[News NIGHT] Seizure of the People's Power Party...Minjoo Attacks 'Impeachment of Prosecutors'

■ Host: anchor Sung Moon-gyu
■ Starring: former Saenuri Party lawmaker Chung Ok-im, former Democratic Party lawmaker Shin Kyung-min


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[Anchor]
It's a focus night time to point out the news of political interest. Today, former Saenuri Party lawmaker Chung Ok-im and former Democratic Party lawmaker Shin Kyung-min came out. How are you? The prosecution raided the People's Power Party and the National Assembly Hall today in connection with the suspicion of Myung Tae-kyun's intervention in the nomination. It's quite unusual to raid the headquarters of the ruling party, isn't it?

[Nice]
It's not the first time it's happened. However, despite the fact that it was unusual, he responded fairly calmly and cooperatively in terms of the power of the people. Don't you usually push back? So there are some people who wonder about that. I think three interpretations are possible regarding the seizure and search. Since it was so calm and cooperative, wasn't this promised, including the opposition party? For example, we have already discarded the data we want to confiscate. Since the position of internal confidentiality is the people's power, there are actually data they are trying to confiscate regarding seven things, and they are skeptical about whether satisfactory security has been achieved. Another interpretation is that it is related to the 2022 local election by-elections, isn't it? As a result, there is a view that it is targeting Rep. Lee Joon-seok, who was the representative at the time. Another thing is that prosecutors are doing better than we think. Rather, the prosecution's willingness to find out the truth of this case in relation to the case of Myung Tae-kyun is firm. That's why there are voices of cautious optimism that they will dig into the truth with autonomy. I think we'll have to wait and see what the results come out. Isn't it evidence that's important? However, while the golden phone of a person named Myung Tae-kyun has not yet been secured, we only see if meaningful facts have been secured through such search and seizure.

[Anchor]
Lawmaker Chung focused on the atmosphere of today's raid, the calm and cooperative atmosphere, and the atmosphere.

[nervous]
But I'm not necessarily talking about this case, but I'll generally tell you about the nomination. I was also a candidate for the nomination, but I have nominated as a supreme council member, and as a spokesperson, I have been involved in general elections and local elections from beginning to end. In fact, there are a lot of elements in the nomination process. It says "ball". But in reality, there are a lot of people who read it as a ball and understand it as a buy. And there's actually an element of the Four Thousand. However, it does not record the elements of Sichuan. First of all, there's no record. There's no record in the first place. And after the nomination is actually over, very formal data related to the nomination. So, we leave a very brief and formal data about how someone applied for the nomination and how this happened, and immediately discard the rest.

[Anchor]
What Supreme Council member Kim Jae-won said today is true, regardless of whether it's eighty or eighty.

[nervous]
It's similar to any party. That's why the data is poor in the first place, and all of the data that are very important are eliminated except for formal data. That's why someone has already seen me being this relaxed. Moreover, since it's data from 2022, it's not more than two years old. It's because the prosecution is coming in when the screen is already over, saying, "I've been looking at the data." It's probably this kind of atmosphere. And if there's a really sensitive nomination, I've seen this a few times, and there's a heated debate at the nomination review committee or the Supreme Council. If the nomination management committee doesn't work, it may be handed over to the Supreme Council. Then even the Supreme Council doesn't come to a conclusion and fights. Then there's a way to do this. The CEO says this. You said it all, right? Now you have to register tomorrow. We don't have time, so please leave it to the CEO. Thank you for all the comments. Like this, I asked the CEO to leave it to me, but I can't, but not many people have the guts to discuss this and end it. So if you go like this, the debate has been going on for a lot of hours, but what's actually decided is just the representative's decision at the end. That's why there's no such thing left in the data. So I'll probably have no choice but to relax.

[Anchor]
It is said that today's search and seizure of the people's power included screening data related to nominations of seven people, including former lawmaker Kim Young-sun, Gyeongnam Governor Park Wan-soo, and Gangwon-do Governor Kim Jin-tae. I think the investigation will expand, how do you see it?

[Nice]
It is interpreted that the prosecution is investigating now with a will because of this. In particular, in the case of former lawmaker Kim Young-sun, there was also a phone call between the president and Myung Tae-kyun. I'm trying to do it, but there's a lot of talk. I wonder what he said. Will it be recorded? Because in the process of nomination, some candidates move on to the primary, and some candidates receive single nominations for strategic nominations. In such a situation, as you said, even if there is a heated debate in the minutes, it is not that there is a transcript without leaving such details in the minutes, but who were the mission members and there must be a heated debate, so somehow, it was decided as a strategic nomination. Or it's going to be like this with a primary. However, I would be a little curious if I was in charge of the investigation, whether the commissioners really talked a lot at the top of the party or whether they were in the minutes.

[Anchor]
But are there any such materials left? Both of you were skeptical about that.

[nervous]
There won't be any such data left.

[Nice]
I've already discarded it, shredded it.

[nervous]
There is no such data left in the first place. It's already been discarded even if there is. So I would have looked into 7 people now and 7 to 8 former lawmaker Kim Young-sun, but the prosecution would have looked at the data by now, but they must have been looking at very disappointing data.

[Anchor]
The seven are mainly known to be the parliamentary by-elections and local elections in June 2022, and the recent controversy has raised suspicions that Seoul Mayor Oh Se-hoon paid poll costs to Myung Tae-kyun to Mayor Oh Se-hoon's sponsor during the 2021 by-elections, but I don't know if the investigation will unfold to this point.

[nervous]
I'm sure we can't help but investigate. But this is the flow of money, so there must be data on this. It's not kept by political parties because it's financial data. So there's data on this. Now, Mayor Oh Se-hoon continues to make various excuses and officially talk to the media and cut it off.

[Anchor]
I never asked for or received a poll.

[nervous]
Right. But you can't cut the flow of money. Moreover, the name of the person who sent the money is coming out. And the person who sent the money also showed a movement to appease Kang Hye-kyung, and since Kang Hye-kyung has already talked about it, I think Mayor Oh Se-hoon will have to go as far as to be summoned by the prosecution because there is evidence that the flow of money and this movement of conciliation cannot be moved. This is a very political crisis for Mayor Oh Se-hoon because the gesture to cut off now can go to a stage where it becomes meaningless.

[Anchor]
Not only Mayor Oh Se-hoon but also former emergency committee chairman Kim Jong-in is known to have paid 33 million won for the poll to Myung Tae-kyun and delivered the results to former emergency committee chairman Kim Jong-in, who acknowledged it.

[Nice]
I'm talking about the contents of the poll. So, in the case of Chairman Kim Jong-in, I don't know if he thought Chairman Kim Jong-in was his political father, but Chairman Kim Jong-in seemed to have a slightly different perception. But in an interview with a broadcaster today, he forgot all about the poll, but when I asked his secretary at the time, he said he put the poll on my desk. He said that. But the people who see or hear the truth interpret it as they think. That's why I told you today that the results of the poll were on the desk anyway. But he's busy, so he didn't care. And in the case of Mayor Oh Se-hoon, he said that he saw a person named Myung Tae-kyun twice, but then he hung up, and that he was a supporter, as if he had not had a very deep relationship with Kim Han-jeong. There is another recording of Kim Han-jung and Kang Hye-kyung talking on the phone on YouTube. But if you look at the content, how will those who listen to it interpret it? Because Kim Han-jung, of course, doesn't know if he's talking without being aware of it, but the person who introduced pollack to him is Mayor Oh Se-hoon. At the same time, the media on the left side of the so-called ideology says that they knew what would happen in the future and had a conversation that could be interpreted as if they had made a series of alibis. The important thing is that the parties say no, so I think it's too early for us to jump to a conclusion after hearing only the third party's story.

[Anchor]
How far will the prosecution's investigation go? Mayor Oh Se-hoon and former Chairman Kim Jong-in, if we have a by-election in Seoul in 2021, we should keep an eye on them because they are all names in them. Let's talk about the party bulletin board. The controversy over the People's Power Party bulletin board has not subsided even though the party's full investigation results have been revealed. Let's hear the positions of both close and close.

[Shin Ji-ho / Minister of Strategic Planning for People's Power (Channel A 'Political Signal') : We have investigated 1,068 posts that are problematic in the party. I made a presentation about that. People who said "reveal the truth" change their words. I can't believe it. It's a distorted bulletproof investigation, and it's a distorted bulletproof investigation in favor of CEO Han Dong-hoon.... There are people who claim that it's a water-boarding survey for Han Dong-hoon. Choose two representative players there. So-called Chin-yoon, there. So let's verify whether the total investigation was done properly. ]

[Kim Jae-won / Supreme Council member of the People's Power (YTN 'Politics ON') : If this problem was so simple, I would have solved all the problems within about two hours if it had just been revealed who wrote the comments, explained the problem clearly, and ended, but now I insist on taking down the representative and claiming that it is 'Kim Ok-gyun Project', so suspicions about who wrote this continue to progress. ]

[Anchor]
Last week, I talked with the two of them on the topic of the party bulletin board, and if there is anything more advanced, it means that we conducted a full investigation. However, when the party conducted a full investigation, only 12 articles were found to be problematic. In the pro-Yoon world, why does it make it so complicated for Han to clarify in one word? That's what I'm talking about.

[nervous]
From the side, it's been over three weeks. It's going to be a month soon. Is it something to turn off like this? So, there is a problem with the pro-Yoon side, and there is a problem with the close relationship, including CEO Han Dong-hoon. First of all, this issue is not something to be dragged on like this, the issue itself. It's clear that I'm going into a month for more than three weeks by hitting and hitting with this, and I don't feel like I'm doing this right now. Still, it's dragging on right now. That's why we're saying things that fit each other. Can't we just reveal who it is? It means that it's not a big deal. It's all true. So it's good from the opposition's point of view to drag it like this. It's good, but in terms of the level of politics, it's not something to turn off. This is an anonymous bulletin board. This is how anonymous bulletin boards are supposed to be. If you create an anonymous bulletin board, the organization becomes a mess anyway. If you don't make an anonymous bulletin board or if you make it, you can put up with it even if there are some upsetting stories. It's weird to ask them to reveal who they are, and it's kind of weird, so they can reveal it. Let's review the matter. But each other should reveal who they are with this, you shouldn't do this with the content. It's a very low level of politics to have been on this roll for nearly a month. So it's no longer a fight for me to just advise outside. Stop it now. This isn't even fun anymore. I'm not interested.

[Anchor]
Lawmaker Chung said last week, "Honestly, it's okay for everyone, whether it's representative Han Dong-hoon, to be honest with the party." What else did Vice-Chancellor Shin Ji-ho say today? On our YTN, we even talked about suspicions about Mrs. Kim's aunt. First Lady Kim Gun-hee criticized Han Dong-hoon and his family members. How did you see these scenes?

[Nice]
Korea is one of the top 10 economic and security powers in the world. Culture leads the world. Then at least it's the responsible party and the ruling party in that country. It's a power struggle. Then, the power struggle should be at least on the scale of some kind of ideological struggle, line struggle, and policy struggle. But it's a struggle. I can't be this small and small. But Rep. Shin Kyung-min told you to quit. Maybe because of inertia... So even my aunt is coming out. Then, when you hear your aunt talk about cursing, do you mean that the family did the post in the name of CEO Han Dong-hoon's family? I don't know if I'm imagining this too much, but do I do tiki-taka like that? That just occurred to me at first glance. That's why I keep saying that there's nothing wrong with the total investigation except for 12 cases. But what Chin-yoon is saying now is that your family wrote it or not, regardless of whether there is something wrong or not. It's biting and sticking with it. So, not only do they say different things and say what they want to say, but I think Chin Yoon-gye wants to kill Han Dong-hoon, even though it's too much to express Han Dong-hoon in some way, including some senior members. However, as I told you last week about CEO Han Dong-hoon's response as a new leader in response, there are very many disappointed voices. And now, one of my family members wrote this, and I'm sorry, but I think I've already missed the golden time. So when the special prosecutor re-vote with this, the number of leave votes will increase, so don't make the power struggle to such a small level. I'm so embarrassed.

[Anchor]
Kim Jong-in, former chairman of the emergency committee, also used the expression. Kim Ok-gyun program, it's a similar story to killing Han Dong-hoon you just mentioned. It's like pulling it out. Representative Shin?

[nervous]
For example, even if we don't know the truth, but the family of CEO Han Dong-hoon wrote this, is this an issue enough for CEO Han Dong-hoon to step down and quit politics? So isn't there a force that hates Han Dong-hoon and wants Han Dong-hoon to disappear? It's better to attack Han Dong-hoon in a nice way with something else and tell him to step down. I'm not good at saying that I need to take this and step back. What kind of project is Kim Ok-gyun with this? There could be a project. I think so. By the way, are you resigning from the CEO with this? Quit politics? Retire? I don't think this is right. So there won't be this grandiose reason for the policy. But representative Han Dong-hoon did a practical test as lawmaker Chung said earlier. I looked into it early on and it's not my family. Or there seems to be someone in my family. Either do one of them and take an emotional, moral, and ethical approach rather than a legal approach, and cut it off saying that this has nothing to do with my family, or it seems to be someone in my family. So I didn't write this, but I'm really sorry. If I had organized it like this, I think it would have ended in a week in the beginning.

[Anchor]
So you two are saying it's not a legal issue, but if it's a legal issue because the police investigation is ongoing. For example, what would be the consequences if the content of the article was defamatory or insulting?

[Nice]
I'm not saying I did a full investigation. But the lawmaker in charge of law is saying that there are few that fall under that category. And what they're talking about is that there's a person who used such bad words about the president and his wife. That's Mr. Lim, not his family. So, from knowing Mr. Lim, he knows who wrote the rest of his family names. In addition, the initial distributor is going to file a complaint because it is said that he cursed even though he did not swear because it was a false fact. So far, we've talked about it. From that point of view, everyone knows right now, so CEO Han Dong-hoon must have a neat personality, right? So it's certainly not legally flawed, but isn't it embarrassing to know that so-called young people say family is? It's called embarrassing. So, if you keep spinning this and that, you're going to the Supreme Council to the extent that you think he's really mean, don't you even have such a happening on the day the opposition leader's first trial comes out? What is this fact in politics? The public knows that the pro-Yoon-gye continues to suppress CEO Han Dong-hoon. However, I hope you know that there are many people who have expectations about how CEO Han Dong-hoon behaves.

[Anchor]
Let's talk about the next story. The Democratic Party continues to raise its offensive level against the prosecution. It was decided to hold an impeachment hearing for two prosecutors related to the investigation of Lee Jae-myung, but the opposition party is now strong. Let's listen to it.

[Kim Seung-won / Democratic Party member: Prosecutor Kang will announce the charges whenever he investigates, and prosecutor Um Hee-joon will teach inmates perjury and perjury in actual trials with the aim of defaming former Prime Minister Han Myung-sook.. Let me tell you that the National Assembly should examine, or investigate, this impeachment on behalf of the people. ]

[Kwak Kyu-taek / People's Power: Prosecutors Kang Vaccine and Um Hee-jun are prosecutors who investigated various cases against representative Lee Jae-myung, including the Daejang-dong case. Aren't you saying you hate Lee Jae-myung by investigating him and prosecuting him for impeachment? However, cases including the Daejang-dong case are currently being tried against CEO Lee Jae-myung. The decision to impeach the prosecutors who investigated during the trial is very likely to intervene in the trial. ]

[Anchor]
There are two prosecutors who say the Democratic Party will hold an impeachment hearing next month. Kang Vaccine, the deputy prosecutor of the Seongnam branch of the Suwon District Prosecutors' Office, and another person, Eom Hee-joon, the head of the Bucheon branch of the Imcheon District Prosecutors' Office, were to hold a hearing on the 11th of next month, but if you look at the reasons for impeachment. In the case of the Kang Vaccine Prosecutor, an illegal seizure and search was conducted at the time of the investigation into the manipulation of public opinion in the presidential election last year. This is the Democratic Party's argument. And prosecutor Um Hee-jun said, "At the time of the controversy over perjury teacher Han Myung-sook, this was 2011. At that time, there was a suspicion of a perjury teacher. They are determined to hold an impeachment hearing next month for the two. What do you think, Senator Shin?

[nervous]
The prosecutor's impeachment, as we have seen several precedents so far, is unlikely to be decided by the Constitutional Court. Impeachment has never been cited in the Constitutional Court against judges or prosecutors until now, unless they show a very decisive injustice. In that sense, this can be fully passed by the National Assembly. Because I'm currently a huge opposition party. So it would not be an exaggeration to explain that impeachment of the prosecutor is a political reason enough. However, there are various signs given to the prosecution for this part. In particular, the sentencing came out on the 15th and 25th of this time against representative Lee Jae-myung, and the second trial probably started immediately. Now, the prosecution will move on to the second trial again, and then it will start again at the end of the year or the beginning of the year, and it will be around the middle of next year. Then, the second trial will come out. And as soon as the 4th trial preparation period is over, remittances to North Korea will proceed quickly, and there is a possibility that the second and first trials of the three trials will be similarly ahead and behind after the middle of next year, so the prosecution's impeachment seems to have a strong message. That's why the message to the prosecution is very strong rather than about the two. That's why it's interpreted as political impeachment. Is it really right for the opposition to continue doing this? There are continuous questions about whether this is a good strategy. It seems necessary for the opposition to do this more solemnly and strictly, but I don't think it will happen. I think it's going to be repeated over and over again.

[Anchor]
You just saw the tickets.As I said before, the reasons for impeachment are the same. However, if the two people have something in common, the main investigations are the prosecutors who conducted the Daejang-dong and Baekhyun-dong investigations.

[Nice]
That's the factor. So, if you suspend your duties through the impeachment process, wouldn't it be affected by related trials? So we're going to do everything we can. They're saying they're going to revise the election law again. After that, they even say they will file an unconstitutional claim regarding the election law. Before the trial, the prosecution withdrew some budget, and in the case of a judge, increased the budget by more than 20 billion won to the Supreme Court. I'm doing something that I can see clearly. For example, in the case of prosecutor Um, there is a controversy over the perjury teacher who mocked Han Myeong-sook. It's been resolved. Does that mean that Prime Minister Han Myung-sook did not receive any money, but turned it over as if she had received the money by perjury? In the end, as you said, Daejang-dong and Baekhyun-dong were sick for the Democratic Party. I'm doing these things. That's why the prosecutors seem to be quite opposed. But what I'm a little bit bitter about is how the people perceive this nonetheless. However, what the Democratic Party of Korea uses as an excuse is that it not only conducted a business trip investigation into the manipulation of Deutsche Motors' stock price, but was ultimately acquitted. Given the public opinion on the prosecution's investigation into the Deutsche Motors stock price manipulation, the prosecution needs to know that even though all of these are pressuring the prosecution hard on the Baekhyun-dong and Daejang-dong investigations, as anchor Sung pointed out, the prosecution needs to know that there are voices and cynicism such as whether the prosecution conducted the investigation neutrally and independently enough to protest. The prosecution should be neutral. But every time every administration enters power, they shake the prosecution. It was the same during the Moon Jae In regime. At that time, the people expected a lot for a person who served as prosecutor general in the Moon Jae In administration to become president. Now, the prosecution has sent a signal that the people want someone who is more neutral, independent, and confronts living power, but it seems necessary to reflect on whether the prosecution is investigating according to the signal.

[Anchor]
You once again harshly criticized the prosecution. The prosecution issued another statement today in the name of the chief prosecutors of the Seoul Central District Prosecutors' Office. We issued a joint statement.

[nervous]
There were more than 30 senior prosecutors. This is unusual, but the prosecution's principle of the prosecution is still working, so it can't be seen as such a huge thing, but it's true that it's unusual. Anyway, in order for the prosecution to find its status, it is necessary to do the same to Kim Gun-hee as it did to her. But if the prosecution is doing well, the people probably won't give you a good score. That's why the opposition party is doing well. That won't give you a good score either. So it is very difficult for the prosecution to get trust from the public unless it really shows what reform is.

[Nice]
As Representative Shin Kyung-min said, the opposition party should be criticized here. However, it means that the prosecution should also think about this.

[Anchor]
We'll stop listening to you two today. He was joined by former Saenuri Party lawmaker Chung Ok-im and former Democratic Party lawmaker Shin Kyung-min. Thank you both.