■ Host: Anchor Park Seok-won, Anchor Um Ji-min
■ Starring: Lee Jong-geun, current affairs critic, Seo Yong-ju, head of the Political and Social Research Institute
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[Anchor]
Let's listen to various opinions, including the field situation, with Lee Jong-geun, a current affairs critic, and Seo Yong-ju, head of the Political and Social Research Institute. Did you pass the scene of that place?
[Lee Jong-geun]
That's right. I saw him. He looked very tense. Isn't there a white door in the scene I saw? It is blocked by a minibus in front of it, and as shown in the press report now, the cordon is spread over the first and second rounds. I saw it myself.
[Anchor]
You saw this scene, right?
[Lee Jong-geun]
[Voiceover] That's right. The iron gates and then the minibuses are in the way, and you can't see the troops in this scene in front of it, but in the scene I saw, there were dozens of troops in front of it. So to get over that bus, I passed it in a confrontation situation, and I kept watching YTN, but isn't there a way over there as it collapsed? To the left of the street, there is another secondary cordon for the minibus. It was also a scene where it collapsed and jumped in urgently. From here, if you go to the left and go up to the right, you will find the official residence. But I don't think I've entered the official residence yet.
[Anchor]
The first cordon you mentioned is the white iron gate over there. It's been more than two hours since that one opened. At around 8:02 a.m., the white iron door was opened without any special dispatch, but the situation seems to be difficult after that.
[Applicant owner]
What we think of as entering the official residence is not the official residence entrance, but the official residence entrance. If you go in there, you'll find the presidential mission of the National Assembly, and you'll find the foreign ministerial mission, the Joint Chiefs of Staff's mission, and the defense minister's mission. And after going through it, you go inside the official residence. Therefore, the parts where the door to the official residence was first opened may be meaningful, but you have to pass the second gate to get to the official residence, and as we have repeatedly heard breaking news, there was a little physical fight within the second gate. That's where the security guard blocked the road from the official residence to the official residence. So, since it went into the end of the scuffle, the security forces blocked the section entering the official residence from the second round and even went to a physical fight. So I think it's right to say that we haven't reached the front of the official residence yet.
[Anchor]
According to the new news from the scene, the news that the Dong-A Ilbo has presented a new arrest warrant to the security chief and is asking for cooperation has come in as a breaking news. Since then, the head of the security has said that he has refused to search for the security area under the Security Act. Then, wasn't it in this position that the security service would perform security in accordance with legal procedures in the transaction and in accordance with legal procedures? In the end, does the physical fight have no choice but to continue?
[Lee Jong-geun]
That's right. At first, I thought that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit might have built a justification for the confrontation. So, first of all, arresting the president directly was not actually in Korea's constitutional history, and isn't it a rare case in foreign countries? Then, there are citizens outside who oppose arrest, so I thought that I would stand back from confronting them today, and I came this far.I thought Ma wasn't. Because the first one was notified by the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit.
I'm leaving at 6 o'clock. Since yesterday, such rumors have been circulating, and the community has turned around and seen a community of anti-impeachment citizens and anti-impeachment citizens gathering, so we're going to surprise them at 6 a.m. tomorrow morning.There was a story like this beforehand. However, given that he clearly departed from the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit at 6 o'clock today, it seems that he has given up such things as the smuggling of the investigation. Because we go surprise and arrest them unexpectedly, give up this scenario and announce what time we're going to go, and it's a regular law. If you look at it again, isn't the first cordon and the second cordon being breached in four hours? Looking at this, I think the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit thinks that we have a justification anyway and that we will see the decision until the end of the day.
[Anchor]
And there's a third cordon left after breaking through the second cordon, and inside the official residence, there's news that you've been confronted by military units. But it's presumed to be water radiation. Did you even mobilize a bodyguard and a bodyguard?
[Applicant owner]
Originally, the radiation side was called the 55th Guard Corps, so they were stationed there to guard the outside. Looking at it now, I think I went to the front gate of my official residence. I think the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit closed the door in front of the main gate and announced the execution of the warrant to the head of the security service. If it doesn't work after a few times, there is a high possibility that it will be enforced. In the case of the 55th Guard Corps, the mission is to guard the outside of the residence, not me.
[Anchor]
However, according to the news that came in, the presidential security service came in as a breaking news that it was not a military confrontation. Therefore, it seems necessary to check whether it is a water radiation manpower. In the beginning, as you can see, vehicles that appear to be military vehicles on the right screen were also blocking the access road next to the minibus, so they were confronting military personnel.
[Applicant owner]
I think I'm talking about it, not the military who spent the military confrontation in the military chorus. The military was not deployed separately, but there was originally a military guard around the presidential office. It's called a security unit. The water radiation part mainly plays this role, and in that part, it's a little bit. If you face each other, it's a confrontation, a physical fight. So those are the parts. That vehicle, which looks like an armored vehicle, turns out to be a search vehicle. It's not an armoured vehicle, but an armoured search vehicle that goes around and searches the residence. So I don't think this part went around to confront the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. Now that the official residence has announced the execution of an arrest warrant to the head of the security service, no matter how illegal the head of the security service claims, there is no law beyond the Constitution. The Security Service Act itself means protecting the president in criminal fluoridation, not protecting the president who committed the crime of civil rebellion, which is a criminal prosecution stipulated in the Constitution. Therefore, no matter how long the security chief can say that because of his relationship with the president, he will not be able to reject constitutional warrants, so even if it takes some time, the main gate of the official residence will have to be opened.
[Anchor]
As we told you earlier as a breaking news, the security chief was in a position that in a way, the search under the security law was not allowed. Didn't you send a warning before entering the draft and offset all the grounds that could be legally prevented under the Criminal Law? But I'm holding a security law again.
[Lee Jong-geun]
That's right. I think the security office is arguing that this is not legal on the grounds that President Yoon's lawyers have argued so far. Of course, while talking about the security law. As the anchor said, Articles 110 and 111 of the Criminal Procedure Act are the most problematic as the warrant is issued. So, all the search and seizure warrants were canceled before that. Although a warrant was issued, under Articles 110 and 111 of the Criminal Procedure Act, the search and seizure cannot be carried out unless the person in charge permits the search and seizure of such objects and places that contain military secrets or official secrets.
I don't know if it's because of those two clauses in the Criminal Code, but the Western District Court pointed out these two clauses as exceptions in the warrant. As I said now, I think it was decided that legal support would be provided only when the provision was invalidated, conscious of the failure of the search warrant before that. In my opinion. There's something I'm a little disappointed about. First of all, the fact that a warrant is issued means arresting whatever space that space is, and although it is a partial opinion in the legal profession by pointing it out, this is an abuse of justice. It's an abuse of jurisdiction. Because the law is specific and we shouldn't make exceptions for someone or make laws for someone. The universality of the law. It is only sustainable if there is such a universality of the law that applies to everyone. If there is a precedent, it becomes the basis for the judge to arbitrarily abuse this exception saying that there is no exception. So I wonder why they give me an excuse for what I'm very disappointed in.
[Anchor]
And there are cases where key figures appointed by former Minister Kim Yong-hyun when he was the head of the security service still remain in the security service, so it would be difficult to change the previously discussed policy prematurely.
[Applicant owner]
Right. The bodyguard is holding out by putting forward the bodyguard law. It's just that the president's legal system isn't that sloppy. So what is enforced in warrantism is based on the Constitution. Because the Security Service Act is a very sub-concept of the president's security, what they can do is to specify the scope of security and to protect the president in terms of harm to the president, and no security law has the power to block court warrants. That's why I think we're having a lot of discussions. Even law enforcement can urgently arrest the chief of security as a current offender for obstructing the execution of public affairs, in the warrant. But I think the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is talking so that it doesn't go that far. Nevertheless, if we continue to confront each other, we can't help it. Shouldn't the same apply to anyone? What happens if ordinary people deal with the police's official duties at all? It is the law enforcement of the majority of the people who handcuff them right on the spot and take them as current offenders. The chief of security is no exception to that.
[Anchor]
Do you think the security will discuss it?
[Applicant owner]
I think the consultation will take a long time. Since the security chief is not alone in a situation where he can endure, as far as I know, the security guard seems to be somewhat resistant and physically blocking the main gate of the official residence, but the security guards are not the Yoon Suk Yeol's security guards. Because it is the president's bodyguard, the security guard is a state official for the president, who is currently accused of civil war and is a suspect in the lead of civil war. You can't throw away all the civil service positions, can you? So in that area, you'll have no choice but to comply with the law and the procedures that are set, that's what it looks like.
[Anchor]
What you can see right now is by the main gate of the official residence. A large number of people are entering there, but it has been confirmed that police personnel are entering because there was a jumper marked "police" earlier. However, it has not been confirmed that the personnel entering now are police personnel, personnel from the headquarters, or personnel from the security service. Since it's plain clothes, I don't know if it's a police officer. I think it's more likely to be a police officer or a security guard. If the security service also cooperates, didn't President Yoon file an objection with the Seoul Western District Court that the warrant is illegal? If the president holds out until the end, isn't it too much to enforce as long as he maintains his current presidency?
[Lee Jong-geun]
If it is enforced, the voices of those who oppose the impeachment of the president, including those who are guarding it, will inevitably increase, which will inevitably lead to a huge social conflict cost. The persuasion that the chairman kept talking about earlier is a very important part. Just because the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is legitimate, it is unreasonably prevented, but beyond that, all of them are arrested for obstructing the execution of public affairs, and even the president is forced to secure recruits.
Then it's legal. However, due to the legitimate process, the index of conflict is bound to increase. Then, I think we need a process that allows anyone to nod their heads, whether they are supporters of the president, opponents of the president, or just wait-and-see. It is necessary for the process to be executed smoothly without any mishaps. So I think the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is trying to persuade them for 4 or 5 hours. I don't think the collision is that big.
The first cordon and the second cordon took time, of course, but I didn't feel like I was going to lock this up when we kept watching. If you look at the situation in the security service. Of course, the distance is long, so I don't know if I think I'll make the last stop in front of the official residence. Nevertheless, the barricade is zigzag in front of the iron gate.
Because this is the place where the gunfight took place during the December 12 incident, such as the diplomatic mission. That's why security has been much stronger since then, but if all the zigzag barricades have been removed, and the iron gates have been removed to the second cordon, it's actually not easy to stop the official residence. So, I kind of agree with the chairman's opinion that the security guard's blocking is stubborn and completely really locked down, which means that I feel less.
[Anchor]
It's been about 2 hours and 20 minutes since we broke through the white iron gate at 8:02. So if you arrest the president of Yoon Suk Yeol, if you get a recruit, what's the process after that?
[Applicant owner]
First, let's move to Gwacheon, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. And then we'll do the research. There are about 200 pages of various investigation documents, and it is highly likely that an overnight survey will be conducted through questions and responses. And if the investigation is conducted, it is considered to be a Seoul detention center. From there, President Yoon Suk Yeol will be waiting to request an arrest warrant and be examined for it within 48 hours. Above all, I watch the confrontation between the police and the security service as if it were a sad movie, and I don't think we can just overlook the president's behavior here. From what perspective will the president be looking at these situations? You're watching this live on YouTube, right?
How well are you blocking people who come to catch me? But his job has been suspended, but he's not a person who's been suspended. That's why they call it the president of Yoon Suk Yeol. Isn't the president almost sitting on the sidelines watching this situation in Korea like this? The public and foreign media are clearly watching whether it is qualified or whether it is the act of a president with dignity. It's so miserable. I'm like this. At this point, the president is supposed to be like this barricade, physical fight, and if the people are cold outside, he or she will come out and make a public statement, announce his position, and go to Gwacheon. Wouldn't this be Korea where we have common sense?
But the president, who said he would protect the rule of law and the Constitution of the Republic of Korea, is really... sitting at his residence like a pseudo-religious and asking me to protect him. It's disastrous. Even the foreign media continues to talk about the situation. I can hear how much national dignity is falling. I feel sorry. [Anchor] At 2 p.m. today, on the one hand, the Constitutional Court is also preparing for the second hearing on the impeachment trial of the president. three failure to comply with attendance requests And it takes a little more time to execute the arrest warrant today. I also think that these things will not be too much for future defense, what do you think?
[Lee Jong-geun]
If the president gives an excuse that he refuses to comply with a legitimate arrest warrant today, he will be at a considerable disadvantage in future prosecutions and trials. In the first place, the arrest warrant will be at a disadvantage. I don't think an arrest warrant will be issued. This is because, despite the fact that the reason was clearly explained when Lee Jae-myung's arrest warrant was rejected last time, Judge Yoo Chang-hoon asked if the opposition leader was feared to flee at the time.
Then, the arrest warrant means that he will arrest a person for a while for investigation because he has refused three times, but the arrest warrant should give him various opportunities to defend himself in the future trial process. As you said, only his duties have been suspended, but his position is the president, right? The president is running away? The opposition leader also rejected the idea that there was no fear of running away, but the logic would be that the president would run away and destroy evidence. But maybe the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit will do this. The process of refusing to comply with the arrest warrant three times will probably appeal to the judge. This process itself will not be advantageous in terms of prosecution or requesting an arrest warrant.
[Anchor]
Then, do you think there is a high possibility that the court will not arrest you?
[Lee Jong-geun]
Isn't an arrest warrant the most important thing about destroying evidence and running away? The fear of destroying evidence and fleeing does not judge that the incumbent president is feared to destroy evidence and flee. There were a lot of cases.
[Anchor]
Director Seo Yong-joo, how do you think the court will judge whether or not Yoon Suk Yeol will be arrested?
[Applicant owner]
It's 100% restrained. Because of the seriousness of the crime, of course, there is no reason to argue about this. Escape and destruction of evidence are in themselves escape now. The warrant is stuck in the official residence. What is escape? It is said that there is no fear of escape when the investigative agency calls and comes and can go whenever it is free, but it is difficult for the investigative agency to execute the president of Yoon Suk Yeol. I'm still looking at it with my eyes. The court will take this seriously as a flight concern. And then there's so much evidence destruction coming out. Starting with the power of the people, strong supporters, including Pastor Jeon Kwang-hoon, and far-right forces around them say it is not a crime of rebellion. This is an act of governance. It's not a destruction of evidence, what is it?
In this regard, basically, the court is in principle to investigate the crime of rebellion. Next, I'm the head of the group. Even the punishment for rebellion is the highest punishment under the criminal law. Death penalty, life imprisonment, and life imprisonment. Since this is based on a strong legal system that requires quarantine in Korea, there is no room for arrest investigation as a principle.
[Lee Jong-geun]
I basically admit that the charge of rebellion is serious. I agree, but I want you to clearly narrow the scope of the logic you mentioned to me legally, and I'm talking about the destruction of evidence by the suspect who is the president. At a time when the suspect has to decide whether to destroy evidence or flee, for example, some lawmakers of the People's Power went to the assembly shown now, Rep. Yoon Sang-hyun or former Rep. Kim Min. What does it have to do with destroying evidence to say that this is not a crime of rebellion? I don't agree with the Democratic Party's position to accuse those who claim that the crime of rebellion cannot be established as propaganda and instigation.
I'm basically against martial law and I'm saying it on the premise that the country of Korea should express its thoughts anyway and say why this is a crime of rebellion or not in the field of public opinion. Didn't the Democratic Party say that the act of trying to infringe on individual freedom of thought by making a distinction of propaganda that all those who say it is not a crime of rebellion because it is unconditionally a crime of rebellion? That's the point of conscience.
I won't give up my beliefs and do nothing under any circumstances. even if you disagree with his ideas You're against it, Democrats, because they're the ones who want to build socialism in our country. However, I don't understand that those who insisted on protecting those who kept their conscience, even if they objected, would file a complaint that it was not a crime of rebellion. And some ultra-right YouTubers keep saying that they are far-right YouTubers or far-rights, but far-rights are people who try to carry out their beliefs as extremism or extreme riots or violence. I don't entirely agree with them, but nevertheless, I think it's quite inappropriate to frame this completely and frame it as a bad person and a minority person and to look at the current situation really objectively.
[Applicant owner]
I think it's an idle thought. So freedom of expression can be argued with some political opposition. However, the crime of rebellion is an attempt to kill a legal personality based on the constitution of the Republic of Korea. So it's a huge sin for an individual to kill an individual. It's a crime of rebellion to impose heavier criminal penalties than that. So, breaking the separation of powers constituted in the Republic of Korea, disrupting the order of the Constitution, breaking it, killing the legal person of the country called the Republic of Korea. That's why the law firmly excludes the crime of rebellion and foreign exchange against the president from the privilege of prosecuting the criminal law. It's that important, but it's just freedom of expression in this area. It's not a crime of rebellion yet, it's an act of governance, what's wrong? We did a good job. What's wrong with mobilizing the military and police to detain the lawmakers and shoot them down? It's cool and nice. You have to do that to get rid of the silence. If we leave a precedent that it is a crime to do the 2nd and 3rd emergency martial law, can the legal system of the Republic of Korea exist?
So when we get released, will the president, and then the president, do some emergency martial arts against political actors he doesn't like? So, in this regard, the constitution of the state stipulates that it should be condemned firmly. In this regard, I don't have a statute of limitations on the crime of propaganda in civil war. Even after 10 years, if you sympathize with this civil war or give incorrect information, you can be punished. And you're afraid of running away? Let's see that they're going to release it. I went to the airlift for 48 hours without arrest. Send it home. They want me to come out of my official residence again, but I can't. Do I have to repeat this again? This is the fear of escaping. But how can you release it without restraining it? This is a part that is not bound by common sense and social standards of the law. In particular, things up to the free part of expression can be a little idle.
[Anchor]
The screen on the right is the interior of the official residence. It's what it was a while ago. The security service staff are also very busy, and aren't about 120 employees of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, including police personnel? The president must be watching this situation through any channel, so what is the president's idea? Do you see it as an idea not to disobey the law?
[Lee Jong-geun]
Basically, I think this is what the president's attitude and what he thinks in the letter. It's called defense. Anyway, if the president is a suspect and he is a suspect, he has to defend himself, but the two things overlap. One is scheduled for a hearing in the Constitutional Court related to the dismissal of the president, and the other is the investigation and prosecution or trial process related to the crime of rebellion. If so, he will be arrested now and will be examined by the Constitutional Court as a prisoner. Wouldn't this have no choice but to affect the Constitutional Court's hearing? Then, I think the reason why the lawyer said let's start with the Constitutional Court hearing is that I can only receive the Constitutional Court hearing fairly by first fighting for the position related to the dismissal. Because of that, he continues to argue that he will first receive a constitutional hearing. Personally, I definitely want the president to be a little confident in agreeing with what you said. It's not that my position has been lifted. He is still the president, and if we call him the president, the president is a person who has even sworn to defend the Constitution. If so, the warrant is
Some of me think that there is definitely something that is not legal.
Nevertheless, he is basically not confident and confident about the president's refusal to respond to law enforcement actions by public institutions that came to execute warrants. As you said, I feel sorry that I should have accepted it if I said I would do it confidently. But what I think about the chairman's words is that there is also a movie called 1987 but what did the military regime do at the time? Didn't you say that spies should be beaten unconditionally and make people suspected of pro-North Korea torture without procedural justification or procedural process, and as a result, this person was called a spy and tried as a spy? As I said before, the entire process of arresting, trialing and hearing a new president at the Constitutional Court should be a process that everyone can still nod their heads.
Because otherwise, this conflict will continue after that and social conflict costs will inevitably arise. But there are definitely parts that are insufficient in three points. a part that had no investigative power In fact, Kook Soo-bon requested a warrant and asked the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. Even though there is a legitimate process, there is a part where I pushed for it saying that this is legal because there is a collaborative version. Second, the Central District Court and the Western District Court are also very disappointing. If the chairman is also claiming that it is a crime of rebellion, the jurisdiction of the first trial, which is stipulated in the Public Offices Act, will go beyond the part that the jurisdiction of the Central District Court is originally Yongsan, so the Western District Court will do it. This part also looks like a trick to get a warrant. Lastly, Articles 110 and 111 were done by judges. We should not ignore procedural processes on the grounds that we are free, in a hurry, and need to do these things quickly.
[Anchor]
On the left, we're showing you the front door of the presidential residence at this time through the screen. On the right, we're showing you entering the official residence a little while ago. Today, I think the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit will be able to divide the two cases of whether or not President Yoon Suk Yeol is secured. If we get the recruits, we'll start investigating right away today, at the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. Lee Dae-hwan and Cha Jung-hyun, the senior prosecutor, will ask questions. It was initially known that the questionnaire was about 100 pages, but it is now reinforced to about 200 pages. Now, the president of Yoon Suk Yeol denies the allegations themselves, so what can be asked to reveal the relevant matters?
[Applicant owner]
First of all, the evidence of this illegal martial law is full. Testimony of generals who were engaged in important duties under the head of the current civil war. Even the head of the Korean National Police Agency, the head of the Seoul Metropolitan Government, and many others are testifying. situations at the time It recently came out that I talked to three people on the phone. There is also a defense commander, a special force commander, an counterintelligence commander, and the National Police Agency. I'll check on that. So, in the first place, President Yoon Suk Yeol is completely denying the allegations of his head of the civil war. The arrest body was not taken out. Then, he wrote a decree, but he lifted the curfew. I never asked a member of Congress to restrict access. So if you look at it now, you're telling lies that will be revealed soon, but the prosecution will probably hear all the lies and point them out. That's the reason for the arrest. You deny the allegations.
So I'm going to write it down after receiving it. Even if you don't have to confess that you did it from the mouth of President Yoon Suk Yeol, there is already a lot of evidence, circumstances, and statements. So first of all, the confirmation process for the parts of page 200, and then the President of Yoon Suk Yeol and his lawyers will reject and deny it. However, if a warrant is requested anyway, the investigation is expected to continue with the confirmation process in prison at the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit after imprisonment.
[Anchor]
But when the execution begins again, so doesn't the timer of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit turn from the start of the execution? We have to request an arrest warrant within 48 hours. If President Yoon continues to refuse to make a statement, wouldn't he go back to nothing on this part?
[Lee Jong-geun]
I don't think so. Because President Yoon is guilty of rebellion. So the highest suspicion of civil war is the group. So, it's not an individual charge, there should be an organization in its execution, and it's a crime of that organization. At that time, two important mission workers underneath that, namely, the rebellion, the main mission worker, and the simple rebellion have already been arrested. Roh Sang-won and Kim Yong-hyun. However, Kim Yong-hyun is also using his right to remain silent, but if the three commanders under his direction, the counterintelligence commander, the defense commander, or the commanders, testify in detail and consistently, the charges of the two, who say they are major mission workers, are now timely, issued arrest warrants and charged, one of them. Isn't this the prosecution process?
If that's the case, then being prosecuted has become a vindication, and the charges against these two have been cleared, think about it. These two are not the commander-in-chief right now. Doesn't the Secretary of Defense have the right to command the military? Martial law can only be proposed by the defense minister, not declared or declared. Then, of course, an arrest warrant was issued for these two people, the important mission workers we talked about earlier. He's been charged. If the court judges that such a process has become a vocation, of course, even without the president's approval, I think it will be easy to prosecute with these consistent testimonies and evidence.
[Anchor]
The Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit said that if the investigation is conducted today, it will also review video recording, but the president of Yoon Suk Yeol must agree. Do you want me to agree?
[Applicant owner]
There's a good chance you won't agree. I don't have to do it through video recording. If you look at it now, it's almost like I'm lying down. The president of Yoon Suk Yeol is. I'm not like this, even if you catch me to the end... This is the level of a conviction right now. But I don't think I'll do that because I don't think there will be any reason to leave various evidence of myself through video recording. This is beyond discussion, but economic indicators are recovering even while the government is executing a presidential arrest warrant. This is a tragedy for me. Why are the economic indicators recovering when the president is arrested so much? So in that regard, I hope that the president will find the dignity of the president at the end and walk out a little bit to the Gwacheon Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit.
[Anchor]
The Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is announcing a briefing on the president's arrest this afternoon. Are you going to proceed until the afternoon and prepare for the 2nd and 3rd rounds? Or should I watch it as a mid-term briefing?
[Lee Jong-geun]
I don't know. If I say I'm going to do a briefing in the afternoon, I'm still building up a cause that I can't think of from the beginning to yesterday. In other words, it shouldn't even be a physical fight at the end. However, if you look at the security service's blocking right now, even if the first and second rounds were breached, it's already been more than an hour since I arrived here. I've already reached the front of my official residence an hour ago. However, the fact that they have been confronting each other for an hour without any news does not mean that the security service's lockdown and the last cordon have a very strong confrontation. However, if you make up your mind and decide to penetrate this, you can't rule out the possibility of a de facto armed conflict with about 80 personnel.
If so, as I kept saying earlier, public opinion is important for the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit as we continue to persuade without such conflicts. It's not here even though we did it today, rather than unconditionally executing and opposing impeachment, that is, raising the resentment of citizens who oppose impeachment. And there are still six days left after withdrawing again. Since it is until Monday, there is a possibility that he will do it again on the back of public opinion by appealing to the people once again. That's why today's briefing is likely to be such a briefing that appeals to public opinion that they tried this way but did not respond for this reason.
[Anchor]
What do you think?
[Applicant owner]
I'm sure the people are nervous in many ways right now. What's going to happen? I'm looking at the breaking news in detail through YTN, but I think I'll probably do an interim briefing at that level because it can increase people's anxiety about what the current situation is like and whether there is a conflict. Basically, I don't think the confrontation will be prolonged. Although negotiations with the security agency are currently taking place inside, wouldn't the president have no choice but to put himself down and come out at this point? I think so. For example, it's embarrassing to see the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigators forcibly overpower the president and drag him out. So I think those parts will be resolved. I think I want to explain those parts during the mid-term briefing.
[Anchor]
Critic Lee Jong-geun said earlier that if the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit fails today, it could be a way to appeal to public opinion and try again. If the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit appeals to public opinion, I heard that there is a conflict within the security service. Could the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit change its position?
[Applicant owner]
does not change.
[Anchor]
Will it not change according to public opinion?
[Applicant owner]
So the execution of public power is not done by public opinion. The law is a legal process based on the law, and if it is broken here today, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit will no longer have the basis for arresting.
[Anchor]
Will the president change then?
[Applicant owner]
There's no chance the president will change. The reason is that if we beat today and the co-operation version turns, we won. Then it becomes more difficult to enforce public power after that. Then they say they won and more asphalt rightists with the Korean flag will gather in front of them. And the president said that his resistance itself worked, so it's like the head of a rebellion beating the Constitution of the Republic of Korea. You shall not do so. That's why it has to be executed today.
[Anchor]
Then, if the arrest fails today, there are many predictions that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit will try again after that. What choice do you think the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit will make?
[Applicant owner]
I understand that I went into execution with the intention of ending it within today, and I understand that even the police commando has requested cooperation. Then, when the police commando enters, it becomes a situation where they have no choice but to pull it out by physical force.
[Anchor]
If it were to fail, wouldn't President Yoon's side send a letter to his supporters, strengthening the gathering of supporters? Do you think there is a possibility that you will issue a second message?
[Lee Jong-geun]
Well, I think it depends on how you execute it today. So that's what you said earlier. If the execution withdraws, it will win and it will be too obvious that it will come back in the atmosphere of winning, so I think there will be a request for a re-election, but nevertheless, I don't want the second message to come out, first of all. The president's position is still the president, and the president is not just the president of anyone, but everyone's president. Those who oppose them have no choice but to be their president, but the message that day was not to the people, but to certain citizens gathered in front of them and in front of their official residence.
Then, there is a question of whether it is appropriate for the entire nation to defend itself as an act that seems like a political act even though the president sends a message only to certain citizens. I think that last message was enough. So I feel like I keep throwing up today because of what you said, but this is what I think. You'll think this is a win, but what do you think of the other side? The president really opposes the execution of public affairs like that until the end. It can become a public opinion like this. That public opinion may actually work considerably when the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit enters again. Just because they can't execute or withdraw, citizens other than supportive citizens gathered in front of them lost the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, there's nothing they want from the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, do you think this? That's not true. It's not that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is the problem, but the perception that the president didn't come out even though he did that can spread enough. That's why I don't look at it like this just because I'm withdrawing from here now, I'm losing and winning.
[Applicant owner]
What's important is that the character of Yoon Suk Yeol's president doesn't care about public opinion. If you cared, would you have gone to that point? All you care about is the people who wave the Korean national flag and the American flag in front of you on live YouTube. They are enjoying extreme right-wing YouTubers who side with them and talk about themselves as governing acts, and they only care about the public opinion. It's not normal. But our critic Lee Jong-geun is talking normally right now. A normal president cares about public opinion. If that happens, there will be no wins and no losers, but we are now cutting the country and dividing the winners and losers. The act of civil war is an act of governance and a decision of the old country. Save me because I can do 2nd and 3rd more. If you keep me alive, I will return to the presidency and wipe out all these anti-state forces that try to drive me out through martial law twice and three times. It's this kind of message right now, if you say it roughly. But in these areas, the public authority kneels down? This is the collapse of the Constitution and laws of the Republic of Korea to the forces of civil war.
[Anchor]
How does the ruling party look at it?
[Applicant owner]
I heard that the ruling party is also doing a lot of strange things today, but floor leader Kwon Sung-dong also said, "This is too much execution, how can it be?" Lawyers are selling off all the pride and knowledge of the law. Even though Rep. Yoon Sang-hyun has not been confirmed, he is running to his official residence and hearing that he will stop the president's arrest, so I think the ruling party has certainly agreed to the civil war.
[Anchor]
But if the execution of the arrest warrant fails today and public opinion changes after that, wouldn't the ruling party also move to change?
[Applicant owner]
If I had thought so, I would have moved already. However, within the ruling party, it is said to draw a line, but the constitution does not fundamentally change. For example, close friends of former representative Han Dong-hoon, who voted for impeachment, are almost unable to breathe, and pro-Yoon groups, including floor leader Kwon Sung-dong, who opposed impeachment, are all in control of the emergency committee. Look at what he's saying. The warrant is inappropriate because several articles of the Constitution are already wrong, and why is it the Western District Court? Isn't the Western District Court a court? That's why the court makes a judgment, and that's because the president of Yoon Suk Yeol will investigate in the future, and because of these legal deficiencies, I can't admit to this illegal evidence, and if you apply to the court, the court will take that into account. But I'm frustrated that I'm not even talking about such nonsense when I'm not even being investigated by the police and the prosecution.
[Anchor]
I see. Let's stop here. So far, I have been with Lee Jong-geun, a current affairs critic, and Seo Yong-ju, head of the Political and Social Research Institute. Thank you.
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[Anchor]
Let's listen to various opinions, including the field situation, with Lee Jong-geun, a current affairs critic, and Seo Yong-ju, head of the Political and Social Research Institute. Did you pass the scene of that place?
[Lee Jong-geun]
That's right. I saw him. He looked very tense. Isn't there a white door in the scene I saw? It is blocked by a minibus in front of it, and as shown in the press report now, the cordon is spread over the first and second rounds. I saw it myself.
[Anchor]
You saw this scene, right?
[Lee Jong-geun]
[Voiceover] That's right. The iron gates and then the minibuses are in the way, and you can't see the troops in this scene in front of it, but in the scene I saw, there were dozens of troops in front of it. So to get over that bus, I passed it in a confrontation situation, and I kept watching YTN, but isn't there a way over there as it collapsed? To the left of the street, there is another secondary cordon for the minibus. It was also a scene where it collapsed and jumped in urgently. From here, if you go to the left and go up to the right, you will find the official residence. But I don't think I've entered the official residence yet.
[Anchor]
The first cordon you mentioned is the white iron gate over there. It's been more than two hours since that one opened. At around 8:02 a.m., the white iron door was opened without any special dispatch, but the situation seems to be difficult after that.
[Applicant owner]
What we think of as entering the official residence is not the official residence entrance, but the official residence entrance. If you go in there, you'll find the presidential mission of the National Assembly, and you'll find the foreign ministerial mission, the Joint Chiefs of Staff's mission, and the defense minister's mission. And after going through it, you go inside the official residence. Therefore, the parts where the door to the official residence was first opened may be meaningful, but you have to pass the second gate to get to the official residence, and as we have repeatedly heard breaking news, there was a little physical fight within the second gate. That's where the security guard blocked the road from the official residence to the official residence. So, since it went into the end of the scuffle, the security forces blocked the section entering the official residence from the second round and even went to a physical fight. So I think it's right to say that we haven't reached the front of the official residence yet.
[Anchor]
According to the new news from the scene, the news that the Dong-A Ilbo has presented a new arrest warrant to the security chief and is asking for cooperation has come in as a breaking news. Since then, the head of the security has said that he has refused to search for the security area under the Security Act. Then, wasn't it in this position that the security service would perform security in accordance with legal procedures in the transaction and in accordance with legal procedures? In the end, does the physical fight have no choice but to continue?
[Lee Jong-geun]
That's right. At first, I thought that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit might have built a justification for the confrontation. So, first of all, arresting the president directly was not actually in Korea's constitutional history, and isn't it a rare case in foreign countries? Then, there are citizens outside who oppose arrest, so I thought that I would stand back from confronting them today, and I came this far.I thought Ma wasn't. Because the first one was notified by the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit.
I'm leaving at 6 o'clock. Since yesterday, such rumors have been circulating, and the community has turned around and seen a community of anti-impeachment citizens and anti-impeachment citizens gathering, so we're going to surprise them at 6 a.m. tomorrow morning.There was a story like this beforehand. However, given that he clearly departed from the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit at 6 o'clock today, it seems that he has given up such things as the smuggling of the investigation. Because we go surprise and arrest them unexpectedly, give up this scenario and announce what time we're going to go, and it's a regular law. If you look at it again, isn't the first cordon and the second cordon being breached in four hours? Looking at this, I think the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit thinks that we have a justification anyway and that we will see the decision until the end of the day.
[Anchor]
And there's a third cordon left after breaking through the second cordon, and inside the official residence, there's news that you've been confronted by military units. But it's presumed to be water radiation. Did you even mobilize a bodyguard and a bodyguard?
[Applicant owner]
Originally, the radiation side was called the 55th Guard Corps, so they were stationed there to guard the outside. Looking at it now, I think I went to the front gate of my official residence. I think the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit closed the door in front of the main gate and announced the execution of the warrant to the head of the security service. If it doesn't work after a few times, there is a high possibility that it will be enforced. In the case of the 55th Guard Corps, the mission is to guard the outside of the residence, not me.
[Anchor]
However, according to the news that came in, the presidential security service came in as a breaking news that it was not a military confrontation. Therefore, it seems necessary to check whether it is a water radiation manpower. In the beginning, as you can see, vehicles that appear to be military vehicles on the right screen were also blocking the access road next to the minibus, so they were confronting military personnel.
[Applicant owner]
I think I'm talking about it, not the military who spent the military confrontation in the military chorus. The military was not deployed separately, but there was originally a military guard around the presidential office. It's called a security unit. The water radiation part mainly plays this role, and in that part, it's a little bit. If you face each other, it's a confrontation, a physical fight. So those are the parts. That vehicle, which looks like an armored vehicle, turns out to be a search vehicle. It's not an armoured vehicle, but an armoured search vehicle that goes around and searches the residence. So I don't think this part went around to confront the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. Now that the official residence has announced the execution of an arrest warrant to the head of the security service, no matter how illegal the head of the security service claims, there is no law beyond the Constitution. The Security Service Act itself means protecting the president in criminal fluoridation, not protecting the president who committed the crime of civil rebellion, which is a criminal prosecution stipulated in the Constitution. Therefore, no matter how long the security chief can say that because of his relationship with the president, he will not be able to reject constitutional warrants, so even if it takes some time, the main gate of the official residence will have to be opened.
[Anchor]
As we told you earlier as a breaking news, the security chief was in a position that in a way, the search under the security law was not allowed. Didn't you send a warning before entering the draft and offset all the grounds that could be legally prevented under the Criminal Law? But I'm holding a security law again.
[Lee Jong-geun]
That's right. I think the security office is arguing that this is not legal on the grounds that President Yoon's lawyers have argued so far. Of course, while talking about the security law. As the anchor said, Articles 110 and 111 of the Criminal Procedure Act are the most problematic as the warrant is issued. So, all the search and seizure warrants were canceled before that. Although a warrant was issued, under Articles 110 and 111 of the Criminal Procedure Act, the search and seizure cannot be carried out unless the person in charge permits the search and seizure of such objects and places that contain military secrets or official secrets.
I don't know if it's because of those two clauses in the Criminal Code, but the Western District Court pointed out these two clauses as exceptions in the warrant. As I said now, I think it was decided that legal support would be provided only when the provision was invalidated, conscious of the failure of the search warrant before that. In my opinion. There's something I'm a little disappointed about. First of all, the fact that a warrant is issued means arresting whatever space that space is, and although it is a partial opinion in the legal profession by pointing it out, this is an abuse of justice. It's an abuse of jurisdiction. Because the law is specific and we shouldn't make exceptions for someone or make laws for someone. The universality of the law. It is only sustainable if there is such a universality of the law that applies to everyone. If there is a precedent, it becomes the basis for the judge to arbitrarily abuse this exception saying that there is no exception. So I wonder why they give me an excuse for what I'm very disappointed in.
[Anchor]
And there are cases where key figures appointed by former Minister Kim Yong-hyun when he was the head of the security service still remain in the security service, so it would be difficult to change the previously discussed policy prematurely.
[Applicant owner]
Right. The bodyguard is holding out by putting forward the bodyguard law. It's just that the president's legal system isn't that sloppy. So what is enforced in warrantism is based on the Constitution. Because the Security Service Act is a very sub-concept of the president's security, what they can do is to specify the scope of security and to protect the president in terms of harm to the president, and no security law has the power to block court warrants. That's why I think we're having a lot of discussions. Even law enforcement can urgently arrest the chief of security as a current offender for obstructing the execution of public affairs, in the warrant. But I think the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is talking so that it doesn't go that far. Nevertheless, if we continue to confront each other, we can't help it. Shouldn't the same apply to anyone? What happens if ordinary people deal with the police's official duties at all? It is the law enforcement of the majority of the people who handcuff them right on the spot and take them as current offenders. The chief of security is no exception to that.
[Anchor]
Do you think the security will discuss it?
[Applicant owner]
I think the consultation will take a long time. Since the security chief is not alone in a situation where he can endure, as far as I know, the security guard seems to be somewhat resistant and physically blocking the main gate of the official residence, but the security guards are not the Yoon Suk Yeol's security guards. Because it is the president's bodyguard, the security guard is a state official for the president, who is currently accused of civil war and is a suspect in the lead of civil war. You can't throw away all the civil service positions, can you? So in that area, you'll have no choice but to comply with the law and the procedures that are set, that's what it looks like.
[Anchor]
What you can see right now is by the main gate of the official residence. A large number of people are entering there, but it has been confirmed that police personnel are entering because there was a jumper marked "police" earlier. However, it has not been confirmed that the personnel entering now are police personnel, personnel from the headquarters, or personnel from the security service. Since it's plain clothes, I don't know if it's a police officer. I think it's more likely to be a police officer or a security guard. If the security service also cooperates, didn't President Yoon file an objection with the Seoul Western District Court that the warrant is illegal? If the president holds out until the end, isn't it too much to enforce as long as he maintains his current presidency?
[Lee Jong-geun]
If it is enforced, the voices of those who oppose the impeachment of the president, including those who are guarding it, will inevitably increase, which will inevitably lead to a huge social conflict cost. The persuasion that the chairman kept talking about earlier is a very important part. Just because the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is legitimate, it is unreasonably prevented, but beyond that, all of them are arrested for obstructing the execution of public affairs, and even the president is forced to secure recruits.
Then it's legal. However, due to the legitimate process, the index of conflict is bound to increase. Then, I think we need a process that allows anyone to nod their heads, whether they are supporters of the president, opponents of the president, or just wait-and-see. It is necessary for the process to be executed smoothly without any mishaps. So I think the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is trying to persuade them for 4 or 5 hours. I don't think the collision is that big.
The first cordon and the second cordon took time, of course, but I didn't feel like I was going to lock this up when we kept watching. If you look at the situation in the security service. Of course, the distance is long, so I don't know if I think I'll make the last stop in front of the official residence. Nevertheless, the barricade is zigzag in front of the iron gate.
Because this is the place where the gunfight took place during the December 12 incident, such as the diplomatic mission. That's why security has been much stronger since then, but if all the zigzag barricades have been removed, and the iron gates have been removed to the second cordon, it's actually not easy to stop the official residence. So, I kind of agree with the chairman's opinion that the security guard's blocking is stubborn and completely really locked down, which means that I feel less.
[Anchor]
It's been about 2 hours and 20 minutes since we broke through the white iron gate at 8:02. So if you arrest the president of Yoon Suk Yeol, if you get a recruit, what's the process after that?
[Applicant owner]
First, let's move to Gwacheon, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. And then we'll do the research. There are about 200 pages of various investigation documents, and it is highly likely that an overnight survey will be conducted through questions and responses. And if the investigation is conducted, it is considered to be a Seoul detention center. From there, President Yoon Suk Yeol will be waiting to request an arrest warrant and be examined for it within 48 hours. Above all, I watch the confrontation between the police and the security service as if it were a sad movie, and I don't think we can just overlook the president's behavior here. From what perspective will the president be looking at these situations? You're watching this live on YouTube, right?
How well are you blocking people who come to catch me? But his job has been suspended, but he's not a person who's been suspended. That's why they call it the president of Yoon Suk Yeol. Isn't the president almost sitting on the sidelines watching this situation in Korea like this? The public and foreign media are clearly watching whether it is qualified or whether it is the act of a president with dignity. It's so miserable. I'm like this. At this point, the president is supposed to be like this barricade, physical fight, and if the people are cold outside, he or she will come out and make a public statement, announce his position, and go to Gwacheon. Wouldn't this be Korea where we have common sense?
But the president, who said he would protect the rule of law and the Constitution of the Republic of Korea, is really... sitting at his residence like a pseudo-religious and asking me to protect him. It's disastrous. Even the foreign media continues to talk about the situation. I can hear how much national dignity is falling. I feel sorry. [Anchor] At 2 p.m. today, on the one hand, the Constitutional Court is also preparing for the second hearing on the impeachment trial of the president. three failure to comply with attendance requests And it takes a little more time to execute the arrest warrant today. I also think that these things will not be too much for future defense, what do you think?
[Lee Jong-geun]
If the president gives an excuse that he refuses to comply with a legitimate arrest warrant today, he will be at a considerable disadvantage in future prosecutions and trials. In the first place, the arrest warrant will be at a disadvantage. I don't think an arrest warrant will be issued. This is because, despite the fact that the reason was clearly explained when Lee Jae-myung's arrest warrant was rejected last time, Judge Yoo Chang-hoon asked if the opposition leader was feared to flee at the time.
Then, the arrest warrant means that he will arrest a person for a while for investigation because he has refused three times, but the arrest warrant should give him various opportunities to defend himself in the future trial process. As you said, only his duties have been suspended, but his position is the president, right? The president is running away? The opposition leader also rejected the idea that there was no fear of running away, but the logic would be that the president would run away and destroy evidence. But maybe the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit will do this. The process of refusing to comply with the arrest warrant three times will probably appeal to the judge. This process itself will not be advantageous in terms of prosecution or requesting an arrest warrant.
[Anchor]
Then, do you think there is a high possibility that the court will not arrest you?
[Lee Jong-geun]
Isn't an arrest warrant the most important thing about destroying evidence and running away? The fear of destroying evidence and fleeing does not judge that the incumbent president is feared to destroy evidence and flee. There were a lot of cases.
[Anchor]
Director Seo Yong-joo, how do you think the court will judge whether or not Yoon Suk Yeol will be arrested?
[Applicant owner]
It's 100% restrained. Because of the seriousness of the crime, of course, there is no reason to argue about this. Escape and destruction of evidence are in themselves escape now. The warrant is stuck in the official residence. What is escape? It is said that there is no fear of escape when the investigative agency calls and comes and can go whenever it is free, but it is difficult for the investigative agency to execute the president of Yoon Suk Yeol. I'm still looking at it with my eyes. The court will take this seriously as a flight concern. And then there's so much evidence destruction coming out. Starting with the power of the people, strong supporters, including Pastor Jeon Kwang-hoon, and far-right forces around them say it is not a crime of rebellion. This is an act of governance. It's not a destruction of evidence, what is it?
In this regard, basically, the court is in principle to investigate the crime of rebellion. Next, I'm the head of the group. Even the punishment for rebellion is the highest punishment under the criminal law. Death penalty, life imprisonment, and life imprisonment. Since this is based on a strong legal system that requires quarantine in Korea, there is no room for arrest investigation as a principle.
[Lee Jong-geun]
I basically admit that the charge of rebellion is serious. I agree, but I want you to clearly narrow the scope of the logic you mentioned to me legally, and I'm talking about the destruction of evidence by the suspect who is the president. At a time when the suspect has to decide whether to destroy evidence or flee, for example, some lawmakers of the People's Power went to the assembly shown now, Rep. Yoon Sang-hyun or former Rep. Kim Min. What does it have to do with destroying evidence to say that this is not a crime of rebellion? I don't agree with the Democratic Party's position to accuse those who claim that the crime of rebellion cannot be established as propaganda and instigation.
I'm basically against martial law and I'm saying it on the premise that the country of Korea should express its thoughts anyway and say why this is a crime of rebellion or not in the field of public opinion. Didn't the Democratic Party say that the act of trying to infringe on individual freedom of thought by making a distinction of propaganda that all those who say it is not a crime of rebellion because it is unconditionally a crime of rebellion? That's the point of conscience.
I won't give up my beliefs and do nothing under any circumstances. even if you disagree with his ideas You're against it, Democrats, because they're the ones who want to build socialism in our country. However, I don't understand that those who insisted on protecting those who kept their conscience, even if they objected, would file a complaint that it was not a crime of rebellion. And some ultra-right YouTubers keep saying that they are far-right YouTubers or far-rights, but far-rights are people who try to carry out their beliefs as extremism or extreme riots or violence. I don't entirely agree with them, but nevertheless, I think it's quite inappropriate to frame this completely and frame it as a bad person and a minority person and to look at the current situation really objectively.
[Applicant owner]
I think it's an idle thought. So freedom of expression can be argued with some political opposition. However, the crime of rebellion is an attempt to kill a legal personality based on the constitution of the Republic of Korea. So it's a huge sin for an individual to kill an individual. It's a crime of rebellion to impose heavier criminal penalties than that. So, breaking the separation of powers constituted in the Republic of Korea, disrupting the order of the Constitution, breaking it, killing the legal person of the country called the Republic of Korea. That's why the law firmly excludes the crime of rebellion and foreign exchange against the president from the privilege of prosecuting the criminal law. It's that important, but it's just freedom of expression in this area. It's not a crime of rebellion yet, it's an act of governance, what's wrong? We did a good job. What's wrong with mobilizing the military and police to detain the lawmakers and shoot them down? It's cool and nice. You have to do that to get rid of the silence. If we leave a precedent that it is a crime to do the 2nd and 3rd emergency martial law, can the legal system of the Republic of Korea exist?
So when we get released, will the president, and then the president, do some emergency martial arts against political actors he doesn't like? So, in this regard, the constitution of the state stipulates that it should be condemned firmly. In this regard, I don't have a statute of limitations on the crime of propaganda in civil war. Even after 10 years, if you sympathize with this civil war or give incorrect information, you can be punished. And you're afraid of running away? Let's see that they're going to release it. I went to the airlift for 48 hours without arrest. Send it home. They want me to come out of my official residence again, but I can't. Do I have to repeat this again? This is the fear of escaping. But how can you release it without restraining it? This is a part that is not bound by common sense and social standards of the law. In particular, things up to the free part of expression can be a little idle.
[Anchor]
The screen on the right is the interior of the official residence. It's what it was a while ago. The security service staff are also very busy, and aren't about 120 employees of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, including police personnel? The president must be watching this situation through any channel, so what is the president's idea? Do you see it as an idea not to disobey the law?
[Lee Jong-geun]
Basically, I think this is what the president's attitude and what he thinks in the letter. It's called defense. Anyway, if the president is a suspect and he is a suspect, he has to defend himself, but the two things overlap. One is scheduled for a hearing in the Constitutional Court related to the dismissal of the president, and the other is the investigation and prosecution or trial process related to the crime of rebellion. If so, he will be arrested now and will be examined by the Constitutional Court as a prisoner. Wouldn't this have no choice but to affect the Constitutional Court's hearing? Then, I think the reason why the lawyer said let's start with the Constitutional Court hearing is that I can only receive the Constitutional Court hearing fairly by first fighting for the position related to the dismissal. Because of that, he continues to argue that he will first receive a constitutional hearing. Personally, I definitely want the president to be a little confident in agreeing with what you said. It's not that my position has been lifted. He is still the president, and if we call him the president, the president is a person who has even sworn to defend the Constitution. If so, the warrant is
Some of me think that there is definitely something that is not legal.
Nevertheless, he is basically not confident and confident about the president's refusal to respond to law enforcement actions by public institutions that came to execute warrants. As you said, I feel sorry that I should have accepted it if I said I would do it confidently. But what I think about the chairman's words is that there is also a movie called 1987 but what did the military regime do at the time? Didn't you say that spies should be beaten unconditionally and make people suspected of pro-North Korea torture without procedural justification or procedural process, and as a result, this person was called a spy and tried as a spy? As I said before, the entire process of arresting, trialing and hearing a new president at the Constitutional Court should be a process that everyone can still nod their heads.
Because otherwise, this conflict will continue after that and social conflict costs will inevitably arise. But there are definitely parts that are insufficient in three points. a part that had no investigative power In fact, Kook Soo-bon requested a warrant and asked the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. Even though there is a legitimate process, there is a part where I pushed for it saying that this is legal because there is a collaborative version. Second, the Central District Court and the Western District Court are also very disappointing. If the chairman is also claiming that it is a crime of rebellion, the jurisdiction of the first trial, which is stipulated in the Public Offices Act, will go beyond the part that the jurisdiction of the Central District Court is originally Yongsan, so the Western District Court will do it. This part also looks like a trick to get a warrant. Lastly, Articles 110 and 111 were done by judges. We should not ignore procedural processes on the grounds that we are free, in a hurry, and need to do these things quickly.
[Anchor]
On the left, we're showing you the front door of the presidential residence at this time through the screen. On the right, we're showing you entering the official residence a little while ago. Today, I think the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit will be able to divide the two cases of whether or not President Yoon Suk Yeol is secured. If we get the recruits, we'll start investigating right away today, at the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. Lee Dae-hwan and Cha Jung-hyun, the senior prosecutor, will ask questions. It was initially known that the questionnaire was about 100 pages, but it is now reinforced to about 200 pages. Now, the president of Yoon Suk Yeol denies the allegations themselves, so what can be asked to reveal the relevant matters?
[Applicant owner]
First of all, the evidence of this illegal martial law is full. Testimony of generals who were engaged in important duties under the head of the current civil war. Even the head of the Korean National Police Agency, the head of the Seoul Metropolitan Government, and many others are testifying. situations at the time It recently came out that I talked to three people on the phone. There is also a defense commander, a special force commander, an counterintelligence commander, and the National Police Agency. I'll check on that. So, in the first place, President Yoon Suk Yeol is completely denying the allegations of his head of the civil war. The arrest body was not taken out. Then, he wrote a decree, but he lifted the curfew. I never asked a member of Congress to restrict access. So if you look at it now, you're telling lies that will be revealed soon, but the prosecution will probably hear all the lies and point them out. That's the reason for the arrest. You deny the allegations.
So I'm going to write it down after receiving it. Even if you don't have to confess that you did it from the mouth of President Yoon Suk Yeol, there is already a lot of evidence, circumstances, and statements. So first of all, the confirmation process for the parts of page 200, and then the President of Yoon Suk Yeol and his lawyers will reject and deny it. However, if a warrant is requested anyway, the investigation is expected to continue with the confirmation process in prison at the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit after imprisonment.
[Anchor]
But when the execution begins again, so doesn't the timer of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit turn from the start of the execution? We have to request an arrest warrant within 48 hours. If President Yoon continues to refuse to make a statement, wouldn't he go back to nothing on this part?
[Lee Jong-geun]
I don't think so. Because President Yoon is guilty of rebellion. So the highest suspicion of civil war is the group. So, it's not an individual charge, there should be an organization in its execution, and it's a crime of that organization. At that time, two important mission workers underneath that, namely, the rebellion, the main mission worker, and the simple rebellion have already been arrested. Roh Sang-won and Kim Yong-hyun. However, Kim Yong-hyun is also using his right to remain silent, but if the three commanders under his direction, the counterintelligence commander, the defense commander, or the commanders, testify in detail and consistently, the charges of the two, who say they are major mission workers, are now timely, issued arrest warrants and charged, one of them. Isn't this the prosecution process?
If that's the case, then being prosecuted has become a vindication, and the charges against these two have been cleared, think about it. These two are not the commander-in-chief right now. Doesn't the Secretary of Defense have the right to command the military? Martial law can only be proposed by the defense minister, not declared or declared. Then, of course, an arrest warrant was issued for these two people, the important mission workers we talked about earlier. He's been charged. If the court judges that such a process has become a vocation, of course, even without the president's approval, I think it will be easy to prosecute with these consistent testimonies and evidence.
[Anchor]
The Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit said that if the investigation is conducted today, it will also review video recording, but the president of Yoon Suk Yeol must agree. Do you want me to agree?
[Applicant owner]
There's a good chance you won't agree. I don't have to do it through video recording. If you look at it now, it's almost like I'm lying down. The president of Yoon Suk Yeol is. I'm not like this, even if you catch me to the end... This is the level of a conviction right now. But I don't think I'll do that because I don't think there will be any reason to leave various evidence of myself through video recording. This is beyond discussion, but economic indicators are recovering even while the government is executing a presidential arrest warrant. This is a tragedy for me. Why are the economic indicators recovering when the president is arrested so much? So in that regard, I hope that the president will find the dignity of the president at the end and walk out a little bit to the Gwacheon Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit.
[Anchor]
The Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is announcing a briefing on the president's arrest this afternoon. Are you going to proceed until the afternoon and prepare for the 2nd and 3rd rounds? Or should I watch it as a mid-term briefing?
[Lee Jong-geun]
I don't know. If I say I'm going to do a briefing in the afternoon, I'm still building up a cause that I can't think of from the beginning to yesterday. In other words, it shouldn't even be a physical fight at the end. However, if you look at the security service's blocking right now, even if the first and second rounds were breached, it's already been more than an hour since I arrived here. I've already reached the front of my official residence an hour ago. However, the fact that they have been confronting each other for an hour without any news does not mean that the security service's lockdown and the last cordon have a very strong confrontation. However, if you make up your mind and decide to penetrate this, you can't rule out the possibility of a de facto armed conflict with about 80 personnel.
If so, as I kept saying earlier, public opinion is important for the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit as we continue to persuade without such conflicts. It's not here even though we did it today, rather than unconditionally executing and opposing impeachment, that is, raising the resentment of citizens who oppose impeachment. And there are still six days left after withdrawing again. Since it is until Monday, there is a possibility that he will do it again on the back of public opinion by appealing to the people once again. That's why today's briefing is likely to be such a briefing that appeals to public opinion that they tried this way but did not respond for this reason.
[Anchor]
What do you think?
[Applicant owner]
I'm sure the people are nervous in many ways right now. What's going to happen? I'm looking at the breaking news in detail through YTN, but I think I'll probably do an interim briefing at that level because it can increase people's anxiety about what the current situation is like and whether there is a conflict. Basically, I don't think the confrontation will be prolonged. Although negotiations with the security agency are currently taking place inside, wouldn't the president have no choice but to put himself down and come out at this point? I think so. For example, it's embarrassing to see the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigators forcibly overpower the president and drag him out. So I think those parts will be resolved. I think I want to explain those parts during the mid-term briefing.
[Anchor]
Critic Lee Jong-geun said earlier that if the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit fails today, it could be a way to appeal to public opinion and try again. If the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit appeals to public opinion, I heard that there is a conflict within the security service. Could the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit change its position?
[Applicant owner]
does not change.
[Anchor]
Will it not change according to public opinion?
[Applicant owner]
So the execution of public power is not done by public opinion. The law is a legal process based on the law, and if it is broken here today, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit will no longer have the basis for arresting.
[Anchor]
Will the president change then?
[Applicant owner]
There's no chance the president will change. The reason is that if we beat today and the co-operation version turns, we won. Then it becomes more difficult to enforce public power after that. Then they say they won and more asphalt rightists with the Korean flag will gather in front of them. And the president said that his resistance itself worked, so it's like the head of a rebellion beating the Constitution of the Republic of Korea. You shall not do so. That's why it has to be executed today.
[Anchor]
Then, if the arrest fails today, there are many predictions that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit will try again after that. What choice do you think the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit will make?
[Applicant owner]
I understand that I went into execution with the intention of ending it within today, and I understand that even the police commando has requested cooperation. Then, when the police commando enters, it becomes a situation where they have no choice but to pull it out by physical force.
[Anchor]
If it were to fail, wouldn't President Yoon's side send a letter to his supporters, strengthening the gathering of supporters? Do you think there is a possibility that you will issue a second message?
[Lee Jong-geun]
Well, I think it depends on how you execute it today. So that's what you said earlier. If the execution withdraws, it will win and it will be too obvious that it will come back in the atmosphere of winning, so I think there will be a request for a re-election, but nevertheless, I don't want the second message to come out, first of all. The president's position is still the president, and the president is not just the president of anyone, but everyone's president. Those who oppose them have no choice but to be their president, but the message that day was not to the people, but to certain citizens gathered in front of them and in front of their official residence.
Then, there is a question of whether it is appropriate for the entire nation to defend itself as an act that seems like a political act even though the president sends a message only to certain citizens. I think that last message was enough. So I feel like I keep throwing up today because of what you said, but this is what I think. You'll think this is a win, but what do you think of the other side? The president really opposes the execution of public affairs like that until the end. It can become a public opinion like this. That public opinion may actually work considerably when the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit enters again. Just because they can't execute or withdraw, citizens other than supportive citizens gathered in front of them lost the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, there's nothing they want from the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, do you think this? That's not true. It's not that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is the problem, but the perception that the president didn't come out even though he did that can spread enough. That's why I don't look at it like this just because I'm withdrawing from here now, I'm losing and winning.
[Applicant owner]
What's important is that the character of Yoon Suk Yeol's president doesn't care about public opinion. If you cared, would you have gone to that point? All you care about is the people who wave the Korean national flag and the American flag in front of you on live YouTube. They are enjoying extreme right-wing YouTubers who side with them and talk about themselves as governing acts, and they only care about the public opinion. It's not normal. But our critic Lee Jong-geun is talking normally right now. A normal president cares about public opinion. If that happens, there will be no wins and no losers, but we are now cutting the country and dividing the winners and losers. The act of civil war is an act of governance and a decision of the old country. Save me because I can do 2nd and 3rd more. If you keep me alive, I will return to the presidency and wipe out all these anti-state forces that try to drive me out through martial law twice and three times. It's this kind of message right now, if you say it roughly. But in these areas, the public authority kneels down? This is the collapse of the Constitution and laws of the Republic of Korea to the forces of civil war.
[Anchor]
How does the ruling party look at it?
[Applicant owner]
I heard that the ruling party is also doing a lot of strange things today, but floor leader Kwon Sung-dong also said, "This is too much execution, how can it be?" Lawyers are selling off all the pride and knowledge of the law. Even though Rep. Yoon Sang-hyun has not been confirmed, he is running to his official residence and hearing that he will stop the president's arrest, so I think the ruling party has certainly agreed to the civil war.
[Anchor]
But if the execution of the arrest warrant fails today and public opinion changes after that, wouldn't the ruling party also move to change?
[Applicant owner]
If I had thought so, I would have moved already. However, within the ruling party, it is said to draw a line, but the constitution does not fundamentally change. For example, close friends of former representative Han Dong-hoon, who voted for impeachment, are almost unable to breathe, and pro-Yoon groups, including floor leader Kwon Sung-dong, who opposed impeachment, are all in control of the emergency committee. Look at what he's saying. The warrant is inappropriate because several articles of the Constitution are already wrong, and why is it the Western District Court? Isn't the Western District Court a court? That's why the court makes a judgment, and that's because the president of Yoon Suk Yeol will investigate in the future, and because of these legal deficiencies, I can't admit to this illegal evidence, and if you apply to the court, the court will take that into account. But I'm frustrated that I'm not even talking about such nonsense when I'm not even being investigated by the police and the prosecution.
[Anchor]
I see. Let's stop here. So far, I have been with Lee Jong-geun, a current affairs critic, and Seo Yong-ju, head of the Political and Social Research Institute. Thank you.
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