"Two top players in a double circle?" Double pistol shot to the people..."I should've had a Yoo Seung Min".

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□ Broadcasting: FM 94.5 (07:15-09:00)
□ Broadcast date and time: December 26, 2024 (Thursday)
□ Host: Kim Woo-sung PD
□ Castor: Cheon Ha-ram, floor leader of the New Reform Party

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◆ PD Kim Woo-sung (hereinafter referred to as Kim Woo-sung): Yes, this chord sound is a regret of Seo Taiji and (G)I-DLE Seo Taiji's generation. Not long ago, Seo Tae-ji also posted, "I'm sorry for the times again." a young man's regret As I warned you today how to resolve this regret, I will talk with Cheon Ha-ram, the floor leader of the New Reform Party. You came directly to the studio. Please come in.

◇ Chun Ha-ram, floor leader of the New Reform Party (hereinafter Chun Ha-ram): Yes, Chun Ha-ram of the New Reform Party.

◆ [Kim Woo-sung] Yes, because you're still classified as a young man.

◇ Cheon Ha-ram: Yes, I'm not actually a young man. I think the law goes back and forth.I'm also 40 the day after tomorrow, and your children will be in the third grade of elementary school soon. So, I think our politics are a little old-fashioned.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: Yes, in the past, people like Kim Young-sam, Kim Dae Jung, and people in their 30s and 40s were saying that politics was young. The people are more interested in the voices of young politics than ever. Now, he refused to attend the second session of the Yoon Suk Yeol Presidential Corruption Investigations Unit and a notice of receipt to the Constitutional Court, and now the Constitutional Court has sent it to him. He is proceeding with the process by saying, "I regard it as being served." It is a bit different from saying, "I will stand up to the end and will not give up until the end." They criticized it like this. This is an individual expression of Representative Cheon Ha-ram. We're going to draw a line and express it. What do you think?

◇ Cheonha-ram: Yes, it's actually Beop-kkkurae. It's like that. There are temptations to use delay tactics when everyone is in a legal dispute. A lot of people use delay tactics, but if you're going to do that, you shouldn't even say that I'm going to fight confidently. And if this happens later, there were similar problems in the Constitutional Court's decision during the impeachment trial of former President Park Geun Hye in the past.

◆ [Kim Woo-sung] Yes, yes, I did.

◇ Cheon Ha-ram: He said he would stand up to the investigation with confidence, but in the end he couldn't, and in the end, those things lacked the protection of the constitution or the restoration of trust in the people. There was a precedent that it was evaluated badly by the Constitutional Court. What I think is worse this time is that in the case of the existing crimes of the president of Park Geun Hye, the president's privilege of fluoridation still applies. However, in the case of President Yoon Suk Yeol, the charge of rebellion is actually completely excluded from it, so it has to be evaluated much worse by the Constitutional Court. That's how I see it.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: But now, in the passport, don't even use the expression 'insurrection' yet to be confirmed. ’ And the mayor of Hong Joon Pyo and others said, 'How is this a civil war? Can it be said that there was enough rioting to calm down an area? And didn't the right to demand the lifting of martial law come to be lifted? Consequently. So this is not consequently me. ’ It's a difficult story for the target criminal, but they say that, too.

◇ Cheon Ha-ram: How do you see it? First of all, the allegations of rebellion are very clear. You can talk about me repeatedly, but we'll look at it like that. Looking at some of the allegations of CEO Lee Jae-myung, I think CEO Lee Jae-myung is very serious and has a very clear part. It's my personal opinion. However, many people in the ruling party are politically attacking representative Lee Jae-myung, and accomplices are arrested on the charges, and after that, trials and such are mentioned all the time. In the case of President Yoon, not only Kim Yong-hyun, who is now an accomplice, but also many leaders of our military have already been arrested for rebellion. So, this means that I can't talk about it for a long time, regardless of what the theory is, but the Korean judiciary already believes that the charges have been cleared as a considerable amount of internal strife. Then Yoon Suk Yeol, the commander-in-chief, looks at it like this. Is there a case where the defense minister, Kim Yong-hyun, is the commander-in-chief of the Armed Forces and Yoon Suk Yeol, the party that declared the emergency martial law, is not the crime of rebellion? I don't think that's possible. In addition, it's because those who talk about it now don't know the nature of the coup. So if you try to take over the country when it's not a pro-defense coup and I'm not the commander-in-chief of the Armed Forces, you'll need a large-scale army, the troops will confront each other, and the tranquility of an area will actually be violated a lot. Like December 12th.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: Like the December 12 military revolt, some of the military had the president at the time, but they had to steal power.

◇ [Voiceover] Because we need to take it. There's a conflict between the military and the military. However, in the case of a pro-government coup, the scope of the conflict is very limited. Since I'm the president, I don't have to mobilize the military greatly, and I just have to neutralize constitutional institutions that check me, such as the National Assembly, the NEC, and the Supreme Court. That's exactly what happened in this case. The civil war is very clear to me.

◆ [Kim Woosung] Okay. He even explained his father's coup, and anyway, the Constitutional Court may be undergoing another impeachment trial, but there is also an investigation by the investigative agency, and Director Oh Dong-hoon's position is a little lukewarm. There was also an expression asking for precious time. What do you think?

◇ Cheon Ha-ram: Of course, he's a president who's been chosen by a huge number of people, so even if my authority is suspended, there's some specificity. However, as I said before, the head of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and the mayor of Hong Joon Pyo should know, the allegations of rebellion are not protected by the president's privilege of fluoridation. Yes, that's why I don't know if it's a number of other charges, but the charges of rebellion are a little specific. That's why it's possible to investigate even before the president's status is revoked by impeachment, and it's possible to say that the handling of recruits is this serious. Once again, please come out if you can only come out about President Yoon at a time when we have arrested so many people involved in this and those who have a very important responsibility to our military. This doesn't make sense. In this regard, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit needs to wake up and make active efforts to secure recruits. I think so.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: The discovery of the notebook of Roh Sang-won, the former commander of the Armed Forces' intelligence, has caused another stir. The content here is very radical. It is said that the names of the collection targets have also appeared. Parliament lockdown Then whether this is actually connected and whether the investigative agency proves the charges will be the key, what do you think?

◇ Cheon Ha-ram: I actually wondered when I was going through a martial law night in the National Assembly. Yes, the National Assembly is not a place where there is force. Your lawmakers don't have handguns or anything.
◆ Kim Woo-sung: Just guard it

◇ Cheonha-ram: There are some guards, but for that, sniper guns and automatic rifles were very heavily armed. So I actually wondered if this was just a level of arrest or obstruction of entry. And I was wondering why we needed sniper rifles. So I had some speculation about what kind of thoughts were beyond the scope of some kind of arrest that maybe our soldiers were not on the front lines, but maybe the leadership had some more serious thoughts, so

◆ Kim Woo-sung: We were very sensitive about what we didn't like.

◇ [Voiceover] That's right, but I think this is especially legally recognized as the evidence of the head's notes. The credibility is highly appreciated, so this may not have been 100% in practice, but the Yoon Suk Yeol and some other leaders of the civil war have at least considered arresting and killing people they don't like at this opportunity.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: In the case of former President Lee Park Geun Hye, there were many stories about the so-called Ahn Jong-beom's notebook. It's a tragedy and I'm worried because I think you can make a judgment by connecting the stories about the parts that were cited a lot as evidence. However, as some lawmakers of the People's Power and the mayor of Hong Joon Pyo say, was this a warning that it would be lifted? However, in that sense, there are suspicions about the preparation period as well as private lines in addition to the military. You're also a member of the impeachment prosecution. Explain those parts more

◇ Cheon Ha-ram: Yes, if you look at it now, he's the one who's looking at the fortune teller here. It is said that reverse technician is reverse technician, but this is the former intelligence commander. So he's already discharged from the military. I'm a civilian. I'm a civilian. It is said that even these people actively communicated with Kim Yong-hyun, the incumbent Minister of National Defense, and even looked at the dots, and now they have a very planned situation. So if you look at this, if it's really happening and it's for warning purposes, you have to persuade the people in the office to work for that purpose. Yes, the Joint Chiefs of Staff is actually almost passing. And if you look at the reports now, Shin Won-sik, the Minister of National Defense, is now the head of the security office. Since they oppose martial law, they pushed for it by replacing it and relocating it. Do I have to do this to give a warning and cause one happening? And there are rumors that the military leadership, which has participated and carried out numerous actual actions, had a very strong will to block the actual arrest and the National Assembly's decision to lift the code. When you look at these things, it's clear that this wasn't just a warning, it was trying to paralyze some function of the National Assembly or the NEC. And as a person I experienced at the time, why would special forces enter when they broke the window of the National Assembly if it was for warning purposes?

◆ Kim Woosung: Yes

◇ [Voiceover] That's right. Yes, if it's for warning purposes, there's no reason to do that. So, as a person who has just experienced it, this is just an excuse to say that it is for the purpose of warning after failing. That's how I rate it. Yes

◆ Kim Woo-sung: Yes, he said it was an excuse after failing. I think I need to wrap up with this talk. HID High-level agents with special missions to North Korea, especially Agent Black, are often talking about those who come out in spy movies, but they haven't returned yet. By the way, the acting defense minister of the Ministry of National Defense said that he's all back, but why does this continue to be controversial?

◇ Cheon Ha-ram: Well, first of all, I would like to trust the acting Secretary of Defense's response, if possible. Yes, but what is continuously revealed now is continuously being revealed as true. That's why we can't relax. It's always like that, isn't it? When we first talked about arresting Han Dong-hoon and Lee Jae-myung, did we really want to arrest Han Dong-hoon even if we didn't like Han Dong-hoon? When you talk about yourself, not only the arresting team but also the death of Han Dong-hoon is written in the notebook. In the case of Black agents, as you said, they play roles in spy movies, so will their movements and movements be 100% confirmed by the Ministry of National Defense?

◆ [Kim Woo-sung] There's a specificity. There is also the peculiarity of not moving without direct supervisor command

◇ Cheon Ha-ram: There are concerns about whether this has been completely resolved as we move the slippers, but since the Ministry of National Defense has come up with an opinion, I'm going to believe in the Ministry of National Defense's announcement until other evidence comes out.

◆ [Kim Woosung] Okay. Since it was released through the media, I hope there will be no concerns. The interpretation and standards of acting Han Deok-soo's appointment as a constitutional judge are different. In fact, it is correct to say that it is interpreted differently even though it is the same standard. What do you think? I'm saying, "I can't play the role of an acting authority. I can't play it here."

◇ Cheon Ha-ram: Oh, I also expressed my opinion, but the acting president Hwang Kyo-ahn has already appointed a constitutional judge in the position of acting president. Judge Lee Sun-ae is a judge and if there was a problem with this, the fact that Judge Lee Sun-ae has worked as a judge so far is a problem. That doesn't make sense. And the Constitutional Court has already made it clear. Possible

◆ Kim Woo-sung : Supreme Court introduced

◇ Cheon Ha-ram: The Supreme Court also said that it is possible to appoint a Supreme Court justice. That's why I'm going to have a confirmation hearing for the Supreme Court today. Being an acting president can literally act on behalf of the president in general. Yes, but we're not elected, so we're interpreting that it's better to refrain from any overly active actions. In interpretation, it is legally an acting president, so you can exercise the power of any president.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: The floor leader Kwon Seong-dong is different from acting as the head of the administration, but he opposes such an appointment because he says it is an act of the head of state.
◇ Cheon Ha-ram: No, that's already against the old precedent, and if you look at the cases this time. It's not up to the president to appoint a constitutional judge this time. If it is to appoint the president's share, it is worth hearing a little bit about floor leader Kwon Sung-dong. Yes, but it's up to the National Assembly to appoint three people this time. Yes, it's up to the National Assembly, and the National Assembly recommends it arbitrarily, and the extra floor leader agrees to proceed with the confirmation hearing and nominate it. In fact, the president exercising his right to appoint here is just a formal stamp in the middle. It's all decided by the National Assembly. This is some kind of exercise of authority as head of state. But why exercising these social powers is the worst for people like floor leader Kwon Sung-dong. He's not a person who doesn't know this method. You were a lawyer-turned-lawyer. He was a lawyer and floor leader Kwon Sung-dong would know everything. But even though they know everything, they are lying to the people now to somehow drag their supporters who are vulnerable to the people's power. Even though you know this,

◆ Kim Woo-sung: In detail, there are also claims that during the president of Park Geun Hye, he was appointed after he was cited for impeachment. But that's

◇ Cheon Ha-ram: It doesn't really mean anything legally. Regardless, the fact that an acting president is an unelected acting president does not change before and after the impeachment citation.

◆ [Kim Woosung] Yes, sir. The Democratic Party is talking about the impeachment of acting Han Deok-soo. It is also the personal opinion of a few lawmakers, as well as acting Han Deok-soo, but all other members of the State Council can be impeached. There are also talks about this, but there are also strong criticisms about it. Yes ◇ Cheon Ha-ram: I need to impeach the rest of the members of the State Council to neutralize the State Council itself and make sure that we propose a bill unconditionally. I think this is a really bad story. This is really wrong. If you do that, the Korean government itself will collapse. This is not a government collapse. The Korean government, of course, had a big problem called civil war this time, but the acting authority is now taking place and functioning according to the procedures set out in the Constitution. Impeaching the current situation and five or more members of the State Council to collapse the entire government and get rid of the Cabinet is a completely different matter. This is to create a situation of government collapse, but people who say this think that I am not qualified as a member of the National Assembly. Yes, but I also think acting Han Deok-soo should not be impeached if possible. Because when you look at foreign credibility and our foreign investors, it can give you a lot of anxiety about what's going on in the Korean government. As I have repeatedly said, there is nothing wrong with the appointment of a constitutional judge, and it is very unconstitutional to say that it will undermine any function or composition of the Constitutional Court by not appointing a constitutional judge, and I believe it has crossed the red line, and it is a little too much to ask for impeachment right away since the independent counsel law has passed the 24th, but if you say you veto it until the end, this is inevitable. That's how I look.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: In the end, the independent counsel law and the appointment of a constitutional judge have been passed on to Acting President Han Deok-soo, and these positions are being announced day by day. There is also a notice that the official position of the President of Yoon Suk Yeol will come out today, so we need to invite him often to listen to his position. Democratic Party lawmaker Park Ji-won's claim also became a hot topic. After the emergency martial law crisis, the ruling party received a proposal for a national cabinet prime minister. There was some talk before that, and I said this is a conspiracy, but in a way, it can be interpreted that the opposition party and the president's office and the power of the people have been talking about something.

◇ Cheon Ha-ram: How nice would it have been if we had done this in advance? As soon as I suffered a crushing defeat in the general election, I thought that there would have been no such unfortunate situation if I had formed a national cabinet when de facto governance became difficult and talked about shortening the term of office at the time.
◆ Kim Woo-sung: If it was, would lawmaker Park Ji-won have received it?

◇ [Voiceover] Of course he got it. For example, if you can build some ministers and powerful ministers and take the lead in your management, you would have received people like Park Ji-won and Park Ji-won. But the bus has already left. So after committing your emergency civil war, all these compromises have left the bus. The only thing the president can do right now is to step down.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: There is only one thing I can do now. Inside the power of the people is the emergency committee system. "Two, two, two, two top." But the evaluation didn't end up with friendship. It's this kind of criticism. How do you see it?

◇ Chun Sang-ram: Yes, Kwon Young-se is originally reasonable. He is evaluated like this, but he was in the cabinet in the Yoon Suk Yeol government, and he has quite a lot of friendship. Yes, this is not as good as nothing.

◆ Kim Woo-sung : It can't be more than this without

◇ [Voiceover] Yeah, this doesn't mean anything. So what's the difference? If the people want to feel it, they should have had a Yoo Seung Min card. Yes, he would have said that the power of the people would really go on a path that changes completely after hearing the sound of putting down the privileged vested interest and writing it, but he can't even take out the Yoo Seung Min card and fiddle with Kim Jae-seop's card, so he can't make it a reality and eventually take it out. This is just a really cheap double-ticket. I think I'll take out the double-ticket and keep getting shot by the people in front of the people. I think it's really a double pistol leadership.

◆ [Kim Woo-sung] Let me also ask you about the inside of the New Reform Party. Rep. Lee Joon-seok has begun his presidential campaign. In fact, there are some areas where the four Myung Tae-kyun issues are at stake, but there are also conflicts with CEO Heo Eun-ah. What is the situation?

◇ [Voiceover] So when you're a political party, even though we have good intentions, there can be some kind of disagreement in terms of methodology and things like that. In the case of our New Reform Party, unlike the power of the people, it is insignificant to say that it has enough power to fight for power. Therefore, in some ways, the party is in the process of discussing its direction a little during the turbulent period. It will soon be settled. That's what I'm looking forward to.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: Will the issue of pollack be an obstacle to Rep. Lee Joon-seok's presidential campaign? Please make it short.

◇ Cheon Ha-ram: Yes, I don't think it's going to be an obstacle at all. In the case of lawmaker Lee Joon-seok, he is very aware that he interacts with a lot of people, but at least he does not commit a crime. I also have strong trust in that part.

◆ [Kim Woosung] Okay. We'll invite you next time and listen to your stories. Today, he was the floor leader of the New Reform Party. Audit

◇ [Voiceover] Thank you. Thank you.