Lee Sang-min, "Kim Jae-seop, chairman of the emergency committee of 與, is okay...First-term but correct judgment"

◆ [YTN Radio SHINYUL's news]
■ Broadcasting: FM 94.5 (17:00-19:00)
■ Air date: December 17, 2024 (Tuesday)
■ Proceedings: Shin Yul, Professor of Political Science and Diplomacy at Myongji University
■ Talk: Lee Sang-min, former member of the People's Power,

- 尹 would have voted for impeachment.Considered necessary for the Constitutional Court trial
- 85 votes against 與 impeachment, for martial law warning? It's against the common sense of the people
- The 尹 of refusing documents is very unsightly.I won't tolerate the people
- Han Dong-hoon, it takes time to build a foundation.We need to develop our political power
- If 'pro-yoon' 尹 takes the lead in bulletproofs, we will be shunned by the people
- Kim Jae-seop, chairman of the emergency committee, will be fine.First-term but correct judgment
- 與's presidential election propaganda next year? It's very unfavorable.If the Constitutional Court decides to cite it, K.O.
- Lee Jae-myung, if it weren't for the emergency martial law, you would have been in a tight spot.We need to cooperate with the trial
- Golden phone, judicial phone, there is no way to avoid the power of the people.Political Responsibility
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◆Shinryul: Shinryul's News Head-to-head Match Part 4 begins. I'm Lee Sang-min, former lawmaker of the People's Power, who will meet in the front interview of the fourth part today. I'm on the phone right now. Senator, it's been a long time. How are you?

◇Lee Sang-min: It's been a long time since I talked on the phone.

◆ Shin Yul: How are you?

◇Lee Sang-min: Well, I'm just one of the people.

◆ Shin Yul: I can't get along well. But from the perspective of Representative Lee Sang-min, if you were there, do you think you would have approved the impeachment bill? Do you think you would have objected?

◇ Lee Sang-min: Me? You're asking that question, which is quite confusing.

◆ Shin Yul: Oh, I'm sorry.

◇ Lee Sang-min: However, if we are to follow this principle, I think it is necessary to file an impeachment suit and bring it to the Constitutional Court for judgment. In view of this, it is a very serious issue, and the shock and confusion caused to the people cannot be said, but I can't understand the president's invocation of such emergency martial law. Then the National Assembly can't just bury it, can't it? Aren't we criticizing the Democratic Party of Korea for bulletproof allegations of serious judicial crimes by Chairman Lee Jae-myung and the public's view on that? Likewise, even though the president made a mistake, if he just buried it or just acted as a bulletproof, he would be shunned by the people. If I had anything to say, I would have thought about it, but I couldn't help but agree to the impeachment prosecution.

◆ Shin Yul: Then, 85 lawmakers have opposed the impeachment prosecution, and the power of the people is being neglected. Can I understand this?

◇Lee Sang-min: I didn't hear your question well.

◆ Shin Yul: So 85 people were against impeachment, right? in the impeachment motion Then, based on the current situation, it is a bit against the common sense of the people, so we may face a situation where we may be turned away. Can we see it like this? How do you see it?

◇ Lee Sang-min: In terms of matters, the president is not a requirement for such an emergency martial law in view of the shock and confusion the people have received and the various situations that this issue has had on the country, but doesn't he do that himself? It is said that it was a warning rather than an emergency martial law, but there is nothing to warn about, even if it is a constitutional authority, it cannot be used recklessly by mobilizing the military. So I think it's against the national standard.

◆ Shin-ryul: And since lawmaker Lee Sang-min is also a legal professional, I'm asking you a little, but President Yoon doesn't seem to receive well when he sends something from the Constitutional Court? How do you see it?

◇ Lee Sang-min: Documents? Of course, isn't that the same for this side and that side? Just as representative Lee Jae-myung is not receiving documents because he wants to drag on the trial, the presidential decree of Yoon Suk Yeol is also not receiving it because of the appointment of lawyers, and these shapes are very problematic. Or would such things be acceptable if they were ordinary citizens?

◆ Shin-ryul: I've been sending the impeachment resolution for two days now, and how can other people think he's living far away?

◇ Lee Sang-min: Politicians, I'm a politician, but if politicians, who believe themselves to be leaders of the country and regions, don't show an example than ordinary citizens, that's why distrust arises and complaints are prevalent about them and they don't get recognized, right?

◆Shin Yul: I have another question: Han Dong-hoon has now stepped down as party leader. By the way, how do you watch this?

◇ Lee Sang-min: When the party leader Han Dong-hoon steps down now, he says he did nothing wrong, but the party leader especially believes that it is right to step down indefinitely as the party leader, especially when the ruling party leader made the mistake of invoking emergency martial law by the president of his own party, which led to the impeachment. So, he took the lead in calling for the lifting of the emergency martial law, so he must have played a role in preventing the situation from spreading further, but it is a difficult situation, and despite various opposition from within the party, the impeachment should be prosecuted. You have to agree. I think it would have been passed because I maintained this position. So, even if it is evaluated as it is, it is not appropriate for the president of his party to maintain his position as the party leader in a situation where he is determined to be a martial law and has been prosecuted for impeachment. I think it's right to leave office.

◆ Shin-ryul: Rep. Lee Sang-min must have experienced various things while working in politics for a long time. What do you think about the political future of former representative Han Dong-hoon?

◇Lee Sang-min: Isn't CEO Han Dong-hoon like that everyone has curves, ups and downs, and so on?

◆ Shin Yul: Well, that's what life is like.

◇ Lee Sang-min: I think there will be an opportunity if we quickly reinforce the mistakes or deficiencies and try to win the public's hearts and build political power and skills. It's not like that, but there's no room for self-improvement if you just think of things that are unfair and resentful. I think it's up to you and yourself.

◆ Shin Yul: But it will take some time. Are you looking at it like this?

◇Lee Sang-min: I think CEO Han Dong-hoon needs time, too. Even in the party, I am actually a member of the People's Power, but those who voted for impeachment also have a deep antipathy against representative Han Dong-hoon. It must be a feeling of such frustration and frustration and deprivation that the party's members and supporters have. Since it takes time to get hurt, I think it is rather necessary for Han Dong-hoon to focus this time on building a foundation for him to develop his political power, expand his insights, and do such things anyway. I think we need time.

◆ Shin Yul: But I think my friends are rising again anyway. How do you see the power of the people?

◇Lee Sang-min: Anyway, we're either close or close. Rather than any factional confrontation or conflict due to these factions, wouldn't the mainstream members of the party and its members see a lot of animosity toward the impeachment of President Yoon Suk Yeol in the face of this situation? And in terms of numbers and composition ratio, I think it is understandable in general emotion that President Yoon Suk Yeol is elected from the people's power and takes his side because he is a president belonging to it. However, I don't think there can be any development, reflection, or anything if we just think about the emotions of the same side within the party. What's important is from the public's perspective and from the public's point of view, whether there are mistakes or not, and how to meet the people's standards. In any case, as you said, there are many so-called pro-Yoon people in the party. Wouldn't they ultimately be shunned by the people if they just blindly protect President Yoon Suk Yeol or take the lead in BTS? Politicians also believe that the ultimate goal of political groups is to gain public support and trust from the people, so that they can realize their political visions and dreams.

◆ Shin-ryul: Yes, the report came out exclusively on TV Chosun, and there are reports that the chairman of the emergency committee, Rep. Kim Jae-sup, a member of the main opposition party, is rapidly emerging. How do you evaluate this?

◇ Lee Sang-min: I don't know. I didn't know the contents of the report. In any case, I think we should get out of the way that the party's fate is influenced by one person. I think the reason why the emergency martial law situation and the impeachment prosecution are now caused by the fact that everyone is responsible for the power of the people and that they have not been able to properly check and balance the president of Yoon Suk Yeol. In this regard, I think members of the people's power should reflect on themselves to a very desperate degree and reform themselves to a fierce degree. Rep. Kim Jae-seop is the first-time lawmaker, but he has made the right decision in various situations. He has such dreams. It would be nice to have such a leader. I think so.

◆ Shin-ryul: You've said various things like self-reflection, self-reform, and we don't know if there will be a presidential election next year or not, but if we assume that the impeachment of the president is cited by the Constitutional Court, wouldn't there be a presidential election? Rather than who will be elected next year, do you think the power of the people is likely to do well in next year's presidential election? What do you think?

◇ Lee Sang-min: No, in the current situation, the power of the people is very disadvantageous. Isn't it evident even if the people just look at the polling indicators like the power of the people? If the Constitutional Court decides to cite this, it's almost k. o I guess it will be in a state. If you want to get back up, you can't just be frustrated, give up, or collapse, right? Then, as I said, I have put a lot of effort into reflecting on the people, and I have to make an effort to make up for it by making internal maintenance and human composition so that I don't make such mistakes again, but given the current situation, I guess it's very disadvantageous.

◆ Shin-ryul: Now, lawmaker Lee Sang-min is a former legal professional, so President Yoon Suk Yeol continues to argue that he is not guilty of rebellion anyway. What do you think of this part from the President of Yoon Suk Yeol?

◇ Lee Sang-min: Now, of course, in order to be a crime of rebellion legally, there must be a purpose of national constitutional disorder, and there must be a means of action at the level of rioting that can encroach on some areas in a province. And now they ask if we have such an organizational system. If you look at it this time, various reports will come out later, so we need to understand the facts. But isn't there a view that there has been a conspiracy about the emergency situation for a long time? And President Yoon Suk Yeol denies that at all? In fact, I think the relationship needs to be organized first. After the facts are organized, we can look at whether they fall under the arrest requirements and deal with various issues before we decide. However, it is a stage before the facts confirm the overall situation that has been reported, but it must be quite unfavorable to President Yoon Suk Yeol when you just feel it.

◆ Shin Yul: That's right.

◇ Lee Sang-min: Otherwise, the president says the emergency decree is designed to warn the opposition Democratic Party of Korea, which is now paralysing and rectifying state affairs through legislative runaway, indiscriminate budget cuts or impeachment, Joule impeachment, Joule independent counsel, and so on. Is that understandable? No matter how hard I try to understand that, I don't really understand it.

◆ Shin-ryul: As a politician and legal professional, didn't Yoon Suk Yeol Lee Sang-min make four public statements? But will it be beneficial from the standpoint of this legal process to continue publishing public statements like this? Will it be a thread?

◇Lee Sang-min: Overall, I will refrain from saying that I am the lawyer of President Yoon Suk Yeol. Anyone can see that if it is somewhat appealing and persuasive in terms of common sense standards, such an argument should be made. However, if the claim is lacking in appeal and weak in persuasion, it is just a one-way argument, and it is not too ridiculous, will it be possible to move the mind of the judge who makes the judgment based on the free trial?

◆ Shin Yul: And the other thing is that the Democratic Party seems to be very active these days. I think I'm a little closer to some presidential path of Lee Jae-myung, what do you think about this?

◇Lee Sang-min: I thought that if Representative Lee Jae-myung had not had a single emergency martial law, he would be in a tight spot if the convictions came out in a row because several criminal trials are continuing to be decided. However, isn't it ironic that President Yoon Suk Yeol made a knife plate for the Democratic Party of Korea after getting away from such things to representative Lee Jae-myung at once? But I think that the trial in that court should be held unshakable in light of its principles and common sense. If a person who is likely to commit many serious crimes goes to the presidential election and becomes the president and leads the state administration, will the state administration be well led properly? In that sense, I hope Lee Jae-myung will also cooperate to quickly conclude the criminal trials against Lee Jae-myung. If you grumble and say you are innocent, wouldn't it be better for the people to be judged with a light heart? However, I keep making excuses and dragging the trial, and I'm very suspicious with my psychology about things like this.

◆ Shin-ryul: The other thing is that a person named Gun Jin-beop has been requested for an arrest warrant and is now being arrested, but now he has submitted his golden phone to the prosecution. Now, even the term "lawmaker phone" appears. Do you think this golden phone and judicial phone can have some effect on the power landscape of the people or the power landscape within the party? What do you think?

◇Lee Sang-min: Of course, it will have an adverse effect. I don't know what it's like to be connected to the president of Yoon Suk Yeol or Mrs. Kim Gun-hee, but if various suspicions related to him are revealed to be true and criminal punishment and criminal trial are faced, the power of the ruling party, the people, will not be able to avoid it.

◆ Shin-ryul: The president is also the president, but he thinks that it will have a certain impact on the areas of power and power of the people. Except for the president.

◇Lee Sang-min: When there were rumors that something wrong was going on with the president and the president, shouldn't the ruling party have come forward to do a good job of monitoring and checking and conducting state affairs? However, the power of the people is not just the power of the people if it is the words of President Yoon Suk Yeol, but if it is the words of the president or the president's office, we didn't even try to argue about it. I don't think we can avoid political responsibility for failing to play a role in that.

◆Shin Yul: Anyway, I didn't know this cell phone problem would make this much noise again. That's right. What can you tell us about the situation in Jungkook?

◇ Lee Sang-min: But despite the enormous shock of emergency martial law and the unfortunate situation that led to the president's impeachment, the political circles have changed their positions, aren't they changing the same story? And still, such Democrats are exercising their power and runaway because they have so-called legislative runaway, majority, and absolute majority seats in the National Assembly.

◆ Synthesis: I see.

◇ Lee Sang-min: The mistake of paralyzing state affairs by doing impeachment. In addition, the power of the people is that as the ruling party, it has not been able to properly check the president's mistakes and actively take the lead in impeachment prosecution.

◆ Shin Yul: I see.

◇ Lee Sang-min: This is not getting out of the way.

◆Shin Yul: Thank you for your words today. Thank you.

◇ Lee Sang-min: Yes. Thank you.

◆ Shin Yul: Until now, I was Lee Sang-min, former lawmaker of the People's Power.