■ Host: anchor Sung Moon-gyu, anchor Yoo Da-won
■ Starring: former Saenuri Party lawmaker Chung Ok-im, former Democratic Party lawmaker Shin Kyung-min
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[Anchor]
The emergency martial law was lifted six hours after the declaration, but the aftermath of the martial law declaration continues until now. Let's talk with Chung Ok-im, a former member of the Saenuri Party, and Shin Kyung-min, a former member of the Democratic Party. Welcome, two of you. [Anchor] I don't know where you were yesterday.Ma's situation was very urgent last night from the declaration of the emergency decree to the lifting of the emergency decree, so how do you feel about this situation?
[Nice]
Actually, we're a generation that really experienced emergency martial law when we were in school. So I know how severe the meaning of emergency martial law is. However, I don't think anyone imagined that in Korea, which has risen to the 21st century's advanced ranks, it would be declared in the middle of the night. For a moment, the first reaction was to doubt whether it was real or fake. But there was a moment when it really appeared as a true story, and then there was a moment when I was surprised at how this could happen, even though it wasn't appropriate for broadcasting terms. I've refined the broadcast terminology, and anyhow, the National Assembly passed a resolution to quickly lift martial law, so I was able to go to bed with ease.
[Anchor]
Where was Representative Shin yesterday?
[nervous]
I was watching another program at home at that time yesterday, and it was an entertainment program, and the subtitles suddenly came up. So I thought there was something wrong with this, so I turned on the YTN news channel and he was seriously hosting the news. But after listening to it all the time, I can't understand what you mean. They call the opposition a pro-North Korean force, so I think this is not a political term. Anyway, it is true that the opposition party harasses President Yoon and the ruling party. If you lose in the general election in April, you should accept being bullied as your fate and think about how to overcome it politically, but you suddenly define it as a pro-North Korean force and a force that wants to completely overturn the country, and conclude that you will do emergency martial law for this. I feel like a missile suddenly came out of the fight in the upper and lower neighborhoods. So it's not suitable for emergency martial law reasons. Emergency martial law is not right here. So the talk goes on for a long time, but it won't be an issue that will go on for a long time. I went to bed with that prediction that it will be different after we sleep, but the helicopter... I live in Yeouido, but the helicopter kept flying, so I couldn't fall asleep. Then, when I heard that the meeting would be held at the National Assembly, I thought that the situation would end, but in the end, I was able to go to bed with the expectation that it would end up as a dream of a midwinter night, and I predicted that it would eventually become a dream of the same, not a dream of the same.
[Anchor]
People who remember the 9/11 incident remember what I did at the time at the same time. It's such a shocking incident, but I think it'll be the same this time. On the other hand, foreign media are also reporting on this incident with great importance. While talking about the declaration of emergency martial law, he was making analyses such as self-coup, desperate gambling, and self-serving.
[Nice]
This is the level at which Korea is culturally dominating the world by the younger generation. And in terms of economy, national security, or defense, it is now an advanced country that moves back and forth in the top 10. So it's hard to imagine a situation like this. But he declared martial law. Then martial law is usually declared by the president when you look at Latin America, where politics is very confusing. So there's a lot of political repression. And then the president is impeached again. In the meantime, there are only such countries in which the economy has completely collapsed despite the large number of resources as the political situation became unstable. Still, the fact that we are an advanced country is that the so-called martial law situation was resolved in a total of six hours and two hours after the real martial law took effect means that we still have an advanced consciousness, culture, and system. Why did the president still declare martial law? And there's something called martial law that we went through. But martial law is completely different now. So even though martial law was declared, how martial law should be done is the same as the decree. What I thought was really funny was that I just got a call from the broadcasting station. I'm asking you to tell me about this. But martial law is basically the control of the basic rights of the people. That's why the assembly association has no freedom to publish the press. So, when martial law takes effect, major broadcasting stations are originally controlled, but it was a bit of a puzzle that such a thing was not achieved and that the Central Election Commission was reported by the martial law army. Then, if you look at Pogo-ryeong, there is a saying that you will be punished, a medical doctor. So, martial law was so clumsy that I thought, "After 40 years, I didn't know what it was and I didn't know what it was." And I feel very sad that this martial law itself has resulted in a real decline in the honor of the military and the honor of the conservative party once again.
[Anchor]
The person who proposed the declaration of the emergency martial law is known as Defense Minister Kim Yong-hyun. However, when this suspicion was raised only three months ago, he denied it again. Let's hear how they talked about it.
[Minister of Defense Kim Yong-hyun (September 2) : Regarding martial law issues. You have said many things, but if we do martial law in the current situation in Korea, which people would tolerate it? And will you follow my lead? Honestly, I don't think I'll follow. So this martial law issue is a little out of date right now, I think so. So I'm saying that you don't have to worry too much. ]
[Anchor]
Minister Kim Yong-hyun made the remarks at the National Assembly in September, but in a word, the atmosphere is not ridiculous. That's how we talked.
[nervous]
It might not have been there then. What the president himself said yesterday through his own mouth is that he speaks deplorably about the changes in the situation after September. We talked about deplorable things. But if you look at what he said yesterday, you feel that you are very anxious. First, the prosecutor's impeachment. Once the prosecutor's impeachment is transferred to the Constitutional Court, the entire Deutsche Motors issue will be heard there. The impeachment of the Board of Audit and Inspection has been suspended for a while.If Ma is impeached, he has no choice but to talk about the audit of his official residence. In addition, when the special prosecutor enters the special prosecutor's office, not only Kim Gun-hee and Chae Sang-byung, but also Myung Tae-kyun, the special prosecutor, are now being discussed. If this happens, all of this starts with anger and Kim Gun-hee has to do the independent counsel. Also, Chae must have already agreed on the national affairs and the ruling and opposition parties. Then, this is a raging problem, and Colonel Park Jung-hoon's problem should come out again. And Mrs. Kim's second vote is scheduled for the 10th, and I don't know what's going to happen, but anyway, it's tentatively decided for the 10th. If this happens, it will inevitably be a painful day in December and January when this will proceed. I think I'm very emotionally anxious and weak right now.
[Anchor]
Who are you talking about?
[nervous]
It's the president. And I feel isolated. But yesterday, there were only nine members of the State Council who gathered temporarily. There are 10 people including the president, but 9 people opposed it except for the president. All nine people said they were against it, especially Prime Minister Han, who conforms very much, but he said very strongly that he couldn't do it. I said no for 30 minutes. Even before the Cabinet meeting, he said no at the private meeting. Nevertheless, the president's stubbornness is very heavy and isolated right now. I've probably never had a political conversation between the ruling and opposition parties that should solve this.
[Anchor]
Then, Minister Kim Yong-hyun proposed to President Yoon and did emergency martial law, what do you think of this?
[nervous]
I don't know what comes first. I'm sure this question doesn't come out much right now, but we have to hold a hearing on this issue, the emergency martial law issue, and we have to do a national inspection. In fact, if it were the United States Congress, we would have to hold a joint standing committee. We need to hold a joint standing committee with the National Defense Commission, the Public Administration and Security Commission and the Steering Committee and hold various meetings on this. If you call Minister Kim Yong-hyun and call people involved, it will probably come back and forth. As Minister Kim Yong-hyun, we don't know the truth right now, but he thinks it's very politically for him to take the blame first.
[Anchor]
That's why the National Defense Commission will call you tomorrow for a question on pending issues.
[nervous]
It's not to that extent, and at least three standing committees should secure large standing committees and call them all there, and the line should be like this and the latter. I don't think it's a problem that can be done by just one defense committee. I think the police leadership, including the military leadership, should come in. And the presidential office should also come. If you come and look at it, the truth will be revealed if several people put this story together and keep it together. I need to figure out whether Minister Kim Yong-hyun comes first or the president comes first.
[Anchor] Did you make
suggestions or suggestions?
[nervous]
That's right. We have to guess whether the president took the lead first or Minister Kim took the lead first.
[Anchor]
Minister Kim is between President Yoon and Chungam High School. That's why they are classified as closest aides, but this time, there seems to be a rumor behind the Chungam High School line.
[Nice]
In fact, Minister Kim Yong-hyun told the National Assembly that martial law is impossible, but there were voices from the Democratic Party of Korea raising various suspicions about not only the Chungam High School line, especially those from Chungam High School, but also that they met behind closed doors. Especially with Rep. Kim Min-seok at the center. Then, at least to show that the claim made by Rep. Kim Min-seok is wrong, it is propaganda, and even if he thought of it, he should not have done it. Nevertheless, it's a pity that Kim Min-seok's claim is quite trusted by people, and no matter what Kim Min-seok claims, people are now believing in it. Then Minister Kim Yong-hyun may think it's loyalty and loyalty to his boss, but it's a twisted loyalty. In the first place, for example, it was very controversial because he protected his mouth while serving as a security chief somewhere. Also, if you look at his recent remarks at the National Assembly, he even became controversial at the National Assembly for making remarks that he couldn't say. On the other hand, the so-called president recently played golf with military personnel with non-commissioned officers. The expression was that the non-commissioned officers were so moved that they liked golfing with the president as if they had won the lottery. You may think you are loyal to this expression, but I can tell you that this is very twisted. Because during Trump's first term. That's when black people started a riot about black discrimination. Then Trump orders us to mobilize the National Guard to suppress it. Then the Secretary of Defense of the United States and then the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff refuse. That's not right. So, even if it's a supervisor's order, it's necessary to judge whether it's legally and morally right or not, but if nine people at the Cabinet meeting objected, does that mean that Kim Yong-hyun also opposed it in theory? Like that, me too. In addition, when the Minister of Defense or the Minister of the Interior and Safety suggests the process of declaring martial law or emergency martial law, the president declares it after deliberation by the State Council. Because it's like this, is it coming out now that you suggested it?
[Anchor]
due to the legitimacy of the procedure
[Nice]
That's right. So it's a situation that we can't check right now, but it's not loyalty. In the end, as you said, the president is already experiencing a lot of stress because of his relationship with the opposition party regarding state affairs, but the current situation has doubled.
[Anchor]
In the end, President Yoon Suk Yeol took out a card called emergency martial law at the risk of political damage, and questions about this background are also growing. Let's first listen to the ruling and opposition parties' remarks.
[Kim Min-seok/MBC Radio 'Kim Jong-bae's Attention'] In the end, the fanatical obsession to stop Special Prosecutor Kim Gun-hee came to an end by breaking down the constitutional order at any cost. // The main motive is that I don't want to go to jail Kim Gun-hee. // In the end, as the truth was revealed, the accident was made to preserve the self of those who were forced to go to prison. ]
[Lee Jun-seok / Rep. of the New Reform Party (CBS Radio 'Kim Hyun-jung's News Show'): What happened three hours before declaring martial law was that there was a certain indictment and a statement on Myung Tae-kyun. // Perhaps the president of Yoon Suk Yeol obtained it and decided that he would not be able to survive here in a normal way. // But President Yoon Suk Yeol may have just done it because he's a really weird person. ]
[Anchor]
In the end, Kim Gun-hee's independent counsel's blocking or Myung Tae-kyun's issues were cited as the background of the pressure. How did you see it?
[nervous]
That's a possibility. It feels like each issue is being squeezed. And it's not going to be easy to endure because after December, it's January, it's February, it's going to be a very uncertain future where you don't know what's going to explode. In addition, President Yoon grew up in the fact that the organizational culture is a very dictatorial prosecutor. And even now, from Yongsan, no one can stand in front of President Yoon and say, "This is not how we should do this." Since Yongsan is dominated by such an organizational culture, it must have been very difficult for the opposition party to endure this tightening situation, step by step. That's why I brought out the missile as a way to wipe it out at once, but the fight between the ruling and opposition parties is a fight between the upper and lower neighborhoods. It's really ridiculous that I'm doing this with a missile and a poorly planned emergency martial law. Yesterday, I saw the soldiers coming and walking around, and I could feel from their steps and actions that these soldiers don't really want to do martial law. This will never succeed. He came out with a card that could not succeed politically but could not succeed militarily.
[Anchor]
I see. But some in the ruling party said this word was included in the presidential statement of Yoon Suk Yeol yesterday. It's called BTS. Representative Lee Jae-myung's bulletproof National Assembly triggered the incident, and some members of the ruling party also said it, and President Yoon Suk Yeol said it himself. What did you think of this part?
[Nice]
Mayor Oh Se-hoon said that. The behavior of Lee Jae-myung, the leader of the Democratic Party, for BTS was so diverse. There were also a lot of criticisms about it. However, the issue is serious now that the criticism of making it martial law is much greater than the criticism of Lee Jae-myung's representative BTS. I came out with a missile, but I thought it was a missile, but now I'm in the shape of a thermos bottle, if you look at it as a result. Because even the best special forces in Korea were deployed out of 280 people, and when they withdrew, they bowed their heads 90 degrees and repeatedly said sorry to the citizens. Of course, many people were excited to see them break windows and head to the main office with rifles, but they were ordered to come into their consciousness, but isn't this wrong? Back in the day, when we were young. Once the students resisted, they hit people on the head with a wooden board, and we were the ones who experienced it, so I thought that it was a soldier who came in under martial law. But such martial law is supposed to be during wars and events, and the military used it for domestic politics and still had that yoke, but doesn't it give such an excuse to the Democratic Party of Korea, which makes it completely simple for people in the conservative camp to declare martial law? In that sense, it's really deplorable.
[Anchor]
Therefore, he said that the cause of the cause was the opposition party's representative Lee Jae-myung's bulletproof body, but now, especially Representative Shin, he rather flew a missile to bulletproof the issue, which President Yoon is tightening with various special prosecutors.
[nervous]
It's Picha BTS. This is bulletproof vs. bulletproof, but President Yoon's sense of isolation, excessive desire to resolve this at once, and almost no one in the organizational culture says no, but this time, even though the ministers said no, they just went quickly and left. So this was that an unchecked organizational culture dominated Yongsan. President Yoon is still not matured as a politician. That's why we're talking about the opposition party as a pro-North Korean anti-state force. And they say it's a criminal group. I'm sure you've read that aspect. Nevertheless, missiles should not be fired between the ruling and opposition parties. First of all, you have to talk and appeal to the public opinion, you have to appeal to the public's emotions and appeal in a right and wrong way. If you put it like this and bomb it with missiles. But it turned out that it wasn't a missile, but you said it was a thermos bottle, but the missile was an empty missile. Even if you make a mistake, you don't usually make a big mistake. But what's coming out now is that President Yoon is saying that he didn't do much wrong. If this happens, we don't know where our politics will go.
[Anchor]
That's why there is a strong backlash in the political world. Even within the ruling party, there have been calls for President Yoon's defection as a follow-up measure, but it has not yet been concluded. Let's listen to it first.
[Han Dong-hoon / Leader of the People's Power Party (right after the general meeting of lawmakers): The first was the resignation of the cabinet, the second was the strict responsibility for those responsible, such as the dismissal of the defense minister, and the third was the president's demand for leaving the party. At the general meeting of the lawmakers, there were a lot of random discussions. As for the first and second proposals, we have generally gathered (opinions). There are many opinions on the third proposal, so I would like to say that we have tentatively concluded that we will continue to listen to them. That's all I can say. ]
[Choo Kyung-ho / People's Power Floor Leader: (The opposition party is talking about impeachment or applying rebellion to the president's emergency martial law. What do you think about this part of the ruling party? ) That part will be held at an appropriate time in the afternoon, so we will understand the situation of the Democratic Party a little more and gather the opinions of the lawmakers to tell you. ]
[Han Dong-hoon / Leader of the People's Power Party] I think it could be confusing for us to explain the Democratic Party's various arguments and various stories one by one. (There was confusion between the lawmakers going to the headquarters and going to the headquarters during the night? ) I don't think it's that big of a problem. ]
[Anchor]
In the case of two issues, the dismissal of Defense Minister Kim Yong-hyun or the resignation of the Cabinet, the two issues are being decided, but lawmakers are still divided on the demand for President Yoon to leave the party.
[Nice]
In fact, I remember being on the show and criticizing and pointing out a lot about representative Han Dong-hoon, the power of the people. I really want to applaud CEO Han Dong-hoon's behavior in yesterday's situation. Since representative Han Dong-hoon and a few others did their part as lawmakers in the resolution to lift the emergency martial law immediately, if there were no such people and if representative Han Dong-hoon's attitude did not stand out at first, the people's power would be quite likely to be sold in such a way as just pursuing the dictatorship at a wholesale level. But before CEO Lee Jae-myung, if I remember correctly, this is not it. I will block this martial law with the people, it came out like this.
[Anchor]
It came out 15 minutes after martial law was declared.
[Nice]
That's right. He expressed his will very quickly and firmly, and appealed to the military and police after the resolution at the National Assembly was passed. In the end, if you follow this, you will be punished together for the wrong order. So, it showed that the ruling party was responsible for protecting the people's power against not doing so.
The opposition party is going crazy because the president has left the party as a solution at a time when people say that the president had a big accident while waiting at the party, not at the National Assembly. But why would CEO Han Dong-hoon talk about leaving the party? In the end, in order for the conservative party to survive and then create its own thread of hope in the re-creation of the regime, it must eventually secure time here. Then, why is the people's power still speaking out about leaving the party, not about what steps they are close to and close to each other? If you impeach them, there is no time for the people's power. The president is impeached. Then, the government is handed over to representative Lee Jae-myung. I don't know if I'm telling you too much in a raw way. That's why we leave the party as the CEO suggests. Then the Minister of Defense made a suggestion, so we should dismiss him. He says he's resigning, so it's right to dismiss him. However, if the president is very passive about this, and the media says, "I already told the media that I did it because of the Democratic Party's tyranny, why did I do it so badly?" If the current public anger gauge exceeds about 8, it will quickly exceed 15.
[Anchor]
Lawmaker Chung, but they said they did an emergency gun today. Even representative Han Dong-hoon gathered and held an emergency gun, and it is said that there was this talk about leaving the party. It is not desirable at this point among pro-Yoon-gye seniors. Because with half the term left, it only lowers the power of state administration, how did you hear the story?
[Nice]
The power of state administration? If there is a psychological and political driving force now, would the president be so frustrated that he would declare an emergency martial law? Since there is no national power, I can't agree with myself anyway, but I'm not saying that I did it with a desperate heart. Didn't you ask him to help me just once? Anyway, didn't you? But the lawmakers are really full. Do you know why these people are so full? I was elected in Yeongnam, which is a very vegetable garden. Regardless of what happens to the president, he can continue there as long as he gets a good nomination in his term. At times like this, there are representatives of Han Dong-hoon and the chairman of the outside committee. struggling in the Seoul metropolitan area You have to listen carefully to what these people are talking about. We're not in a situation where we're just listening to our warm garden, are we? However, it is 7:3 against leaving the party. It's similar to the old special inspector. The Democratic Party of Korea is making a fuss about the special prosecutor, but they seemed to be fighting each other with it, but now the special prosecutor is meaningless. In the end, as representative Han Dong-hoon said, we should make such a political gesture to gradually subside this angry public sentiment by giving him a card to defect.
[Anchor]
As lawmaker Chung said, he said that if the chairmen of the party cooperation committee outside the metropolitan area and the Gangwon People's Power outside the party don't leave the party, he will refer them to the ethics committee and get them out of the party.
[nervous]
I think it's true that there's talk of expulsion or expulsion. And there are people who are saying this publicly. However, the talk of leaving the party may subside for a moment, but if the Gallup poll comes out later this week, the report card can't be good. Because this is what happened on Tuesday, Gallup polls will have well-reflected public opinion.
[Anchor]
It was 19% last week.
[nervous]
So it can't come out well this week because it's clear that the results of the opinion polls that fully reflect the current situation and the emergency martial law situation we're talking about will come out.
[Anchor]
What do you expect?
[nervous]
I think I'm going to go down a lot more. It became impossible to maintain 19. I don't know if this will be halved or higher than halved, but if a bad report card comes out, the story of leaving the party will naturally come out again even if it subsides this time. So yesterday's situation was white or impeached. You have to choose between these, and if it's not a resignation or impeachment, then you have to choose between the options of defection, expulsion, or withdrawal, and it's hard to just go like this. That's why Jung Kook is going into a completely dark Jung Kook that you can't even see in front of 1 mm. The resignation of the cabinet is good, but I think it's time to think about it after the resignation of the cabinet. There is only a national emergency cabinet. But if that happens, there will be another gap in state administration for a fairly long period of time. It's not like that. We have to have a hearing, and we have to choose a person before that. It's not an easy task to choose a good person from the ruling party or opposition parties. If that happens, the first half of 25 will just pass by.
[Anchor]
The confusion will inevitably grow, but there are also criticisms of floor leader Choo Kyung-ho. In the process of convening a general meeting of lawmakers, there is a story that the venue was changed about four or five times, and this has caused confusion.
[Nice]
As a result, there were voices raising suspicions that they intentionally changed the venue to prevent them from entering the plenary session. However, if you look at interviews with close people on the broadcast, even though CEO Han Dong-hoon suggested that we move together because he is here at the plenary session, he is at the main office and the rest of the lawmakers are told to go to the central headquarters, so only a few people were able to attend in the end. If floor leader Choo Kyung-ho knows the value of conservatism, he shouldn't do this. The value of conservatism now is the value of the Constitution. It's liberal democracy. However, if you say you will do such emergency martial law that limits the basic rights of liberal democracy even though it is not a war, you must have the determination to say, "This is not it." And the floor leader told me to go to the central headquarters, so what else are the lawmakers there? It's a constitutional institution. How big is the role and authority of the constitutional institution. Then, as a member of the imposing conservative party, it was right to go and vote for yourself, saying, "This is not right." At least, I told you earlier. Since the party leader and a handful of lawmakers went and exercised their right to vote in the plenary session of the National Assembly as members of the people's power, I can guarantee that the people's power is worth this much.
[nervous]
If I add one more word, according to the National Assembly Act, there is a crime of obstruction of the National Assembly. Whether a member of the National Assembly becomes a permanent chairman or a plenary session chairman, he or she is supposed to be punished for preventing him or her from entering it. You'll be punished for that. This is a criminal punishment. And lawmakers have the freedom to vote in attendance. Moreover, this is to lift martial law. Then we should go over the mountain and across the water. This has to go. The speaker of the National Assembly is also going over the wall, but the speaker said, "I'm at the headquarters across from the National Assembly when the person looking at me is going over the wall the day after tomorrow." Even those such as floor leader Choo Kyung-ho are in the main office of the National Assembly, and if you take a few steps, it's the plenary session hall, but you didn't go there on purpose. This is the constitutional order for martial law to be lifted. What kind of friendship do you have here and close friends with? This person doesn't qualify as a member of the National Assembly, but he doesn't qualify as a floor leader. I did something yesterday that should be disciplined and criminally punished. This is a very serious matter. This should at least go to the disciplinary committee. It should be disciplined by the party, but it should also be disciplined by the National Assembly.
[Anchor]
Rep. Kim Sang-wook continues to speak out the loudest about that. In any case, the resignation of the cabinet was done, and all the senior secretaries, including Chief of Staff Jeong Jin-seok of the Presidential Office, expressed their resignation. By the way, Prime Minister Han told the members of the State Council to continue their duties, so is this an appropriate measure, what do you think from Prime Minister Han's point of view?
[nervous]
Prime Minister Han says so, but he seems to be thinking about quitting. However, if the ruling party is talking about the resignation of the cabinet at this point, it would be right to quit. It would be right to resign first. I don't know how the president handles this, but it's not easy for the president to quit in the presidential system. However, if you resign, this is a big event, so it's time to consider the resignation of the cabinet very carefully and seriously because it's been a long time since you've been cutting the prime minister and the minister.
[Anchor]
Attention is also expected to be drawn to how President Yoon Suk Yeol will handle it in the future, but he has not yet issued an additional message. How would you state your position if you were me?
[Nice]
Not only that, but I met with the prime minister, the president, the representative, and a few senior members of the party, and the president's office did not say to leave the party. That's why there was no suggestion to leave the party. I think it means that no one heard it. However, I think it is correct to say that I voluntarily leave the party even though I didn't hear the suggestion. It's my personal opinion. And after the resignation of the cabinet, the secretaries resigned. Then, the presidential secretary's office has changed completely, and isn't there a lot of challenges and crises in the economy and society right now regarding the resignation of the cabinet? So, I have a personal opinion that why don't we reject the resignation and make the state affairs stable?
Instead, why don't we leave the party, then completely change the secretary's office, and then proceed with the Marine investigation anyway? In addition, there is the issue of Kim Gun-hee's special prosecutor. And you're not saying you're going to vote on impeachment on Friday. But in the end, the important card is held by the power of the people, those eight votes. Then, although at least these eight people showed the extraordinary behavior of being really emergency martial law, impeaching them now has no other consequence than giving political opportunities to the Democratic Party leader, who has a lot of judicial risks. While explaining various things like that. Anyway, don't you have to give your own justification to oppose impeachment? Aren't you showing various aspects of self-reflection and reflection, such as leaving the party, and shouldn't you change your secretary's office? Of course, it's purely a personal opinion.
[Anchor]
I see. Then we'll listen to a recording and continue with this story. Today, the opposition party officially announced a charge and impeachment against President Yoon Suk Yeol, Defense Minister Kim Yong-hyun, and Public Administration and Security Minister Lee Sang-min. Let's listen to the opposition leadership's remarks.
[Lee Jae-myung / Democratic Party leader: There is also a limit to putting up with it. You can't take it anymore, can you? // People's Power I want to say to the people of this country who support the people's power. President Yoon Suk Yeol appears to be in a state where it is difficult to make a normal and reasonable judgment. ]
[Park Chan-dae / Floor Leader of the Democratic Party of Korea: Declaration of emergency martial law is a reason for impeachment for violating the Constitution and the law. // The Yoon Suk Yeol is the head of the civil war stipulated in our Constitution. Yoon Suk Yeol, the head of the civil war, should step down as president immediately. // People's Power Members, listen to the angry voices of the people. Listen to the sound of conscience coming up from the bottom of your chest. ]
[Anchor]
Impeachment, these two letters have been forbidden for Democrats. Then, the atmosphere changed dramatically to a state of emergency.
[nervous]
That's right. This is a big issue. Even if individual lawmakers talked about impeachment and said nothing, in fact, some members of the leadership did not talk about impeachment, especially Chairman Lee Jae-myung said similar things. He expressed that he should come down, but he said that this should come down, not impeachment. I went into limbo like this, but now everyone, including CEO Lee Jae-myung, is talking about impeachment. The Democratic Party of Korea did not sympathize with the impeachment bill even though Chairman Cho Kuk continued to talk about impeachment on the street and in the National Assembly. But now we're going together. And he quickly turns the clock very quickly and votes quickly. And the time for voting is set right now. It's supposed to be between 24 and 72 hours after reporting, so we have to finish everything within this week.
[Anchor]
Tonight, so it's tomorrow morning, and they'll report after midnight.
[Nervous]
Report and then vote within this week. But how likely is this? In the end, CEO Han Dong-hoon's expression of intention seems to be very decisive. However, lifting martial law is lifting martial law and impeachment is impeachment. Impeachment should be decided by the National Assembly first and a vote should be held here, so in the end, if you get 18 or very few votes, it's eight votes. If this happens, not only lawmakers on the close side but also members of the People's Power who are standing in the middle can move on because they think this is not possible. So I think it's right that it's a very dangerous situation right now. In particular, he is looking at CEO Han Dong-hoon's mouth right now, but CEO Han Dong-hoon never opens his mouth. I'm not doing anything.
[Anchor]
Why?
[nervous]
For Han Dong-hoon, it is absolutely not in favor of Han Dong-hoon to quickly enter the presidential election phase tactically. So tactically, I don't want to go into impeachment now or step down because the president really suddenly wants to quit me. I don't want this. I don't think it's advantageous for Representative Lee Jae-myung to go back to the presidential election mode right now because he/she is showing remorse somehow and passing the impeachment and resigning, not thinking about it.
[Anchor]
How do you predict that the vote on impeachment should not come out from the people's power?
[Nice]
The Democratic Party seems to have high expectations for impeachment because about four votes were cast during the special prosecution of Kim Gun-hee last time. And I think 18 people attended the resolution to lift the martial law declaration this time, so I think I expect that, as long as I get eight votes. But impeachment is impeachment and martial law is martial law. In addition to the president's self-reflection and failure to show such things, some powerful lawmakers of the people who saw armed soldiers enter the National Assembly yesterday expressed their anger, saying, "I will support impeachment this time." And lawmakers will make autonomous decisions because they are constitutional institutions, but if you think about it with a cool head, as Representative Shin Kyung-min said, in the end, unless it is a result other than the transfer of power to the Democratic Party of Korea by Representative Lee Jae-myung, the political party has to think very deeply about this issue.
[Anchor]
So, the impeachment and the president's own resignation are all burdensome in the power of the people to give up the government at this point. So what choice do you have?
[Nice]
As a result, the Democratic Party of Korea now accuses them of rebellion, because they are not criminally prosecuted except for rebellion and foreign exchange. So the civil war is very serious, and even during the president's term, it's legally possible to take action. As a result, the Democratic Party of Korea is looking at those eight people, and in this situation, they continue to hold public rallies under the guise of so-called civic groups, right? And the people's hearts have begun to change a lot since yesterday. In this situation, as a people's power, we need to think strategically about what legitimate alternatives are available to secure time.
[Anchor]
What's that?
[Nice]
In my view, there is only a constitutional amendment to shorten the term of office. However, as the Democratic Party demands, if we want to amend the constitution next year, we need to match the elections of local governments and lawmakers. Then, there is one way to make a proposal in this way, such as the year after the local elections, but it is the position of the people's strong pro-Yoon loyalists that there is no constitutional amendment to shorten the term, no resignation, no impeachment, and no defections. But the problem with this is whether the people in the middle, the people who decide the trend, will accept it.
[nervous]
In the short term, we will first make a thorough reflection and apology. And you have to go to the national neutral cabinet and the national emergency cabinet. Let's put forward a real prime minister with a nice guy and ministers stop being weirdos. President Yoon should change his style by making a cabinet with people who can talk about it. Don't get mad. It really changes the style. It gives the impression that a person has changed. If you propose a constitutional amendment to shorten your term and make it clear that when you will step down, there is a possibility that the people will forgive you if you promise to step down in an orderly manner. This is a possibility, not necessarily forgiving. Orderly resignation and such things as thorough reflection, apology, and transformation should be the premise.
[Anchor]
I see. Today, the impeachment motion and the presidential impeachment motion will be submitted to the National Assembly today. Tonight, so the plenary session will be held right after midnight, and today's report will be held, and this will be voted on within 72 hours after 24 hours, so Friday or Saturday.
[nervous]
It'll be in the weekend.
[Anchor]
I'm expecting that. However, even if such a procedure is passed, even if the National Assembly decides like this, the next procedure is judged by the Constitutional Court. However, there should be a total of nine constitutional judges, but there are only six right now.
[nervous]
That's why the ruling and opposition parties should recommend it now. That's why the opposition party recommended it today. So this is also a change of attitude from what has come so far because it shows the will to organize quickly. That's why the Constitutional Court has to be formed quickly, but for the Constitutional Court to do this, all the judges have to hold a hearing and vote at the plenary session, so in fact, this should proceed quickly to another track.
[Anchor]
That's why the Democratic Party is now speeding up in that area as well...
[nervous]
That's what I'm saying. The ruling and opposition parties have been passive so far, but now I don't know what the ruling party will do if the opposition party actively comes out. So, the hands of the clock should turn quickly, but it's hard to promise whether it will happen.
[Anchor]
I would like to applaud Representative Chung for his attitude when representative Han Dong-hoon dealt with the situation earlier. You told me that. Then, this time, CEO Han Dong-hoon and CEO Lee Jae-myung drew a resolution to lift martial law, but do you think he expressed his presence more as the next runner?
[Nice]
In the meantime, representative Han Dong-hoon has been criticized for the party's bulletin board and the issue of Chae Sang-byung as the party leader, and there have been many voices pointing out the behavior of representative Han Dong-hoon on the party's bulletin board. And as you can see now, I don't think the position within the party is that strong. Members are not so cooperative. In such a situation, the score has risen by showing such a position very quickly and reasonably in this situation, but even now, representative Lee Jae-myung exceeds 40% when polling between presidential candidates. However, representative Han Dong-hoon is in the 10% range, but none of the other ruling party's runners come out like that. In this situation, haven't we experienced impeachment? I did it, and after impeachment, I have a painful memory of all politics excluding conservative parties, and I repeat this again? It's going to be hard to imagine. Then, in order not to repeat such a situation, we need to think about what strategic alternatives can be made to approach the people more.
[Anchor]
That's why the opposition continues to have second and third characters appearing, and they're emerging. In particular, former Gyeongnam Governor Kim Kyung-soo will return home tomorrow. Gyeonggi Governor Kim Dong-yeon said he would return home tomorrow and said he should arrest President Yoon, not impeach him now.
[nervous]
I said it hard. It's all related. Opposition runners have moved faster. The other is that Lee Jae-myung, the representative, made very good results through the rulings on November 15th and 25th, but the other was very bad. The emergency martial law situation is a situation, and representative Lee Jae-myung's judicial risk is also rolling to the judicial risk. Then there is a high possibility that this will go very quickly. In that case, there is a possibility that Lee Jae-myung's second trial and part of the first trial will come out next summer, so regardless of this situation, the Democratic Party of Korea or the opposition party has no choice but to prepare Plan B. So it's rolling like this. So, the confrontation between the ruling and opposition parties and this inside the National Power Party is going to roll as it is, and the Democratic Party's and the opposition's Plan B is going to roll as Plan B, so the political situation will be very complicated.
[Anchor]
I see. So far, I have been with Chung Ok-im, a former member of the Saenuri Party, and Shin Kyung-min, a former member of the Democratic Party of Korea. Thank you both for talking today.
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[Anchor]
The emergency martial law was lifted six hours after the declaration, but the aftermath of the martial law declaration continues until now. Let's talk with Chung Ok-im, a former member of the Saenuri Party, and Shin Kyung-min, a former member of the Democratic Party. Welcome, two of you. [Anchor] I don't know where you were yesterday.Ma's situation was very urgent last night from the declaration of the emergency decree to the lifting of the emergency decree, so how do you feel about this situation?
[Nice]
Actually, we're a generation that really experienced emergency martial law when we were in school. So I know how severe the meaning of emergency martial law is. However, I don't think anyone imagined that in Korea, which has risen to the 21st century's advanced ranks, it would be declared in the middle of the night. For a moment, the first reaction was to doubt whether it was real or fake. But there was a moment when it really appeared as a true story, and then there was a moment when I was surprised at how this could happen, even though it wasn't appropriate for broadcasting terms. I've refined the broadcast terminology, and anyhow, the National Assembly passed a resolution to quickly lift martial law, so I was able to go to bed with ease.
[Anchor]
Where was Representative Shin yesterday?
[nervous]
I was watching another program at home at that time yesterday, and it was an entertainment program, and the subtitles suddenly came up. So I thought there was something wrong with this, so I turned on the YTN news channel and he was seriously hosting the news. But after listening to it all the time, I can't understand what you mean. They call the opposition a pro-North Korean force, so I think this is not a political term. Anyway, it is true that the opposition party harasses President Yoon and the ruling party. If you lose in the general election in April, you should accept being bullied as your fate and think about how to overcome it politically, but you suddenly define it as a pro-North Korean force and a force that wants to completely overturn the country, and conclude that you will do emergency martial law for this. I feel like a missile suddenly came out of the fight in the upper and lower neighborhoods. So it's not suitable for emergency martial law reasons. Emergency martial law is not right here. So the talk goes on for a long time, but it won't be an issue that will go on for a long time. I went to bed with that prediction that it will be different after we sleep, but the helicopter... I live in Yeouido, but the helicopter kept flying, so I couldn't fall asleep. Then, when I heard that the meeting would be held at the National Assembly, I thought that the situation would end, but in the end, I was able to go to bed with the expectation that it would end up as a dream of a midwinter night, and I predicted that it would eventually become a dream of the same, not a dream of the same.
[Anchor]
People who remember the 9/11 incident remember what I did at the time at the same time. It's such a shocking incident, but I think it'll be the same this time. On the other hand, foreign media are also reporting on this incident with great importance. While talking about the declaration of emergency martial law, he was making analyses such as self-coup, desperate gambling, and self-serving.
[Nice]
This is the level at which Korea is culturally dominating the world by the younger generation. And in terms of economy, national security, or defense, it is now an advanced country that moves back and forth in the top 10. So it's hard to imagine a situation like this. But he declared martial law. Then martial law is usually declared by the president when you look at Latin America, where politics is very confusing. So there's a lot of political repression. And then the president is impeached again. In the meantime, there are only such countries in which the economy has completely collapsed despite the large number of resources as the political situation became unstable. Still, the fact that we are an advanced country is that the so-called martial law situation was resolved in a total of six hours and two hours after the real martial law took effect means that we still have an advanced consciousness, culture, and system. Why did the president still declare martial law? And there's something called martial law that we went through. But martial law is completely different now. So even though martial law was declared, how martial law should be done is the same as the decree. What I thought was really funny was that I just got a call from the broadcasting station. I'm asking you to tell me about this. But martial law is basically the control of the basic rights of the people. That's why the assembly association has no freedom to publish the press. So, when martial law takes effect, major broadcasting stations are originally controlled, but it was a bit of a puzzle that such a thing was not achieved and that the Central Election Commission was reported by the martial law army. Then, if you look at Pogo-ryeong, there is a saying that you will be punished, a medical doctor. So, martial law was so clumsy that I thought, "After 40 years, I didn't know what it was and I didn't know what it was." And I feel very sad that this martial law itself has resulted in a real decline in the honor of the military and the honor of the conservative party once again.
[Anchor]
The person who proposed the declaration of the emergency martial law is known as Defense Minister Kim Yong-hyun. However, when this suspicion was raised only three months ago, he denied it again. Let's hear how they talked about it.
[Minister of Defense Kim Yong-hyun (September 2) : Regarding martial law issues. You have said many things, but if we do martial law in the current situation in Korea, which people would tolerate it? And will you follow my lead? Honestly, I don't think I'll follow. So this martial law issue is a little out of date right now, I think so. So I'm saying that you don't have to worry too much. ]
[Anchor]
Minister Kim Yong-hyun made the remarks at the National Assembly in September, but in a word, the atmosphere is not ridiculous. That's how we talked.
[nervous]
It might not have been there then. What the president himself said yesterday through his own mouth is that he speaks deplorably about the changes in the situation after September. We talked about deplorable things. But if you look at what he said yesterday, you feel that you are very anxious. First, the prosecutor's impeachment. Once the prosecutor's impeachment is transferred to the Constitutional Court, the entire Deutsche Motors issue will be heard there. The impeachment of the Board of Audit and Inspection has been suspended for a while.If Ma is impeached, he has no choice but to talk about the audit of his official residence. In addition, when the special prosecutor enters the special prosecutor's office, not only Kim Gun-hee and Chae Sang-byung, but also Myung Tae-kyun, the special prosecutor, are now being discussed. If this happens, all of this starts with anger and Kim Gun-hee has to do the independent counsel. Also, Chae must have already agreed on the national affairs and the ruling and opposition parties. Then, this is a raging problem, and Colonel Park Jung-hoon's problem should come out again. And Mrs. Kim's second vote is scheduled for the 10th, and I don't know what's going to happen, but anyway, it's tentatively decided for the 10th. If this happens, it will inevitably be a painful day in December and January when this will proceed. I think I'm very emotionally anxious and weak right now.
[Anchor]
Who are you talking about?
[nervous]
It's the president. And I feel isolated. But yesterday, there were only nine members of the State Council who gathered temporarily. There are 10 people including the president, but 9 people opposed it except for the president. All nine people said they were against it, especially Prime Minister Han, who conforms very much, but he said very strongly that he couldn't do it. I said no for 30 minutes. Even before the Cabinet meeting, he said no at the private meeting. Nevertheless, the president's stubbornness is very heavy and isolated right now. I've probably never had a political conversation between the ruling and opposition parties that should solve this.
[Anchor]
Then, Minister Kim Yong-hyun proposed to President Yoon and did emergency martial law, what do you think of this?
[nervous]
I don't know what comes first. I'm sure this question doesn't come out much right now, but we have to hold a hearing on this issue, the emergency martial law issue, and we have to do a national inspection. In fact, if it were the United States Congress, we would have to hold a joint standing committee. We need to hold a joint standing committee with the National Defense Commission, the Public Administration and Security Commission and the Steering Committee and hold various meetings on this. If you call Minister Kim Yong-hyun and call people involved, it will probably come back and forth. As Minister Kim Yong-hyun, we don't know the truth right now, but he thinks it's very politically for him to take the blame first.
[Anchor]
That's why the National Defense Commission will call you tomorrow for a question on pending issues.
[nervous]
It's not to that extent, and at least three standing committees should secure large standing committees and call them all there, and the line should be like this and the latter. I don't think it's a problem that can be done by just one defense committee. I think the police leadership, including the military leadership, should come in. And the presidential office should also come. If you come and look at it, the truth will be revealed if several people put this story together and keep it together. I need to figure out whether Minister Kim Yong-hyun comes first or the president comes first.
[Anchor] Did you make
suggestions or suggestions?
[nervous]
That's right. We have to guess whether the president took the lead first or Minister Kim took the lead first.
[Anchor]
Minister Kim is between President Yoon and Chungam High School. That's why they are classified as closest aides, but this time, there seems to be a rumor behind the Chungam High School line.
[Nice]
In fact, Minister Kim Yong-hyun told the National Assembly that martial law is impossible, but there were voices from the Democratic Party of Korea raising various suspicions about not only the Chungam High School line, especially those from Chungam High School, but also that they met behind closed doors. Especially with Rep. Kim Min-seok at the center. Then, at least to show that the claim made by Rep. Kim Min-seok is wrong, it is propaganda, and even if he thought of it, he should not have done it. Nevertheless, it's a pity that Kim Min-seok's claim is quite trusted by people, and no matter what Kim Min-seok claims, people are now believing in it. Then Minister Kim Yong-hyun may think it's loyalty and loyalty to his boss, but it's a twisted loyalty. In the first place, for example, it was very controversial because he protected his mouth while serving as a security chief somewhere. Also, if you look at his recent remarks at the National Assembly, he even became controversial at the National Assembly for making remarks that he couldn't say. On the other hand, the so-called president recently played golf with military personnel with non-commissioned officers. The expression was that the non-commissioned officers were so moved that they liked golfing with the president as if they had won the lottery. You may think you are loyal to this expression, but I can tell you that this is very twisted. Because during Trump's first term. That's when black people started a riot about black discrimination. Then Trump orders us to mobilize the National Guard to suppress it. Then the Secretary of Defense of the United States and then the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff refuse. That's not right. So, even if it's a supervisor's order, it's necessary to judge whether it's legally and morally right or not, but if nine people at the Cabinet meeting objected, does that mean that Kim Yong-hyun also opposed it in theory? Like that, me too. In addition, when the Minister of Defense or the Minister of the Interior and Safety suggests the process of declaring martial law or emergency martial law, the president declares it after deliberation by the State Council. Because it's like this, is it coming out now that you suggested it?
[Anchor]
due to the legitimacy of the procedure
[Nice]
That's right. So it's a situation that we can't check right now, but it's not loyalty. In the end, as you said, the president is already experiencing a lot of stress because of his relationship with the opposition party regarding state affairs, but the current situation has doubled.
[Anchor]
In the end, President Yoon Suk Yeol took out a card called emergency martial law at the risk of political damage, and questions about this background are also growing. Let's first listen to the ruling and opposition parties' remarks.
[Kim Min-seok/MBC Radio 'Kim Jong-bae's Attention'] In the end, the fanatical obsession to stop Special Prosecutor Kim Gun-hee came to an end by breaking down the constitutional order at any cost. // The main motive is that I don't want to go to jail Kim Gun-hee. // In the end, as the truth was revealed, the accident was made to preserve the self of those who were forced to go to prison. ]
[Lee Jun-seok / Rep. of the New Reform Party (CBS Radio 'Kim Hyun-jung's News Show'): What happened three hours before declaring martial law was that there was a certain indictment and a statement on Myung Tae-kyun. // Perhaps the president of Yoon Suk Yeol obtained it and decided that he would not be able to survive here in a normal way. // But President Yoon Suk Yeol may have just done it because he's a really weird person. ]
[Anchor]
In the end, Kim Gun-hee's independent counsel's blocking or Myung Tae-kyun's issues were cited as the background of the pressure. How did you see it?
[nervous]
That's a possibility. It feels like each issue is being squeezed. And it's not going to be easy to endure because after December, it's January, it's February, it's going to be a very uncertain future where you don't know what's going to explode. In addition, President Yoon grew up in the fact that the organizational culture is a very dictatorial prosecutor. And even now, from Yongsan, no one can stand in front of President Yoon and say, "This is not how we should do this." Since Yongsan is dominated by such an organizational culture, it must have been very difficult for the opposition party to endure this tightening situation, step by step. That's why I brought out the missile as a way to wipe it out at once, but the fight between the ruling and opposition parties is a fight between the upper and lower neighborhoods. It's really ridiculous that I'm doing this with a missile and a poorly planned emergency martial law. Yesterday, I saw the soldiers coming and walking around, and I could feel from their steps and actions that these soldiers don't really want to do martial law. This will never succeed. He came out with a card that could not succeed politically but could not succeed militarily.
[Anchor]
I see. But some in the ruling party said this word was included in the presidential statement of Yoon Suk Yeol yesterday. It's called BTS. Representative Lee Jae-myung's bulletproof National Assembly triggered the incident, and some members of the ruling party also said it, and President Yoon Suk Yeol said it himself. What did you think of this part?
[Nice]
Mayor Oh Se-hoon said that. The behavior of Lee Jae-myung, the leader of the Democratic Party, for BTS was so diverse. There were also a lot of criticisms about it. However, the issue is serious now that the criticism of making it martial law is much greater than the criticism of Lee Jae-myung's representative BTS. I came out with a missile, but I thought it was a missile, but now I'm in the shape of a thermos bottle, if you look at it as a result. Because even the best special forces in Korea were deployed out of 280 people, and when they withdrew, they bowed their heads 90 degrees and repeatedly said sorry to the citizens. Of course, many people were excited to see them break windows and head to the main office with rifles, but they were ordered to come into their consciousness, but isn't this wrong? Back in the day, when we were young. Once the students resisted, they hit people on the head with a wooden board, and we were the ones who experienced it, so I thought that it was a soldier who came in under martial law. But such martial law is supposed to be during wars and events, and the military used it for domestic politics and still had that yoke, but doesn't it give such an excuse to the Democratic Party of Korea, which makes it completely simple for people in the conservative camp to declare martial law? In that sense, it's really deplorable.
[Anchor]
Therefore, he said that the cause of the cause was the opposition party's representative Lee Jae-myung's bulletproof body, but now, especially Representative Shin, he rather flew a missile to bulletproof the issue, which President Yoon is tightening with various special prosecutors.
[nervous]
It's Picha BTS. This is bulletproof vs. bulletproof, but President Yoon's sense of isolation, excessive desire to resolve this at once, and almost no one in the organizational culture says no, but this time, even though the ministers said no, they just went quickly and left. So this was that an unchecked organizational culture dominated Yongsan. President Yoon is still not matured as a politician. That's why we're talking about the opposition party as a pro-North Korean anti-state force. And they say it's a criminal group. I'm sure you've read that aspect. Nevertheless, missiles should not be fired between the ruling and opposition parties. First of all, you have to talk and appeal to the public opinion, you have to appeal to the public's emotions and appeal in a right and wrong way. If you put it like this and bomb it with missiles. But it turned out that it wasn't a missile, but you said it was a thermos bottle, but the missile was an empty missile. Even if you make a mistake, you don't usually make a big mistake. But what's coming out now is that President Yoon is saying that he didn't do much wrong. If this happens, we don't know where our politics will go.
[Anchor]
That's why there is a strong backlash in the political world. Even within the ruling party, there have been calls for President Yoon's defection as a follow-up measure, but it has not yet been concluded. Let's listen to it first.
[Han Dong-hoon / Leader of the People's Power Party (right after the general meeting of lawmakers): The first was the resignation of the cabinet, the second was the strict responsibility for those responsible, such as the dismissal of the defense minister, and the third was the president's demand for leaving the party. At the general meeting of the lawmakers, there were a lot of random discussions. As for the first and second proposals, we have generally gathered (opinions). There are many opinions on the third proposal, so I would like to say that we have tentatively concluded that we will continue to listen to them. That's all I can say. ]
[Choo Kyung-ho / People's Power Floor Leader: (The opposition party is talking about impeachment or applying rebellion to the president's emergency martial law. What do you think about this part of the ruling party? ) That part will be held at an appropriate time in the afternoon, so we will understand the situation of the Democratic Party a little more and gather the opinions of the lawmakers to tell you. ]
[Han Dong-hoon / Leader of the People's Power Party] I think it could be confusing for us to explain the Democratic Party's various arguments and various stories one by one. (There was confusion between the lawmakers going to the headquarters and going to the headquarters during the night? ) I don't think it's that big of a problem. ]
[Anchor]
In the case of two issues, the dismissal of Defense Minister Kim Yong-hyun or the resignation of the Cabinet, the two issues are being decided, but lawmakers are still divided on the demand for President Yoon to leave the party.
[Nice]
In fact, I remember being on the show and criticizing and pointing out a lot about representative Han Dong-hoon, the power of the people. I really want to applaud CEO Han Dong-hoon's behavior in yesterday's situation. Since representative Han Dong-hoon and a few others did their part as lawmakers in the resolution to lift the emergency martial law immediately, if there were no such people and if representative Han Dong-hoon's attitude did not stand out at first, the people's power would be quite likely to be sold in such a way as just pursuing the dictatorship at a wholesale level. But before CEO Lee Jae-myung, if I remember correctly, this is not it. I will block this martial law with the people, it came out like this.
[Anchor]
It came out 15 minutes after martial law was declared.
[Nice]
That's right. He expressed his will very quickly and firmly, and appealed to the military and police after the resolution at the National Assembly was passed. In the end, if you follow this, you will be punished together for the wrong order. So, it showed that the ruling party was responsible for protecting the people's power against not doing so.
The opposition party is going crazy because the president has left the party as a solution at a time when people say that the president had a big accident while waiting at the party, not at the National Assembly. But why would CEO Han Dong-hoon talk about leaving the party? In the end, in order for the conservative party to survive and then create its own thread of hope in the re-creation of the regime, it must eventually secure time here. Then, why is the people's power still speaking out about leaving the party, not about what steps they are close to and close to each other? If you impeach them, there is no time for the people's power. The president is impeached. Then, the government is handed over to representative Lee Jae-myung. I don't know if I'm telling you too much in a raw way. That's why we leave the party as the CEO suggests. Then the Minister of Defense made a suggestion, so we should dismiss him. He says he's resigning, so it's right to dismiss him. However, if the president is very passive about this, and the media says, "I already told the media that I did it because of the Democratic Party's tyranny, why did I do it so badly?" If the current public anger gauge exceeds about 8, it will quickly exceed 15.
[Anchor]
Lawmaker Chung, but they said they did an emergency gun today. Even representative Han Dong-hoon gathered and held an emergency gun, and it is said that there was this talk about leaving the party. It is not desirable at this point among pro-Yoon-gye seniors. Because with half the term left, it only lowers the power of state administration, how did you hear the story?
[Nice]
The power of state administration? If there is a psychological and political driving force now, would the president be so frustrated that he would declare an emergency martial law? Since there is no national power, I can't agree with myself anyway, but I'm not saying that I did it with a desperate heart. Didn't you ask him to help me just once? Anyway, didn't you? But the lawmakers are really full. Do you know why these people are so full? I was elected in Yeongnam, which is a very vegetable garden. Regardless of what happens to the president, he can continue there as long as he gets a good nomination in his term. At times like this, there are representatives of Han Dong-hoon and the chairman of the outside committee. struggling in the Seoul metropolitan area You have to listen carefully to what these people are talking about. We're not in a situation where we're just listening to our warm garden, are we? However, it is 7:3 against leaving the party. It's similar to the old special inspector. The Democratic Party of Korea is making a fuss about the special prosecutor, but they seemed to be fighting each other with it, but now the special prosecutor is meaningless. In the end, as representative Han Dong-hoon said, we should make such a political gesture to gradually subside this angry public sentiment by giving him a card to defect.
[Anchor]
As lawmaker Chung said, he said that if the chairmen of the party cooperation committee outside the metropolitan area and the Gangwon People's Power outside the party don't leave the party, he will refer them to the ethics committee and get them out of the party.
[nervous]
I think it's true that there's talk of expulsion or expulsion. And there are people who are saying this publicly. However, the talk of leaving the party may subside for a moment, but if the Gallup poll comes out later this week, the report card can't be good. Because this is what happened on Tuesday, Gallup polls will have well-reflected public opinion.
[Anchor]
It was 19% last week.
[nervous]
So it can't come out well this week because it's clear that the results of the opinion polls that fully reflect the current situation and the emergency martial law situation we're talking about will come out.
[Anchor]
What do you expect?
[nervous]
I think I'm going to go down a lot more. It became impossible to maintain 19. I don't know if this will be halved or higher than halved, but if a bad report card comes out, the story of leaving the party will naturally come out again even if it subsides this time. So yesterday's situation was white or impeached. You have to choose between these, and if it's not a resignation or impeachment, then you have to choose between the options of defection, expulsion, or withdrawal, and it's hard to just go like this. That's why Jung Kook is going into a completely dark Jung Kook that you can't even see in front of 1 mm. The resignation of the cabinet is good, but I think it's time to think about it after the resignation of the cabinet. There is only a national emergency cabinet. But if that happens, there will be another gap in state administration for a fairly long period of time. It's not like that. We have to have a hearing, and we have to choose a person before that. It's not an easy task to choose a good person from the ruling party or opposition parties. If that happens, the first half of 25 will just pass by.
[Anchor]
The confusion will inevitably grow, but there are also criticisms of floor leader Choo Kyung-ho. In the process of convening a general meeting of lawmakers, there is a story that the venue was changed about four or five times, and this has caused confusion.
[Nice]
As a result, there were voices raising suspicions that they intentionally changed the venue to prevent them from entering the plenary session. However, if you look at interviews with close people on the broadcast, even though CEO Han Dong-hoon suggested that we move together because he is here at the plenary session, he is at the main office and the rest of the lawmakers are told to go to the central headquarters, so only a few people were able to attend in the end. If floor leader Choo Kyung-ho knows the value of conservatism, he shouldn't do this. The value of conservatism now is the value of the Constitution. It's liberal democracy. However, if you say you will do such emergency martial law that limits the basic rights of liberal democracy even though it is not a war, you must have the determination to say, "This is not it." And the floor leader told me to go to the central headquarters, so what else are the lawmakers there? It's a constitutional institution. How big is the role and authority of the constitutional institution. Then, as a member of the imposing conservative party, it was right to go and vote for yourself, saying, "This is not right." At least, I told you earlier. Since the party leader and a handful of lawmakers went and exercised their right to vote in the plenary session of the National Assembly as members of the people's power, I can guarantee that the people's power is worth this much.
[nervous]
If I add one more word, according to the National Assembly Act, there is a crime of obstruction of the National Assembly. Whether a member of the National Assembly becomes a permanent chairman or a plenary session chairman, he or she is supposed to be punished for preventing him or her from entering it. You'll be punished for that. This is a criminal punishment. And lawmakers have the freedom to vote in attendance. Moreover, this is to lift martial law. Then we should go over the mountain and across the water. This has to go. The speaker of the National Assembly is also going over the wall, but the speaker said, "I'm at the headquarters across from the National Assembly when the person looking at me is going over the wall the day after tomorrow." Even those such as floor leader Choo Kyung-ho are in the main office of the National Assembly, and if you take a few steps, it's the plenary session hall, but you didn't go there on purpose. This is the constitutional order for martial law to be lifted. What kind of friendship do you have here and close friends with? This person doesn't qualify as a member of the National Assembly, but he doesn't qualify as a floor leader. I did something yesterday that should be disciplined and criminally punished. This is a very serious matter. This should at least go to the disciplinary committee. It should be disciplined by the party, but it should also be disciplined by the National Assembly.
[Anchor]
Rep. Kim Sang-wook continues to speak out the loudest about that. In any case, the resignation of the cabinet was done, and all the senior secretaries, including Chief of Staff Jeong Jin-seok of the Presidential Office, expressed their resignation. By the way, Prime Minister Han told the members of the State Council to continue their duties, so is this an appropriate measure, what do you think from Prime Minister Han's point of view?
[nervous]
Prime Minister Han says so, but he seems to be thinking about quitting. However, if the ruling party is talking about the resignation of the cabinet at this point, it would be right to quit. It would be right to resign first. I don't know how the president handles this, but it's not easy for the president to quit in the presidential system. However, if you resign, this is a big event, so it's time to consider the resignation of the cabinet very carefully and seriously because it's been a long time since you've been cutting the prime minister and the minister.
[Anchor]
Attention is also expected to be drawn to how President Yoon Suk Yeol will handle it in the future, but he has not yet issued an additional message. How would you state your position if you were me?
[Nice]
Not only that, but I met with the prime minister, the president, the representative, and a few senior members of the party, and the president's office did not say to leave the party. That's why there was no suggestion to leave the party. I think it means that no one heard it. However, I think it is correct to say that I voluntarily leave the party even though I didn't hear the suggestion. It's my personal opinion. And after the resignation of the cabinet, the secretaries resigned. Then, the presidential secretary's office has changed completely, and isn't there a lot of challenges and crises in the economy and society right now regarding the resignation of the cabinet? So, I have a personal opinion that why don't we reject the resignation and make the state affairs stable?
Instead, why don't we leave the party, then completely change the secretary's office, and then proceed with the Marine investigation anyway? In addition, there is the issue of Kim Gun-hee's special prosecutor. And you're not saying you're going to vote on impeachment on Friday. But in the end, the important card is held by the power of the people, those eight votes. Then, although at least these eight people showed the extraordinary behavior of being really emergency martial law, impeaching them now has no other consequence than giving political opportunities to the Democratic Party leader, who has a lot of judicial risks. While explaining various things like that. Anyway, don't you have to give your own justification to oppose impeachment? Aren't you showing various aspects of self-reflection and reflection, such as leaving the party, and shouldn't you change your secretary's office? Of course, it's purely a personal opinion.
[Anchor]
I see. Then we'll listen to a recording and continue with this story. Today, the opposition party officially announced a charge and impeachment against President Yoon Suk Yeol, Defense Minister Kim Yong-hyun, and Public Administration and Security Minister Lee Sang-min. Let's listen to the opposition leadership's remarks.
[Lee Jae-myung / Democratic Party leader: There is also a limit to putting up with it. You can't take it anymore, can you? // People's Power I want to say to the people of this country who support the people's power. President Yoon Suk Yeol appears to be in a state where it is difficult to make a normal and reasonable judgment. ]
[Park Chan-dae / Floor Leader of the Democratic Party of Korea: Declaration of emergency martial law is a reason for impeachment for violating the Constitution and the law. // The Yoon Suk Yeol is the head of the civil war stipulated in our Constitution. Yoon Suk Yeol, the head of the civil war, should step down as president immediately. // People's Power Members, listen to the angry voices of the people. Listen to the sound of conscience coming up from the bottom of your chest. ]
[Anchor]
Impeachment, these two letters have been forbidden for Democrats. Then, the atmosphere changed dramatically to a state of emergency.
[nervous]
That's right. This is a big issue. Even if individual lawmakers talked about impeachment and said nothing, in fact, some members of the leadership did not talk about impeachment, especially Chairman Lee Jae-myung said similar things. He expressed that he should come down, but he said that this should come down, not impeachment. I went into limbo like this, but now everyone, including CEO Lee Jae-myung, is talking about impeachment. The Democratic Party of Korea did not sympathize with the impeachment bill even though Chairman Cho Kuk continued to talk about impeachment on the street and in the National Assembly. But now we're going together. And he quickly turns the clock very quickly and votes quickly. And the time for voting is set right now. It's supposed to be between 24 and 72 hours after reporting, so we have to finish everything within this week.
[Anchor]
Tonight, so it's tomorrow morning, and they'll report after midnight.
[Nervous]
Report and then vote within this week. But how likely is this? In the end, CEO Han Dong-hoon's expression of intention seems to be very decisive. However, lifting martial law is lifting martial law and impeachment is impeachment. Impeachment should be decided by the National Assembly first and a vote should be held here, so in the end, if you get 18 or very few votes, it's eight votes. If this happens, not only lawmakers on the close side but also members of the People's Power who are standing in the middle can move on because they think this is not possible. So I think it's right that it's a very dangerous situation right now. In particular, he is looking at CEO Han Dong-hoon's mouth right now, but CEO Han Dong-hoon never opens his mouth. I'm not doing anything.
[Anchor]
Why?
[nervous]
For Han Dong-hoon, it is absolutely not in favor of Han Dong-hoon to quickly enter the presidential election phase tactically. So tactically, I don't want to go into impeachment now or step down because the president really suddenly wants to quit me. I don't want this. I don't think it's advantageous for Representative Lee Jae-myung to go back to the presidential election mode right now because he/she is showing remorse somehow and passing the impeachment and resigning, not thinking about it.
[Anchor]
How do you predict that the vote on impeachment should not come out from the people's power?
[Nice]
The Democratic Party seems to have high expectations for impeachment because about four votes were cast during the special prosecution of Kim Gun-hee last time. And I think 18 people attended the resolution to lift the martial law declaration this time, so I think I expect that, as long as I get eight votes. But impeachment is impeachment and martial law is martial law. In addition to the president's self-reflection and failure to show such things, some powerful lawmakers of the people who saw armed soldiers enter the National Assembly yesterday expressed their anger, saying, "I will support impeachment this time." And lawmakers will make autonomous decisions because they are constitutional institutions, but if you think about it with a cool head, as Representative Shin Kyung-min said, in the end, unless it is a result other than the transfer of power to the Democratic Party of Korea by Representative Lee Jae-myung, the political party has to think very deeply about this issue.
[Anchor]
So, the impeachment and the president's own resignation are all burdensome in the power of the people to give up the government at this point. So what choice do you have?
[Nice]
As a result, the Democratic Party of Korea now accuses them of rebellion, because they are not criminally prosecuted except for rebellion and foreign exchange. So the civil war is very serious, and even during the president's term, it's legally possible to take action. As a result, the Democratic Party of Korea is looking at those eight people, and in this situation, they continue to hold public rallies under the guise of so-called civic groups, right? And the people's hearts have begun to change a lot since yesterday. In this situation, as a people's power, we need to think strategically about what legitimate alternatives are available to secure time.
[Anchor]
What's that?
[Nice]
In my view, there is only a constitutional amendment to shorten the term of office. However, as the Democratic Party demands, if we want to amend the constitution next year, we need to match the elections of local governments and lawmakers. Then, there is one way to make a proposal in this way, such as the year after the local elections, but it is the position of the people's strong pro-Yoon loyalists that there is no constitutional amendment to shorten the term, no resignation, no impeachment, and no defections. But the problem with this is whether the people in the middle, the people who decide the trend, will accept it.
[nervous]
In the short term, we will first make a thorough reflection and apology. And you have to go to the national neutral cabinet and the national emergency cabinet. Let's put forward a real prime minister with a nice guy and ministers stop being weirdos. President Yoon should change his style by making a cabinet with people who can talk about it. Don't get mad. It really changes the style. It gives the impression that a person has changed. If you propose a constitutional amendment to shorten your term and make it clear that when you will step down, there is a possibility that the people will forgive you if you promise to step down in an orderly manner. This is a possibility, not necessarily forgiving. Orderly resignation and such things as thorough reflection, apology, and transformation should be the premise.
[Anchor]
I see. Today, the impeachment motion and the presidential impeachment motion will be submitted to the National Assembly today. Tonight, so the plenary session will be held right after midnight, and today's report will be held, and this will be voted on within 72 hours after 24 hours, so Friday or Saturday.
[nervous]
It'll be in the weekend.
[Anchor]
I'm expecting that. However, even if such a procedure is passed, even if the National Assembly decides like this, the next procedure is judged by the Constitutional Court. However, there should be a total of nine constitutional judges, but there are only six right now.
[nervous]
That's why the ruling and opposition parties should recommend it now. That's why the opposition party recommended it today. So this is also a change of attitude from what has come so far because it shows the will to organize quickly. That's why the Constitutional Court has to be formed quickly, but for the Constitutional Court to do this, all the judges have to hold a hearing and vote at the plenary session, so in fact, this should proceed quickly to another track.
[Anchor]
That's why the Democratic Party is now speeding up in that area as well...
[nervous]
That's what I'm saying. The ruling and opposition parties have been passive so far, but now I don't know what the ruling party will do if the opposition party actively comes out. So, the hands of the clock should turn quickly, but it's hard to promise whether it will happen.
[Anchor]
I would like to applaud Representative Chung for his attitude when representative Han Dong-hoon dealt with the situation earlier. You told me that. Then, this time, CEO Han Dong-hoon and CEO Lee Jae-myung drew a resolution to lift martial law, but do you think he expressed his presence more as the next runner?
[Nice]
In the meantime, representative Han Dong-hoon has been criticized for the party's bulletin board and the issue of Chae Sang-byung as the party leader, and there have been many voices pointing out the behavior of representative Han Dong-hoon on the party's bulletin board. And as you can see now, I don't think the position within the party is that strong. Members are not so cooperative. In such a situation, the score has risen by showing such a position very quickly and reasonably in this situation, but even now, representative Lee Jae-myung exceeds 40% when polling between presidential candidates. However, representative Han Dong-hoon is in the 10% range, but none of the other ruling party's runners come out like that. In this situation, haven't we experienced impeachment? I did it, and after impeachment, I have a painful memory of all politics excluding conservative parties, and I repeat this again? It's going to be hard to imagine. Then, in order not to repeat such a situation, we need to think about what strategic alternatives can be made to approach the people more.
[Anchor]
That's why the opposition continues to have second and third characters appearing, and they're emerging. In particular, former Gyeongnam Governor Kim Kyung-soo will return home tomorrow. Gyeonggi Governor Kim Dong-yeon said he would return home tomorrow and said he should arrest President Yoon, not impeach him now.
[nervous]
I said it hard. It's all related. Opposition runners have moved faster. The other is that Lee Jae-myung, the representative, made very good results through the rulings on November 15th and 25th, but the other was very bad. The emergency martial law situation is a situation, and representative Lee Jae-myung's judicial risk is also rolling to the judicial risk. Then there is a high possibility that this will go very quickly. In that case, there is a possibility that Lee Jae-myung's second trial and part of the first trial will come out next summer, so regardless of this situation, the Democratic Party of Korea or the opposition party has no choice but to prepare Plan B. So it's rolling like this. So, the confrontation between the ruling and opposition parties and this inside the National Power Party is going to roll as it is, and the Democratic Party's and the opposition's Plan B is going to roll as Plan B, so the political situation will be very complicated.
[Anchor]
I see. So far, I have been with Chung Ok-im, a former member of the Saenuri Party, and Shin Kyung-min, a former member of the Democratic Party of Korea. Thank you both for talking today.
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