[Politics ON] "Double Special Prosecution Law" will be re-voted...Yoon's side said, "Prosecute or request an arrest warrant."

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■ Starring: Kim Jae-won, former member of the People's Power Supreme Council, Shin Hyun-young, former member of the Democratic Party of Korea

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[Anchor]
Let's start <Politics On> looking at the outside and inside of politics. There was a recount of the so-called twin special prosecutors today. And as the execution of a second arrest warrant for the president is imminent, the atmosphere of tension is higher than ever in the National Assembly. Let's analyze it from various angles with Kim Jae-won, former member of the Supreme Council of the People's Power, and Shin Hyun-young, former member of the Democratic Party. Welcome, two of you. I just broke the news a while ago, but the twin special prosecution law was finally rejected and finally abolished, is this the expected result?

[Kim Jaewon]
Of course, this is the expected result. The bill was submitted to the National Assembly last time, and it was re-voted now rather than voted on, resulting in the unity of the power of the Korean people. The number of leave votes decreased, and the problem of this bill was rather highlighted. In particular, more and more lawmakers have become a little problematic about the situation after going through the impeachment process and the arrest of President Yoon Suk Yeol. As a result, it seems that the number of departure votes has decreased.

[Anchor]
Is this what you expected, Senator Shin?

[Hyunyoung Shin]
Today, there was a briefing that the People's Power is still holding the rejection as a party's theory, and when I actually did, I wondered how much the young and the new faction would vote for the special prosecutor, but the last time it was passed, there were 195 votes for the Special Prosecutor Act on Insurrection. However, although it was actually rejected by 198 votes in today's vote, unfortunately, the independent counsel law against insurrection has not now been passed due to a lack of two votes. However, since President Yoon Suk Yeol is protecting many of the forces investigating this rebellion compared to the last time, and the people of the Republic of Korea are demanding that the independent counsel law be resolved quickly, I think 198 votes came out today.

Also, haven't problems been revealed recently about Kim Gun-hee's master's thesis at Sookdae? Therefore, Kim Gun-hee's independent counsel law was also rejected this time, but the public's demands are still alive, so if it is reissued, I think we will have no choice but to do it someday.

[Anchor]
In the case of the Special Prosecutor Kim Act, this is the fourth time that the re-vote process has been carried out, and if you look at the size of the departure vote earlier, it was 1, 4, and 6 votes. I think there were four votes today. How do you figure out the size of the departure ticket?

[Hyunyoung Shin]
In fact, there is a national need that resolving the crime of rebellion is the top priority because current political and news issues in Korea are changing in real time, and there are various judgments that the issues of emergency martial law of President Yoon Suk Yeol, the problems of the government, and the various illegal parts of First Lady Kim Gun-hee after that, can only be carried out through the special prosecution. Some people think that First Lady Kim Gun-hee thought about the necessity of the Special Prosecutor Act later and made a little different judgment.

Since the people's opinion is that the government is so vulnerable that it really shakes the Republic of Korea this time, if the next new government comes out or the issue is not resolved continuously, I'm worried that Kim Gun-hee's issues will not die, but will continue to build up and build up, leading to a bigger special prosecutor and a scop.

[Anchor]
There are voices within the ruling party that a special prosecutor is needed, but in the case of the proposed special prosecutor law, the opposition party has the authority to recommend the special prosecutor, and in fact, there was criticism that there was such a toxic clause as to investigate the entire ruling party members. Then, I think this voice may become louder, saying, "Isn't it necessary to remove the toxin clause and draw up an amendment?"

[Kim Jaewon]
There was an actual talk of amendments. And in the case of the so-called Special Prosecutor for Insurrection Act, the investigative agencies are competing with each other to investigate each other for the crime of rebellion, and even the police are saying that they will launch a new special prosecutor to investigate the crime of rebellion at a time when there is a coercive story rather than a legal one, but the Democratic Party of Korea will actually appoint a special prosecutor.

Then, investigative agencies that are currently investigating hard, overinvestigating, and even suspected of conducting contract investigations are investigating, but that is not enough, so the Democratic Party of Korea will appoint a special prosecutor to investigate, and if the results of the investigation come out, they will submit them to the impeachment process to help their political interests. So, this rebellion special prosecutor should not be tolerated in the Special Prosecutor Act. And the special prosecution law related to Kim Gun-hee is similar.

Not only Kim Gun-hee, but also all sorts of things, even the party's nomination process, will be investigated under the name of the Myung Tae-kyun case. In this way, the Democratic Party of Korea said it would appoint a special prosecutor while trying to conduct an investigation into the nomination process of the people's power. So, instead of doing this, we should change the subject of the investigation to be realistic and investigate with doubts if the people want, but we should not investigate in this way. And appoint a special prosecutor to be neutral and fair.

There are voices calling for revising the Special Prosecutor Act and preparing alternatives to the Special Prosecutor Act in that way. The attitude that the Democratic Party of Korea is showing now is that they have no such thoughts and only the will to appoint a special prosecutor to produce the results of the investigation they want, so I don't think there will be much conversation between each other.

[Anchor]
They thought they would not talk to each other, but the Democratic Party of Korea said that if the bill is rejected this time, it will propose a stronger special prosecution bill by charging foreign exchange attraction. Will there be a revision bill or a stronger bill?

[Hyunyoung Shin]
First of all, the reoccurrence of the Democratic Party of Korea will take place, but I think the more new issues come out, the bigger it will be. So, after today's Supreme Council of the Democratic Party of Korea, when there was a reporter's question due to a spokesman's briefing, then the foreign exchange crime, or the NLL, this time the former commander Roh Sang-won's notebook, and the attack on North Korea, so stimulating. These kinds of wordings came out.

Obviously, the connection to the emergency martial law, which tried to provoke North Korea and cause local warfare, is being investigated, so it is necessary to understand the facts and the contents of Han Ki-ho's cell phone that leaked the message were actually delivered to the presidential office. There was a part that said, "If you cooperate with Ukraine, attack North Korean dispatchers to induce psychological warfare," and Han Ki-ho was later considered as a candidate for defense minister, right?

Obviously, there is a voice from the Democratic Party that President Yoon Suk Yeol's plan needs to be reviewed because there is room for North Korea's foreign exchange crimes to be included in this emergency martial law. However, even if it is reoccurred from the Democratic Party, I think the amendment is open to discussion because there are voices within the public that some independent counsel laws are needed.

[Anchor]
Can you give up the authority to recommend the special counsel to the ruling party?

[Hyunyoung Shin]
If you look at it now, the recommendation of the special prosecutor is made by the Minister of Court Administration, the Lawyers Association, and the Korean Law Professors Association. Nevertheless, an independent counsel is needed from the power of the people. So, if we ask for a more independent and fair third-party recommendation, I think we need to discuss in a way that the Democratic Party of Korea can communicate and the independent counsel can consult with the ruling and opposition parties. Such a door is always open. However, since the power of the people has been talked about many times as if they would propose a special prosecution law, but they have never proposed it properly, what is the special prosecution plan that the power of the people wants? First of all, they doubt the sincerity of the people's power in that they need to make a proposal and communicate.

[Anchor]
He said that if you have sincerity, you will not unconditionally come up with a stronger bill, but that the Democratic Party can also come up with an amendment. On the other hand, yesterday, the court reissued an arrest warrant for Yoon Suk Yeol's president. The Joint Investigation Headquarters is now preparing to execute the second warrant. Both the ruling and opposition parties are paying keen attention to whether to re-enforce the arrest warrant. We will continue our talks after hearing the voices of the ruling and opposition parties.

[Anchor]
The level of remarks between the ruling and opposition parties is increasing, and Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigators Oh Dong-woon, who attended the National Assembly yesterday, said he would prepare thoroughly with the determination that the second execution would be the last. I'm curious about what the execution of the second arrest warrant will look like, but some people say that they will cross the barrier with tactics.

[Kim Jaewon]
But the people we're talking about now, I don't think they've ever been arrested since Chief of Airborne Oh Dong-woon. So, he's not saying what the person who's seen the suspect arrest can say. In fact, I'm sorry to say this, but if you go to arrest people who are called miscellaneous criminals, you can't arrest them carelessly even if you lock the door in the apartment and resist them. Because there are problems like self-harming or jumping out of an apartment.

So it's an arrest operation to be very careful, but the presidential residence is actually a very small place. And there are limited people who can enter the place. But it's useless to talk about tactics, and the other thing is that the presidential security agency's role is the security act under the Presidential Security Act. And there are legal procedures there, and furthermore, some special law enforcement officers are assigned to the Presidential Security Service, so if they resist the security, they can be arrested again.

So, if both state agencies fight to carry out their work areas like this, there can be a big conflict, but it's wrong to talk about it without such content, and the second is that the investigative agency's arrest itself is to arrest and investigate. Arrest is not the only purpose. But this problem arises because we keep going on with things like "Bring them out now, what arrest them?" and I think it's a bigger problem that the president only steps in to arrest them because they don't attend and get investigated. So, if you want the president to appear and make an arrest, you can get a normal arrest warrant from the Seoul Central District Court, which is a judge prescribed by the Public Offices Act, or...

[Anchor]
I think what you said was the president's position a while ago.

[Kim Jaewon]
I came here last week and talked about it. So, if there is a party who raises illegal suspicions, not this, there will inevitably be resistance, and if there is resistance, the investigation may not proceed properly. So I think it's right to solve this problem in a number of ways that don't quickly raise legal controversy when the police or the Airborne are putting on excessive arrest shows.

[Anchor]
The Democratic Party of Korea claims that President Yoon should be arrested and dragged down quickly. Violent remarks are coming and going, and among the various scenarios, there is a saying that they will arrest the bodyguard on the spot. Do you think it's realistic?

[Hyunyoung Shin]
In fact, the police are now considering making on-site arrests for those above the head of the security service.

[Anchor]
I'll arrest the command first and paralyze the security system. That's what I'm talking about.

[Hyunyoung Shin]
I know that it has already been reported in the media, but the security chief and the deputy chief are not actually disagreeing even though a summons has already been requested, right? At all, President Yoon Suk Yeol has not responded to the first, second, and third summonses, and despite committing illegal acts, he is completely destroying and paralyzing the judicial system that is not properly investigated as a Korean citizen. Therefore, the Western District Court was able to issue arrest warrants twice, and I think responding to this is the power of the people and the political attitude shown to the right people of Yoon Suk Yeol.

At the same time, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit failed in the first round due to various lack of experience, but I think that this time, the arrest attempt will be made in collaboration with the police. In particular, even if a police commando is deployed or a helicopter or a tactic is carried out in various ways, in fact, they will have no choice but to try to enter the official residence even by arresting them at the scene. After failing in the first round now, now completely fortified, the second is getting more difficult, isn't it?

How will the people and the world evaluate the president of the Republic of Korea, who is really hiding inside his official residence, and on the other hand, there are concerns about a flight from his official residence. President Yoon Suk Yeol's hiding from the people is quite disappointing because it is a 180-degree different aspect from what he said he would not hide at the time of the candidate, and I think it is a proper way for the people to show themselves before the law as they have been mentally impeached.

[Kim Jaewon]
But I'm talking about helicopters now, but I don't think I'm a normal police officer, seeing as I'm talking about that. This is because the area of the presidential residence is an air control zone. Then automatically, for example, weapons can be used, and I don't know how to say that, and the SWAT is a terrorist unit. Since it is a counter-terrorism unit, it is the basis for establishment that cannot be put into these sites. But no matter how much I try to actively understand, this is not a terrorist incident, is it?

However, if a terrorist unit is mobilized, this is also an overinvestigation, and it is questionable whether the commandos have the judicial police power to execute the warrant. So the police will send a criminal mobile unit that is very specialized in arresting. I understand that. There are a lot of stories that are coming out now that people who have never experienced the arrest are talking about such absurd stories. And now, there seems to be a lot of talk about how the president escaped, but even that's called a tip-off, but the president's office says it's not.

[Anchor]
There is an interview prepared for that, so we will listen to it first. The Democratic Party claims that there are reports that President Yoon has already fled. In this regard, President Yoon's rebuttal came out. Following Ahn Kyu-baek, we will continue to listen to lawyer Yoon Gap-geun's voice and have a conversation. Regarding the so-called presidential flight rumors that he received a tip from the Democratic Party of Korea, the police also said they are continuing to figure out the location of it. In fact, protesters are camped out in front of them and media cameras continue to illuminate, but isn't it impossible to escape?

[Hyunyoung Shin]
I hope that's not the case. In fact, when the report came in and we said there was a possibility of emergency martial law, didn't anyone believe it? Nevertheless, the reality of Korea is that unimaginable things are happening every day, so it seems that it is difficult to give any report so simply. Perhaps if the second arrest warrant is attempted and the official residence is entered, the fact will be checked whether the president is inside or not. It is also true that we are still looking forward to the fact that we are still confident in the investigation in the hope that we will not become the president of the Republic of Korea, which shows such an escape.

[Anchor]
Lawyer Yoon Gap-geun refuted that it was not.

[Kim Jaewon]
However, if a report came in, you can check the report, but you don't even check it, you come out on the show and talk like this, and you don't even check it once, saying that the president, no one else, escaped. It's wrong to talk like this when you're not collectively insane people like that. Moreover, the person concerned is checking it. We met in person. Then you have to stay quiet after that, and then until then, I'll check until you arrest me later, is it normal to say that? Because I do this, the people continue to criticize and criticize the Democratic Party. Can't we just take care of everything normally from the standpoint of the Democratic Party?

[Anchor]
The ruling and opposition parties are responding intensely, and in this situation, the power of the people is raising the bar by claiming illegal internal communication between the Democratic Party of Korea and the National Investigation Headquarters, or the police. We will listen to the voice of floor leader Kwon Sung-dong.

[Anchor]
The People's Power is even mentioning the resignation of Woo Jong-soo, the head of the Democratic Party of Korea's investigation headquarters, not the national investigation headquarters. We prepared a graphic related to it, so it would be nice to show it to you. Representative Shin, Lee Sang-sik's SNS message seems inappropriate, right?

[Hyunyoung Shin]
I think you made a mistake. And I hope you can clarify it clearly. In fact, since the National Assembly is an administration, it should play an independent role in the current civil war as an independent institution from the legislature, but since he is a lawmaker from the police, it seems that he included messages that could be misunderstood on social media in the process of promoting various parliamentary activities.

[Anchor]
If you show us the Facebook graphic of Rep. Lee Sang-sik of the Democratic Party of Korea, we will look at it and talk about it. If you look at the Facebook content, it looks like this. I've been very busy. Our party and the National Investigation Headquarters were acting as messengers, so the phone caught fire and the meeting continued. We'll show you when we're ready. Then, the fact that it served as a messenger with the National Investigation Headquarters continued to communicate with the police, which is the claim of the power of the people.

[Hyunyoung Shin]
I don't think there's a need for such an expansive interpretation. In fact, even if the Democratic Party demands it, the national capital cannot move as it is. For now, the ruling party still thinks it's the power of the people, so the police have been rather careful with each other in such a situation and such misleading things, and I think that's an over-interpretation. However, since it is a part where lawmakers can request facts or data from the relevant standing committee and the relevant ministry while working as legislators, they can check the data or facts more closely in that respect.

I think it is inappropriate to do such things through one's own publicity during such a serious period of rebellion or emergency martial law, but I know that lawmaker Lee Sang-sik revised his Facebook message. Therefore, communication, messages, and these things should be very careful so that they are not misunderstood even more in severe times. I think so.

[Anchor]
We talked about the inappropriate remarks made by Lee Sang-sik, a former police officer of the Democratic Party, and Lee Chul-kyu, a former police officer of the People's Power, also had some inappropriate words and actions. It is said that he gave this advice to Director Woo Jong-soo to think about the future, but what meaning should this be considered?

[Kim Jaewon]
That means don't be unfair. Isn't that the story that if you do something legally illegal, you can be punished later?

[Anchor]
Director Woo Jong-soo said that it was difficult to hear.

[Kim Jaewon]
If you say that, it might be difficult to hear. Because the reason for the establishment of an organization called the National Investigation Headquarters now is that the police are not just investigating while adjusting the investigation rights, but there are many administrative police. Security, information, and security, for example, to suppress protests and maintain order, so the head of the National Investigation Headquarters is required to perform his duties strictly, neutral and independently so that he is not under the direction of the police chief. However, the various actions that the national script is showing are actually very damaging to neutrality.

I was very suspicious because he was showing me that he was investigating something biased. In particular, the power of the people was raising a lot of such issues. In the process, Rep. Lee Sang-sik, a former police officer, said that he served as a messenger between the party and the National Assembly, and that the phone caught fire, so he is suspected that he was investigating the contract through such a passage. Then, this situation is not a situation that can be overlooked like this, and Rep. Lee Sang-sik should continue to talk to who is in charge of the National Assembly and check if the phone is on fire. And isn't there a lot of investigative secrets in the process? An arrest warrant was issued right now, but when is the execution period? You're keeping all of this a secret, too.

This is the confidentiality of the investigation. Even if you let me know this for example, it is a crime of leaking official secrets. Because it is a matter of criminal punishment for this, it is not a matter of simply passing on and deleting an article on social media, but a position to investigate as soon as possible. In addition, the police are sending a commando team that has not properly secured the judicial power that they are showing now. Since saying this is a strong suspicion that it is a contract investigation itself, I think the investigation should be conducted because the entire story of Lee Sang-sik's SNS post itself is revealed.

[Anchor]
I pointed out the remarks of lawmakers from the ruling and opposition parties who were former police officers that could lead to misunderstanding. Yesterday, inappropriate remarks were also controversial in the Legislative and Judiciary Committee's pending questions. Let's listen to Chairman Chung Chung-rae's remarks. Chung Chung-rae, chairman of the Legislative and Judiciary Committee, was controversial when he said, "The president will be sentenced to death." If you look closely at his remarks, even if the crime of rebellion is removed from the constitutional trial, the president will be impeached and he will not retaliate against lawmakers of the People's Power because he will be sentenced to death. So don't worry, I think it means this. It's a metaphorical expression, but I used a bit of an extreme word.

[Hyunyoung Shin]
Yesterday, the Legislation and Judiciary Committee debated whether to include the president's impeachment or change it to an act of rebellion, and Chung Chung-rae, chairman of the committee, will apply the Constitution in accordance with the criminal law and will probably be punished for such crimes in court. If the crime of rebellion is actually admitted, wouldn't it be life imprisonment or the death penalty?

In that sense, I talked about it in the sense that I just need to be properly judged by the law, but I think the word death penalty was mentioned and brought about a more social impact. Therefore, the focus of the remarks is not that President Yoon Suk Yeol will be sentenced to death, but that the impeachment prosecution at the Constitutional Court included the act of rebellion, so it would be good for the public to understand that the public power lawmakers should not worry too much about the verification as a rebellion and be properly judged by the court.

[Anchor]
Do you have a counter-argument? Rep. Kim Jae-seop refuted why he excreted it with his mouth. Let's hear a brief rebuttal.

[Kim Jaewon]
No matter how much you ease it with rhetoric and make excuses now, it's just a story of losing your mind. I think I'm collectively out of my mind. Now that the date of Lee Jae-myung's trial is set, there is an obsession to hold a presidential election before going to Lee Jae-myung's prison after an impeachment trial. I hope he regains his reason.

[Anchor]
I see. We have reviewed the news of the rejection of the Special Prosecutor's Act and the Civil War Special Prosecutor's Act, which returned to the National Assembly today with the veto. Kim Jae-won, a former member of the Supreme Council of People's Power who has come to politics so far, and Shin Hyun-young, a former member of the Democratic Party of Korea. Thank you both for your comments.