[News NIGHT] Jeong Jin-seok's public appeal...The second warrant is about to be executed.

■ Hosted by: anchor Sung Moon-gyu
■ Appearance: Eom Kyung-young, head of the Institute for Psychological Research in the Era, former member of the New Future Committee Shin Kyung-min

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[Anchor]
It's a focus night time to look at news of political interest. Today, Eom Kyung-young, head of the Institute for Psychological Research in the Era, and Shin Kyung-min, former head of the new future committee, are here. Please come in. The execution of the second arrest warrant for the president of Yoon Suk Yeol is on the countdown. I'm going to focus on this story today. First, this morning, Presidential Chief of Staff Jeong Jin-seok issued a public appeal to guarantee President Yoon's right to self-defense. If you look at this first. I issued an appeal at around 6:10 this morning, and I am appealing directly with a desperate feeling to prevent a head-on collision with a state agency. That's how I started. Pushing the presidential office like a drug gang. And please guarantee your right to self-defense. That's how I said it, and the presidential office is also ready to consult with the police and the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. I said that a third place or visit survey can also be reviewed. Was he really desperate? I made an appeal early in the morning. What do you think? How did you see this appeal?

[Strict Management]
Chief of Staff Chung Jin-suk's story is to indict President Yoon without detention. I'm looking at it like I appealed to you a little bit more softly. And don't you have to investigate or investigate to prosecute? That's why I said, "Let's visit the official residence and conduct an investigation or let's agree on a third place to conduct an investigation." In fact, Director Jeong Jin-seok expressed his inner feelings, but I think he had this idea before. However, the public anger over the martial law incident was so great that it was not possible to talk about it, and the recent rise in public power or President Yoon's approval rating and the public anger were somewhat alleviated. That's what I think.

[Anchor]
However, since this is quite controversial during the day, I did not consult with President Yoon, but I said it from the common sense. That's what he said.

[nervous]
Well, we should have discussed it.

[Anchor]
Did you see that?

[nervous]
At least I wouldn't have told you. But if we listen to the story, isn't the Hannam Battle imminent? The Battle of Hannam-dong is actually a real loss of national dignity. It's hardly a fall, and it's going to be so big that there's no national dignity. So everyone agrees that this shouldn't happen. You say you were president like a drug gang, but who built a retaining wall in Hannam-dong like a drug gang? We have to talk about this first. Who in the Republic of Korea right now guarantees the right to self-defense as thoroughly as President Yoon? Aren't you in the middle of an investigation? But they kicked the first to third summonses of the investigation, saying they were illegal. That's why an arrest warrant came out now. They're saying they're going to execute an arrest warrant. But the arrest warrant was already kicked off on January 3rd. There was no one in Korea who used the right to self-defense so thoroughly. It won't exist in the future. So even though Chief of Staff Jeong Jin-seok resigned several times, I can't believe he still goes to work. The other thing is that if we were to talk about this today, we should have done it then when the first to third summonses were made. Suddenly tapping the spear while sleeping, but at the time of execution of the second arrest warrant, please don't do it as if you were a drug gang, guarantee the right to defend yourself, and a third place is also good. There's no way there's an echo of what I'm talking about. I'm not sure why I did it.

[Anchor]
Former lawmaker Shin Kyung-min said that there must have been at least a communion in advance. However, President Yoon expressed his position that he had never discussed Chung's appeal. Let's listen to lawyer Yoon Gap-geun's remarks firsthand.

[Yoon Gap-geun / Yoon's lawyer: (Chief of Staff Jeong Jin-seok said the possibility of investigating a third place, what do you think? ) It was something that we didn't consult with, and I think Director Jeong Jin-seok was concerned about conflicts and physical mishaps between state agencies, so he thought about it and said it. (Would you be interested in reviewing it? In the third place...) As I have said before, it is consistent that if the investigation we talked about last time is sufficient, we will prosecute it, and if the investigation is insufficient, if the evidence is not sufficient, we should seek an arrest warrant from the Central District Court. ]

[Anchor]
Representative Shin, first of all, lawyer Yoon emphasizes that there has never been such a case? Would you have spoken to lawyer

[nervous]
Yoon? I don't think I would have done it. You keep talking about me, but you're saying it's illegal. The investigation authority is not currently in the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. And the Western District Court does not have the right to issue a warrant. Therefore, President Yoon's consistent position is that he cannot respond because it is an illegal investigation and an illegal warrant. I don't know if it'll be early morning or when.Ma doesn't even know when the second warrant date is. It's probably until before and after the holiday. I think there are the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and the police in a situation where we have to execute the second warrant this week. That's why I think it's imminent. If the execution of this warrant goes back to nothing, there is nothing to say even if President Yoon really accuses him of being a drug gang. The president shouldn't go like this. You shouldn't be acting like this.

[Anchor]
Anyway, since President Yoon denied like this and said he never thought about a third place or a visit survey, is this a past story? What do you think?

[Strict Management]
But last time, President Yoon's representatives openly talked about the investigation without detention. Therefore, even if they did not communicate or sympathize, Chung Jin-seok's appeal could have been sufficiently made. That's what I think. Representative Shin said, "I don't know why you're going to work." I offered to resign last time. However, Acting President Choi Sang-mok refused to resign, and although President Yoon has been suspended from his duties, he is a sitting president. So, of course, Director Jeong Jin-seok has to perform his duties. So, on the other hand, he should assist acting president Choi Sang-mok and manage the presidential office in Yongsan until the conclusion of the impeachment trial of President Yoon is reached. I think it's responsible like this. And I don't know why the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit investigates until the end when the incumbent president says it's illegal. Whether he has no capacity for investigation and is really willing. And if you look at the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, There is only one prosecutor who was a prosecutor. That's why we lack actual investigative capabilities. So, during the first warrant last time, there was actually an arrest show between Chairman Lee Jae-myung, the Democratic Party, President Yoon, and the power of the people. That's what I think. They're doing it again tomorrow morning, but I don't think I can do it again tomorrow. So it'll be just the second arrest show. And as you mentioned earlier, I understand that the deadline for the second arrest warrant has been extended like this until roughly just before the Lunar New Year holiday. So in the end, I wondered how public opinion would flow during the Lunar New Year holiday. Accordingly, I think there will be a third attempt to arrest warrants right after the Lunar New Year holiday. Even now, I know that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is poor in style, but I can request the National Investigation Headquarters of the National Police Agency and request a warrant from the Seoul Central District Court from there and do it according to the principle. Why do you have to do that in an expedient way? It's a little hard for me to understand.

[Anchor]
So, the second warrant deadline was known until the Lunar New Year holiday, so he said there is a high possibility that he will fail even if he tries to execute it before that, and he said he would not apply for the third time later. Today, the police and the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit met with the security. So there was a three-way meeting, and I asked for cooperation for the security service's peaceful execution of the warrant, but I don't think there was much income. Please organize the personal information and purpose of the visit for those who come in. I heard you sent an official letter again like this, but what do you think this means? Are you going to accept it, what is it?

[nervous]
It's a little ambiguous right now. In this situation, the bodyguard is alone. The military and the police have no intention of cooperating here. It's a similar situation to the first one last time, but it seems to be appearing on paper now. But the question is, will the security service come out to the first and second cordons and do security work? I think tomorrow's point will be. If that happens, there will be a very noisy collision from the first cordon, and you have no idea what will happen here. I'm not sure what kind of national disgrace this is. And the president is questioning whether he has the right to investigate or the right to issue a warrant, but won't we know if he is competent or not? It's right to be investigated. Wouldn't you have to be investigated to conclude whether you are prosecuted in custody or without detention? And if you look into it, there is a possibility that only the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit will not be investigated. I don't know what's going to happen. You don't know what the investigation will be.

And do you have the right to issue a warrant or not? It's a Western District Court, so I can't, but first of all, the warrant came out. If the warrant comes out, whether it comes from the Western District Court or the Jeju District Court, the warrant is a warrant. It's from the judiciary. Then you have to acknowledge the warrant without saying anything. That's the duty of a presidential person. In fact, all of these controversies are not a problem if the independent counsel law is passed, but it's not a problem because it's not working right now. Also, all these controversies need to be resolved by the acting president before the Special Prosecutor Act, but what is the acting president doing when the acting president is showing such an ambiguous attitude?

[Anchor]
No armed conflict.

[nervous]
If you only memorize things like spells that don't allow armed conflict, does that work? Now, whether it's a security guard, a police officer, or an airlift, the acting chief can lead. And you mentioned the chief of staff now, what is the chief of staff doing? The chief of staff, the acting chief of staff, the chief of security, and the people representing the ruling and opposition parties should gather to clear up the confusion in the investigation and the execution of the warrant. Isn't there something to do like this?

[Anchor]
As everyone is saying now, the second execution attempt is likely to be early tomorrow morning. What's being talked about now is that the police are ordering the metropolitan area's regional investigation team to be dispatched, but there was a little confusion today: the Joint Investigation Headquarters, the police and the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, and the 55th Guard Corps. The Ministry of National Defense said that the Ministry of National Defense approved access to the official residence area, but just a moment ago, the Ministry of National Defense said that this is not true. They recognized it as if the door would open automatically if they approved it, but they said no, what was this about, specifically?

[Strict Management]
First of all, the expenses of the official residence are in a triple system. The 55th Guard of the Capital Defense Command is guarding the far edge. And the police's 101st Guard or 202nd Guard is in charge of the door directly. In it, close-up security is supposed to be done by the security service. So the Airborne Division said that the 55 Guard Corps, or the 55 Guard Corps, approved the entrance to the main gate, but he refuted it by saying that it was a lie. But I think we need to look at it coldly...

[Anchor]
To summarize, what the Ministry of National Defense specifically said is that the area you requested for investigation cooperation is a military facility protection area and a national security facility, so our agency alone, that is, our agency, is restricted from approving access. So the Presidential Security Service has to approve additional access. I made this position that it is necessary.

[Strict Management]
That's right. It's a triple security, but all the security guards are in charge. So, they are supposed to command all of these things, including the 55th Guard of the Water Guard, the 101st Guard of the Police, and the 202nd Guard. That's why the commander in chief doesn't belong to the radiation officer. The Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit officially holds command of such security personnel dispatched to the official residence or the presidential office in Yongsan. You can see it like this. But you keep talking about arrest. I look at it like this. Korea's legal system has a general law, a special law or an independent counsel law above the general law, and a constitution above the special counsel law or special law. The three laws are working together at the same time, and even if President Yoon is arrested, it is not an appropriate expression, but it can be the best and biggest problem in Korea. The Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is in Gwacheon right now. Then, we have to arrest President Yoon and send him to Gwacheon. If we don't investigate within 48 hours and find out the allegations, we have to send them back.

And what if the arrest warrant is rejected? That's why I didn't have much benefit from arresting him. And even if you arrest and prosecute them, the impeachment trial of the Constitutional Court cannot be completed quickly. In the end, the impeachment trial of the Constitutional Court should end, and President Yoon is currently in virtual custody at his official residence. Arrested, that's how I see it. Why do we have to arrest him with this? Article 84 of our Constitution. It stipulates rebellion and foreign exchange crimes. What this is like is that you will not be prosecuted criminally unless you are accused of civil war or foreign exchange. If you interpret this backwards, that's why you can prosecute it. Civil war or foreign exchange crimes. There's no arrest, no arrest. I think the principle is to investigate without detention, and if you want to prosecute without detention, you have to investigate. That's what the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and the security service need to discuss. Is that difficult? If CEO Lee Jae-myung decides, he can do it enough.

[nervous]
I don't think you have to worry much about the worries of Director Um. That's because the investigative agency takes care of it. You don't have to worry about that. It is necessary to determine which law comes first whether the security law is the priority or the criminal law-based arrest warrant, but from our common sense, the arrest warrant comes first. It's a warrant issued by a judge. I don't think I need to worry about it that much.

[Strict Management]
I'm just worried that there might be an accidental collision.

[Anchor]
A little while ago, Chief Eom said that President Yoon was virtually imprisoned in his official residence. That's what you said, but head of the department Jeong Jin-seok also used an idiom called Goseong Nak-il today. The sun is setting on a lonely castle. So I don't see anyone to help. How did you hear about this part?

[nervous]
Since you ran aground, you have to make it work for yourself. Who told you to do this? 12. 3 is the wake of the sleeping rebellion in the Criminal Code. It's been a very long time since we've seen people who have been correcting the law for a very long time have moved this law alive. That's why I broke this law. That's what President Yoon did on his own, and for what he did, according to the principle of criminal courtism, whether it is investigated, investigated, and prosecuted before that, and the impeachment process is a disciplinary process. So, this is what President Yoon ran aground, so even if it's not a high-pitched fall, it's something you have to bear on your own.

[Anchor]
Anyway, apart from what Chief Eom says, the police and the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit are in an atmosphere where they are likely to be executed for now. However, there were hardliners and moderates within the security office, but the moderate chief is now cooperating with the police investigation. An arrest warrant was issued for Deputy Chief Kim Sung-hoon. There are also several hard-liners in it, and if an arrest warrant is issued and tomorrow in the process of executing President Yoon, the arrest warrant can also be executed against the deputy chief. I think there will be quite a stir internally.

[Strict Management]
Of course, isn't the security service staff internally a public servant? I think there is a possibility of agitation toward the lower post because they are not the kind of people who shared a philosophy or vision with the president of Yoon Suk Yeol, but are just public officials. However, Park Jong-joon, the former head of the security service, is in charge of attending the police and is about to request a warrant, so I think that the high-ranking officials of the security service are probably responding step by step. Acting Deputy Chief Kim Sung-hoon is also issued an arrest warrant, but at some point, for example, if the police or the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit enters the residence early tomorrow morning and arrests Deputy Chief Kim Sung-hoon, then head of the Kim Shin family, followed by Lee Kwang-woo and Lee Kwang-woo. In this way, I think I'm going to oxidize furiously, and I think I've prepared a scenario for this strategy. Through this self-sacrifice, we will keep the discipline of the security service staff as far away as possible. I think that's the strategy. So I don't expect the security service to completely collapse or collapse until the Lunar New Year. The problem will be after the Lunar New Year holidays.

[Anchor]
What you are saying is that if the arrest warrant for Deputy Chief Kim Sung-hoon is executed tomorrow, there is a high possibility of resistance from the security service staff, are you reading it like that?

[Strict Management]
That's right. Through that, he will strengthen his internal discipline and guard his official residence as Lee Kwang-woo takes over as an acting director.

[Anchor]
However, following Oh Dong-woon, the head of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, today announced the position that anyone can be arrested as a current offender if the acting head of the National Police Agency prevents the execution of the arrest warrant for President Yoon. Let's listen to that comment.

[Mo Kyung-jong / Democratic Party member: Is it a red crime if a self-proclaimed organization interferes with the execution of a warrant?] ]

[Lee Ho-young / Acting Commissioner of the National Police Agency: The current offender is correct. ]

[Mo Kyung-jong / Democratic Party member: What should I do if the police see the red criminal in front of my eyes? ]

[Lee Ho-young / Acting Commissioner of National Police Agency: It can be punished for obstructing the execution of public affairs. ]

[Mo Kyung-jong / Minjoo Party member: Of course we should. ]

[Mo Kyung-jong / Minjoo Party member] Some lawmakers, some members of the People's Power, declared their arrest and stood in front of their official residence. Indeed, even the lawmakers I usually respected were in front of me shouting for arrest. They didn't actually arrest him, but if they go back and stop him when they execute the warrant, he's also a red-handed offender, right? ]

[Lee Ho-young / Acting Commissioner of National Police Agency: If you actively commit arrest, you can be a red-handed criminal. ]

[Anchor]
Anyone who interferes with the execution of a warrant can be arrested on the spot. In the midst of this, today's people's power was the last effective date for the execution of an arrest warrant on the 6th. So that day, about 40 people flocked to the official residence. But there is a possibility that about 30 people will go this time.

[nervous]
From now on, it seems that there is a high possibility that a similar-sized lawmaker of the People's Power will go. That's a fundamental story. And it's not the first time we've talked about it, it's the first time we've talked about it. If you ask like that, I think you have no choice but to answer like that. However, if you take this side in the process of executing the warrant for the president who is suspected of rebellion and the suspect who is suspended from his duty, there will be no other way from the police's point of view. You won't be able to see it continue to interfere with the execution of the warrant. There will probably be very difficult and confusing images, but as I said earlier, the acting authority is largely responsible for making this appearance.

The acting authority has the ability to clean this up at once. That is the power of acting. However, the acting president did not do that, but he showed a fairly cowardly appearance on the 3rd. Until now, he has not shown himself as an acting authority. Which law takes precedence is so natural in terms of legal common sense. In this case, the warrant issued by the official judge takes precedence. This is the foundation of the law and common sense of the law.

[Anchor]
When lawmakers of the People's Power gathered at the residence on the 6th, there were many critical voices, and now that the police and the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit can be arrested as current offenders, can about 30 people be arrested in the second round?

[Strict Management]
I think there will be more than 30 people. This is because the atmosphere of people's power has changed a little from the past, early January. This is because the conservative rally is now being maximized as the acting president Han Deok-soo was impeached on December 27 last year and the arrest attempt against President Yoon continued in early January. And recently, Minister of Employment and Labor Kim Moon-soo refused to apologize on December 11th, making a surprise appearance as the next candidate in the conservative passport. In this way, not only lawmakers but also the next candidates are working hard on Minister Kim Moon-soo's marketing. So, I think that if the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit attempts to arrest President Yoon early tomorrow morning, more than 40 people will flock to his residence and I will block the arrest warrant. It is predicted that he is prepared to take enough of these things, such as being dragged out or arrested.

[Anchor]
In the meantime, a media camera captured President Yoon taking a walk at his residence yesterday. How do you see this? Do you see President Yoon's intended appearance ahead of the execution of the warrant? Because almost all media companies are watching the official residence.

[nervous]
Of course. There's no way you don't know this. I know that if it comes out to a certain extent, it will be captured on the camera of all media companies. And President Yoon's appearance is not only that, but also that of patrolling. You wear a backpack, and that backpack is a specially designed backpack that you can put a rifle inside.

[Anchor]
Do you think that's intended as well?

[nervous]
That's all intended. Most people in the military know which company or what the backpack is for. That's what I mean. It's a show that's close to the intended show. Showing? It's seen as something like this.

[Anchor]
So if it was meant to be, what message do you see it as?

[Strict Management]
Not only this picture, but I've been exposed once a week ago. President Yoon fled, and since fake news like this is circulating, I will deliberately file a complaint after being captured in some media photos. There's this story, and when the Jeju Air disaster happened not too long ago, I sent a message on social media. The day before yesterday, I also sent another message about the L.A. forest fire. So, President Yoon's move is intended to restore his usual mind and expand his conservative rally. In addition, we will actively respond to attempts by the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit or the impeachment trial of the Constitutional Court while raising approval ratings through these. I think that's what it means.

[Anchor]
I'll talk about the Insurrection Special Prosecutor Act. The martial law special prosecution law is new. As the ruling and opposition parties continue to fight over the Special Prosecutors' Act on Insurrection, the ruling party announced its own special prosecution law today, and decided to name it the Special Prosecutors' Act on Emergency Security. I haven't proposed it yet. Let's listen to the floor leader Kwon Sung-dong's remarks firsthand.

[Kwon Seong-dong / People's Power Floor Leader: The Democratic Party's Civil War and Foreign Exchange Special Prosecutor Act is an evil law with too many provisions and toxins. It must be prevented from passing this inexhaustible independent counsel law. In reality, at a time when the Democratic Party of Korea's constitutional destructive independent counsel law has to be blocked, more than half of the lawmakers have suggested submitting our party's independent counsel law that removes the unconstitutional toxic clause. The Democratic Party of Korea urges the party to immediately stop the plan to deal with the unconstitutional civil war and foreign exchange special investigation law and incitement to arrest the president and start consulting with the party on the special investigation law. ]

[Anchor]
As I mentioned earlier, the Civil War Special Prosecutor Act, which was put forward by opposition parties such as the Democratic Party, and as an alternative, it was named the Martial Law Special Prosecutor Act, and what is its content? It came out a little bit, right?

[Strict Management]
It's roughly shown. First of all, the most distinctive feature is that the crime of foreign exchange is excluded. And secondly, propaganda related to civil war. So, I think we can look at it like this to exclude the investigation of fake news. And the deadline is up to 150 days in the Democratic Party's Insurrection Special Prosecutor Act, but the power of the people is reduced to 110 days and the manpower is reduced to about a third.

[Anchor]
There's a big difference.

[Strict Management]
That's right. If the special prosecution law is passed with the Democratic Party's eye patch, if the early presidential election is held, it will be held in four to five months. So, I think it's a little unreasonable. In this sense, it's a special prosecution law that eliminates a lot of toxic provisions.

[Anchor]
The people's power is to consult with the Democratic Party of Korea with this, and the Democratic Party also talked positively. He said that if he proposed it, it would be possible to discuss it.

[nervous]
It's a discussion. We have to discuss it and we can discuss it. But the problem right now is. The problem is that the National Power Party keeps trying to stand on President Yoon's side. We have to throw this away and negotiate. From President Yoon's point of view, I keep thinking hard about how I can help President Yoon on his side.

[Anchor]
Wouldn't the ruling party think so, of course?

[nervous]
However, in a way, since the absurd emergency martial law was made, in fact, cutting it off at a certain point may be the direction the National Power Party should move forward and a tactical strategy that the National Power Party should survive. You're misunderstanding this right now. I heard that the current approval rating has become very similar to that of the Democratic Party, so I think I like it a little, but I need to carefully consider the amount and quality. Since the Democratic Party is doing something wrong, it should be considered that the National Power Party is going up. Therefore, since it is highly likely to be a reflective benefit, the National Power Party must think carefully about the direction in which the state and our society should move forward. I don't think so when we have a frame war.

The December 3rd incident is so big that we haven't seen a bigger event recently. However, it is not the right position for the people to try to keep the case shorter and shorter than the last special prosecutor. I think the National Power Party is going in the wrong direction. We have to negotiate. It's been a month and a half until now, but it's not normal for the National Assembly to have to discuss it again without passing the Insurrection Special Prosecutor Act like this.

[Anchor]
Anyway, as you saw earlier, there is a big gap between the Insurrection Special Prosecutor Act and the Martial Law Special Prosecutor Act, and the Democratic Party is trying to present this to the plenary session on Thursday, but I don't know if an agreement will be possible within that.

[Strict Management]
I said the Democratic Party would negotiate. I'm not sure if that's actually the intention. So, the permanent special prosecution law has been passed and the civil war special prosecution law is being discussed, but if the ruling and opposition parties really want to discuss it, as Representative Shin said, the power of the people is not necessarily that. That means that the power of the people should be completed as soon as possible with early presidential elections in mind. And this is martial law. The investigation is actually almost over. So, except for some supplementary investigations and investigations into President Yoon, virtually everything has been completed. Why do we have to do this for 150 days? I think 60 days is enough. So, I can negotiate with the Democratic Party that it will really consult with an open mind. However, the Democratic Party of Korea will hold the election with this throughout the election to abuse it for the early presidential election. If you start a consultation with this intention, you can't negotiate.

[Anchor]
First of all, they said they would discuss it then if the people's power proposed it, but since it has not been proposed yet, it seems that we have to continue to see what will happen.

I'll stop listening to you two.

Eom Kyung-young, head of the Institute for Psychological Research in the Era, and Shin Kyung-min, former member of the new future responsibility committee. Thank you both.