do Jong-hwan to admit it, and No. 2 also mentioned earlier, and No. 3 needs a little supplementary explanation.

◈Woo Sang-ho: Well, anyway, political life is at its peak, but I think it's not good enough. In my view, judicial rulings are being made against him too much, so he must be physically and mentally tired. I've been tried for election law in the past, and I'm usually tired of my mind and body for about two years until it's finally confirmed. I have to sit in court every two weeks, but it's not just one or two cases right now, and there will be extreme fatigue.

◇ Lee Ik-seon: I see. There are several 586 politicians in the activist generation within the party, and the person who wants to support more is Song Young-gil instead of Kim Min-seok.
◈ Woo Sang: Because he's my friend. I'm close to all of them, but when lawmaker Kim Min-seok first went out as mayor of Seoul, I was the head of the primary department and I always moved with him, but we're friends at the same school. He's having a hard time, too. Neither the National Assembly nor the mayor of Seoul

◆Choi Soo-young: By the way, do you keep in touch these days?

◈Woo Sang-ho: No, we haven't been in touch with each other recently.

◇Lee Ik-seon: Yes, I think you're going to have a drink, are you on trial now?

◈Woo Sang-ho: It's because politicians don't get along well if the party is different.

◆Choi Soo-young: But the head of the metropolitan government said something interesting earlier, and we thought of it as the mayor of Seoul, but the governor of Gyeonggi-do Province.

◈Woo Sang-ho: I can't talk about that anymore, but I don't think it's a good way to express your greed even if the mayor of Seoul runs in the primary.

◇Lee Ik-seon: First of all, I keep checking your love of poetry. If you were to pick your favorite poem and favorite poet, who would you pick next?

◈Woo Sang-ho: I'm a senior to him, so he's dead now, but poet Hyung Sang-do was in the third grade when I was in the first grade. I was very influenced. At that time, you were not a poet, you were a student. But when I wrote a poem, I wrote it very well in the beginning note. Sangho, look at this and write it in the club room because you showed me first. One-third of the poems I read at that time are called black leaves in my mouth, but I'm very familiar with them. It's a pity that the poems I've seen since I was a freshman are very influenced, but they passed away so quickly. But anyway, his poetry collection continues to be a bestseller, so I like a poem called an empty house among them, but black leaves are always worth keeping.

◇ Profit Line: I have it, too.

◆Choi Soo-young: Now, let's go back to the third-person observer's point of view and ask some questions. I'm going to talk about the power of the people, but representative Han Dong-hoon raises the level of the offensive very much after the conviction of representative Lee Jae-myung in the first trial. On the 25th, perjury teachers say that they may be arrested in court and arrested in court, but do you think this strategy is meaningful?

◈Woo Sang-ho: I suffered for a long time because of the situation of Mrs. Kim Gun-hee. It seems that the intention is to escape the situation and drag the judicial frame of representative Lee Jae-myung for a long time, but the intention was naturally expected. But it's not appropriate as a party leader. Because party leader Lee Jae-myung is a partner of party leader Han Dong-hoon. Usually, when a partner has a hard time, he will sue or like it, but on the outside, he says, "It's unfortunate." That's political gold. Not long ago, we met and had a representative meeting, and talked as if we were going to meet soon, but we died well. If you use this kind of expression, wouldn't you be told that the person is really terrible? Will that help CEO Han Dong-hoon? So CEO Han Dong-hoon looks smart, but he doesn't look virtuous. It's because of this language. From what I see, I haven't taken off my inspection tee yet. These are the languages that I feel that way.

◇Lee Ik-seon: Speaking of gold, I suddenly remembered. During the holiday, the presidential office sent a lot of holiday gifts to lawmakers, and some members of the Democratic Party refused to receive the gifts, took a picture of it and posted it on their SNS and refused the gifts. I posted something like that. How did you see this as a senior politician?

◈Woo Sang-ho: If you're not going to eat that, why would you give it to me? It's not appropriate. You might not get it. It's not appropriate to disclose it. Then what do the lawmakers who received it become? So, even if you always have a purpose and a will, you shouldn't do something that makes you compare yourself to others. I've received gifts from President Lee Myung Bak and President Park Geun Hye. It's not an individual gift, but a gift from a qualified president to a lawmaker, so it's a courtesy between the institution and the institution. You didn't give it to me personally, right? In that respect, I thought, "Do I need to do that?"

◆Choi Soo-young: Listening to you, everything in the world has side effects, and there are side effects, so I think I should think about that and live. But one more question, CEO Han Dong-hoon continues to insist on a special inspection, not an independent counsel, regarding Kim Gun-hee. Do you think this special inspection strategy will continue to work in the future?

◈Woo Sang-ho: That special inspection is for the purpose of not receiving an independent counsel. So what I mean is that there was a possibility that the members of the People's Power would leave when re-deciding this time or when voting on the Special Prosecutor Act. There are quite a few people I'm close to who are members of the People's Power, so from what I hear, there are few people who will agree with impeachment, but there were quite a few who said that the issue of First Lady Kim Gun-hee should be sorted out. So there was a possibility that there would be quite a lot of leave votes this time. I think it was persuaded by the medical association. I'll be a special inspection team, so I read it with the intention of asking those who think about how to move on without doing this to the special inspection team to replace it with a special inspection. So I think that the intention wasn't this pure. Second, it takes some time anyway when the person appointed to the special inspector is appointed. He starts his activities from the day he was appointed. Then he won't dig into the presidential election from a long time ago. So, in my opinion, the special prosecutor is supposed to deal with everything before he was elected as president. In that sense, the special prosecutor is actually a little evasive. And although it is a measure to prevent a recurrence, it is difficult for a special inspector to operate to organize or solve problems that have occurred in the past. In that respect, if I compare it with the special prosecutor that the Democratic Party of Korea has insisted on, it is a trick. I need a special inspector like this. If you have such a position, you will be careful. But isn't the opposition party and the people's idea now more than 70 percent of the independent counsel bill in favor of the independent counsel bill because of the intention to clean up the various gossip raised by Kim Gun-hee? So measures to prevent recurrence are good, but the answer to the question of what to do about what has been done so far is not.

◇Lee Ik-seon: Lee Joon-seok, former leader of the People's Power Party, is emerging as a new detonator. I held a press conference a few days ago and made a lot of claims about the situation in 2022. What do you think about Lee Joon-seok's attitude, situation, and content?

◈Woo Sang-ho: I was surprised. So far, there have been quite a few testimonies and evidence related to Kim Gun-hee. There has been no testimony or evidence of any illegal acts, actions or anything in relation to President Yoon Suk Yeol. There were only a lot of rumors, but representative Lee Joon-seok's testimony was that President Yoon Suk Yeol committed illegal acts after his election as president. And he's saying that the evidence is on him. I'm really flabbergasted. So, for example, President Park Geun Hye will be sentenced to two years in prison for 20 years when he is tried later, but what he received two years is that he conducted a poll at Cheong Wa Dae and sent it to the party to draw up a list of pro-Park lawmakers and nominate them. I got a two-year sentence for this. If the president asked the party leader who had the right to nominate at the time to do something for a mayor, a county, or someone here, it would be the same as being sentenced to two years in prison. It's because I gave you a list, so if you just ask me to help someone close to you a lot, it's a bit different. But if you gave a name and asked me to put it somewhere, this is illegal. This case has a Supreme Court case. I'm really flabbergasted. If representative Lee Joon-seok says that, the president of Yoon Suk Yeol will be appalled. But you can't prove the problem if you don't submit it with the evidence.

◇Lee Ik-seon: Then why do you think former party leader Lee Joon-seok is like this?

◈ Woo Sang-ho: He was trying to protect himself. So, of course, Lee Joon-seok and Kim Jong-in, former chairmen of the emergency committee, were mentioned as the subject of this investigation. So, didn't Myung Taekyun reveal this and that because his name was mentioned and the investigation network was narrowing down? Don't mess with the former CEO Lee Joon-seok saying he has a very big one. And other people keep talking about Lee Jun-seok's responsibility. Since the party leader had the right to nominate at that time, Lee Joon-seok did it, and there are quite a few people who made excuses like this. He threw a count punch about that. Since then, no politician has mentioned Lee Joon-seok or attacked Lee Joon-seok, right? Only Soyeon Kim lawyers, not Myung Tae-kyun's lawyers, attack. All attacks and claims against CEO Lee Joon-seok have disappeared.

◆Choi Soo-young: Attorney Soyeon Kim also resigned today.

◈Woo Sang-ho: I can't stand it. If you touch Lee Jun-seok, you will hurt the president of Yoon Suk Yeol.

◇Lee Ik-seon: Salon de Sangam Today was a time with Woo Sang-ho, a former lawmaker of the Democratic Party of Korea. Thank you for your precious time today. Thank you.