Ham Woon-kyung said, "Han Dong-hoon must run for the early presidential election...Pro-impeachment is the cause."

[YTN radio news fighting]

□ Broadcasting: FM 94.5 (07:15-09:00)
□ Broadcast date and time: December 26, 2024 (Thursday)
□ Host: Kim Woo-sung PD
□ Starter: Ham Un-kyung, Power of the People, Mapo-eul, Seoul, Chairman of the Party Cooperation Committee

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◆ Producer Kim Woo-sung (hereinafter referred to as Kim Woo-sung): YTN Radio News Fighting Part 2 begins. We have Mapo, Seoul, in the studio of the chairman of the party's cooperation committee. If you're a liberal, if you're a liberal, if you're a conservative, you're a conservative. Through this person, let's hear about how to solve the current political situation and issues. Please come in. Chairman.

◇ Ham Woon-kyung, Chairman of the Mapo-eul Party Cooperation Committee in Seoul (hereinafter referred to as Ham Woon-kyung): Yes, hello.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: I think we should first ask about the internal situation of the people's power. Kwon Young-se, a five-term lawmaker, has been nominated as the new chairman of the emergency committee. You can get your approval from the national standing committee. The so-called "two-top" articles are coming out. What do you think of this system?

◇ Ham Woon-kyung: I'm in an emergency situation because I'm the chairman of the emergency committee. It is important to play a good role in this extraordinary situation. I think we need this to see if we are correctly aware of this role. First, I think it is necessary for the Constitutional Court to normalize quickly. Second, there are suspicions from the public regarding the independent counsel for the civil war, so there is something that needs to be resolved quickly. Then, if uncertain or unconstitutional factors are excluded from the Special Prosecutor Kim Gun-hee Act, I think the people's power can actively pursue this. I think it's right to evaluate these roles while performing them. So right now, whether it's Chin Yoon or not is a secondary meaning to me. It is not too late to clearly recognize what roles and tasks are entrusted to the emergency committee and to judge whether or not they can perform them.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: The chairman of the emergency committee is ordering the appointment of a constitutional judge, the independent counsel, and the acting president to supplement some of the unconstitutional factors and bring them with agreement between the ruling and opposition parties, so we should take that into consideration. You told me this position. In fact, before asking about the power situation of the people, you've experienced emergency martial law and military dictatorship. In fact, the chairman's voice is not well known since the emergency martial law, but aren't all former and incumbent soldiers being investigated now as you see the feeling of what you saw and the investigation into the alleged rebellion continues? I wonder what you'd think.

◇ Ham Woon-kyung: At first, people like Rep. Kim Min-seok and Rep. Park Sun-hoon lived in the same age as me, and when these people first claimed it, it was ridiculous, but actually, it was really absurd to be subject to emergency martial law. At first, I thought there was some kind of local war with North Korea, but it wasn't that either. The next announcement was about eradicating pro-North Korean juche groups and anti-state forces, but they beat it up for that purpose. This doesn't make sense. How to accept this as those things happen. I wondered if there was any other intention, but I thought that the problem was really serious because I was talking about fraudulent elections.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: Yes, it's serious. Since you've experienced it yourself, I think there are answers in sighs rather than expressions. In this situation, lawmakers within the People's Power Party who are now a little critical and reform-minded. Including those such as Rep. Kim Sang-wook, "Distancing from the asphalt right is not a true conservatism. President Yoon Suk Yeol rather betrayed the values of conservatism. ’ That's what I'm talking about. How did you like it?

◇ Ham Woon-kyung: I 100% agree. In fact, you can see what the members of our people's power think. I don't know about Yeongnam, but are there any party members in the Seoul metropolitan area who support emergency martial law? There's hardly any. In fact, if you look at the situation of our party members, is there a party member who favors emergency martial law itself? It's not here. So we apologize for the emergency martial law by Kwon Sung-dong or Kwon Young-se. Since our party was helpless without knowing the truth, I think it is natural to apologize to the people as a member of the people's power who did not prevent it while feeling responsible as the ruling party. That's what the members of the People's Power Party think. However, when it comes to whether you are for or against impeachment, your position is a little different. So, as long as we're doing it on the street, it's divided into half and half in the remaining 90% except for 10% to 15% of the people's power members. Half of those who support impeachment and half who oppose impeachment and have some reservations. As a reflection of that, I think that the members of the People's Power are a little hesitant to express their position or to support impeachment, and of course, there seems to be a line that calls for protecting President Yoon Suk Yeol. However, it is not, in fact, an absolute majority from the perspective of the People's Power Party. That's how I see it.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: The ruling party also opposes emergency martial law and the impeachment is a little divided, but it seems to be a common denominator that needs to be pointed out and addressed clearly. Then, there are many things to be said in the current situation, but the impeachment trial may be cited or rejected. I don't know, but anyway, as talk of early presidential election comes out, CEO Han Dong-hoon, who resigned, continues to be mentioned. If I run for president, I'll change my position again, so I'm also curious about how you've been doing. I got a lot of support from the party members. That's only a few days ago when I took office as CEO. So there are a lot of people who are curious about the situation.

◇ Ham Woon-kyung: I didn't even know Han Dong-hoon's phone number, so I didn't get close to him or anything.

◆ [Kim Woo-sung] Because similar opinions have the same side.

◇ Ham Woon-kyung: I think there are the same aspects, and I assume that representative Han Dong-hoon will run if there is an early presidential election. As I said earlier, half of the party members are in favor of impeachment. And I think that the positions are clearly divided and they will serve as a cause, but I think those who favor impeachment have made it clear that those who favor impeachment, except Mayor Hong Joon Pyo Han Dong-hoon, Kim Yoo Seung Min, and Kim Ahn Cheol Soo, for example, support impeachment. In this regard, I believe that former Chairman Han Dong-hoon will definitely enter the party among the candidates who reflect such party sentiment and public sentiment, and I predict that he will probably make a decision based on such national expectations and revival.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: The ruling and opposition parties continue to fight over the promulgation of the independent counsel law by Acting President Han Deok-soo and the appointment of a constitutional judge. How do I solve this?

◇ Ham Woon-kyung: Party leader Lee Jae-myung clearly suggested this issue first. through the State Security Council When the ruling and opposition parties gathered to solve the problem with Prime Minister Han Deok-soo, they saw this as a responsible attitude. Floor leader Kwon Sung-dong also said he would participate in this. I think it's right to put all those issues up here and talk about them. For example, the issue of the Special Prosecutor Act and the appointment of the head of the impeachment Constitutional Court are the same. We need to solve these problems. And I think the issues such as the Minister of Defense and the Minister of Public Administration and Security can be filled with people proposed by the opposition. Since all such issues have been proposed by the State Security Council, wouldn't our people be relieved only when they discuss and make decisions within the framework? I don't understand why this impeachment proceeding continues. What the hell do you want?

◆ Kim Woo-sung: As you just said, the ruling and opposition parties should continue to negotiate behind the scenes and reach an agreement through the ruling and opposition-political consultative body or the national stability consultative body. There must be a lot of people who think about that, but they are very tight. Each position is strengthened rather than communicating, but in the Democratic Party, the rest of the members of the State Council, this is part of it. It is not the official position of the Democratic Party of Korea, but some lawmakers' position, even claiming that "if all five members of the State Council are impeached, they will be automatically promulgated if we pass the bill according to the Constitution." Is it the frustration of the Democratic Party or is this the Democratic Party going too far as the People's Power criticizes?

◇ Ham Woon-kyung: I think it's probably part of the Democratic Party and the majority, but it's kind of an impeachment addiction. In other words, the Democratic Party is currently an impeachment addict. We need to solve some of these drug addiction. If you think about the Republic of Korea, shouldn't the people want to quickly resolve the current crisis and remove uncertainties? If the president has a problem, if these problems that he abused his authority during the civil war have occurred and he can no longer govern, stabilizing and organizing it as soon as possible will meet the demands of the people and I think I'm watching all of them. I believe that even if the ruling and opposition party government consultative body discusses it in the national stability consultative body, I believe that the decision will be made in a way that the people are relieved in a way that stabilizes each other, even if they can fight on the outside because the people are watching. That's what a politician should do. He's impeaching five members of the State Council. This actually means that the membership of the Cabinet is not established. It's not just the special prosecutor's law, is it? Does it make sense to say that you will completely paralyze the administration because you have to vote on matters related to the operation of other countries at the Cabinet meeting, but you can't support it?

◆ Kim Woo-sung: In fact, many people are a little worried about the situation in which this parallel line is drawn. From the perspective of the Democratic Party of Korea, Kim Dae-sik, a member of the People's Power, said on our program that the appointment of a constitutional judge would be made by the ruling and opposition parties one by one, and the other should be discussed again. But what is actually decided is the people's power of 'Never Appointment'. As a result, from the perspective of the Democratic Party of Korea, there is no discussion on this, so shouldn't we say that we have no choice but to push ahead?

◇ Ham Woon-kyung: There's nothing you can't do. It's what people do and it's the job of politics to solve it. So what does the National Assembly need? We should always go on the street and wrap each other up. You can't do that, can you?

◆ [Kim Woosung] Yes, sir. This is the situation. I think I should also ask about the situation related to the investigation. Attendance at the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit was due at 10 o'clock yesterday I was interested in attending, but I didn't comply with the second round. I think the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is a little cautious. What do you think? an investigation into allegations of rebellion

◇ Ham Woon-kyung: First of all, it is clear that this investigation is too big for the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit to handle, and it is actually difficult for the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit to handle. In fact, the Democratic Party of Korea created this situation, so didn't the prosecution rob the prosecution because it pushed for a special prosecution without an investigation and a quick investigation? In fact, the Democratic Party is the cause of the delay in the investigation, but before blaming it now, I think the president should take responsibility for everything in his statement. I'm just sorry that I can't see that now. I think that the people will judge that they have no will to protect the constitution.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: There may be a public perception that there seems to be no will to protect the constitution if he does not appear at the investigative agency. In the end, the fact that he will take responsibility for the investigation and the trial will be held confidently is true

◇ Ham Woon-kyung: You have to show them.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: You have to be active. That's what you're talking about. However, I will focus on the impeachment trial of the Constitutional Court first. He said he would put off the investigation into the alleged rebellion, referring to the situation of former President Park Geun Hye. How did you read this position?

◇ Ham Woon-kyung: The situation is a little different from that, so we can put it back and investigate, but there are several people arrested on charges of rebellion. They also have to be prosecuted when the arrest period expires. Then, I think it will be difficult to prosecute the president at the time of prosecution without the details of the prosecution being clear. I think the president should solve this.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: The President must solve it. In the end, we must confront the investigation with confidence. I think this is repeated. Regarding whether this is a civil war or not, people like the mayor of Hong Joon Pyo said, "It's not a civil war. It's happening. In the end, the National Assembly ended up lifting martial law. So this is not a civil war as a result. ’ You're in this position. What do you think of this part?

◇ Ham Woon-kyung: Since the announcement of the emergency martial law, I've been in a firm position, but I don't think it's very helpful to solve the problem to argue that I'm in a civil war. It's so tight. I hope the Constitutional Court will make a ruling as soon as possible. I don't think we have that much time. And this long-lasting uncertainty is really bad for the country.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: Yes, it seems that the investigation is able to speed up after this is covered by the Constitutional Court.

◇ Ham Woon-kyung: No. The investigation will be conducted by the investigation team first. The Constitutional Court follows the Constitutional Court again. Since it is conducted separately like this, I think it is helpful for the country to make a quick decision at the Constitutional Court because the Constitutional Court trial can originally investigate and proceed regardless.

◆ [Kim Woosung] Okay. In the midst of this, various rallies are being held outside the office. There are rallies against the impeachment of President Yoon Suk Yeol, and rallies to quote impeachment quickly. In this situation, the National Federation of Farmers' Associations drove a tractor to fight in Seoul, and the so-called Nam Tae-ryeong Pass continued to become a talker. It caused inconvenience to road traffic. There were a lot of stories about it being dangerous, but a lot of articles were made as citizens gathered there. First of all, Rep. Yoon Sang-hyun and floor leader Kwon Sung-dong used a lot of expressions such as disturbance and pro-North Korea over the rally, which itself is also being criticized. How do you see it?

◇ Ham Woon-kyung: There is no reason, in my view, to define it that way. So this tractor protest is not the first time. Next, there was no legal dispute, but these were all legally allowed. In my experience, things get bigger when you force yourself to block or press it. In fact, it would have been nice to have the ability to quickly protect and communicate and control things so that they don't get bigger, but in fact, didn't it only get bigger because they protected the police without any sanctions until they came up to Seoul and blocked them in Namtaeryeong? And since the court has already ruled that tractor protests are also allowed, I think that if we did not raise the problem and proceeded quickly within the legal compliance limit under the protection of the police, the problem would not have been bigger and helped to establish the right culture of protest. For example, we have anti-impeachment people coming forward and holding car demonstrations on the streets. Are you going to stop this? I can't stop it. Same thing. Therefore, even if there is such a vehicle protest, it is better for the police to cooperate to facilitate traffic quickly in order to communicate smoothly. It is really a good idea to forcefully prevent this and increase work.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: We talked a lot about traffic concerns, but he also said that we should allow it safely to the extent that we guarantee assembly and demonstration. He said this at the end. "I hope the party leadership will figure out the reality quickly, break up with the Yoon Suk Yeol Party, and don't miss the preparation for the presidential election to fight with Lee Jae-myung, the Democratic Party of Korea," he said. That's what was reported in Presian.

◇ Ham Woon-kyung: Oh, that's what I wrote on Facebook. I think people are very worried about the emergency committee, and people who have held elections several times in the metropolitan area, and then they are closely watching the public sentiment in the metropolitan area. If we think that we are not just doing the power of the people to live a day, but leading the Republic of Korea. If it's that kind of leadership. It is also the role of the emergency committee to resolve the current uncertainty as soon as possible and to prepare for the presidential election if the presidential election begins. The emergency committee chairman says he is not thinking about the presidential election yet, but that's the role he has been given. That's why I think it's not too late to evaluate whether it's pro-Yoon-dang or something after looking at it in accordance with its role. Since it is an emergency committee anyway, it is not an official leadership, so I think it is okay to play the role given to history well.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: A role given to history. You said a very big meaning, but under the so-called two-top system, there are few signals or messages about keeping distance from the president of Yoon Suk Yeol. The chairman's argument now is that if you are preparing for the presidential election, you should prepare for the presidential election a little bit further away from this incident.

◇ Ham Woon-kyung: No. Not only that, but even in the case of Special Prosecutor Kim Gun-hee, for example, we can't just say that we don't do it. So just unlimited investigation that the Democratic Party is talking about right now. Not the independent counsel law, which says it will pressure the people by breaking away from their power. Deutsche Motors should set a clear limit on Deutsche Motors, or 100 percent, to conduct an independent investigation, and then produce things we can agree on regarding the appointment of the independent counsel. On the contrary, I think the emergency committee might suggest that. That's the historical role. I'm looking at it like this. It's not a distance or a break, but a practical measure should precede it. I'm looking at it like this.

◆ [Kim Woosung] Okay. Rather, it should break through the position as an emergency committee and through amendments as the special prosecutor's force of the people. I heard that too. The Central Election Commission is on the rise and fall again. It's creating a controversy after saying it's a banner and then it's not. How do you see it?

◇ Ham Woon-kyung: Isn't it really absurd to say that not only banners, but that the president did this emergency martial law because of fraudulent elections? I think that the fact that the NEC brought this controversy on itself is problematic. Not only banners, but also all suspicions related to fraudulent elections, and I hope they will clarify them as soon as possible and get rid of them. In fact, Kim Eo-jun of the Democratic Party of Korea created the fraudulent election theory for the first time, but seeing it come back to the people's power and the fire is growing like this, we have to sort it out quickly, but the NEC is really incompetent. The election management is so bad that the NEC and these various people can raise suspicions. I think it's urgent to solve that first.

◆ [Kim Woosung] Okay. Thank you for your words today. Until now, Ham Un-kyung was the chairman of the Mapo-eul Party Cooperation Committee in Seoul. Thank you.