[Politics ON] Han Donghoon said, "I'll protect you".Lee Jae-myung proposes another parliamentary consultative body.

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■ Appearance: Kim Hyung-joon, chair professor at Bae Jae-dae, head of InSightK Research Center, Bae Jong-chan

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[Anchor]
The impeachment bill of Yoon Suk Yeol's president passed the National Assembly and there is a strong aftermath in the ruling party. CEO Han Dong-hoon also stepped down today. Let's start <Politics On> looking at the outside and inside of politics. Today, we will be joined by Kim Hyung-joon, chair professor of Bae Jae-dae, and Bae Jong-chan, director of Insight K Research Institute. Please come in. Hello. It was last Saturday. Since the impeachment motion was passed, the political clock is now running fast. CEO Han Dong-hoon said he would resign from his position this morning. It has been 146 days since he was elected as a representative at the national convention on July 23. Let's hear what he said firsthand.

[Han Dong-hoon / All People's Power Leader: Put down the leadership of the People's Power Party. I tried everything to find a better path to this country, not impeachment, but I couldn't in the end. It's all because I'm not good enough. No matter how much the president produced by our party is misunderstood as if we are defending the illegal martial law that mobilized the military is betraying this great country and its people who have achieved industrialization and democratization at the same time, the spirit of conservatism, and the brilliant achievement of our party. A young journalist asked me if I regret my approval of impeachment, which was the reason why I was kicked out of the party leader. It's very painful to think of our heartbroken supporters, but I still don't regret it. ]

[Anchor]
Representative Han Dong-hoon stepped down after five months in office. He was representative Han Dong-hoon, the leader of the People's Power, and the ruling party. In the end, he stepped down after five months, so how do you evaluate the political power that representative Han Dong-hoon has shown over the past five months?

[KIM HYEONGJUN]
First of all, you need a member of the National Assembly, so one of the important standards when evaluating politicians is what kind of beliefs and beliefs he has. In that sense, isn't CEO Han Dong-hoon also saying that he will protect the Constitution and democracy by resigning today? And I expressed this very straightforwardly. I used the expression "illegal martial law" using the military. It implies that there could be more confusion if we didn't stop it at that time. What should be noted here is that leadership is important to have faith and belief, but it is very important how many people you can sympathize with.

So President Obama also mentioned the emergency martial law of the Republic of Korea. At that time, the most important thing in democracy is inclusivity. And furthermore, it's diversity. So, if you think that pluralism is the core of democracy, in that sense, your beliefs and beliefs are very strong, but CEO Han Dong-hoon has gone through some trials in terms of inclusiveness to share this together. The most regrettable part for me was that if I was responsible for losing the general election, I shouldn't have returned quickly. I think it's a defeat. So you can come out after a certain amount of time has passed. What I said on this show at the time was how much criticism did Chairman Lee Jae-myung criticize when he returned so early after the presidential election and became a member of the National Assembly and the party leader? I'm asking what's different from that.

In that sense, the first defeat is that part. The second defeat was about change and reform, right? Then the first thing you have to do is break up the factions. Parts of the most chronic factional conflict in Korean politics so far. However, because he had so little political experience and had little time to learn, he had no choice but to be with a member who is still close to him, and of course, he had no choice but to go to the structure of conflict with Chin-yoon, which is very unfortunate, and he reflected on many things, and in the future, a book called Han Dong-hoon, who was born in 1973, has been released, right? Because I am young, I think I will create an opportunity to create a new political journey at any time.

[Anchor]
You gave a very detailed evaluation of CEO Han Dong-hoon. There's a part where I acknowledge my conviction and belief.Some pointed out that Ma was not lacking in inclusivity. He pointed out that it was too hasty to run for the party leader after the defeat in the general election, and that the factional conflict and factional liquidation were not resolved. How do you rate CEO Han Dong-hoon's political future?

[Bae Jong Chan]
Still, it is clear that CEO Han Dong-hoon is a politician who is attracting attention from the conservative side, which has fandom. You have to admit what you have to admit. When we evaluate politicians, we talk about inclusivity, diversity and concreteness, and it will be hard to find in Korean politics. A person with three things.

[Anchor]
It's hard to find someone with all three beats.

[Bae Jong Chan]
I don't know if it's back to YS or DJ time, but I don't think it's at this point in 2024. It would have been great if CEO Han Dong-hoon had strengthened his concreteness a little. He would have been recognized for his skills, but that's a shame, and CEO Han Dong-hoon would be unfair if he did a three-dimensional analysis. Because I helped the president of Yoon Suk Yeol a lot in my own way and contributed to the party, but why am I being treated like this myself? The second one will be frustrating. Then, if the problem is solved in this way, you will be a victim, but the future of the people's power will be harder to find. The last part will be this part. I think CEO Han Dong-hoon will be rather relieved. Really? If you kick me out like this, I'll be kicked out. And history repeats itself, so one day there will be a way back with different support. I would make this judgment, but if I order two things briefly from CEO Han Dong-hoon, after all, modern politics does not wait for a long time.

So for me, 3P is important, and one is his conservative ideological philosophy, which is good. It can create a base of support. In the last general election, I was a referee. There should be clear ideas related to policy. capable of driving the generation of MZ and leading the elderly. Even though Professor Kim Hyung-joon and I came up with ideas countless times during YTN's Political On Time, none of them converged. Finally, after all, P is a people person. There's a Palush policy and people. After all, politics is a person. The tolerance that showed YS to absorb someone more. I think we need to teach the tolerance that DJ saw.

[Anchor]
I see. Thank you very much. However, as soon as representative Han Dong-hoon stepped down, the people's power is now opening up the military. We are planning to enter the emergency committee system again. The power of the people, the sixth emergency committee system. Who do you think will head the emergency committee? Kim Moo-sung, Kwon Young-se, Yoo Seung Min, and Na Kyung-won are on the hippopotamus right now.

[KIM HYEONGJUN]
It is narrowed down to whether to do it within the party or outside the party. I don't think it will be easy to do it outside of the party in this situation. There is a high possibility that it will come out of the party. Then, for example, in the case of Representative Kim Moo-sung, the best Achilles tendon took the lead in favor of impeachment during the impeachment of President Park Geun Hye in 2016. Representative Yoo Seung Min also has that part. So, if you look at it now, if the emergency committee chairman is appointed, it is supposed to be approved by the National Committee. However, as far as I know, there are also many pro-yoon forces in the formation of the National Committee. So, there are parts that Chin-yoon can create some consensus on. If you think you need to find someone in that way, isn't Kwon Young-se not a strong pro-Yoon, but he is still considered to be a person with some colors in relation to the president, and Na Kyung-won is usually evaluated as a non-Yoon? There are such parts, so I have to think more about it, but I think I should look for people in a wide range beyond the fact that I only do it as a member of the party.

[Anchor]
I see. Some politicians are also cautiously raising the possibility that a close friend of Chin-yoon will split up after a conflict. Former lawmaker Yoo Seung Min said this about the possibility of splitting the people's power. I'll listen to it myself.

[Yoo Seung Min / All People's Power Congressman] (CBS Radio 'Kim Hyun-jung's News Show): Opponents of impeachment hold President Yoon Suk Yeol's hand and continue in the process of this Constitutional Court trial, so what happens to the party? I'm saying that I'm going to be too small for sugar. (Do you think it's possible per minute? I don't think so. Why? Wasn't it split up last time? ) Even then, 33 members of the National Assembly formed the Bareun Party to pay for reform. I think the meaning was correct. But I ran into a lot of real barriers. (Absolutely) I'm a politician, so I'm not a critic. You have to stop Bundang no matter what. We must prevent Bundang and change the sugar. ]

[Anchor]
Former lawmaker Yoo Seung Min stressed the need to stop Bundang. There are various possibilities, but lawmaker Park Ji-won even said, "I think I entered the beginning of the minute, and the possibility of the minute is 100%." What do you predict?

[Bae Jong Chan]
I don't think there's a high possibility of a split. The reason why I see it that way is that it's coming out in the data as well. I'll introduce it to you later.Ma is directly hit by his approval rating, the power of the people. In such a situation, being a Bundang is literally a matter of fact, and the so-called Bundang debacle theory that was experienced eight years ago is inevitably raised. And there should be a focal point for that, but eight years ago, there were focal points such as former lawmaker Yoo Seung Min and former lawmaker Kim Moo-sung, who are actively explaining this. There's no one to go out this time. At least there should be someone in the floor, but representative Han Dong-hoon cannot play that role right now.

[Anchor]
There were 12 leave votes during the impeachment vote this time.

[Bae Jong Chan]
What can 12 people go out and do? Can you stand up to the big opposition party? Can you differentiate yourself from the power of the people who were originally your home? I can't do anything. It would be difficult to see the learning effects and trauma, but if I add a little more and tell you about the emergency committee chairman, there are three things that are required of the emergency committee chairman now. One is that change will be required. It can't be like this. Then we'll call for integration. Until when are you in a pro-yoon, close conflict? It's not suitable for broadcasting within the supporters.Ma's family situation is quite serious right now. There's even a story about beans.

Finally, as a result, it needs to be evaluated by public opinion. However, it is too heavy a task for me to take on this role now, whether within or outside the party. Also, it has no choice but to be a temporary measure, and you have to listen to a solo pear, not a holy grail. Then, at this point, who in the conservative camp can freely hold a single grail, not a holy grail? I think that a very senior member of the party, a senior member of the party, can shout loudly or scold loudly, and literally only senior members from the party who can be respected can take charge of this.

[Anchor]
A general meeting of lawmakers is being held right now, in the power of the people. I don't know if the emergency committee chairman will be announced today through the results of the general meeting. I'll let you know when it's announced. What do you think about the possibility of a split?

[KIM HYEONGJUN]
I was surprised to see former lawmaker Yoo Seung Min talking earlier. He left the party and said he would pay for a new reform, but what happened after that? All the people who went to the Bareun Party came back. What's the reason? It's because of the limitations of the leadership that former lawmaker Yoo Seung Min has. You know it so well. Furthermore, was the collapse of Han Dong-hoon's regime driven out by Chin-yoon? I don't agree with that. How did Chin-yoon kick him out? The most decisive thing was that there was quite a conflict between former representative Han Dong-hoon and the lawmakers at the closed general meeting of the lawmakers after the approval.

But in fact, it collapsed when the two Supreme Council members, Jang Dong-hyuk, and Jin Jong-oh, who are close, resigned. Then why did they resign? The people who said they were that close. Didn't you judge that you can't solve this situation with CEO Han Dong-hoon? So, it's hard for me to agree with the evaluation that Chin-yoon kicked this out unconditionally. That's why it can be difficult to split up. For example, a close friend went together and Chin-yoon kicked him out. Then, of course, it can be an opportunity to go out and make a new party, but look at it again this time.

There were 204 votes regarding the impeachment motion. Then if 192 votes are from the opposition party, wouldn't 12 votes eventually vote in favor of it? Of course, all invalid and abstaining votes are combined to say yes, but I don't interpret it that way. That is not a yes vote. If so, there were some things that even close people opposed impeachment, and the other problem is that the party's theory, for example, I absolutely oppose party politics, but what is clear is that the party leader took the lead in favor of impeachment, so he showed the limitations of leadership that come from it.

In the end, representative Han Dong-hoon has not had much political competence or experience in order to split the party. And you have to be a person who can follow you, but do you have enough tax to go out and form a floor negotiation group? In that sense, it's still strong. Furthermore, I don't know what it would be like to come in the early presidential election situation after the Constitutional Court trial is over, but I think Bundang will not be that easy.

The difference from 2016 is, what did former leader Kim Moo-sung say when he created the Bareun Party at that time? The reason why this Bareun Party was formed was that it had almost the same approval rating as Moon Jae In candidate and former president Ban Ki-moon at the time. That's why he created the Bareun Party to make former President Ban Ki-moon a presidential candidate, and that's why lawmaker Yoo Seung Min and lawmaker Kim Moo-sung got into conflict. However, compared to the current situation, Bundang will not be that easy because it is very different from 2016.

[Anchor]
I see. And today, Cho Kuk, former leader of the Cho Kuk Innovation Party, was imprisoned in a detention center. He said he would reflect on the flaws and limitations. It's before being imprisoned, but amnesty rights are also being discussed. It is the political fate of the former representative of the country. How do you view it?

[Bae Jong Chan]
Right now, it's bound to be quite politically hurt. Because you're imprisoned, and you can't run in the next presidential election as it is. Literally, even in the case of former representative Cho Kuk, he has no choice but to rely politically. If the government is replaced by the Democratic Party of Korea, or anyway, if the government is replaced, we can expect pardons or reinstatement in order as Rep. Park Ji-won explained. So for now, it must be quite dark in terms of political contrast, but as Rep. Park Ji-won of the Democratic Party explained, former Chairman Cho Kuk has no choice but to wait. It has become quite passive and has no choice but to be dependent for the time being, we should look at it like this.

[Anchor]
I see. How do you view it?

[KIM HYEONGJUN]
I can't really agree on that. Aren't you a law professor, at least not in the legal profession? Then, for example, didn't you pretend to be proud of your child's corruption in entrance exams and cover up the inspection and eventually get two years? Look at it now, too. Who is the most synonymous of Nambul? It's my country. I'm a former representative of the country. But if you buy such a person before he is even imprisoned... Isn't lawmaker Park Ji-won a strange person? Aren't you denying the rule of law in Korea? In my case, former CEO Cho Kuk should retire from politics. What kind of reflection can you simply do without reflecting on deceiving the people, undermining justice, and undermining the rule of law? No matter how engineered we approach this, the basics should be kept in Korea.

How can we talk about democracy when there is no rule of law? Can a former representative of his country be free in this situation where someone who has undermined the rule of law raises democracy? At the very least, the basic morality and ethics that we must keep must survive and breathe. Professor Mike Sendell said that. He said, "Only when morality lives, justice lives, and justice lives, principles live." Think again about why it is moral, and even if you tighten everything in that way, if you have power, you can eventually get pardoned later. Is this something that people who have been crying out for democracy in the Republic of Korea can say?

[Anchor]
Former representative Cho Kuk was imprisoned today, and he was a strong critic of the fact that the lottery was mentioned right after he was imprisoned.

[Bae Jong Chan]
It's too early. In fact, it would not be what the former representative of the country wants to be mentioned right now. Nevertheless, the political world is full of all kinds of stories. That's why we're explaining it through our time. I would like to say that the political community is really not reading the public sentiment.

[Anchor]
I see. Wait a minute. I'll give you some breaking news. The special investigation team of the National Investigation Headquarters just issued a statement. The contents of the statement immediately protested the prosecution's disapproval of the emergency arrest of Moon Sang-ho, the information commander. The prosecution's position rejected the approval of the emergency arrest of the intelligence commander on the grounds that the jurisdiction, not the right to investigate, was in the military court, emphasizing that the police have the right to investigate active-duty soldiers and are the explicit subject of rebellion.

In addition, the investigative and judicial powers are divided, and the police have made an urgent arrest for the intelligence commander in terms of urgency and necessity. Earlier, the prosecution released Moon Sang-ho, the intelligence commander who was arrested by the police investigation team for dispatching agents to the Central Election Commission at the time of the emergency martial law. It has also stated that the right to investigate is with the military prosecution. I'll tell you about it in the news time that follows. Today, Cho Eung-cheon, head of the New Reform Party, predicted that President Yoon Suk Yeol and Chairman Lee Jae-myung will play bed soccer in the impeachment trial and in violation of the Public Official Election Act. Why did I tell you this story? Let's listen to it.

[Cho Eung-cheon / General Special Adviser of the New Reform Party] (SBS radio 'Kim Tae-hyun's Political Show'): (Do you think President Yoon Suk Yeol will be able to come back again this time, or it won't be easy this time? ) I think it's going to be hard. But I'll keep playing bed soccer. (That would drag on the impeachment process? ) So this is the 11th statement? There was a time when I did it for 29 minutes. (Thursday, probably) Yes, 29 minutes. You're going to split that into small pieces and continue it in the Constitutional Court. They asked me to do a live broadcast. So, the opposition party and Chairman Lee Jae-myung are going to break up the lawsuit? ) We will make the most of 180 days. (How do you think CEO Lee Jae-myung's election law trial will proceed? ) First of all, I haven't heard that I've received the notice of receipt of the lawsuit record yet. The first trial was held on November 15th, and a month has already passed. Even if I receive it today, I will receive the reason for appeal within 20 days. Then it will be two months. Then, can the appeal be completed in a month and 10 days? Moreover, the sentence is usually about two weeks, no matter how short it is. Then, you have to do a hearing once, or you have to do two sentences, but it's impossible in time. CEO Lee Jae-myung knows that well. No matter what criticism you get, this is really a bed soccer game. ]

[Anchor]
President Yoon Suk Yeol and Chairman Lee Jae-myung will all be dragging their feet. There is a high chance that it will drag on. That's what I expected. Is that what you see, Bae?

[Bae Jong Chan]
That's right. It's literally bed soccer. When we usually play against countries in the Middle East, we are a soccer powerhouse in Asia, so we spend time lying down, or we fall down, but we don't get up. This is bed soccer. How embarrassing is that? The same goes for the political world right now. I have to compete better, but I'm competing worse. So, it's not about politics of people's livelihoods, it's about ruling. Yoon Suk Yeol's president will also extend his time to the maximum at the Constitutional Court. In that way, we will wait longer for the second trial of the Public Official Election Act by representative Lee Jae-myung.

On the other hand, Lee Jae-myung may want the Constitutional Court to deal with this quickly. That's right. If you look at the current situation, it's not like you're dragging your time without this. There is no justification for the people. If I use the time I need to be fair and innocent, I will be judged as innocent, if guilty, as guilty, as rejected, and as quoted. Nevertheless, our YTN justifiably explains it like this, but I don't think it will ever flow like that. The bed politics that the people really don't see in history, it will be next year. The sun will go down. We will see it throughout the years and it seems very likely that this will be a pain for all of us.

[KIM HYEONGJUN]
But since it's called bed soccer, it reminds me of dragging. It's a matter of principle, isn't it? What did CEO Lee Jae-myung say? If the Constitutional Court wants a quick, speedy trial, why don't you want your own trial to be expedited? It doesn't make sense logically, does it? The Constitutional Court should do it quickly without receiving a notice of litigation records? It can't be. So I have to abide by the principles, and as with the Constitutional Court ruling, the judiciary must also present a schedule in relation to the sentence of representative Lee Jae-myung.

It can't be stretched out like this. Therefore, the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court should clearly say that he will protect at least the 6, 3, and 3. Because if the early presidential election goes right away without it, the aftereffects after that are huge. That's why we're asking both sides for a really quick and fair trial. The Constitutional Court and especially regarding Lee Jae-myung's election law have not been done yet, and even if the presidential election is held after it is over, one side asks for an early presidential election by quickly trying the Constitutional Court, and the other side says they are conflicting with why Lee Jae-myung's election law, isn't this to eliminate uncertainty? When it comes to bringing uncertainty, it is difficult for the people to agree, so if representative Lee Jae-myung is so confident, we should ask him to make a judgment quickly. He doesn't even receive a notice of litigation records, for example. At the same time, is it logical to ask the Constitutional Court to make the trial faster?

[Anchor]
I see. Thank you very much. Let's break the news for a moment and continue the conversation. Lee Jae-myung's chief perjury teacher appeal trial. In the first trial, he was found not guilty of perjury. Attention is being paid to when the appeals court will be held, but the dividend has been made for now. There is a breaking news that it has been allocated to the Seoul High Court's Criminal Division 3. CEO Lee Jae-myung's perjury teacher, the second trial. The perjury teacher was acquitted in the first trial. There is a news report that the appeals court has been allocated to the Seoul High Court's Criminal Division 3. Regarding this, there are many analyses that all media say that CEO Lee Jae-myung seems to have finally entered a time fight.

[Bae Jong Chan]
That's right. It's because the people have to watch the war of time painfully. Is it the cherry blossom presidential election or the rose presidential election? And if the Constitutional Court rejects another one, it will not be this year, but next year. It's neither the cherry blossom presidential election nor the rose presidential election in 2025. So I don't know if this is possible or not, most importantly.Ma continues to repeat the same story on the show now. The conclusion came out in the so-called March, and the conclusion came out in the Constitutional Court, so is it the cherry blossom presidential election in May? Or is it the rose presidential election in June because two constitutional judges will end their terms on April 18.

But I don't know if this is possible, but I need to do a very in-depth review. Why? The impact on our economy now. Even the value of our ETF exchange-traded fund is falling further compared to Argentina. as of the fourth quarter For me, what foreign investors value the most, Korea is also important.Ma is a schedule for now. If the schedule doesn't come out, there's uncertainty. The Constitutional Court needs to check and disclose the schedule as far as possible as the Constitutional Court, and the appeals trial of Representative Lee Jae-myung is also scheduled for the second trial of perjury and the second trial of the Public Official Election Act. I think it will be necessary to make a ruling by when the second trial will be issued.

[Anchor]
Thank you. Lee Jae-myung's chief perjury teacher has been allocated to the Seoul High Court's third criminal division. There are more people coming in. A court in charge of corruption cases will be in charge. The first date has not yet been designated. The first date has not been designated. Lee Jae-myung's perjury teacher was found not guilty in the first trial. The second trial and perjury teacher's appeal have been allocated to the Seoul High Court's Criminal Division 3, and the first date has not yet been designated as a court in charge of corruption cases. Thank you very much. Representative Lee Jae-myung has repeatedly proposed the formation of a national stability consultative body with the National Assembly and the government, saying that he would put the government first. He raised the level of criticism, saying that he is still not reflecting on the power of the people and is advocating fanatical behavior with his meager power. Let's listen to it.

[Lee Jae-myung / Minjoo Party leader: How can I be on your side in stabilizing the state affairs and restoring people's livelihoods? The National Security Council is essential for the acting president to agree now. The people's power can take the lead in all discussions, so please participate in the people's power. It doesn't matter what name, format, content, or anything. And if it is burdensome to form such a consultative body for the overall state of affairs, I would like to ask you to form a consultative body only in the economic field, even in the economic and public welfare fields. ]

[Anchor]
Chairman Lee Jae-myung yesterday emphasized that it is now the second party of the National Assembly, not the ruling party, toward the power of the people. How do you rate CEO Lee Jae-myung's actions?

[KIM HYEONGJUN]
There is a saying that they are acting like the ruling party. It's suspended, the president of Yoon Suk Yeol. And what CEO Lee Jae-myung said was the principle of presumption of innocence. If we have to follow the principle of presumption of innocence because we are talking about the Integrated Election Act, why doesn't President Yoon Suk Yeol follow the principle of innocence? by any means That's why they don't just take out what they need and take it with them, but I think the government management council's proposal is very good, but the subject should have been proposed by Prime Minister Han Deok-soo in the end. So, the ruling and opposition parties participated together to solve this problem, and there were various examples of tyranny within the parliament that the opposition party has shown, right? Wouldn't the National Security Council have gained much more momentum if they had said, "Let's get rid of it and let's really work together?"

So, if representative Lee Jae-myung had a little more political experience, he should have suggested it to the prime minister. If the prime minister does this, we'll participate. Then the ruling party can naturally participate in such a situation. Can it be logically established to attend the parliamentary consultative body by saying that the power of the people is the second party now? In that sense, these political leaders only think about themselves and embrace everything about the other person. Isn't that why President Yoon Suk Yeol went all the way to impeachment? Because you run the state administration unilaterally. It's the same. The opposition party also keeps talking about inclusivity and diversity on this issue because it shows that unilateral political operation and parliamentary operation can bring about some results.

[Anchor]
He first suggested it to Acting President Han Deok-soo and told me what it would have been like if Acting President Han Deok-soo had proposed the formation of a ruling-opposition-government consultative body.

[Bae Jong Chan]
There have already been other consultations. Acting Han Deok-soo visited the National Assembly and Woo Won-sik, chairman of the National Assembly, talked about cooperation with the National Assembly, and Han Deok-soo, acting president, also talked about cooperation at a basic level. So the National Assembly and the government of Acting President Han Deok-soo cooperate together. However, on the other hand, it is necessary for Representative Lee Jae-myung to propose cooperation to overcome the crisis with the National Assembly majority. So far, it's been good, but now it's not the ruling party, but the second party, there's no need to talk about this. Let's say that the power of the people should be really responsible to deal with the situation now. The need for consultation between the National Assembly and the government has also been discussed between Chairman Woo Won-sik and Acting President Han Deok-soo. That's what happens naturally. But what if I go out a little further and talk? Is Lee Jae-myung impatient to gain power? Or is it putting more weight on the presidential election? It can lead to unnecessary doubts. That's what our report's point of view is bound to be. You don't have to do that. In this situation, CEO Lee Jae-myung does not need to overflow.

[Anchor]
I see. Let's wrap up the interview with the poll that came out today. Please show me the poll. It's a Realmeter poll. In addition, the Democratic Party of Korea recorded 52.4 percent, in terms of party support. There's a poll. The power of the people recorded 25.7. The Cho Kuk Innovation Party accounted for 8% and the Reform New Party for 2.8%. It was requested by the Energy Economy Newspaper. It was a Realmeter survey. We targeted 1001 voters over the age of 18 and had a plus-minus 3.1 percentage point sampling error. How did you see it? The Democratic Party has an approval rating of 52.4%. The gap between the two parties is said to be the largest.

[KIM HYEONGJUN]
I think some of you will. The data from 2016 showed that the power of the people was 25.7%. At that time, it was just before impeachment, but the Saenuri Party's approval rating was only 13%. So, if you try to continue that approval rating, but now that the ruling party has almost collapsed, there is no choice but to take a considerable amount of time to overcome it. As a result, I wonder if Lee Jae-myung said it was the second party, not the ruling party. I think it's a natural phenomenon. Depending on how much the people's power shows new appearances to the people through change, reform, and integration, whether they will be able to maintain that support or face such a crisis that is falling further in the end, but I don't think it will be that easy to rebound from the current situation.

[Anchor]
He said it will depend on change, reform, integration, and what steps you show, but it will not be easy.

[Bae Jong Chan]
That's right. There is a high possibility of a wider gap. Now, even in our YTN, we can no longer introduce the approval rating of the suspended president, because it will not be measured. I don't know about closed-door measurements.E. Eventually, the party needs to determine its approval rating, and the impact of former representative Han Dong-hoon is expected to have an impact. Because TK or PK may be water-based to some extent, but in the end, it is the influence of the metropolitan area. And he was Han Dong-hoon, the former CEO who had a lot of housewives' fandom, and especially in his 50s. Since I have no choice but to receive this part, I have no choice but to say that no matter who comes in, any change that will have a big impact on the people's support rate, but it didn't work out. Do you really have any intention of integrating? Lastly, you have to look at the electronic display. The electronic display should be staring at it. Whether you have any intention of managing this public opinion, this part is expected to be very important in the future.

[Anchor]
Thank you. Jeong-on, I've analyzed it for you. He was joined by Kim Hyung-joon, chair professor of Bae Jae-dae, and Bae Jong-chan, head of InSight K Research Institute. Thank you very much. Thank you.