[Curious] Shin Jiho, "I'm going to put up with my aunt Kim's curse".Is it starting to fight back?

■ Host: Kim Sun-young Anchor
■ Starring: Lawyer Cho Ki-yeon, Lawyer Seo Jeong-wook

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[Anchor]
Political commentary with a living angle, let's start at the minute. Today, we have two lawyers, Seo Jeong-wook and Jo Ki-yeon. Welcome. Let's watch the first keyword video today.

Is there a backsliding of a close relationship? Yesterday, Shin Ji-ho, the head of the Strategic Planning Department, appeared on our current affairs show and said, "Isn't Aunt Kim Gun-hee criticizing Representative Han Dong-hoon that she can't say anymore?" How did you like it?

[Early Delayed]
At this point, it seemed that he had crossed a river that he could not return. Usually, even when ordinary people have quarrels and fight, if the family is involved and the family's problems are brought into it, it becomes an irreconcilable fight. It seems that this has been properly coordinated and sealed afterwards, and it has exceeded this level because it has expanded to the extent that both sides criticize each other in a life-or-death manner. But I want to point out that the people are watching these scenes every day, and I want to ask if they are thinking about what the people will think when the ruling party looks like this, whether it is pro-yoon, pro-Korean, or presidential office. I don't know when and what purpose they are fighting for to reach a conclusion, but it is also deplorable from the public's point of view, and I am anxious beyond complaints that the ruling party is at this level, and there is a fundamental skepticism about whether it is okay to entrust state affairs to the ruling party.

[Anchor]
Anyway, they're quite harsh words. CEO Han Dong-hoon is a devil. It's a family that's going to be hit by lightning again. It's this expression. Is Aunt Kim Geon-hee right now? I guess it's right because you don't refute it. Aunt

[Seo Jung-wook]
is someone I know well. It's Yang Bi-ron, but this time, it's Sambi-ron. I think all three of us did something wrong. First of all, the person who cursed Kim Gun-hee and the person who wrote it. I don't know if it's Han Dong-hoon's family or a third party, but it's also wrong. And then my aunt can't do this either. Even my aunt keeps criticizing me, and it's not self-defense, so I shouldn't do this. Next, Vice-President Shin Ji-ho can't do this either. The secretary-general should not continue to post things like this and instigate fights and conflicts. All three are quite problematic. You have to stop the fight. Aren't you on duty? I don't know how the person on duty secured a Facebook post that only friends see on Facebook, but I wonder what good it would be to expose it like this. Floor leader Choo Kyung-ho also warned me. If a person on duty now does YouTube every day and criticizes former Supreme Council member Kim Min or this side for all the pending issues, is this an organization with discipline? I have to resign from my job or do YouTube, but what is this? I think there is a problem with all three.

[Anchor]
Sambiron, all three were wrong. Since you pointed out that you know Aunt Kim Gun-hee personally, many people seem to think why Aunt Kim suddenly appears, are you usually interested in politics?

[Jungwook Seo]
That's right. I posted a lot of posts on Facebook. He also calls me every time I have issues and does a lot of things like this and that, and he's a person who is very active on YouTube.

[Anchor]
There's also a saying that you're a pastor, right?

[Jungwook Seo]
It's a female pastor.

[Anchor]
You explained that you are a female pastor and are usually interested in politics, but from the point of view of your close circle, that's true. I'm not saying that it's wrong for my aunt to criticize CEO Han Dong-hoon, but we didn't point out that his family criticized him like this, but it's a rebuttal to whether it's right to drive CEO Han Dong-hoon by raising a problem that his family posted such criticism on the party's bulletin board. How do you see that?

[Early Delayed]
CEO Han Dong-hoon said he brought this issue with that intention, but in fact, it doesn't seem to be the case. It would be very unpleasant about this expression itself. It's very embarrassing and insulting to hear her call herself Mrs. Kim Gun-hee's aunt, and if she mentioned it herself, wouldn't she be saying this because she judged that she would have no choice but to go to a mud fight in the future? Even though this is something that can be expressed between each other, why are you making a problem with only what the representative Han Dong-hoon's family seems to have written? I don't think it's a problem to this extent. However, if you look at the problems of Mrs. Kim Gun-hee's aunt, don't people around the president talk less during the administration and refrain from saying anything in the presidential office for fear of unnecessary misunderstanding related to politics? That's why the senior presidential secretary for civil affairs has that function.

[Anchor]
You need to refrain from doing this, too. Do you see it like this?

[Early Delayed]
That's right. Even lawyer Seo knows that he is the aunt of the president, who actually expresses and engages in various political interests, especially in terms of internal issues, and even uses these expressions to express his position, it seems that he is very involved in politics beyond what he can do as a family member of the president. So why are people around President Yoon Suk Yeol, especially his in-laws, talking directly and openly about political issues? Why doesn't the president's office control this part? I think we have no choice but to raise problems in this area.

[Anchor]
Kim Gun-hee's aunt appeared in the controversy over the party's bulletin board. This aunt, Pastor Kim Hye-seop, posted a message on social media under her real name, so Han Dong-hoon's family first wrote what they should not say to Kim Gun-hee, and what Han Dong-hoon said is freedom of expression. Don't put up with it and don't blur the essence. He posted another comment today.

[Jungwook Seo]
He sent me the full text on Kakaotalk. It's a turner. The whole family is a name that ends with a sub. In your opinion, CEO Han Dong-hoon's family cursed Kim Gun-hee. I think you definitely believe this. That's right, because you don't talk. CEO Han Dong-hoon. As I am sure of that, only Mrs. Kim Gun-hee is suffering a lot. As an aunt, I feel sorry and angry. That's why I wrote a long article today. They criticized Kim Gun-hee like that, but now that I'm writing, why are they revealing it like this? I wrote a rebuttal like this. But what I want to say to my aunt is that she is also a complete person. I'm a direct aunt of the First Lady. So it won't help the president if he refrains. First lady Kim Gun-hee. Even if I have personal feelings, I need to refrain from doing so in the future. What's the point of continuing to smear each other like this? I think both sides should refrain.

[Anchor]
Did you personally reply like that?

[Jungwook Seo]
I finished reading it.

[Anchor]
But isn't CEO Han Dong-hoon talking about this? The party has already conducted a full investigation of the bulletin board, and there were only one or two or three articles posted in the name of CEO Han Dong-hoon's family a day, and it is refuting that there is no such explicit slander. How did you hear that?

[Jungwook Seo]
I think the key is to acknowledge the family account, the feeling. Isn't the content of the article not much? I actually admit this. So, we're doing a full investigation and asking if there's nothing much to it. So first of all, yes or no. First of all, is the account under the family's name real? Or is it the same name or theft? It's right to reveal this first. It's probably not easy to get a police search warrant because it's crushed and permanently unsolved. Then it's a permanent cosmetic. This is the problem. The problem is the content of the article, this is not it. Why don't you slander Kim Gun-hee? That's not the essence. What is it, this happened a long time ago. Policy Committee Chairman Chung Je-sik said, "Why aren't you resigning? Resign with hundreds of accounts like this, resign at the peak. Or why restore Kim Kyung-soo. That's when it comes up on the party bulletin board. If you do this, you'll have hundreds of accounts and create public opinion. Then what does CEO Han Dong-hoon say? Look, isn't the public opinion of the party members like this? Don't you oppose it? This is Druking, who manipulates the direction of public opinion. This is the essence. Blame and curse, and I don't think this is the essence.

[Anchor]
Anyway, in the pro-Yoon world, all you have to say is yes or no. It's a simple one. In this way, the core of this is to oust representative Han Dong-hoon. We're talking about it like this. So, as you can see in the closeness community, there is a factional conflict with the pro-Yoon-gye while mentioning Aunt Kim. This morning, Rep. Park Jie-won of the Democratic Party made this comment on the situation within the People's Power Party. Let's listen to it.

[Anchor]
It's called the Kim Ok-gyun Project. Democrats have been talking about this a lot recently. Some people say that it's a kind of alienation, but I think I'll succeed in ousting Han Dong-hoon anyway. What do you think of it personally?

[Early Delayed]
So far, this administration has been launched and succeeded in party-government relations. The process of changing the leadership of the party according to the president's will and creating it has never failed. But CEO Han Dong-hoon has special characteristics. As Representative Park Ji-won said, they must know a lot about each other because they have a special relationship, a very old relationship, and a process of working together within the prosecution organization. Do you only know the good? There must be something that we know about the problematic point by checking each other. However, we haven't yet predicted what to do when such trust is broken, and I don't think the Maginot Line has been crossed. I think CEO Han Dong-hoon has no choice but to judge that it is over now. According to a report released this morning, it could be a signal to the president's office, but people around me say that they are referring to the Special Prosecutor's Act of Kim Gun-hee. He seems to be determined to protect his leadership as a representative even if he ends his relationship with the president. Considering various power regulations within the party, wouldn't it be hard for Han Dong-hoon to hold out? That's what I'm seeing.

[Anchor]
It will eventually succeed in ousting.

[Early Delayed]
That's what I see.

[Anchor]
Whether it will be like Lee Jun-seok or not, this is also the point to watch. Since you mentioned it, this is what the Hankook Ilbo reported today. Representative Han Dong-hoon needs to consider the independent counsel for Kim Gun-hee. The Hankook Ilbo reported today that he said this. Do you really think we're going to go with this flow? We didn't check it ourselves.

[Jungwook Seo]
First, five people who spread the Kim Ok-kyun project were sent to the prosecution. I'm digging in the background. Rep. Lee Chul-kyu filed a complaint because he did what Rep. Lee Chul-kyu did. Rather, it is doubtful that the Democratic Party is behind it. This is also a doubt. Because we didn't have such a project. But Rep. Park Ji-won keeps mentioning it as if she's doing it. I must dig in the background. I tell you that five people were sent to the prosecution. Then, Lee Chang-yong, the governor of the Bank of Korea, talks about being a piggyback. This is the person who was appointed as the governor of the Bank of Korea during the Moon Jae In. It's quite hard to see it as a free-right conservative. However, I suspect that the Democratic Party of Korea has an intention to float him as a candidate for prime minister.

[Anchor]
Is Park Ji-won pushing it?

[Jungwook Seo]
I'm pushing it right now. You're floating it. I have a problem with this. Then CEO Han Dong-hoon said, "I can't get this special prosecutor for Kim Gun-hee." I also talk to a lot of close lawmakers on the phone and meet them. This is a real nuclear war. You said you couldn't do nuclear war. If Kim Gun-hee gets an independent counsel, it will be completely destroyed and destroyed.

[Anchor]
Does it split sugar?

[Jungwook Seo]
That's how we can't go together. And at the moment of Kim Gun-hee's independent counsel law, the independent counsel law is a justification for Deutsche Motors and a suspicion of Myung Tae-kyun. It's public opinion manipulation or nomination intervention. But now, it is targeting a lot of pro-Yoon, but if it enters a full-fledged investigation later, it could probably lag behind this year's general election. Therefore, Kim Gun-hee cannot go to the special prosecutor's office. I think it's completely over the red line.

[Anchor]
I was talking about CEO Han Dong-hoon. It seems that the media cannot help but pay attention to the story because it came before the re-decision of the special prosecutor Kim Gun-hee. If this is true, is he actually willing to mobilize close friends to draw a breakaway vote? Or I have a card like this, so don't attack me anymore, do you mean this?

[Early Delayed]
At this point, I think the latter meaning is stronger. At the end, I think that option is also open. In the process of intensifying the conflict between the two sides due to this issue, CEO Han Dong-hoon came out shortly after the top of the list a few days ago and had a rather heated press interview. I did a media interview. At that time, the nature of the cause was that people who are being talked about in relation to Myung Tae-kyun are now holding on to the CEO to cover up their suspicions. What this means is that in the end, the special prosecutor's investigation targets will attack themselves to cover up the problem with the suspected case related to Myung Tae-kyun, so where will it lead to in the end? That's not what I said in an emotional situation, but if the situation is driven like this, there are a lot of public suspicions about Myung Tae-kyun and the Special Prosecutor Act, which is the subject of the special prosecution, so I think it's sending a message again that close lawmakers can make other choices in this way.

If you see that there are talks about such things around Han while specifically mentioning the special prosecution law today, simply stop this here. Beyond the warning of who will end up hurting us greatly if we go all the way, I think pro-Yoon and even Yongsan are sending a strong message that if we continue to drive the situation this way, we can vote for an independent counsel and make a different choice.

[Anchor]
The power of the people is in a state of turmoil in many ways. Yesterday, there was an unusual case in which the prosecution raided the central headquarters in connection with the suspicion of nomination intervention. In connection with this search and seizure, CEO Han Dong-hoon said this this this morning. Let's listen to it.

There seems to be a view that the public's power yesterday opened the company's door too smoothly than expected, but Rep. Park Bum-kye felt as if representative Han Dong-hoon was just giving it away. They also interpret it like this. How did you see it?

[Jungwook Seo]
In the past, Vice Chairman Kim Yong of the Democratic Party blocked it. After that, when Kim Woong raided and searched, he just blocked 11 active lawmakers. You can't physically prevent the warrant from coming, but you have to monitor and respond to the minimum you need when executing it. Otherwise, you don't know what you're going to take. However, how can the leadership be so indifferent when the main office of the party's core organization, the parliament building, and the company are raided and searched? I have this suspicion. Then how about CEO Han Dong-hoon? I have nothing to do with Myung Tae-kyun. Myung Tae-kyun is involved in Oh Se-hoon, Hong Joon Pyo, and Won Hee-ryong of Changwon Industrial Complex. I have nothing to do with Myung Tae-kyun because I can defeat the competitors and then target the president of Chin-yoon, Kim Geon-hee, or Yoon Suk Yeol. If you open it like this with this in mind. You are not qualified as a party leader. The party is under seizure and search, so we have to respond urgently. I'm clean and I've eliminated all the nominations this time. In 2022, CEO Lee Joon-seok should not go with this attitude, saying, "Isn't it a problem?"

[Anchor]
Since the data taken is related to the 2022 election, it has nothing to do with representative Han Dong-hoon.

[Jungwook Seo]
So, I'm not related to you, but this time, it's about Oh Se-hoon, Hong Joon Pyo, Won Hee-ryong, Lee Jun-seok, the president, and Kim Gun-hee. So if you don't respond, if you're weak, I think this is a problem.

[Anchor]
There are various interpretations of CEO Han Dong-hoon's expression. He is a representative from the prosecution, but he can't help but oppose the seizure and search. There are some advocating this, but lawmaker Park Beom-gye also suggested that representative Han Dong-hoon seemed to like it. How did you like it?

[Early Delayed]
I don't know how much the prosecution was willing to secure evidence through seizure and search.Ma is completely free from suspicions related to pollack, so it is politically advantageous for him that the investigation will take place. I think lawmaker Park Beom-gye said that aspect. If you watch the seizure and search process yesterday, you will be prepared immediately after the Democratic Party's seizure and search in the case of Vice Chairman Kim Yong. At that time, prosecutors who were raided and searched showed an active willingness to search with Democratic Party lawmakers in a violent war of words.

But yesterday, the search and seizure time was already known. He said he would come at 1 o'clock, so please eat, he said. Seizure and search are secretive, so you have to go in all of a sudden to secure evidence. Wouldn't you destroy the evidence if it was known in advance? This part is weird, too. According to a Democratic Party spokesperson's comment, one document envelope was actually obtained after confiscating the headquarters and the congressional hall. I don't know the truth about that.Ma confirmed it in the spokesperson's office. Although this aspect was different, I think the prosecution's willingness to investigate, whether they actually want to investigate, this is the same as the Democratic Party's raid and the seizure and search of the people's power yesterday.

I think it was a search and seizure in the political sense. In the case of the Democratic Party of Korea at the time, I came in knowing that there is no possibility that evidence will be secured there because Kim Yong, vice president of the Democratic Research Institute, was appointed not long ago and he did not go to work properly. In the case of the power of the people, if it was true that it was just one document envelope yesterday, was that the only evidence that could be secured in relation to it at the time? Show them that you're investigating. At that time, if the Democratic Party was seized and searched as a politically charged investigation in that way, it seems to have the shape of an investigation yesterday.

[Anchor]
But wouldn't there be people who are nervous about taking the envelope?

[Early Delayed]
The content is important. I don't know how important the evidence actually contains. It doesn't matter how much it is.

[Anchor]
We'll also see what we actually took and how Pandora's box opens in the future. Let's move on to the next keyword. Please show us. Impeach only me. Lee Chang-soo, head of the Central District Prosecutors' Office, conducted an unusual media interview. I talked about the Democratic Party's move to impeach the prosecutor in a media interview. Please show us. Impeach me except for junior prosecutor. That's what I said. "The prosecution's impeachment is a judicial obstruction that prevents the Central District Prosecutors' Office from investigating major cases and maintaining prosecution," he said, adding, "We will review all legal measures, including applications for provisional injunction for suspension of execution and compensation for damages, including constitutional complaints. That's what I said.

"I told the prosecutors to trust me and investigate because I will take responsibility in the end," he said. "I have no regrets about Kim Geon-hee's impeachment." If the investigation team had come as an opinion of prosecution, they would have prosecuted. That's what I said. It seems quite unusual for the head of the Central District Prosecutors' Office to express his opinion through the media. I think it's my first time seeing it.

[Jungwook Seo]
If it was your problem, you wouldn't have revealed it, but there are two more junior prosecutors. That's why I said I was going to have an interview. The key is that representative Lee Jae-myung and the prosecution are engaged in a law war. He compared it to a soccer game. Soccer is playing 11:11 right now, but the opponent sent three people off. Because you're maintaining the indictment. Representative Lee Jae-myung's trial. But if we tie the hands and feet of the three prosecutors, would it be fair to leave the three and play 11:8? This is the core of the interview, it looks like this. It's a dereliction of duty to impeach. But if it's a dereliction of duty, you don't have to do anything.

The former chief of the Central District Prosecutors' Office is Song Kyung-ho. Song Kyung-ho hasn't done anything for two years. He didn't investigate, prosecute, or indict. But he's the head of the Busan High Prosecutors' Office. Song Kyung-ho doesn't impeach. Lee Jung-soo, chief of the Central District Prosecutors' Office, followed by Lee Sung-yoon, chief of the Central District Prosecutors' Office, who did nothing for four and a half years before that. However, he proactively judged the evidence, summoned Kim Gun-hee, and made a red team to deal with it, but he will be impeached for dereliction of duty. It doesn't make sense. This is the political impeachment for representative Lee Jae-myung. Looking at it like this, even the senior prosecutor is protesting. I don't know if it will actually happen, but I think there will be a huge headwind for all legal professions.

[Anchor]
The Democratic Party of Korea's position is that it will vote on the plenary session next week and pass it. Even the chief of the Central District Prosecutors' Office, who is considered the prosecution's No. 2, protested like this, and 33 senior prosecutors should stop impeaching them. You even issued a collective statement. If this happens, will it be a battle between the Democratic Party and the prosecution?

[Early Delayed]
I think it's very inappropriate to make this composition fight. Yesterday, I saw how the prosecution viewed this situation in the interview of Lee Chang-soo, the chief of the Central District Prosecutors' Office, and the analogy you mentioned earlier. The Democratic Party's decision to vote on the impeachment motion means that the National Assembly will exercise the right to impeach prosecutors who committed illegal acts in accordance with the Constitution and laws. That part can be criticized as it is, but it's like calling the opponent Lee Jae-myung and the Democratic Party and trying to get a player out of the game? I used a metaphor. So, the Democratic Party, which saw the prosecution's investigation as illegal, is dealing with the situation now, simply seeing the exercise of the National Assembly's legislative power as a means to defend the judicial risks of Chairman Lee Jae-myung or the Democratic Party.

If the impeachment motion is submitted to the National Assembly, I will understand if you criticize it with what the problem is.Ma can explain the reasons for impeachment related to the dereliction of duty, at least with regard to the non-prosecution related to Kim Gun-hee, but isn't criticism of whether the investigation was fair or proper before that being raised at the level of common sense? It's an issue that can be seen as a dereliction of duty. Then, when the impeachment motion is submitted to the National Assembly, judge and criticize it. As soon as you say you're doing it, you come out of the central prosecutor's office and take collective action? I don't think it's an unprecedented issue and it's not an issue to respond in this way.

[Anchor]
Some argue that this would create a work vacuum in the prosecution and damage ordinary citizens, but Chung Sung-ho of the Democratic Party refuted this. Let's listen to it. In addition to this criticism, there was also this in today's interview that issuing a collective statement itself is a political prosecutor. So I'm talking about how there's a work gap when there's a replacement for everyone. How did you hear that?

[Jungwook Seo]
It is the largest office in the world with 250 prosecutors in the Central District Prosecutors' Office. It will be more than 10% of cases in our country. However, if the head of the Central District Prosecutors' Office is suspended, the first deputy chief will do it. The first deputy director can't do the third deputy director, public security, or corruption. Your case, too. It is true that the public will be harmed when the work becomes vacant.

[Anchor]
Will my duties be suspended until the Constitutional Court decides?

[Jungwook Seo]
The interview came out earlier. I'm going to try the provisional disposition for the first time. If you vote for impeachment, you think it is unconditionally suspended, but if you suspend the effect of the National Assembly's vote, you can't be suspended. It's a road I've never been to before. Chairman Lee Jin-sook, however, filed a constitutional petition for the hearing of seven people. This time, there is a possibility that I will apply for a temporary injunction for the first time. Next, lawyer Cho is called dereliction of duty, and what is dereliction of duty is that he doesn't do anything. But you were acquitted or prosecuted. And if you have an objection, you appeal and hold it in the old prosecutor's office. The judge ruled and the prosecutor decided, but is this a dereliction of duty? You can appeal that it's unfair. But it's not like you didn't do anything.

Now, the opposition party has not raided Kim Gun-hee's house and has not raided her cell phone. Then did Lee Jae-myung search and seizure of his cell phone? Did you raid Lee Jae-myung's house? You didn't do it. It is said that the stock price manipulation was concluded 15 years ago without confiscating and searching mobile phones and houses. Does this make sense logically? That's why the prosecutors are angry.

[Anchor]
Finally, I will ask lawyer Cho Ki-yeon. In any case, there is a part that emphasized the importance of the independence of the judiciary at a time when representative Lee Jae-myung's judicial risks are accumulated. If we go into a confrontation with the prosecution anyway, that part itself will not be a plus to Lee Jae-myung. How do you see that?

[Early Delayed]
The context in which representative Lee Jae-myung talked about confidence in the judiciary and refraining from criticism is different from the impeachment or political criticism of the prosecution. The prosecution's unreasonable prosecution and political retaliation prosecution led to this issue itself. Since it was not just the actions of a few prosecutors, it was done at the level of the prosecution government, so it should be held accountable for this, and there is no way to correct the illegality or illegality that occurred during the investigation. It is also true that in addition to the right to impeach the National Assembly, the prosecution itself has been unable to block such irregularities due to the self-purification function. Nevertheless, it was not in this position that respecting the judicial judgment in the case prosecuted as a result would tolerate and tolerate the prosecution's excessive political prosecution.

[Anchor]
Does the impeachment of the head of the Central District Prosecutors' Office end up voting? Is that hardened? Or can it change?

[Early Delayed]
I think the position has been settled to some extent. I've been preparing it for a month.

[Anchor]
I see. Let's stop here. Until now, it has been two lawyers, Seo Jeong-wook and Jo Ki-yeon. Thank you.