Minju, the 4th outdoor rally...Tomorrow, Lee Jae-myung's perjury teacher is the first trial.

D-1 Perjury Teacher's First Trial Sentence
Democratic Party of Korea's fourth outdoor rally
Minju, 'Blue Clothes' Self-restraint
"Lee Jae-myung is arrested" in response to the remuneration.

■ Host: Lee Ha-rin Anchor
■ Starring: Choi Chang-ryul, Yongin University Special Professor, Park Sang-gyu, current affairs critic


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[Anchor]
The Democratic Party of Korea held its fourth outdoor rally calling for an independent counsel for Kim Gun-hee. Representative Lee Jae-myung who attended the meeting. Unlike the previous rally, I didn't say much. Tomorrow, the first trial will be sentenced to perjury. Let's look at the political circles surrounding Lee's judicial risk, which he encountered again in 10 days. With Choi Chang-ryeol, a special professor at Yongin University, and Park Sang-gyu, a current affairs critic. Welcome, two of you. As I said, the Democratic Party held its fourth outdoor rally condemning the current government. The appearance of the
rally has changed a bit. I didn't even see the blue color of the Democratic Party. Representative Lee Jae-myung attended the rally but did not give a separate speech. It is a court intimidation protest, can it be said that they were conscious of the ruling party's claims?

[Park Sang Kyu]
There's that, too. I watched the protest yesterday from a distance. There are three points. First, the number of people attending the rally seems to have fallen below 10,000.

[Anchor]
You didn't announce it this time, did you?

[Park Sang Kyu]
I didn't announce it, but the police investigation came out again. 9,000 people gathered. Some said 8,000 people, but the unofficial thing of the Democratic Party was 100,000. This is 300,000 claims at the first rally, and 200,000 claims at the second and third rallies. However, the fact that the Democratic Party of Korea said it was about 100,000, even though it did not officially say that the Democratic Party of Korea's claim has already been completely bent in half. So there's one thing that the number of people attending the rally was low. There were so many empty seats in the back. The rally didn't last 30 minutes. After about 25 minutes, he just turned to a citizen's march, and as you said, Lee Jae-myung sat in the front row without expressing any position and then joined the march.

Only floor leader Park Chan-dae gave a short speech, but what did he say? He said he urged President Yoon Suk Yeol to fire him. The word impeachment is not even mentioned at all, and it's what Trump said. Your Fired, the mere use of that expression alone seems to have dampened the voice of the Democratic Party. The third scene to pay attention to is that a citizen shouted such a slogan to arrest Lee Jae-myung. That's what I said. But I didn't get any restrictions.
Why? It would be strange to stop them because they said that they participated in a civic group rally, not a Democratic Party rally where blue clothes and blue flags disappeared as you said. In addition, we were supposed to allow such voices, but we should be able to go out as soon as we suppress anything in the atmosphere. That there was no such word. The atmosphere has completely changed. Although it is said that Lee Jae-myung is not a bulletproof rally, it is inevitable to point out these points as facts that there was little participation from the middle class and passing citizens.

[Anchor]
As you said to remove the political color, Representative Lee Jae-myung did not say much yesterday. Previously, I said I believe in the judiciary, but I will continue my conversation after hearing it. It can be seen as a statement that believes in the judiciary, a statement conscious of tomorrow's sentence, right?

[Choi Chang Ryul]
That's right. What would CEO Lee Jae-myung have in his head other than tomorrow's trial? On the 15th, such a heavy sentence was imposed. If a significant amount of prison is handed down tomorrow, there will be considerable agitation within the Democratic Party about the political life of Chairman Lee Jae-myung, except for very hard-liners. Tomorrow's trial is more important than ever, and I don't know if the story of the trial will come out later, but CEO Lee Jae-myung cannot talk about the judiciary critically. In addition to Chairman Lee Jae-myung, an outdoor rally was held on Saturday the 16th after the Democratic Party of Korea's trial on the 15th. This is a political judgment that served as a political judgment that eliminated political opponents of the prosecution's dictatorship. It's a crazy ruling by the crazy regime
. This is not just a criticism of the judiciary, but a situation that could sound like a denial of the constitutional system of the Republic of Korea. I can't say that. It must have been a trial the day after tomorrow. It's a trial in three days, and it sounds like an appeal to the judiciary. That's why representative Lee Jae-myung can't say anything critical about the judiciary at all, and it reflects those parts, and we talked about the outdoor rally for a while. The motto and slogan used as the cause of the outdoor rally are Kim Gun-hee's special prosecutor and Chae Sang-byung's special prosecutor. Anyway, as the Democratic Party of Korea, you are the party leader and the main opposition party's strong presidential candidate, right now. In this situation, we have to be conscious of Chairman Lee Jae-myung's trial.As a result, speculation and reasoning about a BTS rally are possible. However, if the scale was smaller than I thought and the court's ruling on the 15th felt really brutal, I wouldn't have seen such a scene. There is a driving force for citizens to gather voluntarily. In a democratic country, the energy of citizens' national sovereignty is alive in any form. I don't think that's how it works.

In other words, the general public and the middle class do not seem to think that the judgment of the court is very wrong. The last poll showed similar results, but I know there are many things that I think the trial was valid. I think it reflects that.

[Anchor]
Representative Lee Jae-myung's appeal to the judiciary was analyzed like this, but the sentence on the 15th was a charge of lying ahead of the presidential election. And tomorrow's sentence is a charge of lying to another witness. CEO Lee is currently on five trials, so I think we need to organize this and go. Tomorrow's sentence begins 22 years ago.

[Park Sang Kyu]
Simply put, it can be seen as related to the presidential election. This is because Lee Jae-myung denied the allegations of perjury in 2004 again 14 years later in 2018 amid the debate over the election of the governor of Gyeonggi Province. In other words, there were suspicions of perjury teachers during the mayor of Seongnam at that time, but in 2018, it was an election debate for the governor of Gyeonggi-do Province. But it was a successful teacher who claimed that it was not a perjury teacher. Because he was acquitted. Lee Jae-myung is the biggest beneficiary of the perjury teacher in the case because he was acquitted and maintained his position as governor of Gyeonggi-do, and he ran for president and lost narrowly, but he became the leader of the Democratic Party and was able to reign while hearing that he is now the president of Yeouido. This is the argument of the prosecution and the power of the people. On the other hand, CEO Lee Jae-myung is a failed teacher. He claims that the teacher has failed and that he has been squeezed into a transcript containing my claim that he can just tell me as it is. However, I don't remember the person who perjured Kim Jin-sung, and there is a recording that he received perjured teacher.

The person who received the recording said it, so what did CEO Lee Jae-myung say? As it is, the years have passed anyway, so please do it. But you can just say you heard it. That's missing. That's the most important thing to say. Please tell me that's what you heard. I can't remember because it's been a while. I'll send you a summary of your argument, so tell me as it is. This is a perjury teacher. This result was a success. So, didn't you lead to the acquittal of maintaining the position of governor of Gyeonggi-do? The most important issue in tomorrow's sentence is whose argument the court will say is right. However, considering that the results came out because they benefited, it can only be said that there was a significant benefit that affected the presidential election. For this reason, inevitably, 83% of perjury is originally sentenced to prison. If perjury is successful, the court has sentenced 83 percent to prison, and among them, the teacher is punished more seriously. So, Kim Jin-sung, who is said to have perjured himself, is sentenced to 10 months in the prosecution. However, as CEO Lee Jae-myung is known for teaching perjury, it has been three years since the previous sentence. According to the principle of proportionality, one year in prison is possible even if it is reduced by a year and a half. Then, shouldn't you be arrested in court? There's a lot of controversy here. That's why the general opinion is that he didn't get arrested in court. This is because it is a very serious issue, but even if it is arrested in court, it must be released when the majority Democratic Party of Korea passes a resolution to release it. Would the presiding judge be able to handle such a group? So, roughly speaking, wouldn't you be sentenced to more than a year in prison, not to be arrested in court, or to be sentenced to one year and six months in prison and suspended for three years? This is the majority theory.

[Anchor]
He predicted the sentence, but unlike the election law, in the case of perjury teacher charges, only a sentence of imprisonment or higher will deprive him of his right to run for election. The prosecution asked the court to sentence him to three years in prison. On the 15th, the Public Official Election Act demanded two years in prison, but the prosecution took it more seriously than this, right?

[Choi Chang Ryul]
He was sentenced to three years in prison. And when reviewing the warrant last year, Judge Yoo Chang-hoon rejected the warrant. After the arrest motion was approved by the National Assembly, he was reviewed for a warrant, and one of the things he said when he dismissed the warrant was that the suspicion of perjury teacher is cleared of charges. By dismissing the warrant. Of course, it's different when you dismiss or issue strict evidence, proof and warrants in a real trial. When dismissing or issuing a warrant, it is said that even if it is a probable explanation of the charge, it is explained. The trial is different. So, because what the judge said when he dismissed the warrant last year is that perjury teachers are explained, there is little evidence that they will be sentenced to prison tomorrow. In general, the trial and warrant examination are.

[Anchor]
That's what the Democratic Party is saying now.

[Choi Chang Ryul]
That's how you say it. But in general, the court said so last year, so of course, it is expected that there will be a prison sentence. Since the court has already said that the charges will be cleared when the warrant is reviewed, I think it will come out at tomorrow's trial. I'm introducing a different view. Each one's own argument is different. I don't know what sentencing the court will make tomorrow.In general, you saw Ma earlier.We saw the recording of the call. Objectively, tell me like this, isn't this a teacher? If you ask the Democratic Party of Korea's argument or representative Lee Jae-myung's argument to be told as it is, what is perjury? False testimony is perjury. We didn't force perjury. These are the arguments.

The question is how to accept this argument. In particular, when talking about it, did you know whether it was false or not when you were talking about the so-called teacher? Whether the teacher's intention is false or perceived. And whether the result of the trial has changed due to perjury by a witness at the time of Kim Jin-sung. What you said earlier. The outcome of the trial has changed, because it's a fact. How the court sees those parts will be the key to tomorrow's trial. There's probably almost a decision right now, but I can't predict it here. I don't know because I'm not even on the court. I think tomorrow will be a watershed moment not only for Lee Jae-myung but also for our Korean politics. Of course, it's not a Supreme Court decision. The Daejang-dong case began to appear in 2019, and the perjury teacher we talked about now has become an issue since 2002 and 22 years ago. You have to get out of it quickly. Until when will our politics be completely black-holeed in judicial matters like this? In order for the Democratic Party of Korea to become more like the Democratic Party of Korea and the Democratic Party's representative Lee Jae-myung, the court will make a decision quickly anyway, so there are many trials tomorrow and in the future. In any case, at least one or two presidential elections should be held at a time when the Supreme Court ruling is over. I don't know if I'll go ahead, but I'm telling you that.

[Anchor]
As you said, five trials are underway, and in the midst of this, Representative Lee Jae-myung and Gyeonggi Province Governor Kim Dong-yeon met a few days ago. Governor Kim Dong-yeon is called Shin 3 Kim along with former Prime Minister Kim Boo-kyum and former Governor Kim Kyung-soo. What is the meaning and symbolism of this meeting?

[Park Sang Kyu]
I think there is not only symbolism, but also a kind of meaning of presenting coordinates. Now, the term Jumyeong Yadong is popular in some political circles. It's Lee Jae-myung during the day, but it's Dong at night. At first, I thought the dong was a dong of agitation, but watching that meeting, it is being talked about as a joke that the dong is referring to the Dong Dong Dong, Governor Kim Dong-yeon. Kim Eo-jun said this on YouTube, but I paid attention to it, so I usually don't watch it. What was the remark? If the Supreme Court is earlier than the next presidential election, you know what I mean? Then Lee Jae-myung's hand will be the next president. That picture came out at that time. Who did the attention focus on? We have no choice but to focus on Gyeonggi Governor Kim Dong-yeon. He is the largest head of the local government and has various political and administrative experiences covering both the ruling and opposition parties. The fact that he showed such a friendly appearance itself, coupled with Kim Eo-jun's remarks, is causing a strange repercussion. As I said earlier, the number of people at the assembly has decreased significantly. From the next rally, we believe that the 2016 candlelight reenactment has gone beyond the scope of the rally. And the party with 172 seats left the opposition party and controlled the National Assembly says why it's cold to talk in the National Assembly, but they don't wear long padding. The prepared long padded jacket will hardly get dirty. Then, why go out and do that when there are so many issues in the National Assembly that people's livelihoods are difficult and budgeted, we can't see anything. The outdoor rally is... It's exclusive to the minority party.

A party with fewer than 10 weak members goes out and appeals to the people. What are you doing? It's like this. In this regard, the market meeting and contact between representative Lee Jae-myung and Governor Kim Dong-yeon have many meanings. Of course, tomorrow's first trial doesn't decide everything. I agree with you. However, the atmosphere is forming that the 633 mentioned by Chief Justice Cho Hee-dae is no longer a recommendation and is something that judges deserve to follow. 633 will be established only when the results of the second trial of at least two trials before March 1 next year and the Supreme Court ruling by June tomorrow. By June next year, we need to quickly tell CEO Lee Jae-myung whether he is guilty or not. I personally believe that the structure of the next presidential election should be clarified then.

[Anchor]
Both of you organized it like that, saying you have to stop shaking it off. We will see the results of the first trial sentencing of CEO Lee Jae-myung tomorrow. Although these judicial risks are obviously bad news for the Democratic Party, the ruling party's support has not risen significantly. What's the reason?

[Choi Chang Ryul]
The ruling party has gotten weird lately. The conflict between the ruling party's representative and the president seems to be reaching a critical point, but the people's power changes due to the judicial risk of Lee Jae-myung that we talked about. Things have changed. The ruling party's approval rating is also rising. Last week, Gallup remained at 20%, the same as last week. Other surveys have shown that the president's approval rating has increased. The power of the people has changed, and what representative Han Dong-hoon said was related to First Lady Kim Gun-hee, and it was from the perspective of the people. But we're talking about that now. I'm talking about the special inspector, but the special inspector doesn't seem to touch anyone. The special inspector should investigate the president in the future, such as relatives around the president. I'm not talking about what happened in the past. Kim Gun-hee, the special prosecutor's office, and such things. However, there are parts that seem to have a special inspector and covered the special prosecutor. There is also a controversy over the party bulletin board recently, but I don't think it's essential. In any case, the ruling party is enjoying the fun of slang as a reflection of the opposition's judicial risk. The limit is so clear.

The Democratic Party of Korea believes that the judicial risk of the party leader is in a very crisis, and even if it is not, Kim Gun-hee, the special prosecutor, sees this as a separate matter. However, if Kim Gun-hee, the independent counsel, believes that it can be covered by Lee Jae-myung's judicial risk, there is no such big obfuscation. But I can see some signs of that. CEO Han Dong-hoon saw through the issue most accurately and clearly. That's why CEO Han Dong-hoon came all the way up there despite his short political career. CEO Han Dong-hoon's behavior these days is disappointing. Why can't you hit it like this? And apart from the ruling and opposition parties, isn't this Korean politics completely bogged down? The ruling party has been talking about a cabinet reshuffle, and it will take some time to do so. It's the same as saying that I won't reform it. When the passport becomes like this, the situation changes again. Does the opposition party only have representative Lee Jae-myung? That's why I say that the current behavior of the passport is very disappointing.

[Anchor]
As you said, one big bad news broke out for representative Han Dong-hoon at a time when the ruling party did not enjoy much reflective profits. It is suspected that the slanderous writings of President Yoon and his wife, who mentioned
, were written in the name of Han's family, but it is said that they have investigated more than 1,000 posts posted in the name of Han Dong-hoon's family.

[Park Sang Kyu]
As a result of a total survey, only 12 were reported to be serious. What's important is that there is growing talk that CEO Han Dong-hoon is not like Han.

[Anchor]
Are you saying that Han Dong-hoon, who was born in 1973, never wrote anything?

[Park Sang Kyu]
The important thing is that the people should answer not only that part, but also whether or not one of the representative's family members wrote this article. The content is important, not important, but the representative Han himself knows best whether he has ever said that, whether he checks his family members or holds a family meeting. However, representative Han is almost silent and saying let's wait and see the results of the investigation. It is said that this is not like a representative. What's wrong? Isn't there something among your aides? That's what I'm saying. Han has become a star thanks to fairness, common sense, and a sharp and thorough investigation of politicians, including Lee Jae-myung, the leader of the opposition party. By the way, your family includes a lot of your in-laws, but do you have or don't you have them?

Why can't I give you an immediate answer about it? Why do we have to wait for the investigation? such a thing keeps raising suspicions Why are you raising suspicions unnecessarily? They think there's a problem with raising suspicions. Kim Jae Won, the supreme council member of the people's power, also said that.Ma is taking this to the judicial question, the internal party question. Politically, it can be solved. Public sentiment and public opinion are asking representative Han Dong-hoon to answer the question of why the 108-seat ruling party cannot solve the problem politically, as who was a prosecutor or a former Justice Department member. Representative Han points his finger at the investigative agency and waits. There's also this behind the scenes. Wouldn't one representative know better than anyone else that a search and seizure warrant will not be issued? We also need a clear answer to that.

[Anchor]
You said it was a reaction that was not like CEO Han Dong-hoon, who became a star through sharp questioning. Let's hear that unrepresentative remark. Who wrote this. CEO Han Dong-hoon will continue to respond vaguely. Do you see it?

[Choi Chang Ryul]
Over there. In principle, CEO Han Dong-hoon is right about that issue. Even if the party bulletin board guarantees anonymity and slandered the president and his wife, there is no reason to find out. Anyway, that became a key issue for the people's power, the ruling party, and the ruling party. I thought it would completely disappear after a few days, but it's getting amplified.
Then we can't ignore the issue. Politics is a reality. If so, CEO Han Dong-hoon is not the only one who talks in principle like that. Behind that, there is a conflict between Chin-yoon and Chin-han. That is the nature of this matter.
If the sugar was united, it wouldn't be there. As CEO Han Dong-hoon said, even if CEO Han Dong-hoon wrote it. If you're all close and like the Democratic Party, would you make that a problem? I'm sure it's gone. Chin-yoon is taking issue with that as if she's been waiting. That's the essence.

The problem is that the conflict between pro-Yoon and pro-Korea has subsided and the conflict between the president and the ruling party leader seems to be managed, so Han Dong-hoon should accurately recognize it as a conflict between pro-Yoon and pro-Korea and the lack of leadership that the party leader cannot manage this part. I don't know if it'll be revealed later, but I'm telling you who wrote it.Ma should just say that Han Dong-hoon is not the CEO right away, as former CEO Kim Ki-hyun said. What's wrong? You're right, but what do you mean? Don't you want to find out that Han Dong-hoon's family wrote it? That is the last essence at stake in this matter. Then you have to manage Han Dong-hoon. Then you don't have to say that. Are you investigating something like that? It's a matter within the party. Kim Jae-won, the supreme council member, seems to have said it to put CEO Han Dong-hoon in a corner. What you're saying is true. Why are you taking the issue within the party to the investigation? Even if it's not my intention. CEO Han Dong-hoon, if your family did that, you can apologize. What would you do? It turned out that he didn't do it. You're dragging that for too long. That's what CEO Han Dong-hoon is looking forward to.Many people, including Ma's passport supporters and the middle class, are looking forward to it, but this problem arises. We talked about the special prosecutor earlier. Is it called CEO Han Dong-hoon's Sangjongga because it's piled up? Sangha. That can go down. I think I can understand why CEO Han Dong-hoon or his close friend's behavior is like that, but it's not very political.

[Anchor]
As representative Han's silence is prolonged, various analyses are coming out. There are rumors behind it. There are also conspiracy theories such as why the real name came out on the anonymous bulletin board and whether it is behind it.

[Park Sang Kyu]
So, on the bulletin board, which was originally based on anonymity, there is a great principle of a democratic country that anyone should be able to talk freely, but one day, the curtain suddenly came off, and who took it off, to put it simply. That's the substance of the conspiracy theory. Is this a conspiracy or what's behind it? If the back comes out, the back comes out, and the word dark comes out, it's not good. You have to take everything out of the sun and dry it in the sun. I don't understand why they keep driving this issue to the dark side when haystacks are also dried in the sun. I'm not driving it, but that's what happened. Once again, the president's approval rating did not respond compared to Lee Jae-myung's judicial risk. The reason why the ruling party's approval rating is so slow is that it has rebounded from the crisis. The support, TK, and PK of people in their 70s should not be like this, but it's good that they did it. The president's office has nothing to show. He came back from his tour, but public opinion is not responding based on diplomatic achievements alone.

So, whether it's greetings or innovations, it's time for the people to show what's in their hands. What's wrong with CEO Han Dong-hoon? If the other person is in crisis and wanders, he should lead the attack here, but the aspect of war should not be compared to war.Ma doesn't necessarily mean that we win just because the other person passes. If you score, that is, from the power of the people, you are not scoring properly from the power of the people. I think the game is entering an unknown phase again.

[Anchor]
Although it rebounded slightly, you told me about the sluggish approval rating, but the time for a cabinet reshuffle is approaching. But the president's office needs a considerable amount of physical time. What is the president's office considering?

[Choi Chang Ryul]
He said he would reshuffle the Cabinet, but organize the so-called First Lady Kim Gun-hee line, which is what Han Dong-hoon, CEO of the party, said earlier. But what changed after that was the plan

[Anchor]
Aren't you saying that the two of you are done?

[Choi Chang Ryul]
If you had a drinking problem, quit. I quit. It's the last name of the two rivers. Anyway, it was officially expressed that the reshuffle would be delayed. There's a timing to everything. Why are you reshuffling the cabinet so late? Of course, it will take time for various verification, such as narrow talent pool. However, there is an official need for time for the cabinet reshuffle, and it seems that it will be a little late. The ruling party can't even talk about the special prosecution, so it's also about the special prosecution. The public said they would also do a special inspector, but that's also slow. I'm just leaving because I'm buried in the judicial risk of representative Lee Jae-myung, a Korean politician. I think the ruling party is glistening for a moment. In other words, it's almost like the shipwreck tilts and then comes back to life a little bit. That way, the approval rating has not increased much, and the stance does not seem to have changed. I think that's reflected because Kim Gun-hee didn't perform it this time. The president's apology was also partly influenced by conservatives. If you do that, the opposition party can always survive. As I said earlier, Lee Jae-myung is not the only leader in the opposition party. There's Governor Kim Dong-yeon. I think the ruling party, the ruling party, is what the people are pointing out now. Why the approval rating has fallen so low and there is still a considerable lack of reflection on these areas. The cabinet reshuffle should not be delayed. We need to hurry up. How long will it last? How many ministers are old. There are many problematic ministers, including the Minister of Health and Welfare, the Minister of Public Administration and Security, and the Prime Minister, so why is it so late?

[Anchor]
You pointed out that the timing of the reshuffle is important. The most interesting thing is the reshuffle of the prime minister, which cannot be achieved without the cooperation of the opposition party. Who's on the list?

[Park Sang Kyu]
Many of you are talking about the Hamapyeong in the media, the Joseon Dynasty. It's about getting off the horse, but I don't think it's like that. If you change the prime minister, it will be a symbol of the atmosphere. Prime Minister Han Deok-soo did as much as he could. In fact, it was mentioned as a replacement after the last general election, but it was delayed due to the consent of the National Assembly, and there is a saying that Prime Minister Han Deok-soo, who has emptied his mind since then, is doing very well and has scored points. At the same time, several names are being mentioned regardless of Joo Ho-young, Kwon Young-se, and his intention, while the names of former lawmaker Lee Jung-hyun are also being mentioned.

The problem is, whether it's the minister, the prime minister, or the presidential office in Yongsan, I think we should impress the people. I don't think the people's hearts will move without the inclusion of a person who can use such a person. As the intersection of people who are good to use, people who can be verified, and people who are mine keeps decreasing, I fall into the logic that there is no one to use. If you say hello like that, this approval rating cannot turn around now. There is a 35:55 ratio. This is a lot to talk about in politics, but it is one of the major principles that if the ruling party's approval rating does not exceed 35% in the year before the presidential election, it will not be re-created. There is a long way to go to 35 percent. However, we do have time. If Son Heung-min is sluggish after just entering the second half, another player should be put in. That's how I see it.

[Anchor]
We'll see if we can recover the 35% approval rating. So far, we have looked at politics with Choi Chang-ryul, a special professor at Yongin University, and Park Sang-gyu, a current affairs critic. Thank you.