I said, "I'll take legal and political responsibility."Should I attend this time?

■ Host: Lee Yeo-jin, anchor Lee Hyun-woong
■ Starring: Lawyer Seo Jeong-wook, Vice Chairman of the Democratic Party of Korea's National Communication Committee Kang Sung-pil

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[Anchor]
President Yoon Suk Yeol, who vowed to take legal and political responsibility. However, they have not received the request for attendance from the Joint Investigation Headquarters and the documents of the Constitutional Court's impeachment trial.

[Anchor]
Let's take a look at the political situation of zero visibility, lawyer Seo Jeong-wook, and two deputy spokesmen of the Democratic Party of Korea, Kang Sung-pil.

[Anchor]
Before the prosecution transferred to the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, today was the second day of the summons. After transferring to the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, the day the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit asked for the second attendance is next Wednesday, Christmas. Shall we respond this time?

[Jungwook Seo]
Not expected. There are two reasons. One is whether the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit has the right to investigate rebellion. It is common that the prosecution does not have the right to investigate. abuse of authority to civil war Since it's a related case, I'll even do a civil war. This means that I will investigate the body with the tail.

Since it's an abuse of authority, isn't it like that if there's a death accident in the middle of this, it's a murder case, so we'll investigate it? Therefore, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit or the prosecution has no jurisdiction over the investigation, which is the first reason, and the second is that the lawyers should be properly formed. Big law firms can't defend themselves. Chairman Kim Hong-il also resigned. It's not easy to enter the president's lawyers without actually resigning.

That's why it takes time to configure. In the past, we summoned Song Young-gil seven times since January, but he hasn't come out for a year. But I'm not turning it off a lot if it's the second round. Usually, they summon up to four times in practice and then consider an arrest warrant, so I don't think they will go out this time because they are still not prepared.

[Anchor]
President Yoon's lawyer Seok Dong-hyun also said that nothing has been decided yet whether he will comply with the investigation, but there is also a prospect that if he does not comply with the investigation, he may seek an arrest warrant.

[Kang Sungpil]
Hasn't President Yoon Suk Yeol been a prosecutor for more than 30 years? If you summon and call the suspects and reference witnesses all your life to investigate, investigate, and prosecute them, but you refuse to do so, wouldn't it be self-denial that you have been a legal professional all your life?

That's what I thought. As lawyer Seo Jeong-wook said, if you can't cooperate with the investigation now because you have difficulty forming a defense team, you can officially ask for cooperation. I'm looking for a lawyer because of the current situation, so I'm not refusing to summon him now, but I can adjust the schedule and tell him how long I'll go, but to reject him recklessly is a disregard for the people.

Therefore, if they refuse to summon the second time, the court will likely issue an arrest or arrest warrant. So far, the president of Yoon Suk Yeol has not been officially excluded from his duties, so the president's office is a military secret facility, so the head of the agency must give permission. But the president of Yoon Suk Yeol was the head of the institution. However, since the job has been suspended, the current head of the institution is Han Deok-soo.

That's why acting Han Deok-soo can instruct the security office to cooperate. Then you can fully execute the arrest warrant. Anyway, isn't he the incumbent president now? It is a national misfortune that an arrest warrant and arrest warrant are executed for the first time in history for an incumbent president. That's why I want the president to come forward on his own. Also, they are not receiving the impeachment trial documents related to the Constitutional Court.

According to the Civil Procedure Act, if it's called kindergarten delivery and there's no response for three days after delivery, it can be regarded as receiving it unless there's a justifiable reason, and what's more interesting is that the president received a flower basket for his 64th birthday not too long ago, right? Opposition supporters are saying, "Send the impeachment document review in the flower basket, and will you receive it?" This disappointing voice is growing. So, for the sake of the honor of the Republic of Korea, I hope you show your presidential image. [Anchor] Acting Han Deok-soo said, "You can ask for cooperation with the security service," so how do you see it?

[Jungwook Seo]
However, when Kim Gun-hee was investigating, she was investigated at the third place of the safety house at that time. The security for the incumbent president applies as it is, the rules. Therefore, I think there is a problem with the jurisdiction of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, but it is not right to ask the incumbent president to come. If you want to hear a statement, you have to consult with the security service at a third place or a place where security is guaranteed. Just follow the public opinion. Aren't you still the incumbent president?

Security is applied. And as far as I know, it's hard to confirm that the president received the flower basket. The wreath will be installed and the staff may have received it, but it is not confirmed that the president received it, I say.

[Anchor]
The lawyers told me earlier, but the overall outline seems to have come out, but it's not very detailed or a list. What do you think about the reason for the delay?

[Jungwook Seo]
As I said a while ago, the National Assembly is easy to organize with 17 members. Because the National Assembly can form a defense team with the budget and taxpayers' money. But the president has to form a defense team on both sides at his own expense. Constitutional and investigating. As a result, large law firms don't take charge of actual political events.

If you look at the president of Lee Myung Bak, he resigned and formed a small law firm. I mean, CEO Lee Jae-myung was appointed in the first trial, but he hasn't been appointed yet. Representative Lee Jae-myung has not been able to present a lawyer, the election law. Even though there are three lawyers in the first trial. However, President Yoon has to appoint lawyers on both sides from the start.

But good lawyers aren't just playing. I'm sure there are some law firms that you go to. Resignation, it's not easy. Therefore, it should be given some time to appoint as a defense guarantee, and the Constitutional Court set it on the 27th as soon as it came. However, the date for Lee Jae-myung's election law trial has not been set. Therefore, I don't think we should rush too much only to the president.

[Anchor]
You said it was very difficult to form a defense team. How did you like it?

[Kang Sungpil]
Of course, it would be difficult to form a defense team. Who wants to defend this trial? If you're a lawyer, you're basically aiming to win your argument. But the crime of rebellion was so clear. And the passport compares the trial with representative Lee Jae-myung, but it's not the object of comparison. Because in the case of CEO Lee Jae-myung, the first trial is over. And the second trial is getting ready.

That's why there's no fear of destroying evidence, because all the evidence has been confirmed. However, in the case of President Yoon Suk Yeol, there is a great concern about the destruction of evidence. And because this situation itself is very critical. Isn't that why all the major participants were arrested and arrested? However, since he is an incumbent president, he is waiting at the Constitutional Court with an investigative agency to honor him.

So the president of Yoon Suk Yeol should not use it. And looking at today's article, anyway, you appointed lawyer Bae Bo-yoon, a person who has worked at the Constitutional Court for 23 years. In fact, in my opinion, it would have been more difficult for President Yoon Suk Yeol to appoint because he had to find a lawyer with a political ideology and inclination than a lawyer with this expertise, like constitutionalism or impeachment.

Because the current situation is so clear that it is very difficult to defend the president of Yoon Suk Yeol if the political philosophy is similar or uncertain because the crime of rebellion is so obvious, politically and nationally. Nevertheless, since lawyer Kim Hong-il and lawyer Bae Bo-yoon have been appointed anyway, I hope you will actively cooperate with the summons as soon as possible.

[Anchor]
We will continue to investigate the truth about the alleged rebellion, but Seok Dong-hyun, a lawyer for President Yoon Suk Yeol, did not take out the body of the arrest on the day of martial law's declaration. I even said, "Where is a two-hour civil war?" There are a lot of statements that are contrary to this. In particular, during the investigation of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, we secured a statement that President Yoon should have sent 1,000 troops to the National Assembly. How do you get to the truth?

[Jungwook Seo]
The fact that the investigative agency makes statements little by little... This is the real publication of the suspected case. Let me tell you that this is illegal. The statements of those who made early statements could be contaminated. For example, you can pass on the responsibility to yourself to reduce your responsibility, and there are many possibilities, so I mean, you shouldn't judge it conclusively just by words.

For example, every act of a president is done on paper. No matter who is arrested, the person below can execute it only when they sign it in writing and the presidential seal is stamped. If I call him and ask him to arrest him, will the command go down to the person below? Therefore, there is no document called an arrest decree signed by the president yet, and the police chief or the deputy chief Hong Jang-won of the National Intelligence Service are only talking now.

I don't know where the words come from, but you shouldn't do this as if it's a fact. We need to listen to the president's calling and get objective evidence above all else. There should be objective evidence, documents, or recordings, but I don't think you should rush to a conclusion just by this.

[Anchor]
The prosecution's special prosecutor said that Kim Yong-hyun, the then Defense Minister, told his subordinates immediately after the martial law was lifted, "Isn't it not only a statement but also a physical evidence?"

[Kang Sungpil]
Lawyer Seok Dong-hyun did not bring up his arrest yesterday. You said, "Where do you want me to lock you up if you arrest me?" So this is a false explanation that will be revealed in less than a day. That's why the people are more angry. And if you keep talking about CEO Lee Jae-myung, wouldn't the passport be too selective?

Regarding representative Lee Jae-myung, for example, the trial of lieutenant governor Lee Hwa-young will come later, but there is no evidence that representative Lee Jae-myung directly ordered or knew. Anyway, aren't you driving Kim Sung-tae or other statements? In that case, President Yoon Suk Yeol's testimony and statements of major participants are all consistent except President Yoon Suk Yeol before it is revealed that he has just ordered.

And it is divided into before and after martial law that the crime of rebellion is certain. The martial law war is not procedurally justified. The Democratic Party, the opposition party, and many legal professionals argue that this also violates the Constitution and the Criminal Law because it ignored such things without formal documents or procedures, as lawyer Seo just said.

[Anchor]
As the day goes by, the martial law war continues to emerge, and the controversy over the hamburger meeting has arisen. Roh Sang-won, the former intelligence commander, held two hamburger meetings, and the first was called an intelligence officer and the second was a military investigative agency. There seems to be a suspicion that he was trying to set up a private investigation team.

[Jungwook Seo]
But it's kind of weird to say the name, but the fact that a hamburger restaurant is a ridiculous speculation, for example, is that lawmaker Kim Byung-joo was a four-star general. This person said that. In order to prevent some eavesdropping, if the surrounding area is noisy like a hamburger restaurant, the eavesdropping is not good, so I talk as if I deliberately plotted martial law there. Then, do Kim Byung-joo or Democratic Party lawmakers go to hamburger restaurants to discuss important decisions to block eavesdropping?

When you go to a hamburger restaurant, the people next to you listen to it. I hear everything, but the wiretapping is not the problem, but the person next to me listens, so how can I plan martial law there? Judging from common sense, I don't know if the people involved met like this and talked about martial law as if they happened to meet at a coffee shop, but isn't this too hasty a conclusion, as if they purposely gathered at a hamburger restaurant to prevent eavesdropping? I think it's a far-fetched presumption that doesn't fit common sense.

[Anchor]
When you leave the place and look at the time and timing, are you talking about the purpose of their gathering as friendship?

[Jungwook Seo]
If you're going to do martial law or something great, don't you think there's a hideout like Anga? If you purposely choose a hamburger restaurant and plan martial law there, will you not be caught even if you say it gently? It was a meeting to simulate martial law, so it seems a little difficult to conclude like this.

[Kang Sungpil]
If I ask for a counterargument, so as you said, the president also called the police chief in Samcheong-dong's house other than the hamburger restaurant. And I don't know what various ministers gathered and talked about in the president's house, but that situation is being revealed.

In any case, the important thing about the hamburger meeting is not that the place given by the hamburger store symbolizes, but that civilians have played the same role as the president's high school alumni, Chungam-pa, and Lee Chungam-pa have been conspiring with the intelligence agency for a long time. So Colonel Jeong, who was at the hamburger meeting, declared his conscience anyway.

And I apologized to the people. What did you do? The intelligence agency said it tried to imprison election watchdog employees by tying their hands and feet with cable ties in violent ways and putting a bandana on them, and these were the preparations for the execution of a rebellion.

[Anchor]
The police secured Roh Sang-won's former intelligence commander's notebook in the process of confiscating and searching the home of former intelligence commander Roh Sang-won, or a fortune teller in Ansan, and it was written on the plan to send military units to the National Assembly and the National Election Commission after the emergency martial law was declared. What did you think of this part?

[Jungwook Seo]
Maybe this is the former commander, so he's a civilian, but if he was deeply involved in martial law, it's considered illegal. There are procedures for gye, right? However, if a civilian intervened, I think it is illegal, but it is still unknown to what extent this person was involved.

Of course, he left office unsavoryly after serving as the intelligence commander in the past. I may be close to him, but I wonder how much he actually played a role, and I think this needs to be investigated in the future. A lot of people criticize this for making the partnership like a reverse master, but martial law seems to have nothing to do with it, and I think we should check the facts first about the role of this person.

[Anchor]
Moon Sang-ho, commander of intelligence, who was arrested yesterday, said in a joint investigation that he received such an order from former Defense Minister Kim Yong-hyun that Roh Sang-won's order is my order, but isn't it that this was at the level of the defense minister?

[Kang Sungpil]
That's why the term "non-presidential power" came out, and reports are pouring out that civilians ordered an incumbent intelligence commander as a non-presidential power like in the past manipulation of state affairs, and tried to recruit such people in the process of conspiring with him as a reserve major and from Yeongnam. So our Democratic Party was very concerned from the time we moved the presidential office to Yongsan, or next to the Ministry of National Defense.

If you're next to them, you'll meet soldiers often, and if you meet them, aren't you trying to solve some political situation in their own way? That's why the Democratic Party of Korea has expressed concern about martial law since August, right? However, all of these things are being revealed as a reality.

So I think that's what the overall framework is like. It is now revealed that former Defense Minister Kim Yong-hyun controlled Moon Sang-won, the current intelligence commander, through Roh Sang-won, a junior member of the Korea Military Academy, and there was a practical conspiracy underneath it, and persuaded these people to participate in the conspiracy in this way. And as a result, there have been fraudulent elections in the past by implementing emergency martial law and then going to the NEC to secure servers. It seems that the emergency martial law was established on a two-track basis to dissolve the National Assembly and secure legitimacy for martial law from the people by talking about such things in a way that proves them.

[Anchor]
The arrest of a NEC employee was actually a little shocking, but Roh Tae-wook, the incumbent Supreme Court justice, was also included in the list of recruits. There were also reports like this, what did you think?

[Jungwook Seo]
I don't know what they did when they got together, but it's doubtful whether there was anything really done by the president and the minister according to the normal procedure. You can discuss how to get together, including civilians, and do this. However, the president instructs him to do so, this can't happen. That's how the president explains it. So with this, I'm talking about the arrest group after systematically arresting the NEC staff from the time of martial law. Take a look at

The list of Deputy Chief Hong Jang-won of the National Intelligence Service and the list of Police Commissioner Jo Ji-ho are different. The representative one is the judge. It's tremendous to arrest the judge who acquitted our representative Lee Jae-myung. Arresting a judge is a huge deal. This is the most shocking and important thing. However, there is no judge on the list of Deputy Director of the National Intelligence Service Hong Jang-won. It's just in the statement of Police Commissioner Jo Ji-ho. Just by looking at this, it is doubtful whether there was a systematic arrest organization or list.

[Anchor]
Since testimony and circumstances are coming out every day, the scope of the investigation seems to be quite broad. In addition, the situation is complicated until the subject of the investigation becomes the subject of the investigation. The Democratic Party of Korea is pressuring Prime Minister Han Deok-soo to announce the special prosecution that passed the National Assembly, and we will listen to this first and talk about it.

[Anchor]
Acting authority Han has vetoed six issues, including the Grain Management Act, but it is said that he is struggling with the handling of the special prosecution. How do you see the background?

[Kang Sungpil]
Acting President Han Deok-soo was a former official of the Ministry of Economy and Finance. Therefore, it will be conservative about financial expenditures that are a little burdensome, such as the grain law. In fact, the Democratic Party cannot admit it, but what are the priorities of the Democratic Party in the current situation? In any case, the priority to deal with the current situation should be to normalize the Constitutional Court and pass the independent counsel for rebellion and the independent counsel Kim Gun-hee, and I think it is correct that the bill can be processed later.

In addition, it will be difficult for the acting special prosecutor Han Deok-soo to exercise his veto power because he is also a suspect. Why, it's a conflict of interest. And in the case of Special Prosecutor Kim Gun-hee, in a way, the opposition party believes that the fundamental cause of the current emergency martial law is the risk of Kim Gun-hee related to the Special Prosecutor Kim Gun-hee.

Therefore, if acting Han Deok-soo asks the National Assembly to appoint a constitutional judge after the constitutional judges' confirmation hearing on the 23rd of this month, I expect that he will appoint a constitutional judge and accept the special prosecutor for civil war at the same time.

[Anchor]
You predicted that you would accept appointments and special prosecutors, what do you think?

[Jungwook Seo]
I don't think I'll do either. I don't think I'll even appoint him. Then look at the fact that you can't get an independent counsel. The Permanent Special Prosecutor Act was also passed. And then it's an individual special prosecutor. What kind of special prosecutor are you asking me to do? The Democratic Party of Korea has to insist on one thing. Are you asking for an individual special counsel?

I want to ask Chairman Kang. Individual special prosecutors also propose a bill, and if permanent special prosecutors propose a bill, do you mean that we split the two special prosecutors? I don't know the details of how to do it. Then, if a special prosecutor is proposed, it will take about a month and a half to two months to prepare.

The special prosecutor is also selected from among lawyers. Then, you will have to take all the documents for the joint investigation and prosecution investigation you are doing now. I have to hand over all the special prosecutors. Then the investigation will be delayed further. Rather, if the special prosecutor passes. And the special prosecutor cannot be considered to be more investigative. Who will investigate the special prosecutor anyway? Prosecutors will be dispatched to do it.

Therefore, I don't think the independent counsel is always universal, and I watch the investigation of the joint investigation or the special investigation of the prosecution, and in this case, I can do the independent counsel. However, if the special prosecutor proposes and takes all of them in advance, the existing investigation will be stopped, and it will take a long time for the special prosecutor investigation to be launched, so I would say that it would be much worse for the Democratic Party. What kind of special prosecutor are you asking me to do? Whether it's a permanent special prosecutor or an individual special prosecutor, you have to decide your position first.

[Kang Sungpil]
In other words, the Democratic Party should do a general special prosecution. That's why I'm asking acting Han Deok-soo to pass it, isn't it? A permanent special prosecutor cannot be vetoed by the president. That's why there's a big difference between the permanent special prosecutor and the general special prosecutor. However, the general special prosecution must be accepted by the acting president. That's why the permanent special prosecution was preliminary.

And the power of the people says that the Democratic Party of Korea selectively demands it, so isn't that a red flag? Because Kwon Sung-dong, the floor leader of the People's Power, is now pressuring Acting President Han Deok-soo to appoint ministers of the Ministry of Public Administration and Security and Defense. At the same time, he asked me to veto the bill. Which criteria do you meet?

That's why the Democratic Party of Korea has an unelected power, so if there is an issue that concerns us, we can come to the National Assembly and consult with the leaders of the ruling party and opposition parties under the chairmanship of the National Assembly to solve all this.

In that sense, isn't the ruling party's lawmakers also in favor of the special prosecution anyway? As President Yoon Suk Yeol has repeatedly said that the independent counsel cannot pass because the ruling and opposition parties have not agreed on it not long ago, acting prosecutor Han Deok-soo should pass the independent counsel's case anyway and appoint a constitutional judge. Let me tell you this.

[Anchor]
Your opinions are sharply divided. If, as lawyer Seo Jeong-wook said, he does not appoint a constitutional judge and does not receive the independent counsel law, does the Democratic Party of Korea intend to impeach acting representative Han Deok-soo?

[Kang Sungpil]
I don't think that's going to happen, but we have to impeach it. I think so. Under what pretext is acting Han Deok-soo not appointing a constitutional judge and not accepting the special prosecutor for civil war? So, you have to have a reasonable reason for that, but what's a reasonable reason for our Democratic Party?

I think acting Han Deok-soo should normalize the Constitutional Court as soon as the Democratic Party and the people want and pass the independent counsel for rebellion. And for your information, in 2017, Acting President Hwang Kyo-ahn said he would not appoint the Constitutional Court chief because it was recommended by the president, but in 2017, he was recommended by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, and Constitutional Judge Lee Sun-ae was appointed. So I think you can do it according to that standard.

[Jungwook Seo]
The judge needs to know exactly. It was recommended by Chief Justice Yang Seung-tae on March 8, 2017. So, the acting Hwang Kyo-ahn was originally appointed and the trial could be conducted slowly, but at that time, the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court recommended Choo Mi-ae, Woo Sang-ho, Park Beom-gye, and Park Joo-min, but the acting authority cannot appoint them. Therefore, it should be finished before the chief judge Lee Jung-mi leaves office. as they are not authorized to be appointed So I'll finish it quickly, and I'll leave the office three days after the impeachment decision on March 10th, and I'll have to know exactly what this process I appointed on the 28th, and then I'll see Worthing, and this is the fact. You have to know exactly.

[Anchor]
Isn't the quorum of acting impeachment also controversial? If this is limited to the current prime minister, 150 people can be impeached, but if you consider it as the presidency under the acting president, 200 people should approve. What do you think of this part?

[Kang Sungpil]
It's a very simple matter. Isn't it because Prime Minister Han Deok-soo was able to become an acting prime minister? That's why, of course, if 150 people approve, they can be impeached. The Democratic Party of Korea does not mean to propose an impeachment motion against Acting President Han Deok-soo, but to propose the impeachment of Prime Minister Han Deok-soo.

The reason is that Han Deok-soo is impeaching him for his actions when he was prime minister, not for his actions after he becomes an acting president, so impeachment of Prime Minister Han Deok-soo is 150 in favor.

[Jungwook Seo]
There was already something in 2016 that didn't make sense. Two-thirds of the National Assembly's legislative investigation office needs acting presidents because they are not ordinary prime ministers but play a heavy role. Here is the official opinion of the National Assembly's Legislative Investigation Office. First. The second reason why the Democratic Party wants to impeach is to veto it and then not appoint a justice of the Constitutional Court.

Then this is an exercise as an acting authority. It was already understood when I was prime minister. Why? During the prime minister's time, he helped and did not prevent the civil war, but Prime Minister Han Deok-soo prevented martial law at that time. If it's a civil war, the acting president shouldn't admit it. Now that I don't do two things, I will impeach him with the past prime minister's, this is a ridiculous claim, I will say.

[Kang Sungpil]
Is there any evidence that Prime Minister Han Deok-soo actively prevented it at the time? There's no such thing.

[Jungwook Seo]
Rather, you have to prove that you didn't block the proof.

[Anchor]
I see. Let's move on to the topic. The conflict within the ruling party is not unusual, so I want to ask lawyer Seo about this, but the contents of the group chat room and some recordings have been leaked. It will also be graphic in a little while, but the situation seems serious, how did you see it?

[Jungwook Seo]
I think they should be disciplined for finding out. The party is a political association that shares the same view. But if you secretly record these private guns and deliberately spread them to the media, who would trust this? Isn't there a lot of distrust in the whole party? If there is a lawmaker who has done this, this must be disciplined. That's what I'm saying. The party is in a mess, but we need to reorganize it quickly and unify it and move forward as one.

[Anchor]
However, some people are saying that the situation is psychologically divided, so wouldn't it get worse if you search for it as you said?

[Jungwook Seo]
But during the Park Geun Hye presidency last time, it was completely divided. At that time, the Bareun Party in Bundang went out. I don't think I can do that this time. It's because even close alumni can't defect or do this, and they can't be disciplined and kicked out. However, the person who recorded this and distributed it to the media should be disciplined. I don't think that's going to make Bundang or anything like that.

[Anchor]
Hasn't the Democratic Party of Korea's approval rating outpaced the public's support for power by the largest gap since the launch of the Yoon Suk Yeol government? However, compared to the collapse of the Saenuri Party's approval rating in 2016, the public's approval rating remains unchanged. Why do you think this change happened?

[Kang Sungpil]
It's because the president has yet to be excluded from his duties, but impeachment has not been cited. And as lawyer Seok Dong-hyun said a while ago, our opposition party thinks that it is not a crime of rebellion that continues from the power of the people. However, if negative news and shocking news continue to pour out in the future, in fact, public opinion related to the people's power and the president is expected to worsen. Personally, the approval rating of the people's power is coming out better than I thought.

This is actually a surprising fact. Despite the unprecedented incident of emergency martial law, I think there are still people who support the power of the people even in this situation where the crime of rebellion is becoming clear, but I think this is misinformation. Anyway, for the Democratic Party, there were a little more than 20% of non-partisan people. How can the Democratic Party be recognized as an authoritative party? The way to do that is that representative Lee Jae-myung should show more of stabilizing state affairs and taking care of people's livelihoods rather than getting ahead of political strife in this situation.

[Anchor]
That's all for today's talk with the two of you. Attorney Seo Jeong-wook and Minjoo Party deputy spokesperson Kang Sung-pil were with us. Thank you.