Shin Ji-ho "There is a possibility of behind-the-scenes coordination with Jung Jin-seok, Kwon Young-se and Kwon Sung-dong on the announcement of 'Hosomun'."

- The Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit advertises the arrest of the 尹 as if it were advertising the nation
- 尹 announces the exercise of the right to remain silent.Is arrest meaningful
- Choi Sang-mok appears to be looking for his best point
- Only when a special prosecutor on martial law is created can 'clear traffic'

◆ [YTN Radio SHINYUL's news]
■ Broadcasting: FM 94.5 (17:00-19:00)
■ Air date: January 14, 2025 (Tuesday)
■ Proceedings: Shin Yul, Professor of Political Science and Diplomacy at Myongji University
■ Dialogue: Shin Ji-ho, Minister of Strategic Planning for the Power of the People

- 尹 Impeachment trial, same as in 朴.The existing pattern that the Constitutional Court has been doing
- Kim 尹 seems to be able to achieve the 'return' scenario for the presidency
- Han Deok-soo's impeachment, Lee Jae-myung's rebellion...與 Rising approval ratings? Nothing good
- Kwon Sung-dong- Kwon Young-Se is looking too much...The 'emergency martial law' position has not been decided
- The defense of martial law within the 與 is still prevalent
- Early presidential election is likely to compete and win within the power of the people
- Han Dong-hoon's new party move? It's not a situation where planning itself is possible.

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◆Mystery: What do you think of waiting? Sometimes, the longer you wait, the higher the value. That's the kind of time we have today. This is the time you've been waiting for two weeks. Today, you are at the studio of Shin Ji-ho, the Vice-President of the Strategic Planning Department. Please come in.

◇Shin Ji-ho: Yes, hello.

◆ Shin Yul: How will President Yoon be arrested? How do you see it?

◇Shin Ji-ho: The country is in such a fight over the arrest issue that is broken into two and not productive at all, and I think everyone who appears here is going to become a loser. According to the report, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and the National Police Agency will conduct the investigation at 5 a.m. tomorrow, but isn't investigation basically secretive?

◆ Shin Yul: You have to do it secretly.

◇Shin Ji-ho: But trying to get arrested by advertising to the whole nation in this way is something I've never seen before. I'm puzzled. Why on earth are you doing this? If we announce all the time, of course, the presidential security office will prepare that much, but I don't know why. It remains to be seen whether the arrest will be successful, but even if the president succeeds in arresting him, legally, 48 hours.

◆ Shin Yul: You only have 48 hours to request an arrest warrant.

◇ Shin Ji-ho: Against this backdrop, the president is now executing an illegal arrest warrant. So even if I succeed in arresting him for 48 hours, I will exercise my right to silence. Then, if you exercise the right to remain silent, will you release it? No, right? Aren't you going to issue an arrest warrant?

◆ Shin Yul: That's right.

◇Shin Ji-ho: So what's the point of executing an arrest warrant now?

◆ Shin Yul: You just have to go straight to the arrest warrant?

◇Shin Ji-ho: Instead of trying to make such an unreasonable illegal arrest on the president's side, issue an arrest warrant or rather indict him. Aren't you talking like this? In that case, I don't think there's any point in making an arrest. Why should the country be divided into two at the arrest stage? .

◆ Shin Yul: Come to think of it, why would you want to make an arrest like that? The Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit?

◇Shin Ji-ho: Even if the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit succeeds in arresting now, there is no point in exercising the right to remain silent. Arrest price:

◆ Shin Yul: I'm worried about the news. According to our YTN report, the entire police's collection order has already been issued since 4 p.m. So, we're all getting ready. Isn't this how we're getting ready? I like everything, not telling you what I'm worried about. But if this happens, I'm a little worried that the possibility of armed conflict will increase.

◇Shin Ji-ho: That's right. Didn't we have a three-way meeting at 8 this morning? Last night, the National Police Agency made a proposal, so the National Police Agency, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, and the security service. But it ended up with an empty-handed meeting. The security service asked for cooperation in the peaceful execution of the warrant, but the security service did not talk about it, but after the empty-handed meeting was over, the security service took a tough stance again. Rather, they will arrest police and airborne agents who come in to arrest for obstructing the execution of special public affairs. Under the Security Service Act, it is fully possible. Yoon Gap-geun, the president's lawyer, gathered security agents last night and gave a law lecture. According to the law of the Security Service, it is a confidential military facility, so if Kim Sung-hoon, the acting head of the security service, does not allow him to come in unless he says okay, but if he comes in, it will interfere with the execution of special public affairs, so security agents are eligible to arrest him because they are qualified as special judicial police officers. So, it's likely to appear in overseas topics where you get arrested after entering to execute an arrest warrant. .

◆ Shin Yul: That's enough to make an arrest.

◇Shin Ji-ho: What is this? Why are you doing this and that right now?

◆Shin Yul: But anyway, three people met with the police, the airlift and the security this morning. Even after we met, everyone kept talking about what they usually did. I don't think that can mean much, but Presidential Chief of Staff Jeong Jin-seok this early morning. I made a public appeal. How do you see this? The right to self-defense should be guaranteed. Isn't it possible to be investigated in a third place? What do you think?

◇Shin Ji-ho: For me. It was at dawn when this came out. I'm really flabbergasted. Usually, it comes out during working hours, but it's urgent and urgent to come out at dawn like this. But isn't that the core of the message? People from the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit visit the presidential residence in Hannam-dong and conduct an investigation, or a third place. What comes to mind when you think of the third place is Samcheong-dong over there, and Mrs. Kim Gun-hee was also investigated once there. That's why I'm the president's chief of staff, so of course, I consult and coordinate with the president to make this position. And I thought the early morning announcement was made because I thought I couldn't afford to wait any longer because the arrest was about to count, and I thought it would be better to release it early in the morning. That's how I read it. But I completely misread it. The president's lawyer completely misreading has nothing to do with us.

◆ Shin Yul: I didn't even discuss it.

◇Shin Ji-ho: It has nothing to do with us, he has never discussed it with us. So I'm the president's chief of staff right now, and I said this without consulting the president. So who comes to mind? It reminded me of Park Jong-joon, the former chief of security.

◆ Shin Yul: I was going to ask you that, too.

◇Shin Ji-ho: Didn't Secretary of Security Park Jong-joon also voluntarily attend the police without consulting the president and resign? So I felt like Chief of Staff Jeong Jin-seok was also trying to go Park Jong-jun's way.

◆ Shin Yul: What is the path?

◇Shin Ji-ho: So, Director Lee Jung Jin-seok is trying to defend and defend the president like this, saying, "He's an incumbent president and the best constitutional institution, but he's not good at all." That's why Chief of Staff Jeong Jin-seok feels limited or limited. So, like Chief Park Jong-joon, this is the last thing you can do in your line now. The last thing you can do in your own line is the public appeal issued early this morning. But I was kicked out. in the proverbial language The president's side was closed. Then there's nothing you can do. Then, I think that's the only thing left to do, whether you're going to keep your job or organize it or throw it.

◆ Shin Yul: How do you rate Acting Chief Choi Sang-mok's position?

◇Shin Ji-ho: I'm under pressure from acting chief Choi Sang-mok in many ways, but I think he's trying to find the best point in his own way.

◆ Shin Yul: My face was very damaged. I think my face has turned black.

◇Shin Ji-ho: When the common sense people see it, there is bloodshed due to armed conflict between state agencies in the process of arresting and executing the president. Are there people who want that? All common sense people will oppose it. That should be avoided. So isn't Acting Chief Choi Sang-mok trying to do something about it? He also sent an official letter strongly encouraging the security agency and the police not to do so, and the ruling and opposition parties to quickly establish a special prosecutor on martial law, so that everything can be cleared of traffic. I think that's what I'm doing.

◆ Shin-ryul: Some people say that we should give some instructions not to resist the security service.

◇Shin Ji-ho: That's an argument from the opposition side, but it seems difficult for Acting President Choi Sang-mok to stick to one side's argument.

◆ Shin Yul: I see. Today was the first formal hearing of the impeachment hearing of President Yoon's Constitutional Court, but the president didn't come out, so it ended in 4 minutes, and is it the 16th? It's your second time, but if it doesn't come out, you're just going to do it. What do you think?

◇Shin Ji-ho: I think we have no choice but to do that. President Yoon's side is hearing too often. That's too much. But during the Park Geun Hye presidency, there was even a time when he did it twice a week or even three times a week. So I plead my case 17 times or 19 times. So, I think it should be viewed as the existing pattern that the Constitutional Court has been doing twice a week compared to then.

◆ Shin-ryul: For example, if you apply for a challenge from a specific judge, or if you say that this is too often, you are making some gestures if you continue.

◇Shin Ji-ho: So the president said in a public statement on December 12th last year that he would confidently deal with the investigation or impeachment, but he is not confident.

◆ Shin-ryul: Some say that the reason why it's so late is because you're too conscious of CEO Lee Jae-myung, do you agree?

◇ Shin Ji-ho: The president's goal now: Maybe if you buy some time, slow down the impeachment trial and investigation as much as possible, and gain some time to engage in a public race, the polls will improve very rapidly now, and if support for yourself rises further, such public opinion will also affect the Constitutional Court, which will lead to the dismissal of impeachment and a splendid revival of himself and return to the presidency. I think this is a best-case scenario and some fierce supporters think it's possible enough. I'm very encouraged by the recent poll results, so I think I'm thinking, "Look at this, this is what happens." And I think I can achieve that goal if I work a little more.

◆Truth: Polls, I'm not talking about specific polls. Here, I mean, you add up all the polls that we have in two weeks. This is the total, so you can find it on our website of the Central Election Opinion Review Committee. It is true that the trend is that the power of the people is rising and the Democratic Party is falling. Why do you think so?

◇Shin Ji-ho: For me, if the emergency martial law on December 3 last year was the rebellion of Yoon Suk Yeol, the impeachment of Han Deok-soo on December 27 was another rebellion of Lee Jae-myung. It's been bent since then. It acts as an inflection point. As always in Korean politics, it's not a game of who's good, it's a game of who's worse, and who's worse. That's typically what it is. So, with President Yoon Suk Yeol's sudden emergency martial law, Lee Jae-myung of the Democratic Party is the reflective gain and unearned income. However, after the impeachment of Han Deok-soo on December 27, extreme remarks on the Democratic Party's occupational behavior, etc. Recently, people have been talking about Kakaotalk, martial law, and so on. There is nothing that the power of the people did well.

◆ Shin Yul: That's right. You have to be thankful. Do you think that's what I'm talking about?

◇Shin Ji-ho: That's right. In fact, in terms of political engineering, it's hard to hear that lawmaker Chung Chung-rae will be executed for Yoon Suk Yeol. That's X-Men.

◆ Shin-ryul: As you said now, but the majority of the people probably agree that it is not because the power of the people is good.

◇Shin Ji-ho: I think so.

◆ Shin Yul: They say it's a voting system. How do you evaluate Kwon Seong-dong and Kwon Young-se's voting rights system?

◇Shin Ji-ho: I think I'm tasting too much here, too.

◆ Shinryul: So, what about tasting it?

◇Shin Ji-ho: So if you look at this, it's been a while since this dual system was established. It's been almost a month. By the way, is there any summary of the public's position on the emergency martial law on December 3rd?

◆ Shin Yul: During the general meeting of lawmakers, when Representative Kim Sang-wook just talked, Representative Lee Chul-kyu woke up and said, "Who is in favor of the emergency from the power of the people?" Media reports say

◇Shin Ji-ho: That's what I saw. Then what about Yoon Sang-hyun and former lawmaker Kim Min? Jeon Kwang-hoon and I have the same thoughts. What are the people around Jeon Kwang Hoon? Emergency martial law was just and legitimate. Therefore, the impeachment of the president should be dismissed as null and void. And if necessary, the second and third emergency martial law should be continued. That's what happened to Yoon Sang-hyun and Kim Min-jeon. Yesterday, the general meeting of the lawmakers was held behind closed doors, but it's surprising to see the reports coming out all the time. If you think about it, a lot of this came out. How could the president have done emergency martial law? So, the rampage of the Lee Jae-myung Democratic Party of Korea, why would the president have done emergency martial law? an opinion of advocacy There's a lot of this. Then is it right to talk about lawmaker Lee Chul-kyu? They all said that emergency martial law was not desirable, but inevitable. That's not how much I'm approaching the president emotionally. So, the dual authority system said they apologized, so if you look at it within the pro-Yoon system. There's no arrangement of positions on emergency martial law. the inevitability of emergency martial law But what did floor leader Kwon Sung-dong say about that? He said it was a grave mistake. It can't be the same. Then Jungkook is not the one that happened because of the emergency rule. But I can't even organize my position on emergency martial law. Not yet.

◆ Shin Yul: Do you think the first two floor leaders, Kwon Seong-dong, is a little off from the core of pro-Yoon?

◇Shin Ji-ho: I'm seeing you today. Chief of Staff Jeong Jin-seok's appeal at dawn, Kwon Young-se, chairman of the emergency committee, and Kwon Sung-dong, floor leader, are a little right. And since they know each other well, I think there is a possibility that it has been coordinated behind the scenes.

◆Mystery: It's reasoning.

◇Shin Ji-ho: So, the so-called Mulyoon act, which has not openly attacked or criticized the president, but tries to keep a little distance from the president. But if you do it too openly, you'll get a backlash from the strong supporters. By the way, today's martial law independent counsel law. You've decided to come up with an alternative to the power of the people. It's going to be crazy again with this.

◆ Shin Yul: It's crazy.

◇Shin Ji-ho: If pro-Yoon and pro-Yoon were some kind of confrontation within the party before the emergency martial law, there were some things like lawmaker Kim Sang-wook yesterday, but now there is a judgment that all special prosecutors are evil within pro-Yoon. Yesterday, Joo Jin-woo, a lawmaker of the National Assembly, proposed by the Democratic Party as the chairman of the law committee, said, "There are many problems like this, so there are toxic provisions. Let's take this out and come up with our own reasonable independent counsel law. What are you talking about? There were surprisingly many people who said that the independent counsel itself did not make sense.

◆ Shin-ryul: And actually, you said it, but if you think about it like this, the public opinion in favor of impeachment is much higher in various opinion polls. There's no one in the public who thinks about impeaching the president, should we change it? Shouldn't you actually look at whether you're going to think like that?

◇Shin Ji-ho: People's Power Some lawmakers, especially those in the Yeongnam region, seem to have an optical illusion. I was encouraged by the recent surge in approval ratings, and I thought, "We can do something even if we go like this." If you think it's a big deal...

◆ Shin-ryul: It's a good idea. Anyway, I don't know what happened, but at this point, we can't help but talk about the early presidential election. I have a lot of questions to ask Dr. Shin Ji-ho, but in the past, As of January 2017, wasn't it true that President Park Geun Hye passed by the National Assembly in December 2016 at the time of impeachment? However, if you look at the January 2017 poll, it is based on the Korean Gallup standard. It's the second week of January, and it was 31% of the former representative, not the candidate at the time of the Moon Jae In. Then, former UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon was 20% like this. Representative Ahn Cheol Soo was in order of 13%, but if you look at the timing like this, the Liberty Korea Party was the Saenuri Party at that time. There were still more than 20% of people in the passport. President Ban Ki-moon. But it's not like that now.

◇Shin Ji-ho: There's no such thing right now. Just as the difference in approval ratings between the ruling and opposition parties has more than doubled in a month, I think the presidential candidate will be like that, and one thing I'm worried about is that there will be no division of conservative politics like in 2017. In any case, even if they lose and stir-fry within the power of the people, they will compete and fight with each other within the power of the people. However, since there is no clear arrangement of positions on the constitutional amendment and impeachment, President Yoon and Pastor Jeon Kwang-hoon go according to their logic. Impeachment is cited if. Then I disagree. Furthermore, the impeachment trial excluded the crime of rebellion, and the impeachment was cited, and the president's dismissal was decided. I think I'm going to disobey. But if you disagree with the results of the impeachment trial, what happens as an impeachment trial? It's an early presidential election. We have no choice but to boycott the early presidential election. logically Would you object to the results of the impeachment trial and participate in the early presidential election that is caused by it? It doesn't fit. logically Of course, there doesn't have to be logical consistency.

◆ Credit: But it's a logically predictable scenario.

◇Shin Ji-ho: Then the pay is... I don't think the party will split this time or it will happen like it did in 2016. There are quite a few people around Representative Han Dong-hoon who say, "Shouldn't someone be a new party?" Representative Han Dong-hoon is not moving at all about it, and we're the same, so there won't be many parties. However, since the Constitutional Court's results came out of its own trial, I cannot admit that it is necessary to accept it even if it is unfortunate and win the early presidential election somehow. I think there is a very high possibility that it will be divided into objections. Then, I think that's a point that can give Lee Jae-myung the Democratic Party of Korea a father-in-law.

◆ Shin Yul: Some people say so. Representative Lee Jae-myung, so the Democratic Party of Korea draws the power of the people now, and then the power of the people later draws the Democratic Party. Oh, when does the new party of Han Dong-hoon reopen? Politics? I heard it's February.

◇Shin Ji-ho: So it's January or February. There's nothing set. There's no point in deciding. So, it's hard to look an inch ahead of Jungkook. The political situation is fluctuating due to unexpected events, right? So, the presidential recruitment issue and the Constitutional Court's impeachment trial should be stabilized to some extent, so it is possible to plan when and how to resume activities, but now planning itself is not possible.

◆ Shin Yul: It's because you can't see an inch ahead. I see. Let's stop here today. Thank you.

◇Shin Ji-ho: Thank you.

◆ Shin Yul: I was Shin Ji Ho, former head of Strategic Planning Department.