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■ Starring: Choi Soo-young, current affairs critic, Lee Seung-hoon, lawyer
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[Anchor]
Let's start with a political commentary with a lively angle. Today, there are two current affairs critics Choi Soo-young and Lee Seung-hoon. Welcome. The President of Yoon Suk Yeol issued a public statement this morning. Let's hear what it was about again.
[Yoon Suk Yeol Presidential Statement: For the past two and a half years, the big opposition has not stopped stepping down and inciting impeachment in order to bring down a president chosen by the people. He didn't accept the results of the presidential election. Since the presidential election, a whopping 178 impeachment rallies have been held since the beginning of the term. In order to paralyze the president's state administration, we have pushed for the impeachment of dozens of government officials since the inauguration of our government. At the end of the day, criminals are pushing for self-bulletproof legislation that gives themselves indulgence. What do you mean if this is paraplegic or not a national crisis? There are many more serious things that I have not been able to reveal in person until I make a stern decision of emergency martial law. In the second half of last year, there was a hacking attack by North Korea on constitutional institutions and government agencies, including the Election Commission. The National Intelligence Service found this and wanted to check the information leakage and the safety of the computer system. All other agencies agreed to be inspected by the NIS under their own observation, and the system was inspected. However, the Election Commission stubbornly refused, claiming to be a constitutional institution. ]
[Anchor]
is exactly what you heard. How did you feel to the people when you talked about why you declared martial law?
[Choi Soo-young]
I think President Yoon's statement today explained that if I had died, would I have declared martial law? But it's last Saturday. Representative Han Dong-hoon talked about it and then the president said he would take over the party, but I think the atmosphere has changed a little since then. So anyway, impeachment was invalid because the people's power did not enter the plenary session last time, so the vote was not held, but this time, it is difficult to oppose it even with the people's power, and lawmakers are saying that they will vote for it through press conferences.
In this situation, if impeachment is becoming a fait accompli, wouldn't it be better to reveal the reasonable logic of my martial law and why I did martial law on this, and then if the National Assembly impeaches, this impeachment will be a little condensed into the argument that I will go to the Constitutional Court and be judged? Because there is a vast amount of content to be included in the impeachment motion.
I think the president picked only the most important content and spoke briefly today, and he showed a trailer that he would defend for this logic and this reason when hearing at the Constitutional Court with the content to be included in the impeachment motion.
[Anchor]
If I impeach, I will go to the Constitutional Court and face it like this. It was a preview. You used the expression "If you don't like it," and I heard things like impeachment of public officials, blocking claims of foreign espionage, and unilateral reduction budget. How did you like it?
[Lee Seung Hoon]
So, there is still a lack of awareness of reality. If martial law can be declared with such a thing, if this is constitutional, all presidents will become martial law unconditionally in the future. It seemed like he had recently reflected on the unconstitutional and illegal exercise of martial law. It was as if he said he would appoint himself to the party, including his term, but this was simply to drag his feet and prevent his impeachment.
Now that he thought he couldn't stop impeachment, he's cutting off CEO Han Dong-hoon again. CEO Han Dong-hoon ended up being a fool. in trust of the president That's why I'm worried about how the president should take responsibility for it in the future because representative Han Dong-hoon and the people have cheated. If you interpret it in the opposite way to what the president said, the president did not recognize the large opposition party.
And he only investigated for two and a half years to bring down the opposition leader, using the prosecution's power. And he didn't accept the results of the general election. The president has been immersed in the conspiracy theory that the election committee manipulated something without accepting the results of the general election about becoming a huge opposition party. Can you imagine a president who's been in such a conspiracy for two and a half years? I don't understand. The same would have been true of the people.
[Anchor]
Why martial law troops went to the NEC. There were reports from various media, but he talked about the hacking of the NEC himself today.
[Choi Soo-young]
This reveals that this was also the main reason because Kim Yong-hyun, the former minister, said it was only about the president's interest until the last time, but the president said it by wearing it. But for me, this part becomes like this. Of course, it can be pointed out that the president is poor and sloppy, and the NEC's system is now being managed.
However, to be sure, since the NEC did not cooperate, will it be justified for the military to go and collect evidence and bring data? Then, the opposition party can ask the question of whether the presidential election, in which President Yoon was elected 0.76 percent in the last presidential election, was fair. If the election committee is so poorly managed, the opposition party can ask if the presidential election could be a fraudulent election.
But President Yoon seems to be limited to the general election. In fact, even during the last presidential election, there was a lot of evidence and circumstances that the Sokuri vote and the NEC managed very poorly. But what kind of rigged election it was linked to. Of course, I didn't mention the word election fraud.
However, it can be pointed out that this is very sloppy, so to speak, in this IT era that is poorly managed and does not have a very firewall. But if that's the case, I should have done this. Since it is a constitutional institution, if it is an institution that is difficult for public power to be deployed, it is a story to the political circle. I was briefed on the fact that the election watchdog is the foundation of the country and the core of democracy, which is poorly managed, so the ruling and opposition parties should take a closer look at it.
Or should I say, "Please come up with a supplementary measure?" Wouldn't the people judge that it is fair election management that is not biased to either side? However, it was not managed well no matter how much the president was reported by the National Intelligence Service and then Chinese hackers entered the country, and it is not enough to gain legitimacy with such a story. And most importantly, was the general election the only sign of fraud? When asked what he would do in the presidential election, could the Democratic Party launch such a counterattack?
So, I think it would be better for the president to judge the repercussions of these things politically before talking about the poor and loose management of the NEC.
[Anchor]
If it is a real fraudulent election, there can be enough objections such as how to explain the election won by the ruling party. You said that what came out today seemed to have been advised by a lawyer, but it was not intended to destroy the constitutional order and the national constitution. Only a small force was put into the National Assembly. And he explained that if he was really going to take control of the National Assembly, he would have chosen to cut off the power or do it on weekends.
[Lee Seung Hoon]
I think it's absurd. Then, it is no different from saying that they should have acted more unconstitutional and illegally. The most important point is whether the National Assembly has prevented the authority to demand the lifting of martial law. I don't know if the president's argument is correct if he didn't stop it.In order to prevent the National Assembly's demand for the lifting of martial law, Ma urged the National Assembly to use police force to prevent lawmakers from entering and to mobilize soldiers to pull out people who are in the National Assembly. This is clearly intended to neutralize the National Assembly's authority to lift martial law.
This is martial law unconstitutional and illegal. In the past, the president had the right to dissolve the National Assembly. But because of this, it was up to the president. So, isn't it the opinion of the people that the president himself cannot understand that he made the National Assembly impossible to control through constitutional amendment and tried to neutralize it, but believed that this would be neutralized? Because of this part, it is clear that it is unconstitutional and illegal.
[Anchor]
What's at the heart is whether or not you're guilty of rebellion. He also argued that this is not a crime of rebellion, that this is an act of high governance. Let's listen to this, too.
[President Yoon Suk Yeol] My fellow citizens, the opposition party is trying to take me down as a felon and take me down from the presidency. What would happen if the destructive National Constitution and disorderly forces ruled this country? Until now, the forces and criminal groups that led the paralysis and the controversy of the National Constitution should take over the state administration and prevent any threat to the future of the Republic of Korea. I will fight to the end. I immediately accepted the National Assembly's call for lifting. Some people have different ideas about the requirements for martial law, but seeing emergency measures to save the country as an act of rebellion to ruin the country puts our constitution and legal system in serious danger, as many constitutional scholars and lawyers point out. ]
[Anchor]
You just heard President Yoon Suk Yeol's statement. So you're claiming that this is not a crime of rebellion, but an act of high governance.
[Choi Soo-young]
It is certainly true that declaring martial law is the power guaranteed by the President in the Constitution. That's right, but then can the president use it all because all the powers are stipulated in the law? We call this institutional restraint, institutional patience, in political terms. We refer to the president's declaration of martial law as a constitutional hard-line attitude.
Then, the president's constitutional hard-line attitude is that the Democratic Party of Korea objected to the presidential election, held 178 rallies to oust the president, and, so to speak, constantly tried to impeach the heads of major state agencies, neutralized the state administration, and then cut the budget, preventing me from doing anything.
But these are definitely actions that need to be solved by politics. What this is, then, in terms of whether the president could have asked the opposition leader to help him if the opposition party held him back, and then asked the ruling party leader to drill a blocked passage again, or whether the use of martial law, so to speak, a constitutional hard-line attitude, can be justified, but the reason why I think this is insufficient to gain sympathy and persuasion is that the president works only as much as the public's approval rating under a single five-year term system.
If the Democratic Party of Korea held back, I think I should have given back by supporting it to allow me to work through a public opinion campaign and a public statement appeal. So the president's words say that the people didn't support me because I didn't produce results because the Democratic Party prevented me from working, but anyway, since the president is at the peak of his ruling act, he will solve the problem with a high-level political act, which is a high-level act of governing? I can tell you about it because the order is a bit reversed.
This is not an offense. However, the issue of whether this was unconstitutional or illegal was the exercise of the president's authority. However, this will be an issue in the future as to whether the political or social environment was serious enough to put forward its constitutional hard-line attitude when exercising its authority.
However, in the end, I have no choice but to point out that the president has misjudged the order because it is the fate of the five-year single term system to live on the public opinion and work as much as his approval rating.
[Anchor]
So how will the Constitutional Court interpret this claim of high-level governance in the future, this will be the biggest issue?
[Lee Seung Hoon]
President Yoon Suk Yeol has never admitted to governing the former presidents. Park Geun Hye also claimed that it was an act of governance.Ma denied everything. Former President Moon Jae In investigated that he would be criminally punished for returning a person who had committed murder in North Korea to North Korea for not going through procedures.
I think it is absurd for a person who did not recognize the act of governing to claim that unconstitutional and illegal acts of rebellion are acts of governing now. There's something like that in the Constitution. It should be an emergency. It shouldn't be stopped by the police. But at that time, it was so peaceful that the police themselves did not need it.
But suddenly, you're mobilizing the military? This itself is unconstitutional. In addition, under martial law, lawmakers cannot be arrested unless they are current offenders. But why did you try to arrest Representative Lee Jae-myung and National Assembly Speaker Woo Won-sik? I'm telling you that this is illegal in itself. In addition to that, why did CEO Han Dong-hoon try to arrest him? It's absurd.
The president's logic itself is broken. Why did former Chief Justice Kim Myung-soo try to arrest you? I don't understand. Why are you arresting Kim Eo-jun again? There is no justification for what you say, and lies come out about this. It means that he tried to keep it in a counterintelligence agency.
I'm arguing for a really absurd logic. I think the people will be very angry about this because it was the president's statement to the public today that he will fight with the people until the end.
[Anchor]
In fact, the situation turned quite tense this morning. President Yoon Suk Yeol's public statement came just before the ruling party's floor leader election. I guess it's meaningful at this point, too.
[Choi Soo-young]
That's right. Every president's words, actions, and points of view are political acts. But I think I heard that this is a recorded version. Why did we talk about this between 10:10 and 10:40? It was scheduled for the election at 12 o'clock. I think so.
I told the mainstream members of the People's Power that they can impeach me, so don't define me as the crime of rebellion first, but give me a chance to sufficiently argue at the Constitutional Court, but I think I said that even if the party can't defend me in good order, at least don't treat me doubly.
But as soon as this came out, didn't party leader Han Dong-hoon decide to respond by calling for impeachment and even a sort of ethics committee to punish the party's actors? So, I think President Yoon is taking this into account to some extent right before the floor leader.
[Anchor]
Is this the message that you have to pick a kind of Kwon Seong-dong?
[Choi Soo-young]
That's right. I interpreted it indirectly to mean that the party should not draw a line against me, but anyway, Rep. Kwon Sung-dong is now elected by more than a half. Then, I don't know exactly how many votes the party got, but I think more than half of the lawmakers should be reviewed sufficiently, even though the president may be impeached or not, and then I think it's unfair to convict the president of rebellion or separate him from the party.
[Anchor]
Rep. Kwon Sung-dong got 72 votes. [Choi Soo-young] When it comes to 72 votes, about a couple of dozen close lawmakers and even middle-of-the-road lawmakers did it, so if it's 72 votes out of 108, it's two-thirds. If so, it is seen as a sign that the party will be destined together with the president in the future, so I think in this case, Chairman Han Dong-hoon and I are now indicating that the party may be divided.
[Anchor]
I don't think Kwon Sung-dong and Han Dong-hoon will be able to go together.
[Choi Soo-young]
Basically, the party leader asked for the impeachment with the party's theory, and lawmaker Kwon Sung-dong said he would vote down the party's theory. It's a pledge. Then, what will happen to the party if the party leader and the floor leader's exact No. 1 pledge collide?
[Anchor]
To briefly explain the situation this morning, representative Han Dong-hoon has no choice but to impeach him now. I expressed my position through this press conference. This was right before the announcement of the presidential statement. After that, the Yoon Suk Yeol Presidential Statement was published. Since then, the gun has simply turned into a chaos. Let's listen to it.
[Han Dong-hoon / Representative of the People's Power: The president made a public statement that appeared to have been recorded. It was not about reflecting on the current situation, but about rationalizing the current situation and actually confessing to the civil war. I.... I propose to support impeachment as a party platform. Representative Lee Chul-kyu, please speak. What did you say? Rep. Lee Chul-kyu, go ahead. Representative Kang Myung-gyu, speak. Please do say. What did you do well? ) I told you that he did this with the intention of arresting the NEC and politicians. Is it different? Now, get up, don't talk down to me. Rep. Lim Jong-deuk, please stand up and speak. Shouldn't you use honorifics? Rep. Lim Jong-deuk? I can't help but talk about this in this situation. No, listen. So I ordered the convening of an emergency ethics committee to expel or remove the President of Yoon Suk Yeol. ]
[Lee Chul-kyu / People's Power: However, even though the results of the investigation have not been announced and the trial has not been conducted, it seems that there are some politically inappropriate acts and some laws, but I think it is a hurry to conclude that it is a crime of rebellion. I didn't stand here in your personal capacity, but in our party leader's
That's what you're saying at this podium in your position. The CEO's words become the story of our party. I think it is appropriate for the democratic process to at least have a word of consultation with the members at our General Assembly, and to make such a decision or make a presentation. ]
[Anchor]
As you can see, the atmosphere of today's general meeting was like this. Representative Han Dong-hoon should approve the impeachment of President Yoon Suk Yeol as a party platform. And the president of Yoon Suk Yeol must be expelled or removed from office. That's what I said. And today's presidential statement is nothing short of confessing to the crime of rebellion. I expressed my position like this. You can see it as so-called pro-Yoon-gye lawmakers now, how did you react?
[Lee Seung Hoon]
Representative Han Dong-hoon calls out names of pro-Yoon-gye lawmakers and protesting lawmakers. And I'm telling you to get up and talk. From Han Dong-hoon's point of view, President Yoon Suk Yeol's actions are clear and he should reflect on the civil war, but he denies it through a discourse, so tell him if he is confident, but he can't do it properly when he is called out and told to speak.
[Anchor]
Is lawmaker Lee Chul-kyu the only one who woke up?
[Lee Seung Hoon]
That's right. Rep. Lee Cheol-kyu is the only one who woke up, and Rep. Lee Cheol-kyu has a sense of hurry. Then, you can't clearly argue that this is not a civil war. So I know the people are afraid, but for now, I'm clumsy because the purpose is to defend the president of Yoon Suk Yeol, but I made that statement.
Looking at those aspects today, the power of the people can't stop the impeachment of the president. Let's grab the party's power at least. So, I think it's like, "Let's finish this work by making Kwon Sung-dong the floor leader and resigning one of the supreme council members and one of the closest council members to bring down representative Han Dong-hoon, and do it on your own whether you leave the party or not."
By the way, President Lee Yoon Suk Yeol kicked out Lee Joon-seok, dragged down Representative Kim Ki-hyun, and Representative Han Dong-hoon, eventually becoming an isolated worker. You're saying that you're going to be alone and pro-Yoon is going to be alone in politics.
It means that the president will move away from the people, move away from the lawmakers of his own party, and politicize only a few close people. It's like this gangster politics. From the people's point of view, I think there will be sighs and lamentations.
[Anchor]
Kwon Sung-dong, 72, and Kim Tae-ho are 34. Can we predict that impeachment will be passed without difficulty if the number of votes is the current one?
[Choi Soo-young]
will be closed. After it was passed, about 20 lawmakers approved the special prosecution law last time. Looking at the current trend, all the lawmakers who attended last time have withdrawn, so even if they are excluded, more than 20 people seem to think that the president should take both political and judicial responsibilities now. So, didn't Kim Tae-ho support the independent counsel law and at least 34 lawmakers who think it should be separated from the president?
If so, I can estimate the number of people who supported Rep. Kim Tae-ho at least 20 to 30 if you look at these two things, the independent counsel's vote and the number of people who supported Rep. Kim Tae-ho. Then, if it is more than eight votes, impeachment is unconditionally passed, but then what about the power of the people after it is passed?
Now, floor leader Kwon Sung-dong said that a general meeting of lawmakers should be held, but I don't know if he will decide that the general meeting should be recommended or rejected.Wouldn't Ma be held accountable if a leave vote came out and it was approved anyway? Why can the floor leader take responsibility, but he will ask the party leader.
Why did we go with the party line? Then we can ask CEO Han Dong-hoon to take responsibility. So, there is a way for the emergency committee to be formed by the Supreme Council member Lee mentioned, but I think he may launch a political offensive to hold representative Han Dong-hoon accountable. Then the focus here is CEO Han Dong-hoon's choice.
Then, if there is an intention to drive me out by taking political responsibility that will come to me anyway after impeachment, or if there is an intention to resign one of the Supreme Council members to go to the emergency committee, I think CEO Han Dong-hoon can preemptively say it.
[Anchor]
Are you going to quit me?
[Choi Soo-young]
That's right. Even though the impeachment was voted on, the impeachment was done and I have unlimited political moral responsibility as the leader of the party that produced the people, the person in charge of our ruling party, and the president. So I think I can preemptively say that I will step down from this position as much as the president is impeached. Because there is a high possibility that it will proceed physically even if it does not do so anyway, will CEO Han Dong-hoon really dwell on it?
In the end, against his will, 72 people voted for impeachment as a party theory when he asked for it just before the general meeting of the lawmakers. Then, will CEO Han Dong-hoon's leadership be able to stand in this party? Then I think this is a critical watershed and inflection point.
So, if today's Thursday's parliamentary elections come out on Saturday, of course, I think impeachment is a possibility, and if so, I think it's likely that even Chairman Han Dong-hoon can go to a situation where he can no longer share his fate with the party.
[Anchor]
I think a lot of people are curious about that. President Yoon Suk Yeol, if you look at the position of the presidential office over the past few days, you're choosing the impeachment card rather than resigning. But pro-Yoon doesn't say he's in favor of impeachment. How do I look at it?
[Lee Seung Hoon]
What it is is that President Yoon Suk Yeol will probably step down for the purpose of dragging his feet, leaving his job to the party. CEO Han Dong-hoon said, "I'll give you power, so take your time with the Prime Minister and run it well, I think I did this." CEO Han Dong-hoon must have believed it. The president must be really about to step down. Then, rather than going through the impeachment process, if I voluntarily step down and go to the presidential election, I was mistaken for an orderly resignation.
[Anchor]
From CEO Han Dong-hoon's point of view, then you may feel a little deceived.
[Lee Seung Hoon]
That's right. But from the president's point of view, he apologized to Han Dong-hoon as if he was going to hand over power, but actually took a long time to vote down the impeachment and then tried to solidify his position again. However, since the opposition party goes through the impeachment process once a week, I thought I could have stopped it just once, but I couldn't stop it twice or three times. That's why the Democratic Party has exposed a loophole in strategy.
So now, even if it is impeached, we give up, maintain power, and there are only six constitutional judges, and Park Sun-young, chairman of the Truth and Reconciliation Committee, was appointed. It's the execution of Constitutional Judge Chung Hyung-sik. Then, only one person can be rejected. And he seems to think it's worth trying because if he doesn't appoint a constitutional judge recommended by the Democratic Party, all six members of the Constitutional Court will have to agree to impeach him, but what if the president dismisses the impeachment when he is a non-commissioned officer in a calm state? What if all the next presidents declare martial law like this in the future? The Constitutional Court did the same for President Park Geun Hye.
He was mistaken then, too. This will not be impeached. I think the president of Yoon Suk Yeol is also deeply deluded.
[Anchor]
Kwon Sung-dong, the new floor leader, will hold a general meeting of lawmakers today, and will the lawmakers who chose Kim Tae-ho's card right now follow the party's will, isn't this the question of the day?
[Choi Soo-young]
As I said, more than 20 votes approved of the last special prosecution. Didn't the lawmakers who think the party should not go in favor of the party's theory go to lawmaker Kim Tae-ho this time? If so, of course, I need at least two-thirds of the time to agree with the party, but it would be ambiguous. It's because 72 people will be a little ambiguous whether it's two-thirds or not.
However, I think it will be difficult to reject Rep. Kwon with a party theory because there are some who agreed to reject Rep. Kwon with a party theory and others who do not. So I'm probably done with a free vote or there's something called an advisory party line. It is recommended that we reject the impeachment motion within the party.
Recommended party theory or free vote because it is a different matter to resolve with party theory and party theory. I have two things. You want to confirm this with the party's argument? Then, this is a burden on the entire power of the people, so apart from the individual vote of the lawmakers, the party confirms that impeachment of the president is unfair. Inside some kind of people's power, there will be lawmakers asking why President Yoon Suk Yeol's political failure should lead to the failure of the entire conservative party.
President Yoon Suk Yeol's political failure ends with President Yoon Suk Yeol, paving the way for conservatives to recover morally and ethically and politically later, but if we sink into this together, it will be the responsibility of the conservatives as a whole to move toward a community of political destiny, so it will be difficult for me to adopt a party platform, and I think it will be either a recommendative party platform or a free vote.
[Anchor]
It's a high-level act of governance, President Yoon Suk Yeol's statement came out today, and looking at the situation yesterday before the statement came out, I think it was meaningful. Representative Yoon Sang-hyun's remarks were quite controversial. Rep. Yoon Sang-hyun's remarks, Mayor Hong Joon Pyo's position to defend Yoon Suk Yeol President somewhat, how did they fit together like a puzzle? What do you think?
[Lee Seung Hoon]
I think they got it right through a meeting. And it seems that the legal logic has been organized because we have to fight in the impeachment process and in the criminal process anyway. In addition, I personally think lawmaker Kwon Sung-dong will maintain the party's theory. So I think I'm going to bring the lawmakers together at the congress and eventually get the pro-impeachment people to run out and vote on impeachment. So those people are traitors.
That's why don't lawmaker Yoon Sang-hyun say things like "traitor" or "Hong Joon Pyo lawmaker is also a traitor?" So, I think it's a high-level effort to clearly distinguish people who want to vote for their beliefs by maintaining the party's theory, put a traitor frame on them, and even consider Bundang. Didn't lawmaker Yoon Sang-hyun tell you?
The people are angry now, but they will pick me again in a year or two. That's why I told you not to worry. In the end, Rep. Yoon Sang-hyun has chosen that path and is on his way. In the end, I think that I am thoroughly preparing with the president for a path that is contrary to the people.
[Anchor]
There are many prospects in various political imaginations, but isn't it really in the presidential office that Mayor Hong Joon Pyo is now making such a strong statement that seems to defend the president and driving representative Han Dong-hoon? There's no choice but to have this perspective.
[Choi Soo-young]
I'm not going to explicitly talk about it, but of course, there is. It is a well-known fact that all political schedules are geared toward the next presidential election in Hong Joon Pyo. This is the remark that's drawing attention here. It's an act of governance, but what this means is that the mayor of Hong Joon Pyo is also a lawyer. That's why it's an act of governance. I told you.
It's an act of governance because the Constitution has power. But this is called a constitutional hard-line attitude. Such things should be managed through institutional restraint and institutional patience, but can we say that the act of governance is possible? In that respect, this is what the mayor of Hong Joon Pyo says. Point out the inappropriateness of the president, but don't conclude that he is a rebellion.
CEO Han Dong-hoon is saying that this rebellion is a crime, so by differentiating himself from CEO Han Dong-hoon on this story, CEO Han Dong-hoon is a person who is different from the party anyway, and the other is Daegu Mayor anyway. In conservative TK, there are things that President Yoon is a little inappropriate about, but the conservatives should not be completely destroyed. In that respect, we will find people who will be an alternative to conservatism in the future, but with that in mind, Han Dong-hoon also has a differentiation from representative Han Dong-hoon, but he seems to be a little double-faced, saying that he went too far along with the ruling act in the middle of the conservative camp.
in that respect However, I don't know if the mayor of Hong Joon Pyo's words will be persuasive and agreeable in this politics with zero ground.
[Anchor]
Earlier, I showed you the scene of the general meeting of the lawmakers, but I also showed you that representative Han Dong-hoon was being attacked considerably by pro-Yoon-gye lawmakers. This morning, representative Han Dong-hoon finally summarized his position on the impeachment vote and expressed his position through a press conference. Let's listen to that, too.
[Han Dong-hoon / Representative of People's Power: The President should be excluded from state administration, including the right to command the military. As long as it has been confirmed that the president has no intention of stepping down early, an immediate suspension of his duties is required. We need to prevent further confusion. Now there is only one effective way. At the next vote, our party members should attend the meeting and participate in the vote according to their conviction and conscience. (Referring to today that the suspension of duty is needed immediately. Does it mean that you want me to approve of the impeachment of the president? ) That's right. There is no other way than that. (If the impeachment bill is passed, do you feel responsible as the party leader and resign? ) I don't care about my job. I've been working with that thought since the beginning. I'll think about what's really responsible. ]
[Anchor]
I won't dwell on my job. CEO Han Dong-hoon, I answered the reporter's question like this. Should the floor leader, pro-Yoon Kwon Sung-dong, resign today when he was elected? I think you're personally thinking about this, but what do you think the conclusion will come out?
[Lee Seung Hoon]
I think I'm going to think about it a lot. It is true that Rep. Kwon Sung-dong's election itself is a burden to him.Ma doesn't think there's any reason for him to resign just because Rep. Kwon Sung-dong was elected. Nevertheless, I think there are a lot of concerns about whether it is right for me to continue to hold the party power here when the president is deceiving the people like this.
If you keep dwelling on this power, you may be criticized for going back and forth to seek power like that. And the leadership was hurt a bit. In that respect, haven't you lost your mind to some extent? However, if you have time left, you called on the ethics committee to expel President Yoon Suk Yeol today.
Maybe I'll finish this process and quit. That's what I think. Now, President Yoon Suk Yeol has made a considerable failure, and it is his pro-Yoon who defended the Yoon Suk Yeol president, and only when they reflect on themselves and put themselves down together, will Yoon Suk Yeol's failure not result in a failure of conservatives. If he continues to defend the president and say nonsense while holding a handful of power that is not left, the conservatives will also collapse.
In order to prevent these, CEO Han Dong-hoon will also think about it, and I think other pro-yoon members should think about it now.
[Anchor]
It's been about a week since the first vote last week, and I think it's been almost a month. Representative Han Dong-hoon, it's true that some people criticized him for changing his words too much over the past few days, and some advocates argue that the president has broken his promise. How do you see it?
[Choi Soo-young]
I had a solo meeting with the president, so I met a few people in the room. In any case, politicians have to judge themselves. Regardless of what the president said or heard, he has to judge, but it is true that representative Han Dong-hoon has taken a little back and forth in terms of judgment and procedures, politically speaking. I understand. Because they don't control the party.
It's possible because the Democratic Party of Korea has Lee Jae-myung's one-party system and ownership, but isn't it true that representative Han Dong-hoon is not in control of the party and is a leader of a minority non-mainstream, as you saw in the results of the floor leader election this time? As a result, it is true that there was a realistic restriction that his political choice could not move in harmony with the party.
Nevertheless, the party leader should have sent a message that fits the people's sentiment, even though he is an outsider anyway, but he thinks he did, but it is true that it has been reflected back and forth anyway. Because the strong judgment and the very concise and clear leadership I saw that night when martial law was passed that day. Something like this must have been very imprinted on the people.
But after that, I think I could have made it my symbolic capital, but it's also true that I was hurt by taking a little back and forth. After thinking about it, he seems to be saying that he will come back and clearly differentiate himself from the president and then completely rebuild himself by removing the president from this party. From this point of view, I think there is a possibility that representative Han Dong-hoon had a press conference today that he knew that the president's statement would be in advance.
Because it can't be between 10 minutes. If representative Han Dong-hoon had tried to do this press conference, he should have been notified to the press corps at least earlier this morning or last night. However, given that it was not notified and urgently done, I know that the information was obtained from somewhere and that it was only 10 minutes earlier preemptively, but the fact that the president and I made the last choice as a way to differentiate ourselves from each other. I think Han Dong-hoon is paying attention to the extent to which Han Dong-hoon's leadership will be exercised in the future with the results of the floor leader election like this, and this is a part that is linked to the political reorganization of the people's power.
[Anchor]
In the media, representative Han Dong-hoon will announce his affirmation of impeachment through a press conference, and there have been many speculations about whether this will be done before or after the floor leader election. What do you think the announcement made before the presidential speech before the floor leader election is a winning move?
[Lee Seung-hoon]
As you said, I think there is a high possibility that you knew about the president's statement. That's why he has to say something, but CEO Han Dong-hoon is a political novice. That's why all the lies are revealed in writing. And your true feelings are revealed.
That's why the president has to step down voluntarily.So you're following me here, too. But the president didn't voluntarily step down, so he became the one who lied. You can't stand this. He must have a very bad feeling about the president of Yoon Suk Yeol. So, I think there is an aspect of saying that he spoke before the president's statement today.
CEO Han Dong-hoon made a little mistake because he said he would prevent martial law when this martial law occurred, so I felt that the power of the president and the people was quite distinct. But the president sang with Joo Jin-woo. In the meantime, he voluntarily resigned from the post rather than impeachment. And during that period, representative Han Dong-hoon and Prime Minister Han Deok-soo said they would take charge of it through orderly resignation.
This was an innocent idea, and I think I was beaten by the president, but I believed in the purity of the president rather than the purpose of dragging his feet, in the process of becoming the last dead power. Nevertheless, representative Han Dong-hoon's leadership was hurt, and I think I did a good job in presenting the president's statement first even today.
[Anchor]
We need to see the results of the vote the day after tomorrow, but if close lawmakers go in and vote for it in large numbers from the power of the people, do you think it will be evaluated like this by representative Han Dong-hoon? What do you think?
[Choi Soo-young]
That's right. The election of floor leader Kwon Sung-dong in many ways means that if this happens, there will be a basis for holding representative Han Dong-hoon responsible for the impeachment anyway. But what's interesting is that when the supreme council member resigns again, he goes to the emergency committee right away.
[Anchor]
Do you think Jang Dong-hyuk will resign?
[Choi Soo-young]
There is a possibility of resigning, but I don't think we can rule out the possibility. In that case, the floor leader has the authority to form this emergency committee. This is why the election of floor leader Kwon Sung-dong at this point has great implications for the power of the people.
[Anchor]
The pro-Yoon-gye takes control of it.
[Choi Soo-young]
That's right. That's right. And now, the floor leader has authority when forming the emergency committee. In the end, representative Han Dong-hoon will have no choice but to be in a position of isolation, so if the president is suspended from office after the impeachment is passed, the people's power will have no choice but to go down the path of division to some extent. So I think it's meaningful that Rep. Yoon Sang-hyun brought this up right now.
It's a traitor to say that you're a traitor. So this traitor, isn't that a familiar story? Member for Yoo Seung Min is not being summoned? So I think I've already done some guidelines with that in mind.
[Anchor]
Even Bundang?
[Choi Soo-young]
That's what I think. Therefore, the suspension of the president due to impeachment or the transfer to the Constitutional Court will end after Saturday, but will the power of the people be divided if the front line is formed after that? How will they differentiate, how will they go their separate ways? I think this will be the most important key issue in politics.
[Anchor]
The Democratic Party also expressed its position on today's presidential statement. Supreme Council member Kim Min-seok said that the mental substance of President Yoon Suk Yeol has been confirmed. Let's listen to it.
[Kim Min-seok / Minjoo Party's Special Task Force on the Insurrection: This morning's statement reaffirmed the spiritual substance of Yoon Suk Yeol as of this time. The statement that martial law was planned to fail in violation of the Constitution and laws to protect the Constitution is an expression of extreme delusion, a confession of illegal martial law, and a declaration of war to the public. With impeachment in mind, he has already incited the extreme right's unrest by reading the summary of the argument to the Constitutional Court in advance. Furthermore, it publicly ordered the destruction of evidence by those involved. For Yoon Suk Yeol, the action the state and the National Assembly should take is an orderly impeachment. The power of the people should immediately decide on a free vote of impeachment. The National Assembly will join forces to impeach the Yoon Suk Yeol this Saturday, as demanded by the people. I believe that the Constitutional Court will minimize the time for national normalization with the prompt decision to impeach the Yoon Suk Yeol. Thank you once again to the people who are enduring an uneasy daily life, and I sincerely ask you to gather strength and will. ]
[Anchor]
We listened to the position of Supreme Council member Kim Min-seok. The Democratic Party strongly opposed today's statement by President Yoon Suk Yeol. Anyway, the Democratic Party of Korea should watch the atmosphere of people's power now, but it is highly likely to pass this week, right?
[Lee Seung Hoon]
Listening to CEO Han Dong-hoon's story today, it seems almost certain. And it seems that President Yoon Suk Yeol responded to this by recognizing this in advance. Rep. Kim Min-seok also reaffirmed the spiritual substance of Yoon Suk Yeol's president today. I think all the people will think so.
I also got a call or Kakao message from the broadcast today, and the president said he was weird. That's weird, too. I can't stay still. I should go to impeachment. I should go to the National Assembly, these words come out. I think this is the public sentiment.
And the restaurant owners say that all the customers are canceled. After all, the people think of uncertain and unstable things as dangerous. Therefore, the most orderly resignation of President Yoon Suk Yeol is impeachment, and criminal proceedings related to impeachment should be carried out quickly to give people a sense of stability and show them that the Republic of Korea is a normal country.
[Anchor]
Anyway, this week's situation is moving toward an atmosphere where the orderly resignation card is a little out of the blue and the focus is on impeachment. Critic, finally, many people say it can be passed, and if that happens, I think you will be worried and worried about what will happen in the future. What's going to happen from now on? If
[Choi Soo-young]
is decided, it will literally proceed according to the procedure set by law. The hearing goes to the Constitutional Court and then acts as an acting president, but I hope so. The Democratic Party of Korea is now in line, so it is determined that it will impeach the member of the State Council, but the quorum of 15 people is now in danger.
If the president is impeached now, the members of the State Council must be stabilized in order to maintain legal order, but I need to stop the impeachment of the members of the State Council, which is being issued continuously. The Democratic Party's successive impeachment of members of the State Council is blocking the way for the actual government to operate the government in accordance with the constitutional order.
It's a double contradiction, so I think it's time for the Democratic Party to exercise its authority in that respect. If impeachment becomes visible, I will tell you that the Democratic Party needs to focus on the resulting social order and operate politics.
[Anchor]
Looking at the current situation of people's power, it seems that the political situation will continue to be quite chaotic for the time being, regardless of the approval and rejection of impeachment. There were two current affairs critics Choi Soo-young and Lee Seung-hoon. Thank you.
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[Anchor]
Let's start with a political commentary with a lively angle. Today, there are two current affairs critics Choi Soo-young and Lee Seung-hoon. Welcome. The President of Yoon Suk Yeol issued a public statement this morning. Let's hear what it was about again.
[Yoon Suk Yeol Presidential Statement: For the past two and a half years, the big opposition has not stopped stepping down and inciting impeachment in order to bring down a president chosen by the people. He didn't accept the results of the presidential election. Since the presidential election, a whopping 178 impeachment rallies have been held since the beginning of the term. In order to paralyze the president's state administration, we have pushed for the impeachment of dozens of government officials since the inauguration of our government. At the end of the day, criminals are pushing for self-bulletproof legislation that gives themselves indulgence. What do you mean if this is paraplegic or not a national crisis? There are many more serious things that I have not been able to reveal in person until I make a stern decision of emergency martial law. In the second half of last year, there was a hacking attack by North Korea on constitutional institutions and government agencies, including the Election Commission. The National Intelligence Service found this and wanted to check the information leakage and the safety of the computer system. All other agencies agreed to be inspected by the NIS under their own observation, and the system was inspected. However, the Election Commission stubbornly refused, claiming to be a constitutional institution. ]
[Anchor]
is exactly what you heard. How did you feel to the people when you talked about why you declared martial law?
[Choi Soo-young]
I think President Yoon's statement today explained that if I had died, would I have declared martial law? But it's last Saturday. Representative Han Dong-hoon talked about it and then the president said he would take over the party, but I think the atmosphere has changed a little since then. So anyway, impeachment was invalid because the people's power did not enter the plenary session last time, so the vote was not held, but this time, it is difficult to oppose it even with the people's power, and lawmakers are saying that they will vote for it through press conferences.
In this situation, if impeachment is becoming a fait accompli, wouldn't it be better to reveal the reasonable logic of my martial law and why I did martial law on this, and then if the National Assembly impeaches, this impeachment will be a little condensed into the argument that I will go to the Constitutional Court and be judged? Because there is a vast amount of content to be included in the impeachment motion.
I think the president picked only the most important content and spoke briefly today, and he showed a trailer that he would defend for this logic and this reason when hearing at the Constitutional Court with the content to be included in the impeachment motion.
[Anchor]
If I impeach, I will go to the Constitutional Court and face it like this. It was a preview. You used the expression "If you don't like it," and I heard things like impeachment of public officials, blocking claims of foreign espionage, and unilateral reduction budget. How did you like it?
[Lee Seung Hoon]
So, there is still a lack of awareness of reality. If martial law can be declared with such a thing, if this is constitutional, all presidents will become martial law unconditionally in the future. It seemed like he had recently reflected on the unconstitutional and illegal exercise of martial law. It was as if he said he would appoint himself to the party, including his term, but this was simply to drag his feet and prevent his impeachment.
Now that he thought he couldn't stop impeachment, he's cutting off CEO Han Dong-hoon again. CEO Han Dong-hoon ended up being a fool. in trust of the president That's why I'm worried about how the president should take responsibility for it in the future because representative Han Dong-hoon and the people have cheated. If you interpret it in the opposite way to what the president said, the president did not recognize the large opposition party.
And he only investigated for two and a half years to bring down the opposition leader, using the prosecution's power. And he didn't accept the results of the general election. The president has been immersed in the conspiracy theory that the election committee manipulated something without accepting the results of the general election about becoming a huge opposition party. Can you imagine a president who's been in such a conspiracy for two and a half years? I don't understand. The same would have been true of the people.
[Anchor]
Why martial law troops went to the NEC. There were reports from various media, but he talked about the hacking of the NEC himself today.
[Choi Soo-young]
This reveals that this was also the main reason because Kim Yong-hyun, the former minister, said it was only about the president's interest until the last time, but the president said it by wearing it. But for me, this part becomes like this. Of course, it can be pointed out that the president is poor and sloppy, and the NEC's system is now being managed.
However, to be sure, since the NEC did not cooperate, will it be justified for the military to go and collect evidence and bring data? Then, the opposition party can ask the question of whether the presidential election, in which President Yoon was elected 0.76 percent in the last presidential election, was fair. If the election committee is so poorly managed, the opposition party can ask if the presidential election could be a fraudulent election.
But President Yoon seems to be limited to the general election. In fact, even during the last presidential election, there was a lot of evidence and circumstances that the Sokuri vote and the NEC managed very poorly. But what kind of rigged election it was linked to. Of course, I didn't mention the word election fraud.
However, it can be pointed out that this is very sloppy, so to speak, in this IT era that is poorly managed and does not have a very firewall. But if that's the case, I should have done this. Since it is a constitutional institution, if it is an institution that is difficult for public power to be deployed, it is a story to the political circle. I was briefed on the fact that the election watchdog is the foundation of the country and the core of democracy, which is poorly managed, so the ruling and opposition parties should take a closer look at it.
Or should I say, "Please come up with a supplementary measure?" Wouldn't the people judge that it is fair election management that is not biased to either side? However, it was not managed well no matter how much the president was reported by the National Intelligence Service and then Chinese hackers entered the country, and it is not enough to gain legitimacy with such a story. And most importantly, was the general election the only sign of fraud? When asked what he would do in the presidential election, could the Democratic Party launch such a counterattack?
So, I think it would be better for the president to judge the repercussions of these things politically before talking about the poor and loose management of the NEC.
[Anchor]
If it is a real fraudulent election, there can be enough objections such as how to explain the election won by the ruling party. You said that what came out today seemed to have been advised by a lawyer, but it was not intended to destroy the constitutional order and the national constitution. Only a small force was put into the National Assembly. And he explained that if he was really going to take control of the National Assembly, he would have chosen to cut off the power or do it on weekends.
[Lee Seung Hoon]
I think it's absurd. Then, it is no different from saying that they should have acted more unconstitutional and illegally. The most important point is whether the National Assembly has prevented the authority to demand the lifting of martial law. I don't know if the president's argument is correct if he didn't stop it.In order to prevent the National Assembly's demand for the lifting of martial law, Ma urged the National Assembly to use police force to prevent lawmakers from entering and to mobilize soldiers to pull out people who are in the National Assembly. This is clearly intended to neutralize the National Assembly's authority to lift martial law.
This is martial law unconstitutional and illegal. In the past, the president had the right to dissolve the National Assembly. But because of this, it was up to the president. So, isn't it the opinion of the people that the president himself cannot understand that he made the National Assembly impossible to control through constitutional amendment and tried to neutralize it, but believed that this would be neutralized? Because of this part, it is clear that it is unconstitutional and illegal.
[Anchor]
What's at the heart is whether or not you're guilty of rebellion. He also argued that this is not a crime of rebellion, that this is an act of high governance. Let's listen to this, too.
[President Yoon Suk Yeol] My fellow citizens, the opposition party is trying to take me down as a felon and take me down from the presidency. What would happen if the destructive National Constitution and disorderly forces ruled this country? Until now, the forces and criminal groups that led the paralysis and the controversy of the National Constitution should take over the state administration and prevent any threat to the future of the Republic of Korea. I will fight to the end. I immediately accepted the National Assembly's call for lifting. Some people have different ideas about the requirements for martial law, but seeing emergency measures to save the country as an act of rebellion to ruin the country puts our constitution and legal system in serious danger, as many constitutional scholars and lawyers point out. ]
[Anchor]
You just heard President Yoon Suk Yeol's statement. So you're claiming that this is not a crime of rebellion, but an act of high governance.
[Choi Soo-young]
It is certainly true that declaring martial law is the power guaranteed by the President in the Constitution. That's right, but then can the president use it all because all the powers are stipulated in the law? We call this institutional restraint, institutional patience, in political terms. We refer to the president's declaration of martial law as a constitutional hard-line attitude.
Then, the president's constitutional hard-line attitude is that the Democratic Party of Korea objected to the presidential election, held 178 rallies to oust the president, and, so to speak, constantly tried to impeach the heads of major state agencies, neutralized the state administration, and then cut the budget, preventing me from doing anything.
But these are definitely actions that need to be solved by politics. What this is, then, in terms of whether the president could have asked the opposition leader to help him if the opposition party held him back, and then asked the ruling party leader to drill a blocked passage again, or whether the use of martial law, so to speak, a constitutional hard-line attitude, can be justified, but the reason why I think this is insufficient to gain sympathy and persuasion is that the president works only as much as the public's approval rating under a single five-year term system.
If the Democratic Party of Korea held back, I think I should have given back by supporting it to allow me to work through a public opinion campaign and a public statement appeal. So the president's words say that the people didn't support me because I didn't produce results because the Democratic Party prevented me from working, but anyway, since the president is at the peak of his ruling act, he will solve the problem with a high-level political act, which is a high-level act of governing? I can tell you about it because the order is a bit reversed.
This is not an offense. However, the issue of whether this was unconstitutional or illegal was the exercise of the president's authority. However, this will be an issue in the future as to whether the political or social environment was serious enough to put forward its constitutional hard-line attitude when exercising its authority.
However, in the end, I have no choice but to point out that the president has misjudged the order because it is the fate of the five-year single term system to live on the public opinion and work as much as his approval rating.
[Anchor]
So how will the Constitutional Court interpret this claim of high-level governance in the future, this will be the biggest issue?
[Lee Seung Hoon]
President Yoon Suk Yeol has never admitted to governing the former presidents. Park Geun Hye also claimed that it was an act of governance.Ma denied everything. Former President Moon Jae In investigated that he would be criminally punished for returning a person who had committed murder in North Korea to North Korea for not going through procedures.
I think it is absurd for a person who did not recognize the act of governing to claim that unconstitutional and illegal acts of rebellion are acts of governing now. There's something like that in the Constitution. It should be an emergency. It shouldn't be stopped by the police. But at that time, it was so peaceful that the police themselves did not need it.
But suddenly, you're mobilizing the military? This itself is unconstitutional. In addition, under martial law, lawmakers cannot be arrested unless they are current offenders. But why did you try to arrest Representative Lee Jae-myung and National Assembly Speaker Woo Won-sik? I'm telling you that this is illegal in itself. In addition to that, why did CEO Han Dong-hoon try to arrest him? It's absurd.
The president's logic itself is broken. Why did former Chief Justice Kim Myung-soo try to arrest you? I don't understand. Why are you arresting Kim Eo-jun again? There is no justification for what you say, and lies come out about this. It means that he tried to keep it in a counterintelligence agency.
I'm arguing for a really absurd logic. I think the people will be very angry about this because it was the president's statement to the public today that he will fight with the people until the end.
[Anchor]
In fact, the situation turned quite tense this morning. President Yoon Suk Yeol's public statement came just before the ruling party's floor leader election. I guess it's meaningful at this point, too.
[Choi Soo-young]
That's right. Every president's words, actions, and points of view are political acts. But I think I heard that this is a recorded version. Why did we talk about this between 10:10 and 10:40? It was scheduled for the election at 12 o'clock. I think so.
I told the mainstream members of the People's Power that they can impeach me, so don't define me as the crime of rebellion first, but give me a chance to sufficiently argue at the Constitutional Court, but I think I said that even if the party can't defend me in good order, at least don't treat me doubly.
But as soon as this came out, didn't party leader Han Dong-hoon decide to respond by calling for impeachment and even a sort of ethics committee to punish the party's actors? So, I think President Yoon is taking this into account to some extent right before the floor leader.
[Anchor]
Is this the message that you have to pick a kind of Kwon Seong-dong?
[Choi Soo-young]
That's right. I interpreted it indirectly to mean that the party should not draw a line against me, but anyway, Rep. Kwon Sung-dong is now elected by more than a half. Then, I don't know exactly how many votes the party got, but I think more than half of the lawmakers should be reviewed sufficiently, even though the president may be impeached or not, and then I think it's unfair to convict the president of rebellion or separate him from the party.
[Anchor]
Rep. Kwon Sung-dong got 72 votes. [Choi Soo-young] When it comes to 72 votes, about a couple of dozen close lawmakers and even middle-of-the-road lawmakers did it, so if it's 72 votes out of 108, it's two-thirds. If so, it is seen as a sign that the party will be destined together with the president in the future, so I think in this case, Chairman Han Dong-hoon and I are now indicating that the party may be divided.
[Anchor]
I don't think Kwon Sung-dong and Han Dong-hoon will be able to go together.
[Choi Soo-young]
Basically, the party leader asked for the impeachment with the party's theory, and lawmaker Kwon Sung-dong said he would vote down the party's theory. It's a pledge. Then, what will happen to the party if the party leader and the floor leader's exact No. 1 pledge collide?
[Anchor]
To briefly explain the situation this morning, representative Han Dong-hoon has no choice but to impeach him now. I expressed my position through this press conference. This was right before the announcement of the presidential statement. After that, the Yoon Suk Yeol Presidential Statement was published. Since then, the gun has simply turned into a chaos. Let's listen to it.
[Han Dong-hoon / Representative of the People's Power: The president made a public statement that appeared to have been recorded. It was not about reflecting on the current situation, but about rationalizing the current situation and actually confessing to the civil war. I.... I propose to support impeachment as a party platform. Representative Lee Chul-kyu, please speak. What did you say? Rep. Lee Chul-kyu, go ahead. Representative Kang Myung-gyu, speak. Please do say. What did you do well? ) I told you that he did this with the intention of arresting the NEC and politicians. Is it different? Now, get up, don't talk down to me. Rep. Lim Jong-deuk, please stand up and speak. Shouldn't you use honorifics? Rep. Lim Jong-deuk? I can't help but talk about this in this situation. No, listen. So I ordered the convening of an emergency ethics committee to expel or remove the President of Yoon Suk Yeol. ]
[Lee Chul-kyu / People's Power: However, even though the results of the investigation have not been announced and the trial has not been conducted, it seems that there are some politically inappropriate acts and some laws, but I think it is a hurry to conclude that it is a crime of rebellion. I didn't stand here in your personal capacity, but in our party leader's
That's what you're saying at this podium in your position. The CEO's words become the story of our party. I think it is appropriate for the democratic process to at least have a word of consultation with the members at our General Assembly, and to make such a decision or make a presentation. ]
[Anchor]
As you can see, the atmosphere of today's general meeting was like this. Representative Han Dong-hoon should approve the impeachment of President Yoon Suk Yeol as a party platform. And the president of Yoon Suk Yeol must be expelled or removed from office. That's what I said. And today's presidential statement is nothing short of confessing to the crime of rebellion. I expressed my position like this. You can see it as so-called pro-Yoon-gye lawmakers now, how did you react?
[Lee Seung Hoon]
Representative Han Dong-hoon calls out names of pro-Yoon-gye lawmakers and protesting lawmakers. And I'm telling you to get up and talk. From Han Dong-hoon's point of view, President Yoon Suk Yeol's actions are clear and he should reflect on the civil war, but he denies it through a discourse, so tell him if he is confident, but he can't do it properly when he is called out and told to speak.
[Anchor]
Is lawmaker Lee Chul-kyu the only one who woke up?
[Lee Seung Hoon]
That's right. Rep. Lee Cheol-kyu is the only one who woke up, and Rep. Lee Cheol-kyu has a sense of hurry. Then, you can't clearly argue that this is not a civil war. So I know the people are afraid, but for now, I'm clumsy because the purpose is to defend the president of Yoon Suk Yeol, but I made that statement.
Looking at those aspects today, the power of the people can't stop the impeachment of the president. Let's grab the party's power at least. So, I think it's like, "Let's finish this work by making Kwon Sung-dong the floor leader and resigning one of the supreme council members and one of the closest council members to bring down representative Han Dong-hoon, and do it on your own whether you leave the party or not."
By the way, President Lee Yoon Suk Yeol kicked out Lee Joon-seok, dragged down Representative Kim Ki-hyun, and Representative Han Dong-hoon, eventually becoming an isolated worker. You're saying that you're going to be alone and pro-Yoon is going to be alone in politics.
It means that the president will move away from the people, move away from the lawmakers of his own party, and politicize only a few close people. It's like this gangster politics. From the people's point of view, I think there will be sighs and lamentations.
[Anchor]
Kwon Sung-dong, 72, and Kim Tae-ho are 34. Can we predict that impeachment will be passed without difficulty if the number of votes is the current one?
[Choi Soo-young]
will be closed. After it was passed, about 20 lawmakers approved the special prosecution law last time. Looking at the current trend, all the lawmakers who attended last time have withdrawn, so even if they are excluded, more than 20 people seem to think that the president should take both political and judicial responsibilities now. So, didn't Kim Tae-ho support the independent counsel law and at least 34 lawmakers who think it should be separated from the president?
If so, I can estimate the number of people who supported Rep. Kim Tae-ho at least 20 to 30 if you look at these two things, the independent counsel's vote and the number of people who supported Rep. Kim Tae-ho. Then, if it is more than eight votes, impeachment is unconditionally passed, but then what about the power of the people after it is passed?
Now, floor leader Kwon Sung-dong said that a general meeting of lawmakers should be held, but I don't know if he will decide that the general meeting should be recommended or rejected.Wouldn't Ma be held accountable if a leave vote came out and it was approved anyway? Why can the floor leader take responsibility, but he will ask the party leader.
Why did we go with the party line? Then we can ask CEO Han Dong-hoon to take responsibility. So, there is a way for the emergency committee to be formed by the Supreme Council member Lee mentioned, but I think he may launch a political offensive to hold representative Han Dong-hoon accountable. Then the focus here is CEO Han Dong-hoon's choice.
Then, if there is an intention to drive me out by taking political responsibility that will come to me anyway after impeachment, or if there is an intention to resign one of the Supreme Council members to go to the emergency committee, I think CEO Han Dong-hoon can preemptively say it.
[Anchor]
Are you going to quit me?
[Choi Soo-young]
That's right. Even though the impeachment was voted on, the impeachment was done and I have unlimited political moral responsibility as the leader of the party that produced the people, the person in charge of our ruling party, and the president. So I think I can preemptively say that I will step down from this position as much as the president is impeached. Because there is a high possibility that it will proceed physically even if it does not do so anyway, will CEO Han Dong-hoon really dwell on it?
In the end, against his will, 72 people voted for impeachment as a party theory when he asked for it just before the general meeting of the lawmakers. Then, will CEO Han Dong-hoon's leadership be able to stand in this party? Then I think this is a critical watershed and inflection point.
So, if today's Thursday's parliamentary elections come out on Saturday, of course, I think impeachment is a possibility, and if so, I think it's likely that even Chairman Han Dong-hoon can go to a situation where he can no longer share his fate with the party.
[Anchor]
I think a lot of people are curious about that. President Yoon Suk Yeol, if you look at the position of the presidential office over the past few days, you're choosing the impeachment card rather than resigning. But pro-Yoon doesn't say he's in favor of impeachment. How do I look at it?
[Lee Seung Hoon]
What it is is that President Yoon Suk Yeol will probably step down for the purpose of dragging his feet, leaving his job to the party. CEO Han Dong-hoon said, "I'll give you power, so take your time with the Prime Minister and run it well, I think I did this." CEO Han Dong-hoon must have believed it. The president must be really about to step down. Then, rather than going through the impeachment process, if I voluntarily step down and go to the presidential election, I was mistaken for an orderly resignation.
[Anchor]
From CEO Han Dong-hoon's point of view, then you may feel a little deceived.
[Lee Seung Hoon]
That's right. But from the president's point of view, he apologized to Han Dong-hoon as if he was going to hand over power, but actually took a long time to vote down the impeachment and then tried to solidify his position again. However, since the opposition party goes through the impeachment process once a week, I thought I could have stopped it just once, but I couldn't stop it twice or three times. That's why the Democratic Party has exposed a loophole in strategy.
So now, even if it is impeached, we give up, maintain power, and there are only six constitutional judges, and Park Sun-young, chairman of the Truth and Reconciliation Committee, was appointed. It's the execution of Constitutional Judge Chung Hyung-sik. Then, only one person can be rejected. And he seems to think it's worth trying because if he doesn't appoint a constitutional judge recommended by the Democratic Party, all six members of the Constitutional Court will have to agree to impeach him, but what if the president dismisses the impeachment when he is a non-commissioned officer in a calm state? What if all the next presidents declare martial law like this in the future? The Constitutional Court did the same for President Park Geun Hye.
He was mistaken then, too. This will not be impeached. I think the president of Yoon Suk Yeol is also deeply deluded.
[Anchor]
Kwon Sung-dong, the new floor leader, will hold a general meeting of lawmakers today, and will the lawmakers who chose Kim Tae-ho's card right now follow the party's will, isn't this the question of the day?
[Choi Soo-young]
As I said, more than 20 votes approved of the last special prosecution. Didn't the lawmakers who think the party should not go in favor of the party's theory go to lawmaker Kim Tae-ho this time? If so, of course, I need at least two-thirds of the time to agree with the party, but it would be ambiguous. It's because 72 people will be a little ambiguous whether it's two-thirds or not.
However, I think it will be difficult to reject Rep. Kwon with a party theory because there are some who agreed to reject Rep. Kwon with a party theory and others who do not. So I'm probably done with a free vote or there's something called an advisory party line. It is recommended that we reject the impeachment motion within the party.
Recommended party theory or free vote because it is a different matter to resolve with party theory and party theory. I have two things. You want to confirm this with the party's argument? Then, this is a burden on the entire power of the people, so apart from the individual vote of the lawmakers, the party confirms that impeachment of the president is unfair. Inside some kind of people's power, there will be lawmakers asking why President Yoon Suk Yeol's political failure should lead to the failure of the entire conservative party.
President Yoon Suk Yeol's political failure ends with President Yoon Suk Yeol, paving the way for conservatives to recover morally and ethically and politically later, but if we sink into this together, it will be the responsibility of the conservatives as a whole to move toward a community of political destiny, so it will be difficult for me to adopt a party platform, and I think it will be either a recommendative party platform or a free vote.
[Anchor]
It's a high-level act of governance, President Yoon Suk Yeol's statement came out today, and looking at the situation yesterday before the statement came out, I think it was meaningful. Representative Yoon Sang-hyun's remarks were quite controversial. Rep. Yoon Sang-hyun's remarks, Mayor Hong Joon Pyo's position to defend Yoon Suk Yeol President somewhat, how did they fit together like a puzzle? What do you think?
[Lee Seung Hoon]
I think they got it right through a meeting. And it seems that the legal logic has been organized because we have to fight in the impeachment process and in the criminal process anyway. In addition, I personally think lawmaker Kwon Sung-dong will maintain the party's theory. So I think I'm going to bring the lawmakers together at the congress and eventually get the pro-impeachment people to run out and vote on impeachment. So those people are traitors.
That's why don't lawmaker Yoon Sang-hyun say things like "traitor" or "Hong Joon Pyo lawmaker is also a traitor?" So, I think it's a high-level effort to clearly distinguish people who want to vote for their beliefs by maintaining the party's theory, put a traitor frame on them, and even consider Bundang. Didn't lawmaker Yoon Sang-hyun tell you?
The people are angry now, but they will pick me again in a year or two. That's why I told you not to worry. In the end, Rep. Yoon Sang-hyun has chosen that path and is on his way. In the end, I think that I am thoroughly preparing with the president for a path that is contrary to the people.
[Anchor]
There are many prospects in various political imaginations, but isn't it really in the presidential office that Mayor Hong Joon Pyo is now making such a strong statement that seems to defend the president and driving representative Han Dong-hoon? There's no choice but to have this perspective.
[Choi Soo-young]
I'm not going to explicitly talk about it, but of course, there is. It is a well-known fact that all political schedules are geared toward the next presidential election in Hong Joon Pyo. This is the remark that's drawing attention here. It's an act of governance, but what this means is that the mayor of Hong Joon Pyo is also a lawyer. That's why it's an act of governance. I told you.
It's an act of governance because the Constitution has power. But this is called a constitutional hard-line attitude. Such things should be managed through institutional restraint and institutional patience, but can we say that the act of governance is possible? In that respect, this is what the mayor of Hong Joon Pyo says. Point out the inappropriateness of the president, but don't conclude that he is a rebellion.
CEO Han Dong-hoon is saying that this rebellion is a crime, so by differentiating himself from CEO Han Dong-hoon on this story, CEO Han Dong-hoon is a person who is different from the party anyway, and the other is Daegu Mayor anyway. In conservative TK, there are things that President Yoon is a little inappropriate about, but the conservatives should not be completely destroyed. In that respect, we will find people who will be an alternative to conservatism in the future, but with that in mind, Han Dong-hoon also has a differentiation from representative Han Dong-hoon, but he seems to be a little double-faced, saying that he went too far along with the ruling act in the middle of the conservative camp.
in that respect However, I don't know if the mayor of Hong Joon Pyo's words will be persuasive and agreeable in this politics with zero ground.
[Anchor]
Earlier, I showed you the scene of the general meeting of the lawmakers, but I also showed you that representative Han Dong-hoon was being attacked considerably by pro-Yoon-gye lawmakers. This morning, representative Han Dong-hoon finally summarized his position on the impeachment vote and expressed his position through a press conference. Let's listen to that, too.
[Han Dong-hoon / Representative of People's Power: The President should be excluded from state administration, including the right to command the military. As long as it has been confirmed that the president has no intention of stepping down early, an immediate suspension of his duties is required. We need to prevent further confusion. Now there is only one effective way. At the next vote, our party members should attend the meeting and participate in the vote according to their conviction and conscience. (Referring to today that the suspension of duty is needed immediately. Does it mean that you want me to approve of the impeachment of the president? ) That's right. There is no other way than that. (If the impeachment bill is passed, do you feel responsible as the party leader and resign? ) I don't care about my job. I've been working with that thought since the beginning. I'll think about what's really responsible. ]
[Anchor]
I won't dwell on my job. CEO Han Dong-hoon, I answered the reporter's question like this. Should the floor leader, pro-Yoon Kwon Sung-dong, resign today when he was elected? I think you're personally thinking about this, but what do you think the conclusion will come out?
[Lee Seung Hoon]
I think I'm going to think about it a lot. It is true that Rep. Kwon Sung-dong's election itself is a burden to him.Ma doesn't think there's any reason for him to resign just because Rep. Kwon Sung-dong was elected. Nevertheless, I think there are a lot of concerns about whether it is right for me to continue to hold the party power here when the president is deceiving the people like this.
If you keep dwelling on this power, you may be criticized for going back and forth to seek power like that. And the leadership was hurt a bit. In that respect, haven't you lost your mind to some extent? However, if you have time left, you called on the ethics committee to expel President Yoon Suk Yeol today.
Maybe I'll finish this process and quit. That's what I think. Now, President Yoon Suk Yeol has made a considerable failure, and it is his pro-Yoon who defended the Yoon Suk Yeol president, and only when they reflect on themselves and put themselves down together, will Yoon Suk Yeol's failure not result in a failure of conservatives. If he continues to defend the president and say nonsense while holding a handful of power that is not left, the conservatives will also collapse.
In order to prevent these, CEO Han Dong-hoon will also think about it, and I think other pro-yoon members should think about it now.
[Anchor]
It's been about a week since the first vote last week, and I think it's been almost a month. Representative Han Dong-hoon, it's true that some people criticized him for changing his words too much over the past few days, and some advocates argue that the president has broken his promise. How do you see it?
[Choi Soo-young]
I had a solo meeting with the president, so I met a few people in the room. In any case, politicians have to judge themselves. Regardless of what the president said or heard, he has to judge, but it is true that representative Han Dong-hoon has taken a little back and forth in terms of judgment and procedures, politically speaking. I understand. Because they don't control the party.
It's possible because the Democratic Party of Korea has Lee Jae-myung's one-party system and ownership, but isn't it true that representative Han Dong-hoon is not in control of the party and is a leader of a minority non-mainstream, as you saw in the results of the floor leader election this time? As a result, it is true that there was a realistic restriction that his political choice could not move in harmony with the party.
Nevertheless, the party leader should have sent a message that fits the people's sentiment, even though he is an outsider anyway, but he thinks he did, but it is true that it has been reflected back and forth anyway. Because the strong judgment and the very concise and clear leadership I saw that night when martial law was passed that day. Something like this must have been very imprinted on the people.
But after that, I think I could have made it my symbolic capital, but it's also true that I was hurt by taking a little back and forth. After thinking about it, he seems to be saying that he will come back and clearly differentiate himself from the president and then completely rebuild himself by removing the president from this party. From this point of view, I think there is a possibility that representative Han Dong-hoon had a press conference today that he knew that the president's statement would be in advance.
Because it can't be between 10 minutes. If representative Han Dong-hoon had tried to do this press conference, he should have been notified to the press corps at least earlier this morning or last night. However, given that it was not notified and urgently done, I know that the information was obtained from somewhere and that it was only 10 minutes earlier preemptively, but the fact that the president and I made the last choice as a way to differentiate ourselves from each other. I think Han Dong-hoon is paying attention to the extent to which Han Dong-hoon's leadership will be exercised in the future with the results of the floor leader election like this, and this is a part that is linked to the political reorganization of the people's power.
[Anchor]
In the media, representative Han Dong-hoon will announce his affirmation of impeachment through a press conference, and there have been many speculations about whether this will be done before or after the floor leader election. What do you think the announcement made before the presidential speech before the floor leader election is a winning move?
[Lee Seung-hoon]
As you said, I think there is a high possibility that you knew about the president's statement. That's why he has to say something, but CEO Han Dong-hoon is a political novice. That's why all the lies are revealed in writing. And your true feelings are revealed.
That's why the president has to step down voluntarily.So you're following me here, too. But the president didn't voluntarily step down, so he became the one who lied. You can't stand this. He must have a very bad feeling about the president of Yoon Suk Yeol. So, I think there is an aspect of saying that he spoke before the president's statement today.
CEO Han Dong-hoon made a little mistake because he said he would prevent martial law when this martial law occurred, so I felt that the power of the president and the people was quite distinct. But the president sang with Joo Jin-woo. In the meantime, he voluntarily resigned from the post rather than impeachment. And during that period, representative Han Dong-hoon and Prime Minister Han Deok-soo said they would take charge of it through orderly resignation.
This was an innocent idea, and I think I was beaten by the president, but I believed in the purity of the president rather than the purpose of dragging his feet, in the process of becoming the last dead power. Nevertheless, representative Han Dong-hoon's leadership was hurt, and I think I did a good job in presenting the president's statement first even today.
[Anchor]
We need to see the results of the vote the day after tomorrow, but if close lawmakers go in and vote for it in large numbers from the power of the people, do you think it will be evaluated like this by representative Han Dong-hoon? What do you think?
[Choi Soo-young]
That's right. The election of floor leader Kwon Sung-dong in many ways means that if this happens, there will be a basis for holding representative Han Dong-hoon responsible for the impeachment anyway. But what's interesting is that when the supreme council member resigns again, he goes to the emergency committee right away.
[Anchor]
Do you think Jang Dong-hyuk will resign?
[Choi Soo-young]
There is a possibility of resigning, but I don't think we can rule out the possibility. In that case, the floor leader has the authority to form this emergency committee. This is why the election of floor leader Kwon Sung-dong at this point has great implications for the power of the people.
[Anchor]
The pro-Yoon-gye takes control of it.
[Choi Soo-young]
That's right. That's right. And now, the floor leader has authority when forming the emergency committee. In the end, representative Han Dong-hoon will have no choice but to be in a position of isolation, so if the president is suspended from office after the impeachment is passed, the people's power will have no choice but to go down the path of division to some extent. So I think it's meaningful that Rep. Yoon Sang-hyun brought this up right now.
It's a traitor to say that you're a traitor. So this traitor, isn't that a familiar story? Member for Yoo Seung Min is not being summoned? So I think I've already done some guidelines with that in mind.
[Anchor]
Even Bundang?
[Choi Soo-young]
That's what I think. Therefore, the suspension of the president due to impeachment or the transfer to the Constitutional Court will end after Saturday, but will the power of the people be divided if the front line is formed after that? How will they differentiate, how will they go their separate ways? I think this will be the most important key issue in politics.
[Anchor]
The Democratic Party also expressed its position on today's presidential statement. Supreme Council member Kim Min-seok said that the mental substance of President Yoon Suk Yeol has been confirmed. Let's listen to it.
[Kim Min-seok / Minjoo Party's Special Task Force on the Insurrection: This morning's statement reaffirmed the spiritual substance of Yoon Suk Yeol as of this time. The statement that martial law was planned to fail in violation of the Constitution and laws to protect the Constitution is an expression of extreme delusion, a confession of illegal martial law, and a declaration of war to the public. With impeachment in mind, he has already incited the extreme right's unrest by reading the summary of the argument to the Constitutional Court in advance. Furthermore, it publicly ordered the destruction of evidence by those involved. For Yoon Suk Yeol, the action the state and the National Assembly should take is an orderly impeachment. The power of the people should immediately decide on a free vote of impeachment. The National Assembly will join forces to impeach the Yoon Suk Yeol this Saturday, as demanded by the people. I believe that the Constitutional Court will minimize the time for national normalization with the prompt decision to impeach the Yoon Suk Yeol. Thank you once again to the people who are enduring an uneasy daily life, and I sincerely ask you to gather strength and will. ]
[Anchor]
We listened to the position of Supreme Council member Kim Min-seok. The Democratic Party strongly opposed today's statement by President Yoon Suk Yeol. Anyway, the Democratic Party of Korea should watch the atmosphere of people's power now, but it is highly likely to pass this week, right?
[Lee Seung Hoon]
Listening to CEO Han Dong-hoon's story today, it seems almost certain. And it seems that President Yoon Suk Yeol responded to this by recognizing this in advance. Rep. Kim Min-seok also reaffirmed the spiritual substance of Yoon Suk Yeol's president today. I think all the people will think so.
I also got a call or Kakao message from the broadcast today, and the president said he was weird. That's weird, too. I can't stay still. I should go to impeachment. I should go to the National Assembly, these words come out. I think this is the public sentiment.
And the restaurant owners say that all the customers are canceled. After all, the people think of uncertain and unstable things as dangerous. Therefore, the most orderly resignation of President Yoon Suk Yeol is impeachment, and criminal proceedings related to impeachment should be carried out quickly to give people a sense of stability and show them that the Republic of Korea is a normal country.
[Anchor]
Anyway, this week's situation is moving toward an atmosphere where the orderly resignation card is a little out of the blue and the focus is on impeachment. Critic, finally, many people say it can be passed, and if that happens, I think you will be worried and worried about what will happen in the future. What's going to happen from now on? If
[Choi Soo-young]
is decided, it will literally proceed according to the procedure set by law. The hearing goes to the Constitutional Court and then acts as an acting president, but I hope so. The Democratic Party of Korea is now in line, so it is determined that it will impeach the member of the State Council, but the quorum of 15 people is now in danger.
If the president is impeached now, the members of the State Council must be stabilized in order to maintain legal order, but I need to stop the impeachment of the members of the State Council, which is being issued continuously. The Democratic Party's successive impeachment of members of the State Council is blocking the way for the actual government to operate the government in accordance with the constitutional order.
It's a double contradiction, so I think it's time for the Democratic Party to exercise its authority in that respect. If impeachment becomes visible, I will tell you that the Democratic Party needs to focus on the resulting social order and operate politics.
[Anchor]
Looking at the current situation of people's power, it seems that the political situation will continue to be quite chaotic for the time being, regardless of the approval and rejection of impeachment. There were two current affairs critics Choi Soo-young and Lee Seung-hoon. Thank you.
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