CEO Lee Jae-myung's "5 trials alone"...Democratic Party of Korea's "Crazy Political Retaliation" Resists

■ Host: Kim Sun-young Anchor
■ Starring: Shin Ji-ho, Vice-President of the People's Power Strategic Planning, Kim Hyung-joo, Special Professor of Semyung University

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[Anchor]
A political commentary with a living angle, starting at the stroke of the hour. We invited Shin Ji-ho, the Vice President of the Strategic Planning Department of the People's Power, and Kim Hyung-joo, a special professor at Semyung University. Let's check the first keyword first. It's a mad political vendetta. The Democratic Party is outraged.

The prosecution's sixth indictment of Representative Lee Jae-myung has led to five trials in total. The Democratic Party criticized the prosecution at the top this morning. Let's listen to it.

[Anchor]
After all, President Yoon also showed that the Democratic Party of Korea is protesting, asking if he was lying. He seems to be refuting whether he will prosecute until he dies.

[Shin Ji-ho]
But even if you do this prosecution, it's too much, this is the reaction of the Democratic Party. Conversely, from the ordinary perspective of the general public, even if it's done, isn't it too much? How can you even touch such money? It was about 2.7 million won that was paid as a laundry fee as a national tax.

And then buying food can't be a little ambiguous. It may be ambiguous whether he bought it to entertain fruits when an official guest came. But it's so clear that this is not the fruit for me. He did something about his family's ancestral food there. And I'm not saying I fabricated the documents. As if they had another meeting that they didn't even do. After that, Lee Jae-myung's son made an appointment at the hospital, provided driving services, and so on.

He was a public official who really didn't know the construction. And if you look at this, the Democratic Party of Korea talks about Chairman Lee Jae-myung as if he were a tremendous political prisoner and a political prisoner who received political repression and retaliation, but if you look at the crime, he is a miscellaneous offender.

[Anchor]
He was additionally indicted by the prosecution on charges of misappropriating corporate cards in Gyeonggi Province. It would be nice if you could show us the graphic summary of the prosecution. I think it can be divided into various items. These are the things that Vice-President Shin Ji-ho mentioned a while ago.

So, the official car is 60.16 million won, the corporate card is 8.89 million won, the fruit is 27.91 million won, the sandwich is 6.85 million won, and the laundry fee is 2.7 million won. That means the total is over 100 million won. So, what are you prosecuting for using a corporate card, but the prosecution's argument seems to be that the prosecution should prosecute based on the amount and method.

[Kim Hyung-joo]
Whether the amount is more than 100 million or 100 million won changes the name of the crime and the importance. In fact, it is said that if it exceeds 100 million won beyond breach of trust and embezzlement, there will be more aggravated punishment such as embezzlement of state funds. So there is also criticism from the Democratic Party that it has added various items to exceed 100 million.

Aren't you saying that you bought the biggest G80, which is over 60 million won, but you didn't put it in the provincial government office at all, but just used it in the parking lot near the branch office's house? As a result, the monthly rental fee was 1.3 million won, and the gas fee was more than 60 million won.

[Anchor]
So it's a different car than the one in front of the governor, right?

[Kim Hyung-joo]
This is my new car. I bought this car as soon as I became governor. Originally, the province can buy a car. Old cars can be discarded and purchased, but as you know, it's an official car, it's a car that public officials apply for when they have official work. However, the fact that I bought it entirely for private equity is a huge problem and the amount is being recorded the largest, so I think that should be considered that way.

Since the rest of the fruit prices and even laundry fees are over 1 million won from the public's point of view, from the perspective of the Democratic Party of Korea, it is quite doubtful that Lee Jae-myung or Kim Hye-kyung did not touch every card.

In fact, if we follow the judge's discussion in Kim Hye-kyung's trial by tacit instructions, who would have ordered it even tacitly in the end? In that respect, representative Lee Jae-myung is not free. Moreover, in order to explain the money spent like that, there are aspects such as public officials' work promotion expenses, encouragement funds, and encouragement expenses, and even forgery of official documents. Also, I think that there could be some public officials who are punished in the process.

[Anchor]
The Democratic Party of Korea seems to think that it would be good to show the graphic again, but should we do this with the money we ate the sandwich? Representative Lee Jae-myung is explaining that he used it for late-night meals by government officials.

[Shin Ji-ho]
It's a little ambiguous when it comes to food, but if you go out to work and eat sandwiches on holidays other than work, you may be able to handle the budget, but go to Cheongdam-dong and buy Japanese shampoos, so it's almost your personal secretary in charge of personal affairs.

Then, I think Bae formed a team of his wife, became the team leader, oversaw everything, and then Governor Lee Jae-myung lived at the Gyeonggi-do governor's official residence in Suwon. Kim Hye-kyung is originally an apartment in Sunae-dong, Bundang, but fruits go both ways. Then in the case of Kim Hye-kyung, aren't you staying at home personally regardless of the governor's public work? Why do you order food delivery?

[Anchor]
There was a picture of beef, but CEO Lee Jae-myung is saying that Bae and his entourage paid for it, and the governor didn't know that. How do you see it?

[Kim Hyung-joo]
I can't tell you every single thing. That's what I can say.Anyway, in the case of Mr. Bae, I think we should look at him like that, who was hired for his wife. As a result, the direction is already given. It is said that the Gyeonggi-do Provincial Government has arranged work outside of the role of public officials from the beginning.

In addition, some of them seem to be attacking Cho Myung-hyun or Bae, who worked as a wife team, not only for that purpose but also for the salary that was not properly used.
So basically, I don't think there's any way we can defend what the Democrats are saying about what they're attacking.

It's an inappropriate way to look at it. In that sense, we have no choice but to talk about the issue of equity. In fact, a similar part was used, for example, when he was the governor of another province, and when Governor Won Hee-ryong was the governor of Jeju Island. There is no choice but to talk about these content issues and insincere attitudes toward prosecutors' requests for data submission on the use of special activity expenses during the Yoon Suk Yeol Prosecutor General's Office. Nevertheless, this issue is difficult for Democrats to properly defend themselves as a whole.

[Anchor]
Anyway, CEO Lee Jae-myung claims that he didn't know at the time because the entourage paid for it, but we should keep in mind the timing of the prosecution's indictment after Kim Hye-kyung's first trial came out, right? [Shin Ji-ho] Kim Hye-kyung was fined 1.5 million won in the first trial, which provided lunch to the three spouses of the National Assembly at the time. 104,000 won, that's a suspicion.

That's the tip of the iceberg in this charge, the use of corporate cars. So, people of the Democratic Party feel unfair about this, but what happened during the Moon Jae In administration was that Professor Kang Kyu-hyung of Myongji University was a director of KBS to kick out KBS directors appointed during the previous administration and the Park Geun Hye administration, and the problem was 120,000 won. I kicked him out for 120,000 won.

[Anchor]
Are you saying that the amount is not the problem, but that we should look into this and talk about it?

[Shin Ji-ho]
In terms of content, it's almost like a small thief, not a needle thief.

[Anchor]
Since CEO Lee Jae-myung is facing too many trials, will he be able to serve as a representative, not twice a week, but three times a week. How do you see it?

[Kim Hyung-joo]
In reality, there is an internal shock because the outcome of the trial was stronger than the Democratic Party's overall thinking. In addition, there is a lot of concern that the perjury teacher may result in a trial much more aggravated than the current election law, so internally, there is no choice but to consider various things. In addition to this, there are other problems and investigations into the Jeongja-dong hotel.

I think that the Democratic Party of Korea is at a level where it can't get its act together when investigating one after another. Nevertheless, when the party leader is vacant, I think it can be carried out in accordance with the basic order of the party or the best of Jeong Cheong-rae.

[Anchor]
Representative Lee Jae-myung's business trip to Australia, which was a key evidence regarding the trial of the Public Official Election Act, was first presented by Lee Ki-in, a member of the New Reform Party. Today, Supreme Council member Lee Ki-in said this in a media interview about the trial. Let's listen to it.

[Anchor]
We heard the story of Supreme Council member Lee Ki-in. First of all, the picture of Lee Jae-myung, the leader of the Democratic Party, saying that it was manipulated. We were provided by the Supreme Council member who won the original. As you can see, the left side is the original. The edited version is shown on the right. CEO Lee Jae-myung claimed that the edited version was fabricated. How do you see that part?

[Shin Ji-ho]
Manipulation is, for example, changing each person's position in the original photo, or something like that. Didn't you just zoom in on some of the original? That's not called manipulation. If that's a manipulation, I think Lee Jae-myung is not good at basic Korean language to represent the National Assembly, and even the majority party.

[Anchor]
I never said I didn't play golf. Supreme Council member Lee Ki-in called it sophistry and the court did not accept it. Didn't you say that?

[Kim Hyung-joo]
In practice, many people played golf or not, so they thought they played in two groups, but in reality, Yoo Dong-gyu, the late Mayor Kim Moon-ki, and Lee Jae-myung played only three people, making this argument even more meaningless. It's a fabrication that I zoomed in on the picture. No.Before we win, the actual facts are like that.

[Anchor]
Lee Ki-in, a member of the New Reform Party, also talked about the trends of the bereaved families of former Minister Kim Moon-ki in a media interview today. Not long ago, he said he talked to his wife on the phone after the first trial, and he said his daughter was in such a difficult situation that she also took medicine to the College Scholastic Ability Test site.

[Shin Ji-ho]
So, maybe for the family, the death of the husband and father remains a trauma for a long time, so it is very difficult to live a normal life. That's what it's said now. However, on the day of Kim Moon-ki's funeral, CEO Lee Jae-myung hit his heart when his mother saw the couple filmed a Christmas carol video in a red Santa costume. There's also a story like this. So CEO Lee Jae-myung didn't even go to Kim Moon-ki's funeral. There's a lot of talk about wanting to have a minimum human example.

[Anchor]
To be exact, the video was released on the day of the stamping. The shooting may have been done before, but the bereaved family was heartbroken that the video was released that day, and the story of Supreme Council member Lee Ki-in is true, but in a way, some people seem to express such regret as what it would have been like if the representative Lee Jae-myung had responded by dividing the human and legal aspects.

[Kim Hyung-joo]
That's right. Even if you officially deny that you're officially aware of it because there's a problem with election law, apart from that, if it happened because of yourself, isn't it the case that your subordinate died even if you don't know him officially? in a difficult situation

If so, no one would have criticized anyone for being placed there, even if he went there and told the bereaved family that it was truly heartbreaking. Because there was no such action, the broadcast that day was not aired could have been a recorded broadcast. In addition, campaigners and presidential candidates have no choice but to make such videos at a difficult time in many funeral homes across the country, but I think it's heartbreaking that the more personal it is, the less unfair it would have been to ask for your wife or understanding and pay condolences.

[Anchor]
Professor, briefly. Anyway, Lee Jae-myung's statement that golf-related photos were fabricated became a problem and the conviction came out. In this regard, what strategy do you think is necessary for CEO Lee Jae-myung to take from the appeal trial?

[Kim Hyung-joo]
It's better not to discuss that part at the appeal trial anyway. In particular, it was not said that it was possible to recognize Kim Moon-ki in general, but the court recognized it and it is a lie. However, it is ambiguous to address the issue under election law because it was not declared by himself as an active lie.

I think that's exactly the judge's position. Then, at least the photos related to Kim Moon-ki have been manipulated, and all of these parts have already been rejected. It is meaningless for Lee Jae-myung's lawyer to raise the issue with it again, I think so.

[Anchor]
The power of the people, who are focusing on the Democratic Party's pressure strategy, is putting this keyword on the other axis. Please show us the next topic. We will strive for change and reform. CEO Han Dong-hoon has recently been focusing his efforts on people's livelihood. What did Representative Han Dong-hoon say after Representative Lee Jae-myung's first sentence of the election law? Let's listen to it.

[Anchor]
In this situation, we should not expect reflective profits. Did you actually talk about that a lot with people around you?

[Shin Ji-ho]
I did a lot. This is the last opportunity given. I'm saying this over and over again that it could be the last chance for the ruling power to stay in this administration. Representative Lee Jae-myung's decision is not the result of the people's hard work and winning it on their own.

The judiciary made a strict ruling in accordance with the evidence and legal principles, not because the power of the people was good. So, when you expect a reflective benefit, it means you're going to get a free ride. I mean, I'm going to earn an unearned income. So it's not a very conscientious act. Let's do something on our own. It is true that the people's livelihood is very difficult right now.

The economic experience is much worse than the data. So our party will hold a Supreme Council meeting tomorrow Thursday, and I think the composition of the Special Committee on Public Welfare and Economy will be passed through the resolution of the Supreme Council tomorrow. Representative Han Dong-hoon takes the helm and takes care of the economy of the people's livelihood with the members of the standing committee in the relevant field. This is not budget season.

That's why I'm looking at it like this. [Anchor] I think you can check the drive for people's livelihoods just by looking at CEO Han Dong-hoon's recent schedule in the past few days. We are continuing our schedules such as the small and medium-sized business meeting and the Federation of Korean Trade Unions leadership meeting. The question is, does the power of the people have the ability to use this opportunity as an opportunity to increase the party's approval rating?

[Kim Hyung-joo]
And considering the sincerity, the first key to raising the people's livelihood economy now is to create an atmosphere in which the opposition party can cooperate with the ruling party's demands at the National Assembly. So, rather than asking for Lee Jae-myung's trial to be broadcast live, the president has not even explained about next year's budget plan, and the people's livelihood budget is huge. The most important part for the people's livelihood and economy is to make it soft so that the budget bill can be passed quickly by the ruling and opposition parties can support the projects that the ruling party or the president wants to do.

However, the people's livelihood economy is not easy while forming an angle with the opposition party. without the cooperation of the absolute majority of opposition parties In that regard, I think it would be nice to see why you go so smoothly with representative Lee Jae-myung, even if you are criticized, that doing so is the best way for people's livelihood.

[Anchor]
You mean you need to know how to cooperate when it comes to cooperation. In any case, Vice-President Shin Ji-ho also emphasized the importance of personnel reform, even though there are stinging voices in the party that there is a lack of reform voices. And the Prime Minister's face also said that he needs someone who can emphasize such innovation, so how do you think it should be changed?

[Shin Ji-ho]
There are some criticisms on the media right now, but in general, they are senior politicians in our party.

[Anchor]
It was specifically mentioned in the article, so we prepared a graphic, so you can show it to us. I think it would be nice to see people who are on the Prime Minister's list. What did you think after seeing those people?

[Shin Ji-ho]
Each and every one of them are great people. But people's livelihoods are so difficult. Looking at it, many people around me wondered if there would be a prime minister of people's livelihood who has professional ability to properly solve the people's livelihood economy and leadership to lead the entire ministries' cabinet.

So, specifically, if Lee Chang-yong, the governor of the Bank of Korea, is appointed as prime minister, I understand that the ruling and opposition parties agreed when he became the governor of the Bank of Korea. In reality, there may be no big problem in getting approval from the opposition party and he may be a suitable person for the current situation. You've never entered politics, haven't you? In a way, there are relatively many comments about how it would be to take care of only the people's livelihood without political colors.

[Anchor]
It's being discussed as an idea in the party with Lee Chang-yong's card. If President Yoon Suk Yeol chooses among the people we showed you graphically, will the Democratic Party evaluate it as a means of reform? What do you think?

[Kim Hyung-joo]
I don't think there's anyone to evaluate it like that. And those who have shown a lot of faces can feel a little rough from the opposition party's point of view. Rather, I think it will be much easier for the Democratic Party of Korea to receive it when people who have not previously clashed with the ruling and opposition parties come. In addition, I look forward to becoming a person who can make changes in our state affairs and cooperate with the opposition parties while recognizing the changes in the new administration in the United States.

[Anchor]
Anyway, it is an opportunity for the power of the people to unite for the first time in a long time. Controversy over the party's bulletin board continues to act as a detonator. Former Supreme Council member Jang Ye-chan made this claim in a media interview today. Let's listen to it.

[Anchor]
As Jang Ye-chan, a former supreme council member, writes a thesis, he is on the offensive by analyzing these accounts a lot, but did the party decide to audit the part where the family name appeared? What happened?

[Shin Ji-ho]
I never decided to do a party audit. The investigation is much faster because the investigation has been opened. As you know, there is a big difference between having the right to compulsory investigation and not when you investigate and compare it with the party. That's why it's the fastest to prove it through investigation.

But in the case of former Supreme Court member Jang Ye-chan, he is not a member of the people's power. He left the party on his own, so he is not a powerful member of the people. However, people who keep mentioning the issue of this party's bulletin board have something in common when it is difficult for the people's livelihood to have such an important issue, and when the relationship between Korea and Japan goes to the thawing mood after a long time, they have to work together to renew their minds and focus on reform.

One YouTuber started it. I've made a great discovery. But as you know, as a YouTuber, there are practical problems such as hitting Han Dong-hoon, such as Super Chat or donations. In the case of Jang Ye-chan, he consistently claims to be a sniper of Han Dong-hoon.

Because as long as Han Dong-hoon is present, his political position does not come out. As long as Han Dong-hoon is the leader of the party, there is no future for a new politician named Jang Ye-chan who wants to revive. So don't ask, it's Han Dong-hoon's attack. Then, I'm doing that because I think that material is plausible this time, but I think that's why such an act itself is desirable for the future of the party and for the party. It's not like that at all. I think it's for personal gain.

[Anchor]
However, quite specifically, there are many voices within the party that want the cause to be revealed in the pro-yoon circles, so I hope representative Han Dong-hoon will make a quick statement, but representative Han Dong-hoon seems to be avoiding immediate answers. How do you see that?

[Kim Hyung-joo]
If it's Han Dong-hoon's style, what would you bet on, Jang Ye-chan? There's nothing to bet on.Ma. Then, I'll bet on the leader of the party. I'm the type to go on the offensive right away. But it's like staying silent for too long. In the process, there was also a problem that seemed to be accumulating suspicions.

And the other thing is, on the contrary, few people, ruling or opposition, pay attention to the party's bulletin board. Because it functions like a manatee. However, it should be viewed as meaningful enough to doubt whether it is a plan to kick out the party leader.

[Anchor]
Why did the bulletin board name search suddenly happen? Isn't there a lot of things behind it? Amid these suspicions, Rep. Cheon Ha-ram raised these suspicions. The reason why Kang Ki-hoon was not dismissed from the presidential office of senior administrator is that he received such a report because he is in charge of the controversy over the bulletin board of a party member who is suspected of involvement in CEO Han Dong-hoon's family.

[Shin Ji-ho]
We received such reports much faster than Representative Cheon Ha-ram, and there will be a lot more in quantity. That's why it's a suspicion. Therefore, senior administrator Kang Ki-hoon is playing a key role in anti-Han Dong-hoon political maneuvering.

[Anchor]
mentioned as a target of human renewal

[Shin Ji-ho]
That's not a reason for reform just because you worked against Han Dong-hoon, but how can you do that even if you pay a drunk driving fine of 8 million won? I received a lot of reports. And there are a lot of very plausible reports. However, it seems that the fact-checking has not been proven to be true. We don't make a fuss like this. I don't think it's desirable to create such a conflict for the party.

[Anchor]
Briefly, Professor Kim, what's the problem if it turns out that the family wrote it as Jang Ye-chan claimed. Can't you blame the president? There are voices that refute it.

[Kim Hyung-joo]
I can refute it. Did you recognize that the most important thing is that you ordered it systematically? It's probably something like this. That could happen without CEO Han Dong-hoon's knowledge. That's why it's important to do it quickly. I didn't know because I quickly investigated and investigated, but if there's anything to do, it's the best way to do it quickly.

[Anchor]
Let's see how the bulletin board controversy will end. They were Shin Ji-ho, the Vice-President of the Strategic Planning Department of the People's Power, and Kim Hyung-joo, two special professors. Thank you.