■ Hosted by: Anchor Park Seok-won, Anchor Yoon Bori
■ Starring: Seo Yong-ju, Director of the Political and Social Research Institute, Yoon Hee-seok, Senior Spokesperson for People's Power
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[Anchor]
In a little while, at 4 o'clock, the second impeachment vote of President Yoon Suk Yeol begins.
[Anchor]
Attention is focusing on how much votes will be passed from the power of the people.
Let's talk with Yoon Hee-seok, a spokesman for People's Power, and Seo Yong-ju, director of the Political and Social Research Institute. How are you?
[Anchor]
First of all, the emergency meeting of the people's power began at 10 a.m., and floor leader Kwon Sung-dong seems to be in a position to participate in the vote, but why is the meeting so long?
[Yoon Heesuk]
Shouldn't we come to a conclusion today on the question of changing our party's theory? The process won't be easy. And it will take a lot of time because there is a process in which all members have to speak their minds in front of members.
[Anchor]
Then, what can we guess about the part that ruling party lawmakers are most struggling with right now?
[Applicant owner]
Once we acknowledge the impeachment motion, don't we recognize the president who caused the civil war? So it's a different logic from the national perspective. Even though they have to worry about whether they are sympathetic to the civil war if they oppose the impeachment, if they strangely acknowledge the civil war, they become a civil war party that recognizes the civil war. With this logic, I think I'm having a long time in the power of the people in the Assembly. I want to judge from the people's point of view first.
Considering their political gains, no matter how much they argue, they can't come to a conclusion. What do the people want? Now, President Yoon Suk Yeol has committed an illegal martial law equivalent to the crime of rebellion, and his duties should be suspended for now. This is the opinion of many people. If you're a politician, isn't it right to follow the will of the people, regardless of the ruling and opposition parties? It seems that it takes a long time to go against the will of the people.
[Anchor]
The Democratic Party of Korea also held a general meeting this morning, where spokesman Noh Jong-myeon said that even the prospect of approval and rejection is meaningless. What kind of discussion do Democrats see now?
[Applicant owner]
First of all, the result of today's vote is entirely up to the power of the people. So more than eight votes away. Then, wouldn't this be the last chance for the power of the people to really do this? It took a week, almost eight days, to get those issues that should have already been passed on December 7th. How was the situation in South Korea for 8 days? The exchange rate soared, stock prices plunged, and then diplomacy and security almost flowed into anarchy. Considering that various confusion eventually came this far, the Democratic Party of Korea passed and the rejection was meaningless. This is a situation in which a suspension of duty is unconditionally required. Han Dong-hoon, the head of the ruling party, said, "Even though President Yoon Suk Yeol is not aware of his crimes at this point, he should approve of impeachment." Then I'd like to tell you that it's very frustrating what I'm hesitating and thinking more about.
[Anchor]
As you said, CEO Han Dong-hoon is sending a message to vote. Even on my way to work this morning, I sent this message, thinking only about the Republic of Korea and the people.
[Yoon Heesuk]
That's right. On Friday, representative Han Dong-hoon has already officially spoken in favor of impeachment. Likewise, today's message explicitly states that judging impeachment by being stuck in camp logic is not the right thing for the people, and both the ruling and opposition parties should not judge this situation by thinking only about their own party or their supporters. You have to look at the whole country and fulfill your duty as a member of the National Assembly. I understand that this is the most basic, but most important, message that came out today.
[Anchor]
CEO Han Dong-hoon, you're watching me on my way to work. A one-man protest and a scene where lawmaker Kim Sang-wook approaches and hands over a scarf during a one-man protest. It's this scene. Rep. Kim Sang-wook has continued to protest one-man, shaking hands and greeting the lawmakers. It was impressive to see him give a scarf like this. How did you see it?
[Applicant owner]
Rep. Kim Sang-wook acted courageously on December 7th. Of course, he voted down, but nevertheless tried to fulfill his responsibilities as a member of the National Assembly. And since then, from the public's perspective, they are now saying that they are ashamed of the people's power to deal with the civil war and the seniors' appearance. Since this position is probably the same as representative Han Dong-hoon's position, I think he wore a scarf on behalf of him on a cold winter day, feeling sorry for the seniors of the people's power and their colleagues shouting for impeachment. Why have you been in politics while watching other lawmakers who just pass those aspects, especially Yoon Sang-hyun and Na Kyung-won, who are said to be senior members of the people's power? Even first-term lawmakers struggle to meet the will of the people like that, but why do they think only of their own interests while moving away from the people? I'd like to add that I'd be embarrassed if I saw it.
[Anchor]
Seven lawmakers, including lawmaker Kim Sang-wook, have publicly expressed their intention to vote in favor of the vote so far. How do you expect the vote in a moment?
[Yoon Heesuk]
Many people expect how many votes will be cast in our party, but eight votes are the turning point. I expect that number to go over. Considering that there are nearly 30 lawmakers who will participate in the vote, it should be seen that there are quite a few who will participate in the vote with the intention of approving the impeachment bill. In addition to seven people already openly expressing their approval, if we analyze it a little, we expect that it will eventually exceed 200 votes in favor. So, with about 20 votes in favor of our party, it's probably going to be combined with the opposition vote, so I personally expect that.
[Anchor]
Publicly, it is 7 votes, and former spokesperson Yoon Hee-seok predicted that about 20 votes will be passed, but in the floor leader election of Kim Tae-ho, 34 people voted for Kim Tae-ho. As a result, there are predictions that there will be more than 34 people.
[Applicant owner]
It's possible to predict that. And let's take part in this vote for opinions that do not deviate much from the current legislative body. Let's not abstain. So, even though the opposition to impeachment is actually a party platform at this point, we'll have to come to a conclusion about it by 3:30 p.m. Then, even if it does not change much, if it is left to self-voting, it is just a self-voting at the level of recommendation, and if it enters self-voting, it is highly likely that lawmakers will do as they wish. In that case, I think more than 20 to 30 votes can be voted in favor, so I'm consuming too much unnecessary energy by the people right now. Aren't you saying that you're going to do it from morning to 3 o'clock? Isn't that too clear? President Yoon Suk Yeol's statement to the nation, the suspect of the civil war, made yesterday. Anyone can tell that it doesn't add up when the people who have the intellect of the Republic of Korea listen to it. As representative Han Dong-hoon said, he will prevent the president from making a statement confessing to the crime of rebellion today. How the power of the people who have protected the value of conservatism is trying to endure this stigma. I may struggle with the fact that the passing of the impeachment today is actually the same decision as the citation of the impeachment trial, but nevertheless, this is probably the time to think and judge only the Republic of Korea and the people as I said.
[Anchor]
President Yoon's fate is expected to be divided in about two hours. However, not only President Yoon but also the ruling party, including Chairman Han Dong-hoon, are showing signs of becoming a turning point for fate. The division of the ruling party is serious now.
[Yoon Heesuk]
We have to see if impeachment is approved or rejected. First of all, even though representative Han Dong-hoon explicitly expressed his support for impeachment, the impeachment will be rejected today. In that case, it will be difficult for representative Han Dong-hoon to remain in office anymore. There will be this judgment that the party will not stand. In addition, because the opinion on impeachment that he thinks has not been carried out, it can be said that he has lost any more political justification, at least within the party. But what will happen within the party if the impeachment is passed? There must be many so-called pro-yoon people who oppose impeachment, and then there is a high possibility that there will be such criticism as to whether the party leader who led the impeachment is in this party. On that, the opinions of those who make up the leadership, such as representative Han Dong-hoon and representative Han Dong-hoon, have not been in favor of martial law, as representative Han Dong-hoon has argued so far. He is making this logic as to why he should step down from the leadership because of the impeachment when he had a justification that he was not involved in the civil war.
In my opinion, after the approval, floor leader Kwon Sung-dong and others who call themselves pro-yoon are likely to talk about party unity first. Outside the party, you would expect our party to show a very big division, but we fully know what the results of the various divisions we saw during the impeachment eight years ago have been like, and the people don't want to see it again. Because of this public opinion, I think we will put more emphasis on solidifying the party and resolving the confusion rather than arguing more about the impeachment issue.
[Anchor] Whether
is voted down or not, in the end, if representative Han Dong-hoon is physically holding out, he does not have to step down, but what we pay attention to here is whether the top committee will resign or not, as is the case with Supreme Council member Jang Dong-hyuk. Also, Supreme Council member In Yo-han recently announced his intention to resign, but isn't it that floor leader Kwon Sung-dong dissuaded him? Why did I dissuade him now?
[Seoyongju]
For now, the current state of people's power is not so idle. It is depicted that he asks CEO Han Dong-hoon to take responsibility and kicks him out? Then what kind of sanity are they? Aren't you doing something similar to the president? The people will think like this. Because he managed to pass the impeachment of the president, who is now suspected of civil war, and holds the incumbent party leader accountable for that part? In fact, isn't it the pro-Yoon group within the party that has led the president to this point? It is President Yoon Suk Yeol, the core of the pro-yoon faction, who caused problems while enjoying all the support from the pro-yoon group, so why should Han Dong-hoon, the representative who criticized him, be responsible? That's what the people will think. And we go back to December 3rd. What did Chin Yoon do? The majority were scattered around the party, led by floor leader Choo Kyung-ho, or even though they were in the floor leader's office, they did not participate in the vote. I didn't stop the illegal martial law. After all, the people who might be suspected of sympathizing with the civil war are now approved in impeachment, so to speak with 18 people at the time, they hold the only members of the people's power responsible for preventing illegal martial law. Isn't this ironic? That's why Kwon Sung-dong, the floor leader, will honestly do that much calculation. Therefore, there may be plans to destroy CEO Han Dong-hoon in a very slow and slow manner, but not immediately. So I don't think it's easy to break it down right now with the theory of responsibility.
[Anchor]
You said you would make Han go out very slowly, but Han Dong-hoon is also strong. I'll never step down. It is said that he revealed this position to his aides. Why am I stepping down? If you can pull it down, get it down, this is the position.
[Yoon Heesuk]
So first of all, people think a lot about being dragged down as a basic premise, but I don't think it's a good situation for the party right now. For example, in the recent general meeting, lawmakers protested against Representative Han Dong-hoon, so they expect that there will be a serious division after the impeachment vote, but as shown by floor leader Kwon Sung-dong's refusal to resign, everyone is thinking about what will happen to the party if Han Dong-hoon's leadership collapses. Regardless of whether there is anyone who can replace Han Dong-hoon, when the current leadership has to step down and reorganize the emergency committee, whether the emergency committee will be formed properly, and how will the public see the situation where the emergency committee is forced to stand up again due to the division within the party? We need to see more importantly how the people, including conservative supporters, see that the president is on the verge of impeachment and the party and the ruling party are in this situation. And among the various aspects that representative Han Dong-hoon has shown since the martial law was invoked, our party has created a situation where we can cope with the situation with some justification, so in that respect, we have no choice but to unite around representative Han Dong-hoon. I think this is the logic of the Han Dong-hoon leadership.
[Anchor]
There may be logic that we should gather around Han Dong-hoon, but since Kwon Sung-dong, the floor leader, is dominating the majority of pro-Yoon-gye and numerically as the floor leader, what plans does Han Dong-hoon have for the future? What kind of way is there?
[Applicant owner]
So, CEO Han Dong-hoon actually had a practical experience. On December 3rd, the first step on the illegal martial law was done well. But now it's December 14th. In the middle of that, we had December 7th. I put this December 7th into practice. If he continued to do the actions that he did on December 3rd until the 7th, he would not have been able to say a word to representative Han Dong-hoon in the party. It is the position of the people's power to resolve the civil war after the impeachment is passed on the 7th. Then who will talk about the sympathy of the rebellion until the 14th? The presidency has already been suspended. However, in the end, it is inevitable that various falters while taking a break from a tempo have caused the crisis of representative Han Dong-hoon, but if you change your position and come up with an exit strategy as a politician, you have to go back to the beginning. Although it is not a badge of the time, which he received the support of 63% of the party members and the people, his leadership lies with the party members and the people, who are his support base. In fact, there are not many supporters in the party. In that case, they have no choice but to bring back various support for the people and fight with the pro-Yoon group. However, floor leader Kwon Sung-dong is at the helm. That's what it looks like.
[Anchor]
Yoon continued to say that the division of people's power will not be as big as you think.Ma said, "If the impeachment vote is passed by more than 30 votes today, the power of the people can go all the way to the Bundang, because Rep. Park Ji-won of the Democratic Party said so. How do you see it?
[Yoon Heesuk]
Rep. Park Ji-won has made a lot of such provocative remarks to our party several times so far. I don't remember that it's ever been realized properly. It may be what you expect, but you're saying this without knowing our situation. We don't have the power to split up and split up. I'm saying I can't afford that. From the perspective of our party, which has to face impeachment again suddenly due to the sudden invocation of martial law, how many lawmakers can think of this now, saying, "Let's split up and pursue something again in the future." And as a result of our split eight or seven years ago, those who went out to the Bareunmirae Party came back in less than a year.
The confusion that took place in the process, and the relationship with those who remained as the Bareunmirae Party was not established, so we suffered a lot of damage, such as passing the election law at the end of the 20th National Assembly. Everyone knows that we can't divide anymore. There is a possibility that I will never think about it until Bundang and fight fiercely inside. However, I affirm that there will never be a clear split image due to different parties.
[Anchor]
So what about the Hong Joon Pyo mayor's advice? Why is there a reason to send him to prison for rebellion against the president? He said today that he should step down in an orderly manner in cooperation with the ruling and opposition parties. What do you think of such an opinion?
[Applicant owner]
So strangely, it's half a beat and one beat slow. Daegu Mayor of Hong Joon Pyo. I think you're confused, too. To start with, it's a single sound. It's not a situation where it's already coming down in an orderly manner, and the ruling and opposition parties are dealing with the political situation. So I put a spoon on it, but I think I said a little bit, and now through a vote that will be held in an hour and a half, it is the only way to deal with the political situation to become a president who is almost unable to make a rational judgment right now. The ruling party leader is also talking about it, but I don't think it means much evaluation that the mayor in Daegu doesn't have to judge the situation and talk about it.
[Anchor]
Whether it's approved or rejected in a little while, I can't help but keep questioning whether I can go with Chin-yoon. How do you interpret this part outside the ruling party?
[Applicant owner]
First of all, I think these are issues that we need to think about after today's vote. It doesn't mean much in the realm of speculation. After the vote, the speaker of the National Assembly is planning a meeting with the representatives of the ruling and opposition parties. I think the political situation itself should be resolved gradually by looking at the situation in an hour and a half today.
[Anchor]
You said you need to look at the situation after the vote, but aren't you saying you're going to see the results of the vote at President Yoon's residence today? However, I think this is also a question of what kind of position President Yoon will take after this vote. Because opinions suddenly came out even within the party, what do you think about the possibility of another additional position after today's vote?
[Yoon Heesuk]
You can tell me how you feel about the results. However, it is difficult to say whether it is meaningful or not in that situation because the exercise of authority is completely different even if the status is maintained depending on whether it is approved or rejected. I'm going to divide it like this. For example, if it is approved, will the job be suspended? There will be a limit to what you can say in such a situation. However, if it is rejected, if it becomes a situation where you can do your job normally while maintaining your presidency, as you said, any other measures, actions to fulfill your will in the future, specific stories, etc. can be mentioned. This can be seen as a situation to be watched after the vote.
[Anchor]
If the impeachment motion is passed in a little while, the president's exercise of authority will be suspended as soon as the impeachment resolution is delivered to the president's office. If this happens, Kim Gun-hee's special prosecutor law has recently been passed. Can't I veto this part anymore?
[Applicant owner]
That's right. It's practically impossible to do it administratively. In the end, Prime Minister Han Deok-soo, who is acting as an acting president, will probably decide on this part. But in fact, I think President Yoon Suk Yeol is looking forward to the reason why he is voting now. If the people's power lawmakers save me once more, I'll fight something properly. But I don't know if the president should use these words on TV, but he's shameless. This is not a problem within us to fight while maintaining our position after causing confusion in the Republic of Korea, but we have to face it all over the world.
How the Republic of Korea deals with and responds to this. To be honest, if you put a president who dreamed of becoming a dictator, who wanted to destroy democracy using the military's force, and who dreamed of becoming a dictator in that position because of the political situation, even if he was there, diplomacy would be suspended, the economy would crash, and security would be doing nothing. If you have authority because of the diminished authority, which Cabinet members in any administration would move? That's why I have no hesitation in this regard if the People's Power lawmakers think of the Republic of Korea and the people, right? I'd like to say that.
[Anchor]
President Yoon mentioned that he has some expectations, should we consider it the same part? How do you see this move to reverse the 2nd term and appoint a Supreme Court justice or replace the defense minister?
[Yoon Heesuk]
First of all, President Yoon seems to have expressed his intention to confront him head on even if impeachment is voted on. You can't even stop the National Assembly's decision. Even if that happens, it seems that the Constitutional Court is likely to reject the impeachment if he becomes the center of the impeachment argument and fully explains it at the Constitutional Court. If so, the Constitutional Court will not recognize impeachment despite the National Assembly's decision, so he can return. With such a situation in mind, even if a normal suspension of duty is excused, I will continue to serve as a normal president until that moment. I think it's a sign of that will.
[Anchor]
In the meantime, I'm very curious about how long it will take for the Constitutional Court to issue a ruling, but I think the two things are very intertwined, such as when the ruling of the Democratic Party of Korea Chairman Lee Jae-myung will be announced.
[Applicant owner]
First of all, it seems inappropriate to link representative Lee Jae-myung's sentence to the current civil war, but it is a political situation, so we will analyze it. First of all, if it is passed today, the Constitutional Court will make a judgment within 180 days by law. It can be more than that. at one's discretion Then it'll usually be less than six months. If the trial is cited in the Constitutional Court, the presidential election must be held within 60 days. Then it will be up to 240 days. I can expect August next year, if it is approved today. Representative Lee Jae-myung's current public election law and perjury teacher's trial parts, especially the public election law, are 6, 3, and 3, so those that come out before August are usually the right schedule. However, considering the various schedules in itself, I don't know if it will come out before August or not. However, it is clear that in this situation, the Democratic Party of Korea's Chairman Lee Jae-myung's trial schedule is not to prosecute the president's impeachment or insist on an early presidential election. What I keep saying is that various indicators of the Republic of Korea are now in a difficult situation in many ways as the president who has committed rebellion continues to be in office. Once I've suspended my job, I'd like to say that's something we can discuss.
[Anchor]
In the future, the six-member constitutional court system, this part is also being talked about continuously, and doesn't the National Assembly mean that the appointment process will be completed by the end of this year? How will this be a variable?
[Yoon Heesuk]
I'm saying that I'll finish the recommendation process. Appointments are made by the president, but there is a problem from here. If impeachment is passed and the acting president becomes the acting president, the acting president must appoint a constitutional judge on behalf of the president, right? However, when Park Han-chul, the then chief justice of the Constitutional Court, stepped down due to the expiration of his term in the impeachment trial of Park Geun Hye, it was not appropriate for the acting president to appoint one more constitutional judge at the National Assembly, and the eight-member system in the Constitutional Court is not disadvantageous to the respondent, Park Geun Hye, because one vacancy can be regarded as an expression of opposition to the impeachment citation. That's why I didn't fill in. It was decided to cite 8:0 under the eight-member system.
Then, we have to reverse the intention shown by the National Assembly at the time. You have to come up with a logic to reverse that you can't appoint an acting authority. In addition, even if acting Han Deok-soo can be appointed, two more constitutional judges will resign in April due to the expiration of their terms. Therefore, the composition of the nine judges of the Constitutional Court is very likely to be a problem. In that regard, if the impeachment is passed to the Constitutional Court, many people are worried about whether the judgment can proceed smoothly within 180 days.
[Anchor]
On the other hand, a shocking report came out yesterday in the Ministry of Science and Defense. YouTuber Kim Eo-jun claimed to have received a tip that there was a plan to kill CEO Han Dong-hoon in connection with the emergency martial law incident. Therefore, we will continue to see and talk about the reaction of floor leader Kwon Sung-dong, the power of the people.
[Kim Eo Jun / YouTuber: 1. Kill Han Dong-hoon who is arrested and transferred. 2. Cho Kuk, Yang Jung-cheol, and Kim Eo-jun are arrested and run away while pretending to raid and rescue the troops being escorted. The killing of Han Dong-hoon is easily attributed to North Korea.]
[Kwon Seong-dong / People's Power Floor Leader: I think the market is up. Can the world's jangdolbaegi stay still? But maybe a day before the impeachment vote, we're going to shake up our party...]
[Anchor]
Kim Eo-jun's claim, I received a report that there was a plan to kill CEO Han Dong-hoon. The informant said he could not reveal it, but he said he received such a report from an ally country with an embassy in Korea. Do you think it's credible?
[Applicant owner]
It's hard to say that it's reliable because the credibility hasn't been confirmed yet. But what do you mean if you said this before the illegal martial law? Like floor leader Kwon Sung-dong, I'm going to ask him to bring some conspiracy theory to the National Assembly and talk about it. But didn't all Koreans see each other? In terms of the fact that there are unbelievable situations going on in this illegal martial law, maybe Kim Eo-jun came out and talked about it even as a precautionary measure. I'll remember it from the past. Rep. Kim Min-seok, Rep. Kim Byung-joo, and Rep. Park Sun-won are preparing for martial law. What are you talking about? Everyone pointed their fingers like that. Even former Defense Minister Kim Yong-hyun will come to the standing committee and prevent the country if the president does that.
You said, "Don't say such weird things," but who was the core of the rebellion? The person who lied like that has now committed an illegal martial law with the president. Even if Kim Eo-jun's claim is not confirmed or conspiracy theory when he lives in such a country, the people should know. In terms of vaccination in advance and checking whether this has happened, it is meaningful to some extent as a tip-off to confirm the facts. At all, this is not enough to be treated like some kind of jangdolbaengi. Because the situation is not that good right now.
[Anchor]
The conspiracy theory actually took place, and since there is a precedent, we need to check this issue more, how did you hear it?
[Yoon Heesuk]
The place was the National Assembly. And what Rep. Kim Min-seok and others talked about martial law, it became true. It's this logic. Rep. Kim Min-seok and others are members of the National Assembly. At least in the subtitles, what a lawmaker says is a YouTuber, but it's a completely different weight for someone like Kim Eo-jun to talk about such a conspiracy theory. If the Democratic Party of Korea really wanted to use this politically, it would have been much better to have Kim Eo-joon present and say everything he wanted to say without being defenseless. This is because Kim Eo-jun has led a lot of controversies over ecological soup to attack Mayor Oh Se-hoon in the April 7 by-elections in 2021, including the Ferry Sewol and the election fraud. If you made such a claim on your personal YouTube broadcast, it would be difficult to make a big problem, but you come to the National Assembly and talk officially like that while the whole nation is watching. He said that he himself has not confirmed it. It is very regrettable that the Democratic Party of Korea's decision to allow such a public statement to be made at the National Assembly. And I believe that the people will judge what Kim Eo-jun says by distinguishing what he says from what Democratic lawmakers say.
[Anchor]
Not only the killing of the representative, but also the killing of the U.S. military and covering it with the work of North Korea. And I even said that I planned biochemical terrorism. If it's true, it's so serious that I don't think Kim Eo-jun would have said anything very unfounded. What additional grounds can come out?
[Applicant owner]
As far as I know, Rep. Park Sun-won of the Democratic Party is checking the facts. I think it's that idea to check whether it's true or not and let the people know again. However, if you look at it, it seems that it was the only breaking news of MBN, but there are rumors that it was a report from an agent from the HID North Korean agents. At that time, seven people went to Bundang for three nights and four days at the time of the illegal martial law, which was equivalent to a civil war. That's what they do. When you go to North Korea, they do things that people there do as if they're causing a disturbance, and they've had very high-level operational training, so they can do that in here as well. That's why I believe that if the agent's report is correct, it's reliable. It might not fit all of them. As Rep. Kim Min-seok has argued so far, not all of his arguments are correct. But wasn't the worst situation among them, the illegal civil war. It's like that. Kim Eo-jun didn't get everything right, but wouldn't it be terrible if he got it right? And in a recent interview with a parent station by Brad Sherman, a member of the House of Representatives, the United States is well aware. There was also a part that said, "Even if the ROK Armed Forces pretend to be the work of North Korea with this play, we will figure it out and respond to it," so I think I will have to figure out the facts and decide whether or not to criticize this part a little more.
[Anchor]
The People's Power Media Special Committee says it will take legal action with this fact, but are there any fact-checking parts?
[Yoon Heesuk]
In order for the party to take legal action, we have to do something before we know the facts. That's why we condemn Kim Eo-jun for making such remarks without revealing the grounds and even revealing the informant. We take legal action after at least confirming the facts. Since that is basic common sense, the party will definitely check it and hold Kim Eo-jun accountable for his irresponsible remarks.
[Anchor]
Now, there are about an hour and 15 minutes left before the vote, and pre-rally rallies are taking place in Yeouido, including Gwanghwamun, in a quite large crowd ahead of the main assembly. Let's take a look at the scene. The left side of the screen is in front of the National Assembly, where citizens who are in favor of impeachment are gathered today. And the right side of the screen is Gwanghwamun. You're watching citizens rally against the impeachment of President Yoon Suk Yeol.
[Anchor]
Earlier, we showed you in front of the National Assembly through reporter Chung Hyun-woo. It was full of citizens. There were people holding candles and holding hand signs calling for the impeachment of Yoon Suk Yeol's president and calling for the ruling party to join the impeachment. The plenary session starts at 3 o'clock, and since the pre-meeting, a large crowd has already gathered in front of Yeouido in favor of impeachment. And I also showed you Gwanghwamun on the right side. It was against impeachment. You are watching the pro-impeachment rally in front of Yeouido on the full screen.
[Anchor]
In the middle of the roadway on the National Assembly Boulevard, vehicles are now closed, and as you can see, there are also many citizens sitting on mats and cushions.
[Anchor]
There are so many people gathered that it can't be called a car. Yeouido Park Road is completely closed to the Capitol. Although all the variable lanes of the National Assembly, which are connected to the Seogang Bridge, are operated, they are in favor of impeachment, which is taking place as the organizers control the stage by four cars. On the other hand, let's look at Gwanghwamun. I can see an anti-impeachment rally taking place in Gwanghwamun.
[Anchor]
Conservative groups are holding rallies against impeachment and calling for the protection of Yoon Suk Yeol's president. I can see you holding the Korean flag in your hand.
[Anchor]
From 1 p.m., this is the view in front of the Dong-A Duty Free Shop in Gwanghwamun. Not only the Republic of Korea's movement to set it straight, but also a large number of citizens who oppose impeachment are gathered. In addition, the New Freedom Alliance reported that it would hold a presidential rally in front of the north gate of the Yongsan War Memorial from 4 p.m. In this way, the pro-impeachment side Yeouido, and the anti-impeachment side Gwanghwamun, we are showing the rally scene. There is about an hour left until the vote. Now you've seen citizens go out to the streets and constantly speak out to them.
[Anchor]
This time, let's talk more about the rebellion investigation. The prosecution, the police, and the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit are speeding up the investigation. It's on the 12th. President Yoon also made a public statement on the background of his declaration of emergency martial law. Let's take a look at the main content.
[Yoon Suk Yeol / President: To invoke martial law by judging the current state of paralysis as a state-of-the-state collapse of administrative justice due to social disturbance, but its purpose was to warn the public to stop the anti-national defeat of the great opposition party. It is obvious that the reason for putting troops into the National Assembly, even though it is small, is to symbolically inform the devastating behavior of the large opposition party and to maintain order in preparation for a large number of National Assembly officials and citizens who watched the martial law declaration broadcast, not to dissolve the National Assembly or paralyze its function. What on earth is a two-hour civil war? How can a president's constitutional decision and act of governance be a civil war? The president's exercise of the right to declare emergency martial law is an act of governance that is not subject to judicial review, such as the exercise of amnesty and diplomatic power. ]
[Anchor]
In summary, declaring martial law was a highly political act. And it was a warning to the opposition. It wasn't really intended to be a civil war. But the field commanders are making the opposite statement. One side is lying. How do you see it?
[Applicant owner]
Anyone can see that the president is lying. Who would all the executioners have been instructed to come from? So the soldiers and police who participated in the civil war are all the heads of state. the commander-in-chief Will they be arrested in an emergency while lying in front of the people? Rather, if you think you're going to lie, let's kiss on the president's side. So if you think about it in common sense, it's like that. Who's the only one lying in Korea? The president, who was the center of the civil war, is lying alone. I know that from common sense, but I'll tell you that I'm continuing to do things that go beyond that common sense.
I'll tell you three things. Emergency martial law was a warning to the opposition. The Constitution and laws of the Republic of Korea prevent it from being used to warn of emergency martial law. The wartime rebellion is very limited to be used in the absence of security order. If you use it incorrectly, the punishment itself will be sentenced to death, life imprisonment, and life imprisonment. So it can't be used as a warning. Didn't you say you used it as a warning? It's a confession of rebellion.
And then the big opposition's defeat? It's a political problem. Why use emergency martial law for private revenge? This is not acceptable in the Constitution. I got this wrong, too.
Third, it is an act of governance. This is not a part of legal judgment. Already, the Supreme Court's precedents have been ruled by the court to face legal judgment even if it violates the basic rights of the people, even if it is an emergency martial law. He confessed to the public that all of these Korean constitutional systems, delusions without a basic concept of democracy, and far-right YouTubers claim. That's why it's not worth the review.
[Anchor]
One of the testimonies that contradicted the public statement came from the police chief, Jo Ji-ho. There is a part that there was an order for the arrest of an incumbent judge. However, President Yoon's statement to the public contends that it was inevitable because of the move to impeach the judiciary in the background of martial law, but in the case of the Supreme Court and the Seoul Central District Court, if the order of arrest is true, it is the neutralization of the judiciary. How do you view the conflicting claims?
[Yoon Heesuk]
If that's true, it didn't happen during the Yushin regime. If the judge made an emergency martial law with that thought, of course, the judiciary has no choice but to make the highest level of protest. The important thing is to reveal whether there was really a clear directive. The president has said that there is no such thing so far, and isn't there a report that there is a list of people who have ordered the arrest of the police chief, others, or warrants? In conclusion, this part must be revealed through investigation. I don't think I can say anything at this time.
[Anchor]
There is a breaking news while I am talking, so I will deliver it to you. Earlier, we showed a huge crowd at the Yeouido and Gwanghwamun rally sites live on site. According to the breaking news just now, as of 2:45 p.m., due to the concentration of people related to the Yeouido rally, there was news that the National Assembly Station and Yeouido Station Line 9 were non-stop.
[Anchor]
Those who use transportation around here should refer to it.
Let's continue the conversation.
There was an unprecedented incident in which the head of the police, Cho Ji-ho, the head of the Seoul Metropolitan Police Agency, and Kim Bong-sik, the head of the police, were arrested. Do they think there's a risk of destroying evidence?
[Applicant owner]
That's right. During the testimony, didn't you say that when you went to your official residence three hours before declaring an illegal martial law, you gave the list of arrests and emergency martial law to A4 magazine? But I think the warrant department saw it as the destruction of evidence that he said he tore it up because it didn't make sense. So I think I see this as the destruction of evidence because I can't judge whether I tore it up or tried to destroy it because it was ridiculous. The reason why the head of the National Police Agency and the head of the Seoul Metropolitan Government have been arrested is because the charges of rebellion itself are so clear. However, the president is the only one who has committed the crime of rebellion, but I have never done that. Isn't it too obvious how this perception of the situation will be accepted by the court or the police investigation in the future? So I'm hoping that more solid evidence will be poured out of the police's national capital through the arrest of Police Commissioner Jo Ji-ho and Seoul Commissioner.
[Anchor]
I'll stop listening to it.
So far, we have been with Yoon Hee-seok, the head of the Political and Social Research Institute, Seo Yong-ju, a spokesman for the People's Power Sun-Lease. Thank you.
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[Anchor]
In a little while, at 4 o'clock, the second impeachment vote of President Yoon Suk Yeol begins.
[Anchor]
Attention is focusing on how much votes will be passed from the power of the people.
Let's talk with Yoon Hee-seok, a spokesman for People's Power, and Seo Yong-ju, director of the Political and Social Research Institute. How are you?
[Anchor]
First of all, the emergency meeting of the people's power began at 10 a.m., and floor leader Kwon Sung-dong seems to be in a position to participate in the vote, but why is the meeting so long?
[Yoon Heesuk]
Shouldn't we come to a conclusion today on the question of changing our party's theory? The process won't be easy. And it will take a lot of time because there is a process in which all members have to speak their minds in front of members.
[Anchor]
Then, what can we guess about the part that ruling party lawmakers are most struggling with right now?
[Applicant owner]
Once we acknowledge the impeachment motion, don't we recognize the president who caused the civil war? So it's a different logic from the national perspective. Even though they have to worry about whether they are sympathetic to the civil war if they oppose the impeachment, if they strangely acknowledge the civil war, they become a civil war party that recognizes the civil war. With this logic, I think I'm having a long time in the power of the people in the Assembly. I want to judge from the people's point of view first.
Considering their political gains, no matter how much they argue, they can't come to a conclusion. What do the people want? Now, President Yoon Suk Yeol has committed an illegal martial law equivalent to the crime of rebellion, and his duties should be suspended for now. This is the opinion of many people. If you're a politician, isn't it right to follow the will of the people, regardless of the ruling and opposition parties? It seems that it takes a long time to go against the will of the people.
[Anchor]
The Democratic Party of Korea also held a general meeting this morning, where spokesman Noh Jong-myeon said that even the prospect of approval and rejection is meaningless. What kind of discussion do Democrats see now?
[Applicant owner]
First of all, the result of today's vote is entirely up to the power of the people. So more than eight votes away. Then, wouldn't this be the last chance for the power of the people to really do this? It took a week, almost eight days, to get those issues that should have already been passed on December 7th. How was the situation in South Korea for 8 days? The exchange rate soared, stock prices plunged, and then diplomacy and security almost flowed into anarchy. Considering that various confusion eventually came this far, the Democratic Party of Korea passed and the rejection was meaningless. This is a situation in which a suspension of duty is unconditionally required. Han Dong-hoon, the head of the ruling party, said, "Even though President Yoon Suk Yeol is not aware of his crimes at this point, he should approve of impeachment." Then I'd like to tell you that it's very frustrating what I'm hesitating and thinking more about.
[Anchor]
As you said, CEO Han Dong-hoon is sending a message to vote. Even on my way to work this morning, I sent this message, thinking only about the Republic of Korea and the people.
[Yoon Heesuk]
That's right. On Friday, representative Han Dong-hoon has already officially spoken in favor of impeachment. Likewise, today's message explicitly states that judging impeachment by being stuck in camp logic is not the right thing for the people, and both the ruling and opposition parties should not judge this situation by thinking only about their own party or their supporters. You have to look at the whole country and fulfill your duty as a member of the National Assembly. I understand that this is the most basic, but most important, message that came out today.
[Anchor]
CEO Han Dong-hoon, you're watching me on my way to work. A one-man protest and a scene where lawmaker Kim Sang-wook approaches and hands over a scarf during a one-man protest. It's this scene. Rep. Kim Sang-wook has continued to protest one-man, shaking hands and greeting the lawmakers. It was impressive to see him give a scarf like this. How did you see it?
[Applicant owner]
Rep. Kim Sang-wook acted courageously on December 7th. Of course, he voted down, but nevertheless tried to fulfill his responsibilities as a member of the National Assembly. And since then, from the public's perspective, they are now saying that they are ashamed of the people's power to deal with the civil war and the seniors' appearance. Since this position is probably the same as representative Han Dong-hoon's position, I think he wore a scarf on behalf of him on a cold winter day, feeling sorry for the seniors of the people's power and their colleagues shouting for impeachment. Why have you been in politics while watching other lawmakers who just pass those aspects, especially Yoon Sang-hyun and Na Kyung-won, who are said to be senior members of the people's power? Even first-term lawmakers struggle to meet the will of the people like that, but why do they think only of their own interests while moving away from the people? I'd like to add that I'd be embarrassed if I saw it.
[Anchor]
Seven lawmakers, including lawmaker Kim Sang-wook, have publicly expressed their intention to vote in favor of the vote so far. How do you expect the vote in a moment?
[Yoon Heesuk]
Many people expect how many votes will be cast in our party, but eight votes are the turning point. I expect that number to go over. Considering that there are nearly 30 lawmakers who will participate in the vote, it should be seen that there are quite a few who will participate in the vote with the intention of approving the impeachment bill. In addition to seven people already openly expressing their approval, if we analyze it a little, we expect that it will eventually exceed 200 votes in favor. So, with about 20 votes in favor of our party, it's probably going to be combined with the opposition vote, so I personally expect that.
[Anchor]
Publicly, it is 7 votes, and former spokesperson Yoon Hee-seok predicted that about 20 votes will be passed, but in the floor leader election of Kim Tae-ho, 34 people voted for Kim Tae-ho. As a result, there are predictions that there will be more than 34 people.
[Applicant owner]
It's possible to predict that. And let's take part in this vote for opinions that do not deviate much from the current legislative body. Let's not abstain. So, even though the opposition to impeachment is actually a party platform at this point, we'll have to come to a conclusion about it by 3:30 p.m. Then, even if it does not change much, if it is left to self-voting, it is just a self-voting at the level of recommendation, and if it enters self-voting, it is highly likely that lawmakers will do as they wish. In that case, I think more than 20 to 30 votes can be voted in favor, so I'm consuming too much unnecessary energy by the people right now. Aren't you saying that you're going to do it from morning to 3 o'clock? Isn't that too clear? President Yoon Suk Yeol's statement to the nation, the suspect of the civil war, made yesterday. Anyone can tell that it doesn't add up when the people who have the intellect of the Republic of Korea listen to it. As representative Han Dong-hoon said, he will prevent the president from making a statement confessing to the crime of rebellion today. How the power of the people who have protected the value of conservatism is trying to endure this stigma. I may struggle with the fact that the passing of the impeachment today is actually the same decision as the citation of the impeachment trial, but nevertheless, this is probably the time to think and judge only the Republic of Korea and the people as I said.
[Anchor]
President Yoon's fate is expected to be divided in about two hours. However, not only President Yoon but also the ruling party, including Chairman Han Dong-hoon, are showing signs of becoming a turning point for fate. The division of the ruling party is serious now.
[Yoon Heesuk]
We have to see if impeachment is approved or rejected. First of all, even though representative Han Dong-hoon explicitly expressed his support for impeachment, the impeachment will be rejected today. In that case, it will be difficult for representative Han Dong-hoon to remain in office anymore. There will be this judgment that the party will not stand. In addition, because the opinion on impeachment that he thinks has not been carried out, it can be said that he has lost any more political justification, at least within the party. But what will happen within the party if the impeachment is passed? There must be many so-called pro-yoon people who oppose impeachment, and then there is a high possibility that there will be such criticism as to whether the party leader who led the impeachment is in this party. On that, the opinions of those who make up the leadership, such as representative Han Dong-hoon and representative Han Dong-hoon, have not been in favor of martial law, as representative Han Dong-hoon has argued so far. He is making this logic as to why he should step down from the leadership because of the impeachment when he had a justification that he was not involved in the civil war.
In my opinion, after the approval, floor leader Kwon Sung-dong and others who call themselves pro-yoon are likely to talk about party unity first. Outside the party, you would expect our party to show a very big division, but we fully know what the results of the various divisions we saw during the impeachment eight years ago have been like, and the people don't want to see it again. Because of this public opinion, I think we will put more emphasis on solidifying the party and resolving the confusion rather than arguing more about the impeachment issue.
[Anchor] Whether
is voted down or not, in the end, if representative Han Dong-hoon is physically holding out, he does not have to step down, but what we pay attention to here is whether the top committee will resign or not, as is the case with Supreme Council member Jang Dong-hyuk. Also, Supreme Council member In Yo-han recently announced his intention to resign, but isn't it that floor leader Kwon Sung-dong dissuaded him? Why did I dissuade him now?
[Seoyongju]
For now, the current state of people's power is not so idle. It is depicted that he asks CEO Han Dong-hoon to take responsibility and kicks him out? Then what kind of sanity are they? Aren't you doing something similar to the president? The people will think like this. Because he managed to pass the impeachment of the president, who is now suspected of civil war, and holds the incumbent party leader accountable for that part? In fact, isn't it the pro-Yoon group within the party that has led the president to this point? It is President Yoon Suk Yeol, the core of the pro-yoon faction, who caused problems while enjoying all the support from the pro-yoon group, so why should Han Dong-hoon, the representative who criticized him, be responsible? That's what the people will think. And we go back to December 3rd. What did Chin Yoon do? The majority were scattered around the party, led by floor leader Choo Kyung-ho, or even though they were in the floor leader's office, they did not participate in the vote. I didn't stop the illegal martial law. After all, the people who might be suspected of sympathizing with the civil war are now approved in impeachment, so to speak with 18 people at the time, they hold the only members of the people's power responsible for preventing illegal martial law. Isn't this ironic? That's why Kwon Sung-dong, the floor leader, will honestly do that much calculation. Therefore, there may be plans to destroy CEO Han Dong-hoon in a very slow and slow manner, but not immediately. So I don't think it's easy to break it down right now with the theory of responsibility.
[Anchor]
You said you would make Han go out very slowly, but Han Dong-hoon is also strong. I'll never step down. It is said that he revealed this position to his aides. Why am I stepping down? If you can pull it down, get it down, this is the position.
[Yoon Heesuk]
So first of all, people think a lot about being dragged down as a basic premise, but I don't think it's a good situation for the party right now. For example, in the recent general meeting, lawmakers protested against Representative Han Dong-hoon, so they expect that there will be a serious division after the impeachment vote, but as shown by floor leader Kwon Sung-dong's refusal to resign, everyone is thinking about what will happen to the party if Han Dong-hoon's leadership collapses. Regardless of whether there is anyone who can replace Han Dong-hoon, when the current leadership has to step down and reorganize the emergency committee, whether the emergency committee will be formed properly, and how will the public see the situation where the emergency committee is forced to stand up again due to the division within the party? We need to see more importantly how the people, including conservative supporters, see that the president is on the verge of impeachment and the party and the ruling party are in this situation. And among the various aspects that representative Han Dong-hoon has shown since the martial law was invoked, our party has created a situation where we can cope with the situation with some justification, so in that respect, we have no choice but to unite around representative Han Dong-hoon. I think this is the logic of the Han Dong-hoon leadership.
[Anchor]
There may be logic that we should gather around Han Dong-hoon, but since Kwon Sung-dong, the floor leader, is dominating the majority of pro-Yoon-gye and numerically as the floor leader, what plans does Han Dong-hoon have for the future? What kind of way is there?
[Applicant owner]
So, CEO Han Dong-hoon actually had a practical experience. On December 3rd, the first step on the illegal martial law was done well. But now it's December 14th. In the middle of that, we had December 7th. I put this December 7th into practice. If he continued to do the actions that he did on December 3rd until the 7th, he would not have been able to say a word to representative Han Dong-hoon in the party. It is the position of the people's power to resolve the civil war after the impeachment is passed on the 7th. Then who will talk about the sympathy of the rebellion until the 14th? The presidency has already been suspended. However, in the end, it is inevitable that various falters while taking a break from a tempo have caused the crisis of representative Han Dong-hoon, but if you change your position and come up with an exit strategy as a politician, you have to go back to the beginning. Although it is not a badge of the time, which he received the support of 63% of the party members and the people, his leadership lies with the party members and the people, who are his support base. In fact, there are not many supporters in the party. In that case, they have no choice but to bring back various support for the people and fight with the pro-Yoon group. However, floor leader Kwon Sung-dong is at the helm. That's what it looks like.
[Anchor]
Yoon continued to say that the division of people's power will not be as big as you think.Ma said, "If the impeachment vote is passed by more than 30 votes today, the power of the people can go all the way to the Bundang, because Rep. Park Ji-won of the Democratic Party said so. How do you see it?
[Yoon Heesuk]
Rep. Park Ji-won has made a lot of such provocative remarks to our party several times so far. I don't remember that it's ever been realized properly. It may be what you expect, but you're saying this without knowing our situation. We don't have the power to split up and split up. I'm saying I can't afford that. From the perspective of our party, which has to face impeachment again suddenly due to the sudden invocation of martial law, how many lawmakers can think of this now, saying, "Let's split up and pursue something again in the future." And as a result of our split eight or seven years ago, those who went out to the Bareunmirae Party came back in less than a year.
The confusion that took place in the process, and the relationship with those who remained as the Bareunmirae Party was not established, so we suffered a lot of damage, such as passing the election law at the end of the 20th National Assembly. Everyone knows that we can't divide anymore. There is a possibility that I will never think about it until Bundang and fight fiercely inside. However, I affirm that there will never be a clear split image due to different parties.
[Anchor]
So what about the Hong Joon Pyo mayor's advice? Why is there a reason to send him to prison for rebellion against the president? He said today that he should step down in an orderly manner in cooperation with the ruling and opposition parties. What do you think of such an opinion?
[Applicant owner]
So strangely, it's half a beat and one beat slow. Daegu Mayor of Hong Joon Pyo. I think you're confused, too. To start with, it's a single sound. It's not a situation where it's already coming down in an orderly manner, and the ruling and opposition parties are dealing with the political situation. So I put a spoon on it, but I think I said a little bit, and now through a vote that will be held in an hour and a half, it is the only way to deal with the political situation to become a president who is almost unable to make a rational judgment right now. The ruling party leader is also talking about it, but I don't think it means much evaluation that the mayor in Daegu doesn't have to judge the situation and talk about it.
[Anchor]
Whether it's approved or rejected in a little while, I can't help but keep questioning whether I can go with Chin-yoon. How do you interpret this part outside the ruling party?
[Applicant owner]
First of all, I think these are issues that we need to think about after today's vote. It doesn't mean much in the realm of speculation. After the vote, the speaker of the National Assembly is planning a meeting with the representatives of the ruling and opposition parties. I think the political situation itself should be resolved gradually by looking at the situation in an hour and a half today.
[Anchor]
You said you need to look at the situation after the vote, but aren't you saying you're going to see the results of the vote at President Yoon's residence today? However, I think this is also a question of what kind of position President Yoon will take after this vote. Because opinions suddenly came out even within the party, what do you think about the possibility of another additional position after today's vote?
[Yoon Heesuk]
You can tell me how you feel about the results. However, it is difficult to say whether it is meaningful or not in that situation because the exercise of authority is completely different even if the status is maintained depending on whether it is approved or rejected. I'm going to divide it like this. For example, if it is approved, will the job be suspended? There will be a limit to what you can say in such a situation. However, if it is rejected, if it becomes a situation where you can do your job normally while maintaining your presidency, as you said, any other measures, actions to fulfill your will in the future, specific stories, etc. can be mentioned. This can be seen as a situation to be watched after the vote.
[Anchor]
If the impeachment motion is passed in a little while, the president's exercise of authority will be suspended as soon as the impeachment resolution is delivered to the president's office. If this happens, Kim Gun-hee's special prosecutor law has recently been passed. Can't I veto this part anymore?
[Applicant owner]
That's right. It's practically impossible to do it administratively. In the end, Prime Minister Han Deok-soo, who is acting as an acting president, will probably decide on this part. But in fact, I think President Yoon Suk Yeol is looking forward to the reason why he is voting now. If the people's power lawmakers save me once more, I'll fight something properly. But I don't know if the president should use these words on TV, but he's shameless. This is not a problem within us to fight while maintaining our position after causing confusion in the Republic of Korea, but we have to face it all over the world.
How the Republic of Korea deals with and responds to this. To be honest, if you put a president who dreamed of becoming a dictator, who wanted to destroy democracy using the military's force, and who dreamed of becoming a dictator in that position because of the political situation, even if he was there, diplomacy would be suspended, the economy would crash, and security would be doing nothing. If you have authority because of the diminished authority, which Cabinet members in any administration would move? That's why I have no hesitation in this regard if the People's Power lawmakers think of the Republic of Korea and the people, right? I'd like to say that.
[Anchor]
President Yoon mentioned that he has some expectations, should we consider it the same part? How do you see this move to reverse the 2nd term and appoint a Supreme Court justice or replace the defense minister?
[Yoon Heesuk]
First of all, President Yoon seems to have expressed his intention to confront him head on even if impeachment is voted on. You can't even stop the National Assembly's decision. Even if that happens, it seems that the Constitutional Court is likely to reject the impeachment if he becomes the center of the impeachment argument and fully explains it at the Constitutional Court. If so, the Constitutional Court will not recognize impeachment despite the National Assembly's decision, so he can return. With such a situation in mind, even if a normal suspension of duty is excused, I will continue to serve as a normal president until that moment. I think it's a sign of that will.
[Anchor]
In the meantime, I'm very curious about how long it will take for the Constitutional Court to issue a ruling, but I think the two things are very intertwined, such as when the ruling of the Democratic Party of Korea Chairman Lee Jae-myung will be announced.
[Applicant owner]
First of all, it seems inappropriate to link representative Lee Jae-myung's sentence to the current civil war, but it is a political situation, so we will analyze it. First of all, if it is passed today, the Constitutional Court will make a judgment within 180 days by law. It can be more than that. at one's discretion Then it'll usually be less than six months. If the trial is cited in the Constitutional Court, the presidential election must be held within 60 days. Then it will be up to 240 days. I can expect August next year, if it is approved today. Representative Lee Jae-myung's current public election law and perjury teacher's trial parts, especially the public election law, are 6, 3, and 3, so those that come out before August are usually the right schedule. However, considering the various schedules in itself, I don't know if it will come out before August or not. However, it is clear that in this situation, the Democratic Party of Korea's Chairman Lee Jae-myung's trial schedule is not to prosecute the president's impeachment or insist on an early presidential election. What I keep saying is that various indicators of the Republic of Korea are now in a difficult situation in many ways as the president who has committed rebellion continues to be in office. Once I've suspended my job, I'd like to say that's something we can discuss.
[Anchor]
In the future, the six-member constitutional court system, this part is also being talked about continuously, and doesn't the National Assembly mean that the appointment process will be completed by the end of this year? How will this be a variable?
[Yoon Heesuk]
I'm saying that I'll finish the recommendation process. Appointments are made by the president, but there is a problem from here. If impeachment is passed and the acting president becomes the acting president, the acting president must appoint a constitutional judge on behalf of the president, right? However, when Park Han-chul, the then chief justice of the Constitutional Court, stepped down due to the expiration of his term in the impeachment trial of Park Geun Hye, it was not appropriate for the acting president to appoint one more constitutional judge at the National Assembly, and the eight-member system in the Constitutional Court is not disadvantageous to the respondent, Park Geun Hye, because one vacancy can be regarded as an expression of opposition to the impeachment citation. That's why I didn't fill in. It was decided to cite 8:0 under the eight-member system.
Then, we have to reverse the intention shown by the National Assembly at the time. You have to come up with a logic to reverse that you can't appoint an acting authority. In addition, even if acting Han Deok-soo can be appointed, two more constitutional judges will resign in April due to the expiration of their terms. Therefore, the composition of the nine judges of the Constitutional Court is very likely to be a problem. In that regard, if the impeachment is passed to the Constitutional Court, many people are worried about whether the judgment can proceed smoothly within 180 days.
[Anchor]
On the other hand, a shocking report came out yesterday in the Ministry of Science and Defense. YouTuber Kim Eo-jun claimed to have received a tip that there was a plan to kill CEO Han Dong-hoon in connection with the emergency martial law incident. Therefore, we will continue to see and talk about the reaction of floor leader Kwon Sung-dong, the power of the people.
[Kim Eo Jun / YouTuber: 1. Kill Han Dong-hoon who is arrested and transferred. 2. Cho Kuk, Yang Jung-cheol, and Kim Eo-jun are arrested and run away while pretending to raid and rescue the troops being escorted. The killing of Han Dong-hoon is easily attributed to North Korea.]
[Kwon Seong-dong / People's Power Floor Leader: I think the market is up. Can the world's jangdolbaegi stay still? But maybe a day before the impeachment vote, we're going to shake up our party...]
[Anchor]
Kim Eo-jun's claim, I received a report that there was a plan to kill CEO Han Dong-hoon. The informant said he could not reveal it, but he said he received such a report from an ally country with an embassy in Korea. Do you think it's credible?
[Applicant owner]
It's hard to say that it's reliable because the credibility hasn't been confirmed yet. But what do you mean if you said this before the illegal martial law? Like floor leader Kwon Sung-dong, I'm going to ask him to bring some conspiracy theory to the National Assembly and talk about it. But didn't all Koreans see each other? In terms of the fact that there are unbelievable situations going on in this illegal martial law, maybe Kim Eo-jun came out and talked about it even as a precautionary measure. I'll remember it from the past. Rep. Kim Min-seok, Rep. Kim Byung-joo, and Rep. Park Sun-won are preparing for martial law. What are you talking about? Everyone pointed their fingers like that. Even former Defense Minister Kim Yong-hyun will come to the standing committee and prevent the country if the president does that.
You said, "Don't say such weird things," but who was the core of the rebellion? The person who lied like that has now committed an illegal martial law with the president. Even if Kim Eo-jun's claim is not confirmed or conspiracy theory when he lives in such a country, the people should know. In terms of vaccination in advance and checking whether this has happened, it is meaningful to some extent as a tip-off to confirm the facts. At all, this is not enough to be treated like some kind of jangdolbaengi. Because the situation is not that good right now.
[Anchor]
The conspiracy theory actually took place, and since there is a precedent, we need to check this issue more, how did you hear it?
[Yoon Heesuk]
The place was the National Assembly. And what Rep. Kim Min-seok and others talked about martial law, it became true. It's this logic. Rep. Kim Min-seok and others are members of the National Assembly. At least in the subtitles, what a lawmaker says is a YouTuber, but it's a completely different weight for someone like Kim Eo-jun to talk about such a conspiracy theory. If the Democratic Party of Korea really wanted to use this politically, it would have been much better to have Kim Eo-joon present and say everything he wanted to say without being defenseless. This is because Kim Eo-jun has led a lot of controversies over ecological soup to attack Mayor Oh Se-hoon in the April 7 by-elections in 2021, including the Ferry Sewol and the election fraud. If you made such a claim on your personal YouTube broadcast, it would be difficult to make a big problem, but you come to the National Assembly and talk officially like that while the whole nation is watching. He said that he himself has not confirmed it. It is very regrettable that the Democratic Party of Korea's decision to allow such a public statement to be made at the National Assembly. And I believe that the people will judge what Kim Eo-jun says by distinguishing what he says from what Democratic lawmakers say.
[Anchor]
Not only the killing of the representative, but also the killing of the U.S. military and covering it with the work of North Korea. And I even said that I planned biochemical terrorism. If it's true, it's so serious that I don't think Kim Eo-jun would have said anything very unfounded. What additional grounds can come out?
[Applicant owner]
As far as I know, Rep. Park Sun-won of the Democratic Party is checking the facts. I think it's that idea to check whether it's true or not and let the people know again. However, if you look at it, it seems that it was the only breaking news of MBN, but there are rumors that it was a report from an agent from the HID North Korean agents. At that time, seven people went to Bundang for three nights and four days at the time of the illegal martial law, which was equivalent to a civil war. That's what they do. When you go to North Korea, they do things that people there do as if they're causing a disturbance, and they've had very high-level operational training, so they can do that in here as well. That's why I believe that if the agent's report is correct, it's reliable. It might not fit all of them. As Rep. Kim Min-seok has argued so far, not all of his arguments are correct. But wasn't the worst situation among them, the illegal civil war. It's like that. Kim Eo-jun didn't get everything right, but wouldn't it be terrible if he got it right? And in a recent interview with a parent station by Brad Sherman, a member of the House of Representatives, the United States is well aware. There was also a part that said, "Even if the ROK Armed Forces pretend to be the work of North Korea with this play, we will figure it out and respond to it," so I think I will have to figure out the facts and decide whether or not to criticize this part a little more.
[Anchor]
The People's Power Media Special Committee says it will take legal action with this fact, but are there any fact-checking parts?
[Yoon Heesuk]
In order for the party to take legal action, we have to do something before we know the facts. That's why we condemn Kim Eo-jun for making such remarks without revealing the grounds and even revealing the informant. We take legal action after at least confirming the facts. Since that is basic common sense, the party will definitely check it and hold Kim Eo-jun accountable for his irresponsible remarks.
[Anchor]
Now, there are about an hour and 15 minutes left before the vote, and pre-rally rallies are taking place in Yeouido, including Gwanghwamun, in a quite large crowd ahead of the main assembly. Let's take a look at the scene. The left side of the screen is in front of the National Assembly, where citizens who are in favor of impeachment are gathered today. And the right side of the screen is Gwanghwamun. You're watching citizens rally against the impeachment of President Yoon Suk Yeol.
[Anchor]
Earlier, we showed you in front of the National Assembly through reporter Chung Hyun-woo. It was full of citizens. There were people holding candles and holding hand signs calling for the impeachment of Yoon Suk Yeol's president and calling for the ruling party to join the impeachment. The plenary session starts at 3 o'clock, and since the pre-meeting, a large crowd has already gathered in front of Yeouido in favor of impeachment. And I also showed you Gwanghwamun on the right side. It was against impeachment. You are watching the pro-impeachment rally in front of Yeouido on the full screen.
[Anchor]
In the middle of the roadway on the National Assembly Boulevard, vehicles are now closed, and as you can see, there are also many citizens sitting on mats and cushions.
[Anchor]
There are so many people gathered that it can't be called a car. Yeouido Park Road is completely closed to the Capitol. Although all the variable lanes of the National Assembly, which are connected to the Seogang Bridge, are operated, they are in favor of impeachment, which is taking place as the organizers control the stage by four cars. On the other hand, let's look at Gwanghwamun. I can see an anti-impeachment rally taking place in Gwanghwamun.
[Anchor]
Conservative groups are holding rallies against impeachment and calling for the protection of Yoon Suk Yeol's president. I can see you holding the Korean flag in your hand.
[Anchor]
From 1 p.m., this is the view in front of the Dong-A Duty Free Shop in Gwanghwamun. Not only the Republic of Korea's movement to set it straight, but also a large number of citizens who oppose impeachment are gathered. In addition, the New Freedom Alliance reported that it would hold a presidential rally in front of the north gate of the Yongsan War Memorial from 4 p.m. In this way, the pro-impeachment side Yeouido, and the anti-impeachment side Gwanghwamun, we are showing the rally scene. There is about an hour left until the vote. Now you've seen citizens go out to the streets and constantly speak out to them.
[Anchor]
This time, let's talk more about the rebellion investigation. The prosecution, the police, and the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit are speeding up the investigation. It's on the 12th. President Yoon also made a public statement on the background of his declaration of emergency martial law. Let's take a look at the main content.
[Yoon Suk Yeol / President: To invoke martial law by judging the current state of paralysis as a state-of-the-state collapse of administrative justice due to social disturbance, but its purpose was to warn the public to stop the anti-national defeat of the great opposition party. It is obvious that the reason for putting troops into the National Assembly, even though it is small, is to symbolically inform the devastating behavior of the large opposition party and to maintain order in preparation for a large number of National Assembly officials and citizens who watched the martial law declaration broadcast, not to dissolve the National Assembly or paralyze its function. What on earth is a two-hour civil war? How can a president's constitutional decision and act of governance be a civil war? The president's exercise of the right to declare emergency martial law is an act of governance that is not subject to judicial review, such as the exercise of amnesty and diplomatic power. ]
[Anchor]
In summary, declaring martial law was a highly political act. And it was a warning to the opposition. It wasn't really intended to be a civil war. But the field commanders are making the opposite statement. One side is lying. How do you see it?
[Applicant owner]
Anyone can see that the president is lying. Who would all the executioners have been instructed to come from? So the soldiers and police who participated in the civil war are all the heads of state. the commander-in-chief Will they be arrested in an emergency while lying in front of the people? Rather, if you think you're going to lie, let's kiss on the president's side. So if you think about it in common sense, it's like that. Who's the only one lying in Korea? The president, who was the center of the civil war, is lying alone. I know that from common sense, but I'll tell you that I'm continuing to do things that go beyond that common sense.
I'll tell you three things. Emergency martial law was a warning to the opposition. The Constitution and laws of the Republic of Korea prevent it from being used to warn of emergency martial law. The wartime rebellion is very limited to be used in the absence of security order. If you use it incorrectly, the punishment itself will be sentenced to death, life imprisonment, and life imprisonment. So it can't be used as a warning. Didn't you say you used it as a warning? It's a confession of rebellion.
And then the big opposition's defeat? It's a political problem. Why use emergency martial law for private revenge? This is not acceptable in the Constitution. I got this wrong, too.
Third, it is an act of governance. This is not a part of legal judgment. Already, the Supreme Court's precedents have been ruled by the court to face legal judgment even if it violates the basic rights of the people, even if it is an emergency martial law. He confessed to the public that all of these Korean constitutional systems, delusions without a basic concept of democracy, and far-right YouTubers claim. That's why it's not worth the review.
[Anchor]
One of the testimonies that contradicted the public statement came from the police chief, Jo Ji-ho. There is a part that there was an order for the arrest of an incumbent judge. However, President Yoon's statement to the public contends that it was inevitable because of the move to impeach the judiciary in the background of martial law, but in the case of the Supreme Court and the Seoul Central District Court, if the order of arrest is true, it is the neutralization of the judiciary. How do you view the conflicting claims?
[Yoon Heesuk]
If that's true, it didn't happen during the Yushin regime. If the judge made an emergency martial law with that thought, of course, the judiciary has no choice but to make the highest level of protest. The important thing is to reveal whether there was really a clear directive. The president has said that there is no such thing so far, and isn't there a report that there is a list of people who have ordered the arrest of the police chief, others, or warrants? In conclusion, this part must be revealed through investigation. I don't think I can say anything at this time.
[Anchor]
There is a breaking news while I am talking, so I will deliver it to you. Earlier, we showed a huge crowd at the Yeouido and Gwanghwamun rally sites live on site. According to the breaking news just now, as of 2:45 p.m., due to the concentration of people related to the Yeouido rally, there was news that the National Assembly Station and Yeouido Station Line 9 were non-stop.
[Anchor]
Those who use transportation around here should refer to it.
Let's continue the conversation.
There was an unprecedented incident in which the head of the police, Cho Ji-ho, the head of the Seoul Metropolitan Police Agency, and Kim Bong-sik, the head of the police, were arrested. Do they think there's a risk of destroying evidence?
[Applicant owner]
That's right. During the testimony, didn't you say that when you went to your official residence three hours before declaring an illegal martial law, you gave the list of arrests and emergency martial law to A4 magazine? But I think the warrant department saw it as the destruction of evidence that he said he tore it up because it didn't make sense. So I think I see this as the destruction of evidence because I can't judge whether I tore it up or tried to destroy it because it was ridiculous. The reason why the head of the National Police Agency and the head of the Seoul Metropolitan Government have been arrested is because the charges of rebellion itself are so clear. However, the president is the only one who has committed the crime of rebellion, but I have never done that. Isn't it too obvious how this perception of the situation will be accepted by the court or the police investigation in the future? So I'm hoping that more solid evidence will be poured out of the police's national capital through the arrest of Police Commissioner Jo Ji-ho and Seoul Commissioner.
[Anchor]
I'll stop listening to it.
So far, we have been with Yoon Hee-seok, the head of the Political and Social Research Institute, Seo Yong-ju, a spokesman for the People's Power Sun-Lease. Thank you.
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