[Politics ON] "Han Dong-hoon will not resign even if it is approved" vs "The leadership must resign."

■ Host: Anchor Kim Youngsoo Kim
■ Appearance: Lawyer Yeo Sang-won, political commentator Kim Sang-il

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[Anchor]
The aftermath of Yoon Suk Yeol's unexpected statement yesterday has been intense. In the ruling party, there was a clash between the party leader and a pro-Yoon-gye lawmaker at an open parliamentary meeting. Conflicts between the two sides are escalating to the extent that some may split up. Attention is also being paid to the actions of floor leader Kim Yoon-gye and Kwon Sung-dong. Let's start the politics that looks at the outside and the inside of politics. Today, let's take a look at it with lawyer Yeo Sang-won and political critic Kim Sang-il. Please come in. Hello,

First, Kwon Sung-dong, the new floor leader of the People's Power. I just had a press conference.Ma said that the party should become one, but the division within the party is getting worse. Political circles are also talking about the possibility of the collapse of the Han Dong-hoon system, and we will listen to the voices of the four supreme council members: Kim Jong-hyuk, Kim Jae-won, Jang Dong-hyuk, and Kim Min-jeon.

[Anchor]
I've heard the stories of the four supreme council members of the ruling party. Critic Kim Sang-il knows well about the party, so the ruling party is intensifying the conflict between pro-yoon and pro-Lee. Where do you think the biggest background is?

[Kim Sang-il]
The biggest background seems to be whether or not to recognize CEO Han Dong-hoon. So it seems to me that those who do not recognize representative Han Dong-hoon are basically dissatisfied with the current series of decisions made by representative Han Dong-hoon along with President Yoon and intend to prevent them or weaken the authority of representative Han Dong-hoon.

[Anchor]
Former Supreme Council member Kim Min said that if the president's impeachment is passed, the leadership should resign. It's Chin Yoon.

[Kim Sang Il]
That's what I see as an extension. So, from my perspective, I think the political purge process of representative Han Dong-hoon, called the Kim Ok-gyun Project, continued after representative Han Dong-hoon was elected. I think such things are a common trend, such as the recent controversy over party bulletin boards and resignations in impeachment.

[Anchor]
CEO Han Dong-hoon is also included in the arrest list, right?

[Kim Sang Il]
That's right. That's why you may be asking me again, but I think the 18 people who started lifting martial law are very likely to approve it. This is because President Yoon Suk Yeol confirms that the retaliation hearing is strong enough to put him on the arrest list in such a way if he doesn't like him. What's more, I was more shocked today is that the judge who acquitted Lee Jae-myung in the first trial and even the judge were included on the arrest list, right? So now you're accusing the Democratic Party of impossibly impeaching a prosecutor, and you're targeting the arrest of someone who made the first trial ruling against your will? How amazing is this? I think that the 18 lawmakers who participated in the lifting of martial law may think that they will be targeted by the president or subject to some kind of retaliation in this regard.

[Yeo Sangwon]
I think on the surface, are you for or against impeachment? And do you follow the party line set by the power of the people? It's about changing it again, but in a way, isn't it a sense of crisis, especially their own pay? When President Yoon Suk Yeol is impeached, it is who loses the hegemony of the party, and if representative Han Dong-hoon continues, representative Han Dong-hoon will exercise the right to nominate in the 2026 local government election or here. So if Chin-yoon is impeached even by Yoon Suk Yeol's president now, wouldn't their control of the party be significantly reduced?

I don't know how Han Dong-hoon will support the party at that time, but Han Dong-hoon is in a position to be criticized for the internal problems of the people's power. Here, if representative Han Dong-hoon solidifies his power within the people's power, the pro-yoon's position will be considerably narrowed. I think there's a problem now in this regard.

[Anchor]
There are many controversies over what the power of the people will be in the future. Before we talk to the public, let's listen to the radio interview today. Rep. Park Ji-won and former Rep. Kim Kyung-jin asked what the power of the people will be like in the future and how likely the split will be, and they said this. Let's listen to it. Critic Kim Sang-il, who do you think is right?

[Kim Sang Il]
I think lawmaker Kim Kyung-jin is right. I'm close to zero. It's not zero, but it's close to zero. Because this is what both sides are thinking right now. Why are we going out? You guys have to go out. I'm sure that's the case with CEO Han Dong-hoon. I was elected with the support of 63% of party members and the public, so I have legitimacy, so why would I go out? You guys have to go out. And we are the ones who are supported by the public in this impeachment, so why are we out? And we are the ones who have the position that impeachment should be passed, and if this is passed, the people who tried to vote down should go out. Because that's a failure. So it went our way. Why would we go out? I don't know what I did wrong, I think I'll go out.

In Chin-yoon, we're going out to say who's good. We're new and have been around for a long time. What do you mean, a blue guy comes and tells us to get out? You have to go out. There was a time when the Democratic Party of Korea said that Kim Kyung-jin's argument was correct that he would not go straight into a state of psychological civil war. During the last general election.

[Anchor]
Scream, when there was a real conflict?

[Kim Sang Il]
At that time, the mainstream was the pro-Moon. There were a lot of people who were close to each other numerically. But I couldn't go out. What's the reason you couldn't go out? It was based on the fact that no party went out and succeeded. Because I've been out before.

[Yeo Sangwon]
I think I almost agree with former lawmaker Kim Kyung-jin, but since Bundang is a living thing, I don't know what will happen, but we're making predictions, right? There is little chance of a split. However, there is a possibility that two families on one roof will continue to live together uncomfortable. In particular, Chin-yoon will be a hard-to-use political situation even if there are many numbers.

[Anchor]
difficult to use even though the number is large.

[Yeo Sangwon]
That's right. If it's impeached...

[Anchor]
Would it be different for Chin Yoon, too?

[Yeo Sangwon]
In pro-Yoon's case, there could be a very loyalist like this because it was a real gourd or a real gourd for former President Park Geun Hye, but the technique that has a big meaning now is that Chairman Han Dong-hoon is likely to take control of the party, as it is now. Chin-yoon is still not supported by the people, right? Of course, most of the pro-Yoon is in Yeongnam, so we may think that we can win the election next time, but we can't completely ignore the will of the people, can we?

We will talk about the poll later, but there is a lot of public opinion about the impeachment of the president in PK and TK. in the polls In such a state, when Chin-yoon now wraps around such a president, Chin-yoon also has to lose a little power. And political parties need to have a presidential candidate. Isn't it so? There should be a strong candidate, but CEO Han Dong-hoon has actually lost a lot of support as a presidential candidate in the past few days.

[Anchor]
There are articles that say that the approval rating has fallen a lot recently.

[Yeo Sangwon]
However, just as there are people who can make ends meet even in a slightly ruined family, isn't there someone like CEO Han Dong-hoon who can't appear? Therefore, it will be advantageous in such a fight against the sun to unite around representative Han Dong-hoon. The Liberty Korea Party and the Bareun Party didn't get anything from the division. So, because of this precedent, I think Bundang will be difficult in the end.

[Anchor]
I see. Then let's talk about yesterday's conversation for a while and talk about it more. Yoon Suk Yeol President's statement yesterday: Martial law is an act of governance. Impeachment, I will fight to the end of the investigation. I investigated the election watchdog because I was sure of the election fraud. And he said he never blocked the National Assembly, and he insisted. I did it for 29 minutes.

[Yeo Sangwon]
First of all, it was better not to do it as a general review. Next, to do it, we're going to do a variety of fact checks. This morning, a conservative newspaper also reported that President Yoon Suk Yeol's statement yesterday was quite different from the truth.

[Anchor]
There are quite a few things that are different from the truth?

[Yeo Sangwon]
Even though the president has now lost most of his trust, he made a statement without confirming the facts. Also, I apologized last time when I was talking. At that time, she described Kim Gun-hee as a victim.
However, even in yesterday's statement, he only asserts his legitimacy and says that this is a wrong emergency martial law in the process, but he is the only one who is correct in my argument in a confirmatory bias. Isn't it like pouring oil into a house on fire because it comes out like this that someone else's claim except me is wrong?

[Anchor]
We're giving you a graphic message.A mixed statement with Ma's statement. When I heard about the soldiers who attended the National Assembly, I secured the National Assembly for the first time, controlled the number of people, detention facilities, arrest orders, and lists. There are even statements that President Yoon himself called to break down the door and bring out lawmakers. Do you think President Yoon's statement yesterday will have a big impact on tomorrow's vote?

[Kim Sang Il]
A vote on impeachment. I think it must have had a lot of headwinds and negative effects on the impeachment vote, contrary to his intention.

[Anchor]
There's a high possibility that you're going to approve it tomorrow. Are you looking at it like this?

[Kim Sang Il]
There is a much higher possibility of approving it. It's a vote of conscience, and I'm predicting that the vote of conscience will be between 12 and 20 votes.

[Anchor]
There are a lot of mixed conversations. There are claims that there are more than 600 people who said they put in less than 300 people in the National Assembly. There is also a story that there was an order to wait for the Gwacheon Government Complex. President Yoon's argument and the military's statement are mixed.Ma was talking because it was so different from the statements of the military officials we heard. In this atmosphere, we go back to the story of the power of the people. An emergency ethics committee was held last night. They discussed the level of disciplinary action against President Yoon. I couldn't come to a conclusion. We will listen to the voices of Vice-Chancellor Shin Ji-ho and Policy Committee Chairman Kim Sang-hoon.

[Anchor]
Yesterday, representative Han Dong-hoon said it as soon as the presidential statement of Yoon Suk Yeol was over. He said he would convene an ethics committee to expel him or get him expelled. What do you think will happen?

[Kim Sang Il]
In regards to leaving the party. First of all, you have to be expelled and expelled, but you've heard everything and come back, but there's no provision for the president. So, if the ethics committee decides, lawmakers must be approved by the parliamentary assembly with two-thirds approval. It is highly likely to interpret that the president should apply it because it is an elected position and it is more important than that. Then, no matter how much the ethics committee decides to expel or leave the party now, it seems unlikely that it will be approved by the National Assembly. Then, the aftermath will be strong. So, as far as I know, there is a rule that if the ethics committee recommends leaving the party, it recommends leaving the party, and if you don't accept it, you can automatically be expelled after 10 days. That's why I think we'll go to the recommendation of leaving the party.

[Anchor]
In the past, when the president left the party, the past government. There were a lot of times when you made your own decisions.

[Yeo Sangwon]
It's a political issue. I have to leave something legal about this. As you can see from President Yoon Suk Yeol's statement yesterday, there seems to be no intention of stepping down on his own. And you mentioned your recommendation to leave the party a little while ago, but 10 days later, we talked about expulsion, but there have been no cases in which an incumbent president has been expelled or forced to leave the party, so former President Park Geun Hye would have been expelled after losing his job. Also, as critic Kim Sang-il said, there should be a resolution at the general meeting of the National Assembly at least two-thirds of the time, but there is still a possibility that the pro-Yoon leaders will vote to expel the president of Yoon Suk Yeol or force him to leave the party. Don't we need two-thirds of them?

It's an absolute majority right now, but there's no way to make that decision. Chin-yoon's position now is to go all the way even if the president is impeached. of emergency martial law, in some defense of some justification That's why I think this issue will continue to be held in frustration unless the president leaves the party on his own.

[Anchor]
Thank you. One day before the vote, representative Lee Jae-myung made a statement. He encouraged a vote in favor of impeachment, saying it was the only way. We will also listen to the voice of floor leader Kwon Sung-dong. Floor leader Kwon Sung-dong even held a press conference a while ago. Kwon Sung-dong, the floor leader, is in the fifth term. As floor leader Choo Kyung-ho stepped down and floor leader Kwon Sung-dong stepped in immediately, pro-Yoon-gye's voice was strengthened, and in a way, some say that he may be going in the same direction as President Yoon's idea. How do you see it?

[Kim Sang Il]
Because the symbolism is so great, I think that the anger of the people is getting much higher. Concerns are growing with anger. There is concern that the chaos in the country will persist. And there is a growing anxiety that our personal safety may be threatened again. Rep. Kwon Sung-dong once called it Mul-yoon, but in recent years, he has taken the lead in spreading the position of President of Yoon Suk Yeol and then trying to persuade him. That's why everyone is trying to do something with the president. And there is a concern that there is a possibility of promoting it. But what we have to think about now is that Korea will vote down and hand it over this Saturday, right?

Then, I think there is a very serious threat to the economy, diplomacy, and security. I've been getting calls from economic players since two days ago, and overseas evaluation companies are asking a lot of questions about when this uncertainty will end. That's why the deputy prime minister actually met with the representatives of Sinpyeongsa yesterday.

[Anchor]
Are you talking about a credit rating agency?

[Kim Sang Il]
I met a credit rating agency. Seeing that such questions are coming to me, the pressure and questions must have been enormous for the deputy prime minister.

[Anchor]
Are you saying that international credit rating agencies such as Moody's and S&P will re-evaluate our country?

[Kim Sang Il]
That's why I met with the deputy prime minister, and I think we met to put him to sleep so that he could buy some time. But if the uncertainty is not eliminated after Saturday, the credit rating agencies will ask that question again. And in my view, I'm concerned that there will be quite a bit of re-evaluation of credit ratings.

[Yeo Sangwon]
Since Rep. Kwon Sung-dong talked about it, Chairman Lee Jae-myung's call for impeachment was made a little while ago, and I hope that President Yoon Suk Yeol will not make a statement yesterday, even if we don't use the same logic. . It's because the situation is so serious now that lawmakers know their obligations, but the situation has actually brought about this situation, and of course, President Yoon Suk Yeol has the final responsibility, but I think Representative Lee Jae-myung is also responsible. It seems to be responsible for continuing to hold back the state administration with impeachment and the independent counsel, driving Yoon Suk Yeol to something that really should not be done.

If representative Lee Jae-myung comes forward and calls for impeachment now, isn't he talking about impeachment to satisfy your greed? Of course, he will say no, and the ruling and opposition parties are almost likely to pass the impeachment process. But I have such regrets as to why I needed to come forward and present such a statement that demonizes the president of Yoon Suk Yeol, who has no responsibility and is a person for the country and the people.

[Anchor]
Thank you. Finally, there is a Gallup poll released today and a poll on impeachment. I'll give it to you. The president's approval rating today is 11 percent. It's down 5 percentage points. A Gallup survey showed that 85% of the negative evaluation was recorded. Emergency martial law was the most common in the negative evaluation of presidential job performance, accounting for 49%. And the party's support was 24% of the people's power and 40% of the Democratic Party of Korea. It's an awareness of the emergency situation. Now, 75% of Gallup's votes are in favor of impeachment. Twenty-one percent are against impeachment. And I asked about the response that I thought the emergency martial law situation was a civil war. Seventy-one percent are civil war. There was also a survey on the perception that it was not a 23% civil war. Simply, starting with the impeachment of the Gallup poll released today, 71% of respondents viewed it as a civil war related to the emergency martial law crisis. How did you like it?

[Kim Sang-il]
It's dead duck in one word. The president has no confidence in the economy, diplomacy and security and has become impossible to restore his authority. So, in other words, even if the impeachment bill is rejected on Saturday, I don't think its authority or trust will be restored from the people. Then, as a leader for this country, I think the only way is to back down, or if I can't back down, I'll take the judicial process clean first and restore authority first, and put everything else down in a way that the people can trust.

[Yeo Sangwon]
One thing that is meaningful in detail is that President Yoon Suk Yeol's support for state affairs is now 11%. But 21% are against impeachment. There's a 10% difference. What this is is that the people fully talk about the president's fault in Yoon Suk Yeol, and the people. Twenty-one percent oppose impeachment, but the opposition is also at fault, this 10 percent. Those who belong to that 10% are not just the fault of President Yoon Suk Yeol, but also your fault. I talked about CEO Lee Jae-myung earlier. So it would be meaningful for Lee Jae-myung or the Democratic Party of Korea to think about why this difference was so different, I think so.

[Anchor]
Thank you for the political analysis today. So far, political power. It was with lawyer Yeo Sang-won and political critic Kim Sang-il. Thank you very much. Thank you.