與 Kim Sang-wook, "尹, I doubt whether it is an objective situation that can carry out state affairs."

- As a member of the People's Power, I'm sorry and I apologize.Feeling miserable, feeling responsible
- There are many opinions against the 尹 of the 與 House of Representatives..Jinyoung's logic remains strong
- Regardless of the pros and cons of 'emergency martial law', it's very unusual...As soon as I heard the news, I went to the National Assembly
- Choo Kyung-ho's 'calling the headquarters' Han Dong-hoon's 'calling the plenary session hall'...There must have been confusion in the 與
- 與 is being organized to oppose the impeachment of President Yoon.

◆ [YTN Radio SHINYUL's news]
■ Broadcasting: FM 94.5 (17:00-19:00)
■ Air date: December 4, 2024 (Wednesday)
■ Proceedings: Shin Yul, Professor of Political Science and Diplomacy at Myongji University
■ Dialogue: Kim Sang-wook, member of the People's Power,

- 與 There must be a lot of worries about internal departure tickets.The General Assembly? A strong voice is the main one
- The National Assembly would have been inevitable if martial law had not been resolved
- A stage to test the political health of the Republic of Korea.We need to see and communicate with politicians


* The text below may differ from the actual broadcast content, so please check the broadcast for more accurate information.


◇Shinryul: Let's start the fourth part of YTN Radio's Shinryul's News Head-to-head Match. The person we will meet in the front interview of the fourth part today is Rep. Kim Sang-wook, the power of the people. You're in the studio right now. Please come in.

◆Kim Sang-wook: Let's say hello. I'm Kim Sangwook.

◇ Shin Yul: Yes, you did a great job yesterday.

◆Kim Sang-wook: First of all, I would like to say to the listeners of the radio that I am so sorry and sorry as a member of the People's Power National Assembly.

◇ Shin-ryul: Still, lawmaker Kim also went to the voting site and voted, and I think that was a very important part. Especially for generations like mine who have a kind of trauma about emergency martial law, such an act can be very reassuring. That's what I think. Did you have it in the morning today?

◆Kim Sang-wook: Yes, there was a gun in the morning.

◇ Shin Yul: As a matter of defection from the president?

◆Kim Sang-wook: Yes, we had time to share opinions on the general issues, including the president's defection. There are still a lot of parts that haven't been concluded, so I think I have to go again tonight.

◇ Shin Yul: But what percentage do you think is opposed to the defection?

◆Kim Sang-wook: I think our listeners will be disappointed.

◇ Velocity: I see. What's the reason? For those who disagree,

◆Kim Sang-wook: I think the camp logic remains a little strong. In fact, in a way, what should be avoided in politics is the logic of the camp that loses rationality and fairness, but I don't think we can do politics for the people if we fall into the logic of the camp regardless of the ruling and opposition parties.

◇ Shin Yul: I don't know. I don't know, but I think we should think about the percentage of people who say they approve of emergency martial law when the poll is conducted.

◆Kim Sang-wook: But apart from the pros and cons. Emergency martial law is really unusual. Only in wartime situations can the state do.

◇Excellence: It's an exhibition or an incident.

◆Kim Sang-wook: This is the first emergency martial law since December 6th. Actually, as soon as I heard about the emergency martial law yesterday, that thought came to my mind. I felt a sense of crisis that if I do something wrong, the people should shed blood on the sword, and if I do something wrong, democracy could collapse. So, actually, when I heard about it yesterday, I ran right into the National Assembly. Party theory, what is it? Where is it?

◇ Credit: You're not going to our office?

◆Kim Sang-wook: I just ran into the National Assembly by myself without asking anywhere. The reason was that if I didn't stop it, the people would bleed, and in fact, I've never experienced emergency martial law, but the emergency martial law I've seen in history has always been accompanied by blood. So I also have a vague fear that if I do something wrong with my mind going to the National Assembly, I might die. In fact, most of the lawmakers, especially those who headed to the plenary session of the National Assembly yesterday, were a little determined. In fact, soldiers armed with guns stormed the National Assembly compound, so there was a sense of crisis.

◇ Shin Yul: But how did you get in yesterday? Did you cross the wall and go in?

◆Kim Sang-wook: Because I came in right away

◇ Credit: You just broke through the police control line like this.

◆Kim Sang-wook: I came in right away. I think I went in first. So, I didn't have any such interference, but I thought that martial law should be prevented after arriving because no matter how much I think about it, it can't be seen as a reason for martial law, and I can't check all the procedures. In any case, it was judged that it could pose a serious threat to the constitutional order, and the people are the top priority regardless of political parties and factions because lawmakers have to support the people. Therefore, in particular, harm to the lives and bodies of the people must be prevented by the body. So I contacted my colleagues and tried to gather as much as possible.

◇ Shin Yul: I want to ask you a little bit, didn't two helicopters land in the National Assembly? I'm sure everyone heard the sound. How did you feel about the helicopter sound in there?

◆Kim Sang-wook: To be honest, I didn't mean to be afraid. I just felt very determined. I really saw soldiers armed with guns in front of my eyes, and I went out and shouted and protested together about how soldiers dare to enter the National Assembly compound, and I thought, "If I can go wrong and prevent the people from bleeding, I should do that."

◇ Shin-ryul: Regardless of whether there are two or three helicopters, I can't really express it. For me.

◆ Kim Sang-wook: And I feel terrible and at the same time, I feel a great sense of responsibility because I'm a member of the ruling party. I'm sorry.

◇ Shin-ryul: But now some lawmakers were at the company. There were some comments like this, and he wasn't in the National Assembly. In the case of the Democratic Party of Korea, it's all in order except for the lawmakers who were in their constituencies. What made the power of the people so confusing?

◆Kim Sang-wook: I think there are many reasons. First of all, the lawmakers must have been embarrassed. There must have been no guidelines or such because the situation itself was embarrassing and unexpected. First of all, I met the party leader at the National Assembly, and I saw that the party leader contacted me to come here quickly if some members came to the plenary session of the Budget and Accounts Committee. However, floor leader Choo Kyung-ho convened lawmakers to the headquarters. As a result, I wonder if there might have been confusion among lawmakers

◇ Shin-ryul: Did you think that what floor leader Choo told you to gather at the headquarters would not be able to enter the National Assembly?

◆Kim Sang-wook: I don't know what's inside. But I was in the main building of the National Assembly. So, it was actually a little difficult, but it seems that it was a situation where you could come in to come in. All the Democrats came in. But I think each lawmaker's personal beliefs and thoughts are also reflected.

◇ Shin Yul: The presidential impeachment bill has been proposed by six opposition parties, including the New Reform Party, and it will be voted on in two days. But has the public's position of power been sorted out? What happened?

◆Kim Sang-wook: It may be difficult to say that it has been finalized yet, but basically, the atmosphere of the general meeting of lawmakers seems to be being organized with the intention of opposing impeachment. In my personal opinion, it's my personal opinion, but there are some doubts about whether the president can carry out state affairs and there are many things to consider. Whether the president has the ability to run state affairs will be important, and whether he can sufficiently attract cooperation from the opposition party or the ruling party, another political entity, and whether it can be cited by the people from the first stage. And the second stage is, if yes. If not, will we go to impeachment or the national cabinet? If we go to impeachment, what will happen after that? If we can't accept the price after that? If we go to the national cabinet, I think there are various cases of what to do with the national cabinet. I'm also thinking a lot about that, and since it's an important decision-making, I think it's something that I have to think about 100 times and 1,000 times until the vote.

◇ Shin Yul: But in the case of Rep. Ahn Cheol Soo, he was the first member of the ruling party to demand the resignation of the president, and he is serving six terms. Representative Cho Kyung-tae said that impeachment is inevitable, what do you think?

◆Kim Sang-wook: As I mentioned before, this is a part that needs to be carefully decided after deeply considering the number of such cases. But basically, I don't think the current president has the ability to run state affairs and it's an objective situation. So, if that's the case, we're thinking about the various variables and the number of cases for impeachment, the cabinet of the country, or the next countermeasures against the next country.

◇ Shin Yul: In fact, the Kim Gun-hee Special Counsel Act will be re-voted on December 10th, but the vote on the impeachment of the president is December 6th, so it is four days earlier. And in fact, I think the opposition party is not interested in the Kim Gun-hee independent counsel law. Rather, I think I will be more concerned about the impeachment of President Yoon Suk Yeol with all my might, what do you think about this? Do you think there's a little bit of this departure ticket here?

◆Kim Sang-wook: I don't know everything right now, but of course, I think there are a lot of people who have a lot of worries. In particular, I think people who see soldiers armed with guns in front of their eyes and the National Assembly stormed so much that they have a lot of thoughts. And I think it is also a disproving that various opinions are exchanged at the general meeting of lawmakers. However, so far, strong people tend to speak out a lot at the general meeting of lawmakers on the floor, so I think those parts are still a little less organized.

◇ Shin Yul: And I'll ask you again, of course, we don't know because we haven't been in President Yoon Suk Yeol's mind, but from an objective environment, we're actually the ones who are chasing police orders, but these generations who are now the MZ generation are very young people who have their own standards. Do you think he would have thought that he would move by giving orders as he intended?

◆Kim Sang-wook: I think so. Of course, individuals can think in a variety of ways, but when you enter an organization and start moving to the organization, you have the power to force actions and thoughts so that they are invisible. So in fact, I think that mobilizing the military or police like this is a problem that is dangerous enough for the MZ generation. That's why, in the case of last night, I actually had one wind. I hope no one gets hurt because no matter how many military and police officers of the MZ generation are carrying weapons. We have no choice but to collide. Then I thought it was a situation where someone could get hurt even accidentally, so I was most concerned that I really hoped that no one would get hurt, and if it was a relief, I think it was a relief that the accident was not big.

◇ Shin Yul: But personally, President Yoon Suk Yeol asked the same thing to Democratic Party lawmaker Boo Seung-chan earlier, and this was very sloppy when looking at the person who had experienced martial law.

◆Kim Sang-wook: Maybe I think so. There is no one other than the National Assembly who can solve martial law, right? If the National Assembly had not lifted martial law last evening, martial law would have been implemented as it was, and such national resistance would have been inevitable, and such massive bloodshed was inevitable. Of course, the Korean economy will collapse. This was an inevitable aftermath, and the actual atmosphere was very harsh at the National Assembly yesterday. It was very tough, and the fact that the special lease of firefighters was put into the National Assembly immediately, and that the arrest team came into the National Assembly's precinct, and now, Proclamation 1 prohibits political activities of the National Assembly.

◇ Shin-ryul: However, the act you voted for yesterday in the National Assembly is not a political activity, but a legislative activity as a member of the National Assembly of the Republic of Korea.

◆Kim Sang-wook: I think it's a natural duty to protect the people, so I mentioned it yesterday, but I think not only I but others felt the same way. You can't make people bleed. I think it was our intention to bleed, and that's what I felt. And it was so disastrous. The National Assembly is a place where the people's will gather. It is the basis of democracy only when public power can never come in carelessly and all these freedoms, such as speech, doctors, and accidents, are guaranteed, and soldiers armed with guns stormed here. I really hope that Korea will not have such a mishap in the future.

◇ Shin Yul: I interviewed Shin Bong-ki, a professor of law at Kyungpook National University, before the lawmaker came, and what he said was that martial law proclamation No. 1 is a party activity in the National Assembly and local councils. There are many factors that are unconstitutional

◆ Kim Sang-wook: I feel the same way. Because on martial law, the president said

◇ Credit: No matter how much the National Assembly should touch,

◆Kim Sang-wook: You can hope for martial law, but it should not be a means of dictatorship, so controlling it is the power of the National Assembly to lift martial law. However, the fact that the National Assembly cannot do any activities in Paragraph 1 of the Declaration means that martial law should not be lifted, and it was such a declaration beyond the president's authority granted by the Constitution. That's what I think.

◇ Shin Yul: Professor Shin Bong-ki said earlier that it's actually a very problem. Nevertheless, I said earlier that I think it's a little sloppy, but I think President Yoon didn't do it because he thought very deeply. There are so many empty places. But why do you think you did it?

◆Kim Sang-wook: I don't know all the reasons. I don't know, but everyone probably didn't expect it at all. I don't think anyone who lives in 2024 expected us to face martial law in Korea. And in fact, there was nothing to consider as a reason for martial law, and in a way, the struggle in the National Assembly is a normal political activity. So I still don't know why.

◇ Shin Yul: Well, yesterday, I was also very surprised and bewildered. I really did, but lastly, what if you tell me one thing you need to deal with the current situation?

◆Kim Sang-wook: That's what I think about the current situation. In order for the Republic of Korea to be healthy, I think healthy conservatives and healthy progressives must develop by competing with each other and in good faith on the basis of the constitutional order and liberal democracy. In a way, I think it is a stage to test the soundness of politics in Korea. I think the most important thing now is not the interests of political factions, but the future of the country and the people, protecting constitutional order and liberal democracy, and also creating a soil where healthy conservatives and healthy progress grow. To do this, the people should judge and evaluate political groups with a more mature sense of citizenship and give them a chance. Also, I think our politicians should look at the people, judge, think, and have more courage to communicate with each other.

◇ Shin Yul: I see. Thank you for your words today. Until now, I was Kim Sang-wook, a member of the People's Power.