[News Fighting] Han Min-soo said, "The revision of the election law is a matter of agreement between the ruling and opposition parties..."I don't know because I'm out of the blue".

[YTN Radio News Fighting Bae Seunghee]
□ Broadcasting: FM 94.5 (07:15 - 09:00)
□ Broadcast date and time: November 27, 2024 (Wednesday)
□ Host: Attorney Bae Seung-hee
□ Starter: Minsoo Han, Democratic Party of Korea member

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◆ Attorney Bae Seung-hee (hereinafter referred to as Bae Seung-hee): I'm Bae Seung-hee from News Fighting. Let's start the second part of the issue interview. CEO Lee Jae-myung was acquitted in the first trial of perjury and passed the second crisis. But I don't think I can be relieved yet. In this regard, we invited Representative Han Min-soo to Gangbuk, Seoul, where he is a spokesperson for the Democratic Party of Korea. Hello,

◇ Rep. Han Min-soo of the Democratic Party of Korea (hereinafter referred to as Han Min-soo): This is Han Min-soo.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: Why didn't you say you were a spokesperson?

◇ Han Min-soo: You have to get used to it. It snowed a lot on the way here. There's more traffic than usual.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: Shouldn't you say something to the people in Gangbuk?

◇ Han Min-soo: That's right. Actually, it snowed a lot when I came out, and the people in our area should be careful of that snow. Especially the elderly, you should be very careful today.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: On the day of Lee Jae-myung's perjury teacher election, Lee Jae-myung said, "Don't come out." The lawmaker went out a lot, and the spokesperson also left. What do you think? Gentleman?

◇Han Min-soo: The first trial ruling of the Public Official Election Act, especially on the 15th, was really unexpected. Even a leading conservative commentator posted it on his SNS that it was a wrong ruling, so no media predicted it and I was a little surprised as much as I did, and of course, I think it will be corrected to innocence in the second trial.That's why the CEO told me not to come so that I don't get in trouble with my legislation. You did it in front of us, but what would I have done? I was really desperate, and I'm sure I'm not guilty of perjury on the 25th, but I'm going to go to the site and wait because I get such a wrong ruling during the Public Official Election Act. I was really desperate and I was so happy that it came out well.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: I see. But CEO Lee Jae-myung's expression is... He was seen smiling as he entered the courtroom. Would he have expected that?

◇ Han Min-soo: You couldn't have done that. Because the CEO is not someone who makes predictions that easily. Is there anything he can't be confident about? The position of our party is clear, as is the Public Official Election Act and the perjury teachers and representatives. The representative is always confident because this is a forced prosecution, a coordination by political prosecutors, and an investigation to remove political oppression.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: I'm confident. Isn't Judge Kim Dong-yeop, who was in charge of the first trial of perjury teacher, with the case of Daejang-dong in the same court now? Is that so?

◇ Han Min-soo: How do I know that? Members of the National Assembly don't know what judges are in the trial. It's something that lawyers know.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: Anyway, do you expect the rest of the judgment trials to be innocent?

◇ Han Min-soo: We, too, are sure of our innocence and expectation. In the end, since the judgment is made by the judges, we have to make a proper defense and refute what the prosecution is doing politically, and wait and see.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: Regarding perjury teachers, Joo Jin-woo, a member of the People's Power, is likely to be overturned in the second trial. How do you feel about claiming that you're guilty?

◇ Han Min-soo: This person is close and used to be a prosecutor. a former prosecutor in the Yoon Suk Yeol regime Wouldn't it look like that to everyone who was a prosecutor? I don't think it's worth answering.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: It's not worth taking. This time in the Democratic Party. Didn't you decide to report to the National Assembly on the 2nd day of the prosecution's impeachment and process it on the 4th?

◇ Han Min-soo: As far as I know, it was agreed yesterday at a meeting of floor leaders presided over by the speaker of the National Assembly.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: However, yesterday, the command of the Seoul Central District Prosecutors' Office, the deputy chief prosecutor, and all the senior prosecutors issued a statement opposing it. What do you think?

◇ Han Min-soo: I don't like it. Of course. You can't do that. Because some government organization in Korea now seems to think that the prosecution is above extraterritorial rights or laws. Prosecutors, listen up. The Public Prosecutor's Office is just one of the executive agencies. It's one of the guests. If you are guilty or accused, you should be punished accordingly. Who are they and which organization is the Ministry of Foreign Affairs? Is that the case with the Ministry of Economy and Finance? Or is it the Ministry of Commerce and Industry? Do suspected civil servants burn and mutiny in groups? At least it's a sense of privilege. It's a sense of privilege. We think that someone will touch us because of our sense of privilege, but with that determination, please do the power investigation that is alive in the current administration, just like First Lady Kim Gun-hee. People who can't talk about things like that come out when they're proud and even if they're impeached, they don't investigate anything. Prosecutors, how many times have we done an inspection or inspection by the opposition in politicians and civic groups? Even if you face all kinds of charges? What should I do then? Still, in order for the National Assembly not to abandon its duties, doesn't it go through impeachment procedures according to the role given by the people? So, according to the due process there, if you are not guilty, you should work again, and if you are guilty, you should be punished. I raised my voice and it's because it's so pathetic. Are prosecutors confident that if they pass the bar exam or something like that, they will spend their entire lives boasting and reigning over the people and the common people? Is that fair? It's right to be punished for what's wrong.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: However, in this regard, Lee Chang-soo, the chief of the Seoul Central District Prosecutors' Office, Cho Sang-won, the fourth deputy chief of the Seoul Central District Prosecutors' Office, and Choi Jae-hoon, the second deputy chief of the anti-corruption investigation, will be impeached in connection with the indictment of Kim Gun-hee's stock price manipulation case. In this regard, these prosecutors think that they are trying to impeach the investigation just because they don't like it.

◇Han Min-soo: I don't really use four-character idioms, but there's a saying that it's a military resident. The monarch also said that if the monarch is a ship, the people are water. This means that if the president goes against the will of the people, it is a reasonable causal retribution. You'll pay for it. By the way, how many people do you think the investigation into Kim Gun-hee, the alleged manipulation of Deutsche Motors' stock price, has been done properly, regardless of whether they are prosecutors or Sue at the Seoul Central District Prosecutors' Office? If you're responsible for that, you should be responsible.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: As you said, I thought the plenary session of the Special Prosecutor Act was originally announced on the 28th regarding Kim Gun-hee. They changed the date again. Is there a reason why you changed it to the 10th?

◇ Han Min-soo: Rather than changing it, many media outlets and some people now vetoed it yesterday. The plenary session was scheduled on the 28th because of the veto. So, we re-vote whether it will be processed that day. However, as I said earlier yesterday, it was agreed to be held on the 10th at a meeting of floor leaders presided over by the speaker of the National Assembly. So, we will vote again on the 10th. For this occasion, President Yoon Suk Yeol is the third president in our history to reject or avoid any special prosecution or investigation related to any allegations of himself or his family. Then, aren't the members of the People's Power the people who have their own local constituencies against the people? I'm sure you know what the local people think. But since the veto president wrote this, he wants us to throw it out again. Can you do politics then? Can the People's Power survive? I don't think I can do it.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: But some say that the postponement to the 10th may be aimed at voting for a departure amid the current situation in the ruling party.

◇ Han Min-soo: It's not like a breakaway vote. There may be some votes of conscience.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: How many votes do you expect?

◇ Han Min-soo: It's not easy. It's not easy, but last time, the Marine Special Prosecutor Act broke away with about four votes, but looking at many things now, I think that even within the power of the people, if we go like this, the entire conservative force could be destroyed. Why are you saying you can't do the special prosecution? Who in history has rejected the independent counsel like this? Don't you have to get it and investigate it? If you're that proud, shouldn't you be investigated? And if you are cleared of the charges, you will really have a driving force in state affairs. Otherwise, if Mrs. Kim Gun-hee or anyone, including President Moon, is suspected of intervening in the nomination of candidates for the manipulation of state affairs, you can receive reasonable punishment for that. Isn't it so? I think that's how conservative forces can find a way out.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: So how many votes do you expect for the ruling party's departure? How many votes of conscience?

◇ Han Min-soo: I think I have quite a lot.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: Last time was 4 votes, what about this time?

◇ Han Min-soo: I think there will be more. To put it simply, if I hear something like this, there's a vote of conscience.Even if you go, you can cringe a little bit.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: But please make a prediction.

◇ Han Min-soo: I'm cautious.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: More than 8 votes?

◇ Han Min-soo: I think something can come out.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: Really? I think the center of the controversy is the controversy over the party's bulletin board. I think you have a lot to say, but starting with the mother-in-law of CEO Han Dong-hoon's family, all of them have been posted on the bulletin board every seven minutes in the name of their family members. It's even being reported like this. What do you think of the controversy over the bulletin board of this party?

◇Han Min-soo: I think I'm in a swamp where CEO Han Dong-hoon can't get out easily. That's right. I wonder what kind of disclosure would have been better at first, but I'm sure you were very worried. CEO Han Dong-hoon and the people around him said, "What kind of frame is this?" Is it only yesterday? He said he would bring down the party leader and compete head-on, but the essence is that if I look at Jang Ye-chan's claims and look at the contents of the related materials, I'm trying to blur the essence, but it won't be easy.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: CEO Han Dong-hoon is blurring the essence?

◇Han Min-soo: Now it's an anonymous bulletin board. It's an anonymous bulletin board. Of course, even the country can swear anonymously, so can't you swear at the president or the first lady? I'm trying to approach it, but I don't think that's the case. Rather than that, as Jang Ye-chan and others claim, if the lawyer Jin criticizes the president in the name of his daughter, mother, father, and mother-in-law, and the woman criticizes him. It's not that criticism is the problem, but it's manipulation of public opinion on the bulletin board of the party members to change public opinion. In that way, one person did it systematically. Isn't it a serious crime to steal someone else's ID and borrow it? So, I think this will directly affect the political life of representative Han Dong-hoon, depending on what kind of results the police will have.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: Due to the controversy over the bulletin board of the party. There was a controversy at the Supreme Council of the ruling party. CEO Han Dong-hoon immediately protested. There are even talks about shouting with former Supreme Council member Kim Min, so what do you think of the controversy within the party?

◇Han Min-soo: First, I was a little embarrassed as a person of the people, not a real Democratic Party spokesperson or a Democratic National Assembly member. It's embarrassing. After that, CEO Han Dong-hoon now attacks Lee Jae-myung if he has nothing to say, but he has already come up with a Group 2 referee. You lost in the general election. Aren't you in charge of the election? He's the leader of the party again, but then it's a failed frame and a failed attack. I'll have to find something else. You keep saying things that you have no sympathy with the people because you have nothing to do, and is this the time for the party leader and the supreme council member in the ruling party to fight in front of the people while raising their voices like that? How difficult is the people's livelihood and the economy? Diplomatic security is also serious. The people are anxious, but it is not right to do so in such a situation because they are afraid of starting a war. The second was a little light in terms of the party leader's behavior.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: Yes. When lawmaker Yang Moon-seok introduced a special investigation into the allegation of Han Dong-hoon's comment team, he claimed that there was a comment team when he was the Minister of Justice. If the allegation is true, it is a damage to democracy by abusing state power. How.

◇Han Min-soo: If it's true, as Representative Yang said, it could be an act of disorderly national flag. It's a serious crime. And what you said has already popped up once during the last national convention. It happened, but at that time, representative Han was quiet due to the popularity theory. I see him as a living ember, too. So, the controversy over the party's bulletin board this time could be serious without me seeing it as a single case, depending on whether or not the investigation agency investigates it, people who were in various passports have argued. CEO Han Dong-hoon raised suspicions about the comment team, saying, "Didn't you run this when you were the attorney general?" But clearly, I don't think that's a calling in my memory. In such a situation, even the allegation that he denied the allegation on the party's bulletin board is being made in detail now, and depending on how far the police investigate, it may go as far as lawmaker Yang Moon-seok says.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: Then shall we introduce this as a special prosecutor?

◇ Han Min-soo: Because the police are investigating first. If you watch what the ruling party is doing and you actually plan what kind of conspiracy it is that goes beyond the posts of family members on the party's bulletin board, shouldn't this be raised within the ruling party as well?

◆ Bae Seung-hee: That's right. I see. I'll watch the investigation. That's what you're talking about.

◇Han Min-soo: And looking at how CEO Han does it, it seems like the order is to cover yourself first instead of attacking CEO Lee Jae-myung unnecessarily.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: Okay. The Democratic Party of Korea has proposed an amendment to the Public Official Election Act. Under this election law, the announcement of false information should be deleted and the standard for invalid election should be changed from the current 1 million won to 10 million won. Representative Lee Jae-myung was guilty again in the first trial...

◇ Han Min-soo: But I'm sorry that this caused some misunderstanding and amplified the misunderstanding, and now I think I'm criticizing the People's Power Party and CEO Han Dong-hoon too much today. To Han Dong-hoon's supporters, Han fanned it again. But it's actually different. Rep. Park Hee-seung, who proposed the bill, was a judge. However, since this person handles a lot of the Public Official Election Act as a judge, the fine rule of 1 million won seems to have been invalidated for about 20 years. So it doesn't fit the reality. It is correct to revise this, and this is not just the idea of Rep. Park Hee-seung of the Democratic Party, but in 2010, the Democratic Party and the Grand National Party, the predecessor of the people's power, agreed at the special committee on political reform. We agreed to raise 1 million won to 3 million won, and all the ruling and opposition lawmakers and members of the People's Power have already proposed a lot. I've done it a lot before, and I'm not going to refer to the law as anyone who's not active yet.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: Who is it?

◇ Han Min-soo: Isn't it? There's also a floor leader. I don't think you know.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: You're talking about CEO Han Dong-hoon.

◇Han Min-soo: The Ministry of Legislation and the National Assembly should all receive this law from the Legislation Office. Since all of these procedures are followed to see if the law is unconstitutional, it makes no sense for Rep. Park Hee-seung to predict that the Public Official Election Act will come out wrong over something about representative Lee Jae-myung. This is a really coincidental situation, and you have to know this exactly.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: Let me ask you a few more questions.

◇ Han Min-soo: I'll tell you about Article 250.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: That's it. That's it. Yes, the crime of publicizing false information.

◇ Han Min-soo: Please consider it. Rep. Park Hee-seung has already announced his position. Looking at that position, too.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: But when it comes to deleting the crime of publicizing false information.

◇ Han Min-soo: I'm trying to tell you that. I think you're misunderstanding, but it's the crime of publicizing false information under the Public Official Election Act, and there's a supplementary provision. I made a stand. They said it doesn't apply to those who have been penalized for this before.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: That's why you're going to make false information public, right? If you delete it in the election law.

◇ Han Min-soo: What I'm telling you is that there is no prohibition clause, so it's now clear that this has nothing to do with CEO Lee Jae-myung. Second, I think we need to see if we tolerate false information. In the case of the United States, as you know at all, there is no crime of publicizing false information. However, the revision of the Public Official Election Act itself has been controversial because of the trial of Lee Jae-myung, but so far, both the ruling and opposition parties, academia, and experts have improved in that direction. What it is is is that money is asked and words are unwrapped, so we go toward guaranteeing freedom of expression. That's why.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: False facts can't be seen as freedom of expression.

◇ Han Min-soo: We have to look at that range. As you said, if it is clearly proven to be false as lawyer Bae said, of course, there is a punishment clause in our criminal law. You know it well because there is already a punishment clause. So, even if you are excluded from the Public Official Election Act, you are a lawyer, so of course, there will be no problem with the criminal law punishment clause, and I think I told you the other day, but like the representative of the Public Official Election Act, like Lee Jae-myung, he has been on trial for 10 years for publicizing false information. When I investigated with our party, it was either innocent or fined. There was only one prison sentence. Yes, that's a very serious public information. I wrote false information on it, and the plus person made a donation. Of course, that's bound to be a prison sentence.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: But lawmaker Jung Sung-ho said this again. We should not unilaterally push for the revision of the election law just because Lee Jae-myung is guilty.

◇ Han Min-soo: I fully understand what that is. This is because there is no relationship between the purpose that Rep. Park Hee-seung proposed and the purpose I mentioned. However, since this has emerged as a political issue, I think the ruling-opposition agreement takes precedence because the election law is a rule of a certain election. I understand that you said that in that respect.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: I won't push hard Are you talking about this?

◇ Han Min-soo: This is not even the party's theory of the Public Official Election Act yet. It's not at that stage because it's still an individual bill.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: Yes. Also, is this an interview with the media that Lee Nak-yeon did? The Democratic Party of Korea is abnormal no matter how many times it looks at a joint meeting of former lawmakers. He said that even if he changed the party leader, he should have changed it several times. What do you think?

◇Han Min-soo: Representative Lee Nak-yeon is a senior in the media and has been a big political asset and leader in the Democratic Party in his own way. I participated, but you just left the party. What does a person who left because he didn't like the Democratic Party need to take him there? That's because CEO Lee Nak-yeon is free to say. But I can't agree with the content at all.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: I can't agree on the content. I'm sorry. And is there a weekend rally this time?

◇ Han Min-soo: It's not our Democratic Party rally. As you know, if we hold a rally like the 23rd, organized by civic groups, I think our party members, lawmakers, and those who want to join us naturally.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: Yes. But he banned that blue outfit and CEO Lee Jae-myung doesn't even hold a microphone.

◇ Han Min-soo: No, it's organized by a civic group. Even if the CEO just coughs or says anything else, the People's Power Party criticizes it because it's politically interpreted and criticizes people's livelihoods, but I don't know what the CEO says when he goes to a civic group. I don't know if you'll do it this week or not, but if you do, there's a ruling on it, and there will be people who interpret it excessively politically. That's why I'm thinking that you didn't do it, and I don't know about the ban. I don't think there was a ban, but I think there was something like that. Because if we dye it too blue, from the perspective of the general public and civic groups, this is a meeting organized by us, and I think we do it voluntarily because we think it might have such an effect on the participation of many citizens.

◆ Bae Seung-hee: I see. I see. Thank you for talking with me today. It's already over. That's all for today. So far, I have been with Han Min-soo, a member of the Democratic Party of Korea in Gangbuk, Seoul. Thank you.

◇ Han Min-soo: Thank you. Thank you.