President Yoon was arrested 43 days after martial law...Investigation of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit begins.

■ Host: Kim Sun-young Anchor, Jung Ji-woong Anchor
■ Starring: Lim Joo-hye, Lawyer Baek Jong-gyu, Social Affairs Reporter

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[Anchor]
Attorney Lim Joo-hye came out next to me. Let's get to the legal point regarding the arrest of the President of Yoon Suk Yeol today. The Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit said the investigation began at 11 o'clock. They say it started right away without a tee time, but can it be seen as a willingness to skip all the procedures and start the investigation in earnest?

[Lim Joo-hye]
That's right. If an investigation is conducted on a high-ranking government official, the investigation is conducted first to honor him. But to the end, this is just a custom. Since there are no established laws or procedures, these parts seem to have been omitted and immediately entered into the investigation. It is possible to predict that the investigation will be underway, but the question is already 200 pages long. That's why it seems to take a considerable amount of time. Since there is a vast area of investigation to be conducted right now, the investigation is proceeding very rapidly, omitting related procedures.

[Anchor]
200 pages is a lot of questions prepared, but many people are expected to refuse to make statements as if President Yoon Suk Yeol had given a notice before. So even if I don't make a statement, do I keep digesting all of this question? How can we anticipate that?

[Lim Joo-hye]
That's right. We often call it the silent right. The right not to make a statement is legally guaranteed. In terms of exercising the right to defend, it is possible to literally exercise the right to remain silent without talking while being questioned by the suspect, but it is necessary to consider whether this will benefit or harm President Yoon Suk Yeol in terms of exercising his right to defend himself. As you asked earlier, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is asking about 200 pages, but if you exercise your right to remain silent, the question will just move on. In fact, the investigation is going to be completed very quickly, and if 48 hours of arrest have passed like this, in some cases, the results of the investigation into other evidence and other people involved are already solid and prosecution is possible without a separate newspaper or question about President Yoon Suk Yeol, there is a possibility that an arrest warrant will be filed or an indictment will be attempted. Otherwise, if a substantial investigation into President Yoon Suk Yeol was not carried out, and if the arrest warrant was rejected or some data was not properly secured, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit tried to arrest him, but after the arrest, the arrest itself was not the purpose. Arrest is just a process, and substantial investigation is more important, and if this part is not achieved, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit will be hit.

[Anchor]
That's what I'm saying. If I refuse to make a statement and don't have an affidavit to the president of Yoon Suk Yeol, can I feel a little burdened if I request a warrant? How do you see it?

[Lim Joo-hye]
I think it is worth referring to the case of former Defense Minister Kim Yong-hyun. In the case of former Defense Minister Kim Yong-hyun, the prosecution also conducted an investigation, and it is known that he has refused to make a statement in the process. Nevertheless, most of the statements related to former Defense Minister Kim Yong-hyun were secured against other people involved, and they exercised their right to remain silent based on other documents, but in fact, they were arrested and prosecuted. So, exercising the right to remain silent is, of course, the right to exercise as a suspect. In some cases, if there is enough other evidence, it may be that you actively lose the opportunity to argue about this or that there is a part that you can legally argue with. I think President Yoon Suk Yeol will also think about these parts with his lawyer.

[Anchor]
Rather, it can be disadvantaged.

[Lim Joo-hye]
That's right. But the current situation is a little special, and President Yoon Suk Yeol consistently insists that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit does not have the right to investigate. This time, they are cooperating with the investigation of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit at a representative level to prevent any bloodshed, but they were arrested, but President Yoon Suk Yeol also released a statement on video with a nuance that he had made a voluntary appearance. So if you look at this, President Yoon Suk Yeol claims that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit does not have legitimate investigation authority, so it is highly likely that he will not cooperate with the investigation while practically exercising his right to remain silent.

[Anchor]
And when I looked at the location of the survey today, it was a video recording room. Then, the recording is being done here. Can we estimate it like this?

[Lim Joo-hye]
But you have to have consent. In fact, video recording does not have a big meaning in itself, but it can mean leaving a video of the current investigation. In some cases, it can be used as some evidence, but it has not yet been confirmed whether or not it has been agreed, so this part needs to be watched more.

[Anchor]
Then what happens to the screen you recorded in this video recording room? Is it used as evidence when prosecuted later? What's going to happen?

[Lim Joo-hye]
Even when it is being recorded, the investigation is still carried out, so a newspaper report is prepared. If it's practically important evidence, the contents of the record seem to have a practically important meaning. First of all, there is talk that the investigation is being conducted in the video investigation room, and there is no such part about how President Yoon Suk Yeol is answering the investigator's question, so we need to watch the investigation a little more.

[Anchor]
The arrest warrant for the president of Yoon Suk Yeol was executed today, and it was executed considerably earlier than expected. But if you look at the part that President Yoon Suk Yeol himself sent out, he used the expression, "I will attend." So, there is an interpretation of whether this is voluntary attendance or execution of arrest warrants, or whether they think differently.

[Lim Joo-hye]
The Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit made an official announcement. At 10:33 a.m., the arrest of Yoon Suk Yeol's president was carried out. Because this point is also important. Because it can also act as a starting point in the 48-hour period.

[Anchor]
Did it start at 10:33?

[Lim Joo-hye]
That's right. That's also important. However, President Yoon Suk Yeol did not use the expression "arrest" and even though the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit did not have legal authority to investigate President Yoon Suk Yeol's rebellion, various bloody conflicts, such as ladders and fire equipment were mobilized, and the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit was trying to break into the president's residence voluntarily to avoid armed conflict.

But strictly speaking, even in a briefing reporting the interim situation at 9 o'clock in the middle, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit made it clear that Yoon Suk Yeol's voluntary attendance made no sense, it was not an option considered. That's inevitable because an arrest warrant has already been issued. So, while being executed, an arrest warrant came out because President Yoon Suk Yeol had already refused to comply with three summonses, and that's when he had the opportunity to appear voluntarily. I think it was a situation that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit could not allow to voluntarily attend the execution of an arrest warrant while already missing that opportunity. In the end, I think it would be right to summarize that the arrest warrant was executed as announced by the official Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit.

[Anchor]
The investigation began at 11 o'clock and I prepared 200 pages of questions for hours, so I don't think it will end in a short time, but are we supposed to have lunch time and break time?

[Lim Joo-hye]
Of course. We can't go too far. Meal time and rest time are guaranteed. It may vary depending on the content, complexity, and this part of the question, but in general, it is not easy to pass 10 pages per hour in practice. But I think it's very important who's doing the investigation. There are still talks about who the prosecutor is in charge of, but since it is an investigation into the president now, it is possible to predict that the prosecutor in charge will have the most experience in conducting these matters in relation to the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit.

[Anchor]
It is said that Deputy Prosecutor Lee Jae-seung is in charge of it.

[Lim Joo-hye]
That's right. In the case of Deputy Chief Prosecutor Lee Jae-seung, he is very experienced and I think he was designated under the judgment that he would be able to induce questions and answers best in this area. They say it's usually hard to get more than 10 pages an hour at the earliest. However, if President Yoon Suk Yeol does not answer and exercises his right to remain silent, the investigation may proceed quickly and be over. There are many cases, so it seems necessary to wait and see how it will proceed.

[Anchor]
So, what will be the process after the investigation is completed? Are you going to the detention center? Or are you just waiting at the airlift?

[Lim Joo-hye]
If it's usually the same, you're going back to the detention center. So whenever I need to, whenever there is an investigation, I come back to the investigation room, and I keep telling you this, but the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit keeps insisting that there is a lot to investigate. The Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit has a lot to investigate, and anyway, it has to use 48 hours very well, but from that point of view, I think I can say that I don't have enough time. I think security-related issues can also be mentioned to go back and forth. And although the eyes and ears are so focused on the situation and the travel time is a problem, considering the possibility of a conflict between citizens' positions in favor of and against this situation in the process of movement, I think the possibility of setting up spaces in the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and resting there and sleeping there while being guarded is still open.

[Anchor]
Baek Jong-gyu from the Ministry of Social Affairs is also next to me. An incumbent president has been arrested by an investigative agency for the first time. It's the first time in constitutional history, and how many days has it been since the emergency martial law occurred?

[Reporter]
The Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit today arrested the president of Yoon Suk Yeol, who is suspected of being the head of an insurrection. It's been 43 days since the emergency martial law occurred. As you said, it is the first time in constitutional history that an incumbent president has been arrested by an investigative agency. The Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit says it has been investigating President Yoon Suk Yeol since 11 o'clock. We plan to request an arrest warrant within 48 hours. According to the summary of the execution, eight days after the second arrest warrant was issued. 12 days after the first arrest warrant was executed, and 42 days after the martial law was declared, President Yoon Suk Yeol was arrested for the first time as a sitting president.

[Anchor]
It is said that President Yoon has expressed his intention to attend voluntarily. But in the end, I don't think we discussed it with the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit.

[Reporter]
That's right. First of all, prosecutors from the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit went into the official residence. After that, he would have met with the lawyers of President Yoon Suk Yeol, including lawyer Yoon Gap-geun. I think we discussed the way it was enforced at the time. The Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit made it clear that it was an arrest based on the execution of an arrest warrant issued by the court. As a result, he stressed that he would go to the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit after arresting him, while President Yoon expressed his intention to take the form of voluntary attendance, and coordination continued between the two sides. In the end, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit executed an arrest warrant and then a warrant after arresting President Yoon Suk Yeol, so it would be better to use the word "confrontation" rather than transfer.

Because it has a forced meaning. That's why I think you should understand that President Yoon Suk Yeol, in fact, was sent by a security guard vehicle. And after that, the lawyers for President Yoon Suk Yeol keep talking like this. I keep saying that this is the president's attendance, not because we were arrested. [Anchor] In President Yoon's message, he also expressed attendance.

[Reporter]
That's right. The message from the president of Yoon Suk Yeol did not mention arrest. He talked in the form of voluntary attendance, to avoid bloodshed, and to prevent inconvenience to citizens, but in fact, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit executed an arrest warrant. I think I can say that I was arrested because I executed it and I was sent away.

[Anchor]
When moving to the airlift, didn't you take a security guard vehicle? Is there no legal problem with this at all?

[Lim Joo-hye]
I think there was room for discretion as to how to escort it. The current situation is the sitting president. Although his duties have been suspended, he has no choice but to consider his status as an incumbent president. If you look at the process of the arrest being carried out earlier, from the early hours of the morning, so many citizens, lawmakers, and security officials trying to stop this arrest were very crowded. In the process, if the images of getting on and leaving the convoy are exposed, there will be citizens who support President Yoon Suk Yeol for this incident anyway, and some citizens who insist that President Yoon Suk Yeol be arrested, so much so that citizens can think of it as one of the efforts to block areas that could lead to armed conflict. So, I think they are trying to avoid these parts by boarding a security vehicle rather than boarding a convoy.

In any case, considering the need for security and the safety of other citizens, there seems to have been coordination between the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and the Security Service for a long time, given that it was the first time that an arrest warrant was executed by an incumbent president. After entering the official residence, it seems that the security personnel and the airborne personnel have been discussing the security for a long time now. In the process, considering the fact that the investigation office of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit went through a process to enter the investigation room, and considering the status of the incumbent president, these were agreed upon after discussing how to protect the security and conduct identification of explosives.

[Anchor]
So, there were aspects in which various movements were carried out quickly, and even after arriving at the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, a vehicle entered a simple structure and was not exposed to the camera, but this was discussed in detail. Can we see it like this?

[Reporter]
For now, his duties have been suspended, but the incumbent president is subject to security under the Security Act. Therefore, there will be some information discussed in advance. Security was carried out according to the security manual. Once the president moves to a place, a building, the entire floor of the building is empty. When the guard enters the building. That's why the security guards left before President Yoon, after entering the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. So I would have gone and emptied one floor and checked in advance if there were any explosives or harmful environments. After checking all those parts, the president seems to have arrived after the surrounding arrangements were completed that the president of Yoon Suk Yeol could come now.

However, the inside of the security office says there is a little internal division right now, and you recognize that the inside of the security office is not good right now. In fact, if you look at the screen that the president is looking at, the president should not even show that back. You can't even show the back of the guard. Because according to the security's work rules, if the president shows his back or something like this, he can be exposed to a harmful environment. Therefore, that appearance may not have been intended, but it can be said that it showed some weakness.

[Anchor]
Looking at the situation yesterday and then, there was a rumor that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, the police, and the security service gathered and met, but only checked the difference between each other's positions. But if you look at today's progress, it makes you think that something might have been discussed in advance. What did you think?

[Lim Joo-hye]
We tried to hold consultations between the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, the police, and the security service, but we turned around after checking the difference in positions with each other. However, if you look at it today, it can be evaluated that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and the police have been fully prepared and have started executing the second arrest warrant. Already from yesterday, I will try to execute the arrest warrant today, that is, on January 15, the time will be earlier in the morning, 5 o'clock. These stories have already been released, so in fact, the surprise or confidentiality of the arrest warrant was not guaranteed.

Nevertheless, the police's manpower and cooperation were sufficient, and the security seems to have felt a little burdened by preventing the execution of the arrest warrant more intensely than at the time of the first execution. As a result, it can be said that the security agency responded more passively to the execution of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit than the first, rather than having been discussed in advance. As a result, the first cordon, the second cordon, and the entrance into the official residence were carried out without difficulty, and it seemed that this was done well sequentially because of the fact that the security service was slightly flimsier than the first execution. I think the difference between the two sides was too large to be discussed in advance.

[Anchor]
President Yoon Suk Yeol is now being investigated by the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, and this part has not been confirmed as to what time lunch time has been set. Even in this situation, which is being investigated by the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit regarding various security matters, security is still being carried out anyway. There is also an analysis that if you move to a detention center, security may become more difficult.

[Lim Joo-hye]
That's right. In fact, there are aspects to consider right now. Still suspended from office, but he is the sitting president. It is the first time that an incumbent president is arrested anyway, and if he moves to a detention center, what should he do to protect him? I've never done this before. Of course, it can be done accordingly in light of the cases of former presidents, but I think the moving process will be very difficult. Because so many eyes and ears are focused on this. If so, the process of moving from the airborne office located in Gwacheon to the Seoul Detention Center is also not easy to guard. Even if you enter the detention center, there is no decision on how to protect you after that, so I think there will be some discussions between the security and the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit as the investigation proceeds.

[Anchor]
The current movement problem is bound to be quite complicated, right?

[Reporter]
That's right. Now, what both the president of Yoon Suk Yeol and the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit want is that the president will not move to the Seoul Detention Center. Because from the point of view of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, an arrest warrant must be requested within 48 hours. I don't have much time to do research. And from President Yoon's point of view, he has resisted arrest and such coercive investigation methods. But the president is being detained? This would not be acceptable on the part of the President of Yoon Suk Yeol. That's why there can be situations where the president is now investigated by the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and continues to be investigated without going to the Seoul Detention Center. Therefore, if the investigation is prolonged, you do not have to move to the Seoul Detention Center. Therefore, since there is a separate rest area in the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, it seems that it will be possible to rest in that rest area and be investigated later.

[Anchor]
Tomorrow is scheduled for the second hearing of President Yoon's impeachment trial. Is there any problem in attending the actual impeachment trial even if President Yoon is detained?

[Lim Joo-hye]
It's really an unprecedented situation. In the case of past impeachment trials, there was no such problem because they were investigated after impeachment or were subject to investigation after their term ended, but in this case, it is a very complicated situation. In the current situation where the status of the incumbent president is maintained, the impeachment trial has been conducted, and a date related to the impeachment trial is scheduled for the Constitutional Court, and the arrest has been made a day before this date. If President Yoon Suk Yeol makes a request to the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and I say I will attend the impeachment trial tomorrow at the Constitutional Court, it will be necessary to consider how the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit will allow this, but if you try to find a basis for not allowing it, it will be difficult to not allow it again.

In fact, in terms of time, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is bound to be pressed for time. In addition, from the perspective of the President of Yoon Suk Yeol, if you attend the hearing date of the Constitutional Court right now, the situation is recorded as it is, and it is released when the pleading is terminated. It is also a very burdensome situation to attend here and open any of your arguments. In the case of the second Constitutional Court hearing date, even if President Yoon Suk Yeol does not attend, it is not unreasonable to proceed with the hearing because a lawyer is appointed now. As he was already absent on the first hearing date, the court also rejected President Yoon Suk Yeol's request to avoid the Constitutional Court, and rejected the objections to the collective designation of the date, saying that he would proceed with the hearing even if he did not attend from the second hearing date.

In fact, even if President Yoon Suk Yeol does not attend, the progress of the constitutional trial is not too difficult. In the midst of these complicated situations and arrests, President Yoon Suk Yeol is still cautious about not attending until the second hearing date.

[Anchor]
Reporter Baek Jong Kyu, the screen keeps coming out.I think it would be good to point back to the situation this morning. In fact, when the second round of execution is imminent, people say that it will take two nights and three days, that you can set up a tent. However, the arrest warrant was executed earlier than expected, so how did the internal atmosphere of the security service change so that this was possible?

[Reporter]
Actually, the police had a three-way meeting yesterday. Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, Police, Presidential Security Service. In fact, I can understand that they are building a justification for a peaceful arrest to prevent bloodshed. I used a positive temperature strategy. The police said they would face criminal punishment if they interfered with the execution of the arrest warrant, and if they refused the command's illegal order, the employee would be punished.

It's actually divided in this situation. "Inside the atmosphere. The command should push hard because it is a hard-line man, and let's just accept the situation moderately for those below the managerial level." I think it was like, "Let's focus on the minimum manual." Therefore, it seems that the police have implemented this positive temperature strategy with the intention of facilitating the execution of the arrest warrant while inducing division and deepening internal strife ahead of the second execution of the arrest warrant.

And yesterday, five commanders of the security service were booked on charges of obstructing the execution of special public affairs. Former director Park Jong-joon and two others were investigated, and in the meantime, there is a person named Kim Shin, the head of the family. This is the manager guarding President Yoon's family nearby. I'm the head of the family.

[Anchor]
Are you known as a hardliner?

[Reporter]
That's right. But now, all the people who were in the second grade have been booked, but only General Manager Kim Shin is in the third grade. It's like a general manager. However, some analysts say that the announcement of Kim Shin, the head of the family, was aimed at a division within the security office. Therefore, it seems that the police executed the second arrest warrant, judging that today is the only time when the division within the security service is maximized.

[Anchor]
Has the Deputy Security Officer got an arrest warrant? Is that not confirmed?

[Reporter]
So far, it has not been confirmed whether the arrest warrant for Deputy Security Officer Kim Sung-hoon has been executed. But I said this before the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. It is highly likely that he did it first because he said he would arrest Kim Sung-hoon, deputy head of the security service, and execute an arrest warrant for President Yoon Suk Yeol.

[Anchor]
So far, there has been no news that an arrest warrant has been executed for Kim Sung-hoon, the deputy head of the security service, and Lee Kwang-woo, the head of the security headquarters, but a warrant has been issued. An arrest warrant has been issued, so is it possible to not execute the arrest warrant in this situation?

[Lim Joo-hye]
That's right. In some cases, arrest warrants have been issued, but we confirmed that arrest warrants have an expiration date while watching President Yoon Suk Yeol's process of issuing arrest warrants. It's valid if it's executed within this validity period, but if you find it, you should arrest it immediately, it's not like this. There seems to be an investigation in many cases. In fact, an arrest warrant was issued for Kim Sung-hoon, deputy head of the security service, and Lee Kwang-woo, deputy head of the security headquarters. In the case of Kim Sung-hoon, an arrest warrant was issued, and while executing the arrest warrant for President Yoon Suk Yeol, he continued to emphasize that the deputy head of security and the head of the security headquarters would also execute the arrest warrant.

[Anchor]
But is it also intended that it is not known for sure now? What do you think?

[Lim Joo-hye]
I think that could be the case. I think I was aiming for internal agitation by saying that I would continue to execute, I would, and I would. In some cases, there was a possibility of simultaneous execution, or Kim Sung-hoon and Lee Kwang-woo, deputy head of the bodyguard, were able to arrest President Yoon Suk Yeol before executing an arrest warrant for him for resistance or internal disturbance by the bodyguard, and this part was initially executed and then not executed, but the police have not confirmed the facts, so we need to watch this part, but I think the police also evaluated this as not a very urgent situation because the target of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit succeeded in arresting President Yoon Suk Yeol.

[Anchor]
Anyway, in conclusion, is it possible to see that the psychological warfare against the police's bodyguard has worked to some extent?

[Lim Joo-hye]
That's right. There's that part. First, I sent an official letter before I tried to execute it. The Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit sent an official letter to the Security Service, saying, "If you prevent the execution of a legitimate warrant, you can be held liable for civil damages, criminal responsibility for obstructing the execution of special public affairs, and because the Security Service is a public official, you will lose your position as a public official or have a pension disadvantage if you receive criminal punishment." In fact, rather than really intending to claim civil damages, there was clearly an aspect that this was seen as a psychological battle. So, these parts seem to have worked to some extent, and from the perspective of the security service, it can be evaluated that there is an aspect of performing the original security work. It is thought that the police have not revealed exactly how the arrest was carried out, because unreasonable arrest or forced punishment may be hit by another counterattack.

[Reporter]
The police situation is that they have not arrested Kim Sung-hoon, deputy head of the security service, and Lee Kwang-woo, head of the security headquarters. Although an arrest warrant was issued, the police reported that they were promised to attend with their lawyers after the security and did not arrest them because security for President Yoon Suk Yeol is a priority. This is what the police told reporters. First of all, there was a situation where the incumbent president had to move to the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit after being arrested today. Also, if you move to the Seoul Detention Center, security must be provided at that time. Therefore, since security is a priority, he did not arrest him by saying that he would come out with his lawyer and be investigated after completing the security.

[Anchor]
So Deputy Chief Kim Sung-hoon and Director Lee Kwang-woo are still working on security, right?

[Reporter]
If you look at what the police have said now, first of all, the organization that the presidential security is the top priority is the presidential security service, so you have to focus on that part. If there is a fear of escape or something like this, if there is a fear of destroying evidence, there will be a request for an arrest warrant again or something like this. And I think that's a problem that you don't have to worry too much about because you can choose a forced investigation method.

[Anchor]
From the point of view of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, the reason why the warrant was not executed at the time was that some of the command would voluntarily attend after the security was over, can it be said that you understood like this?

[Lim Joo-hye]
First of all, it was the police who issued a warrant for key personnel of the security service for the security service's work. As the police said they would attend with their lawyers after completing the security work, as the reporter explained earlier, the deputy security chief was already the acting chief of security so that they could carry out the security work rather than executing an arrest warrant right now. If an arrest warrant is executed against the leadership, there is no choice but to go to the acting system, and these seem to have been considered realistically.

[Anchor]
I think it's such a consideration to prevent an excessive gap in security. I think we need to check how the president of Yoon Suk Yeol is doing during lunch time later, but is Lee Jae-seung, the deputy chief of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, doing the investigation himself?

[Reporter]
That's right. Deputy Director Lee Jae-seung was a prosecutor. He is a prosecutor and is in the 30th class of the Judicial Research and Training Institute, but he is 7th class below the president of Yoon Suk Yeol. Therefore, it seems that Deputy Director Lee Jae-seung's direct investigation takes into account the seriousness of the issue of the incumbent president's case. Presidential lawyers Kim Hong-il and Yoon Gap-geun and Song Hae-eun are known to have joined the investigation. All of these lawyers are known as representative violent and special prosecutors while serving as prosecutors.

So, there is a situation where all the former prosecutors are in one place. First of all, I think we will investigate President Yoon's declaration of unconstitutional and illegal martial law, his declaration of illegal martial law, the police, and the obstruction of voting rights to lift martial law, and illegal arrest, such as representatives of the ruling and opposition parties who are not required to be arrested. As you said, it is known that there are more than 200 pages of questionnaires in the investigation, but in fact, due to the delay in the second execution, it may be much more than 200 pages. It could have been more.

That's why the investigation should be conducted within 48 hours, but this is a very tight time. From the point of view of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, the police, and the Joint That's why I think I'll focus on the investigation as much as possible. So, it seems that the process of giving a very short break and investigating right away will continue. However, the president of Yoon Suk Yeol kept saying this.

There is no investigation into the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. I said that I cannot be investigated by the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit because it is an organization that cannot investigate the crime of rebellion. That's why there's a high possibility of using the right to reject statements. Then, there may be a situation in which the situation may become difficult for the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit or the President of Yoon Suk Yeol, but the president is likely to use the right to refuse to make a statement. Because what I've been talking about has been continuing to say that he will come to the Constitutional Court and express his position.

And if the president comes out and makes a statement in the investigation of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, I will not be investigated by the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, and all the warrants requested by the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit to the Western District Court are illegal and invalid, all of which have been held so far will collapse. That's why I think I'll use the right to reject statements.

[Anchor]
President Yoon claimed that it was illegal to request an arrest warrant from the Western District Court. If you request an arrest warrant again, isn't it highly likely that you will also request it to the Western District Court?

[Lim Joo-hye]
This can be very complicated. In general cases, if you request an arrest warrant from the Western District Court and obtain an issuance, in normal cases, you will also request and receive an arrest warrant from the Western District Court. In a way, this can be seen as a general situation, but there are regulations with the specificity of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. There are cases in which the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit has the right to investigate, and cases that have the right to prosecute and cases that do not have are divided.

However, a case in which the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit does not have the authority to prosecute, the representative thing now is the crime of rebellion.
For such cases, we are supposed to hand over the prosecution to the Seoul District Prosecutors' Office. Then I'll go to the Seoul Central District Prosecutors' Office. Then, in general, you are required to request a warrant from the Seoul Central District Court again. Based on this provision, President Yoon Suk Yeol's request for a warrant with the Western District Court is problematic. In this regard, if the general criminal procedure law is applied mutatis mutandis, the Western District Court has jurisdiction over the place where the presidential residence, which can now be regarded as an address, is located.

Then there is no problem, and if the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit requests an arrest warrant in the Western District Court this time, President Yoon Suk Yeol may repeat the argument that there is a problem with this part again. Based on the relevant laws and regulations, if an arrest warrant is requested to the Central District Court, this part will then be accepted by President Yoon Suk Yeol, and this part is still unknown. There are many cases, so the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit has no choice but to think a lot about where to claim an arrest warrant.

[Reporter]
President Yoon Suk Yeol, who believes that he does not have the authority to investigate the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit at all, will take issue with both requests. Because wouldn't the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit ask for a warrant after being investigated by the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit? However, regardless of whether it is the Western District Court or the Seoul Central District Court, it is recognized that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit has the right to investigate. That's why you probably can't claim both, but once you claim both the Western District Court and the Central District Court, Yoon Suk Yeol's side is likely to take issue with both.

[Anchor]
Which side do you expect reporter Baek Jong-gyu to claim?

[Reporter]
First of all, I got two arrest warrants. Therefore, I think that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit will first request a warrant from the Seoul Western District Court.

[Anchor]
Is President Yoon now claiming that he should hand over the investigation authority to the police or prosecution, not to the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit?

[Lim Joo-hye]
In fact, that's how it is. However, rather than this argument, the focus is on the fact that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit does not have at least the right to investigate, as the reporter pointed out so far. That's why we're taking this position that all the processes that are going on, the application or issuance of arrest warrants, the execution today, and the investigation that's going on are all illegal.

[Anchor]
At this point, the argument that hand it over to the police has become meaningless.

[Lim Joo-hye]
You can say that. While it has already been this far, the question of what has been done so far remains, so rather than discussing the transfer at this point, Yoon Suk Yeol's president is collecting evidence one by one in the future, which is the evidence collected in an illegal way. There's a problem, there's a good chance that you're going to make a problem like this. As you mentioned earlier, I actually agree, but I have no choice but to take issue with this part even if a warrant is requested in any district court. more than requested by the Airborne Division It seems highly likely that these parts will continue to lead to legal issues.

[Anchor]
What content was focused on the more than 200 pages of questionnaire, and this part is also of interest, so what charges do you ask first and most importantly? What if you usually do research?

[Lim Joo-hye]
In fact, this may vary depending on how the investigation is conducted. This can be seen as a technique for investigating, and for what reason and why did you declare the December 3 emergency martial law, you can ask this intention or purpose first. Or you can ask me a real mess. The focus is on finding out the truth according to the situation, so I asked him what he thought when he made this statement, and he suddenly brought another witness and someone else made this statement, so what do you think about it, you can talk about it all mixed up.

Or you can really ask when this emergency martial law discussion first took place and what process it went through afterwards, depending on the order of time. But what's clear is that what's at stake right now is whether President Yoon Suk Yeol played that role as the head of the rebellion. Since most of the people involved are already being prosecuted in custody or are under investigation now, the statements will be made, and I think the questions will be focused on matching those statements and President Yoon Suk Yeol's answers. However, the question is to what extent will there be a solid answer, and this part is still unknown.

[Anchor]
But the prosecution has secured where the key people are now. Then, from the standpoint of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, will the question be asked based on the analysis of the data received by the prosecution?

[Lim Joo-hye]
That's right. But it's still unclear to what extent the prosecution would have cooperated with the data. There are also people secured by the prosecution. In the case of Police Commissioner Jo Ji-ho, there are also people secured by the police. Of course, data will be exchanged through one investigation headquarters and cooperated with each other in certain areas, but we don't know how far cooperation is made and how far data is secured. But as long as the basic facts are the same, I think all agencies have a picture of when it started and what important people were there at that time and what happened that day. That's why I think the process of focusing on the content will be contained in the questionnaire about President Yoon Suk Yeol, which is known to have more than 200 pages.

[Anchor]
The content itself is so vast that I don't think I can actually ask all of them in the 48 hours given, and I think I'll ask the most obvious questions in it, but in your opinion, what are the most obvious parts of the crime?

[Lim Joo-hye]
In fact, it's hard to digest all of these just because there are a lot of questionnaires. It may be difficult to digest all of this, but in the current situation, President Yoon Suk Yeol is very likely to exercise his right to remain silent, so even if there is such a questionnaire, it seems very likely that a substantial investigation will not proceed. Of course, the investigative agency's Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit will try to ask questions about whether the National Election Commission or the National Assembly has actually tried to suppress these parts by force to argue for the illegality of the declaration of emergency martial law, whether there have been discussions about the use of weapons in the process, and whether such things have directly restricted the basic rights of the people.

[Anchor]
The Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is investigating in the video recording room, and there is a prospect that President Yoon Suk Yeol is likely to exercise his right to refuse to make a statement. President Yoon Suk Yeol has been waging a kind of public opinion campaign against supporters and the public through video messages and such since the declaration of martial law. First of all, it is expected that the right to refuse to make a statement will be exercised, but there is a high possibility that the Constitutional Court will come out in person and express its position, right?

[Reporter]
That's right. First of all, if you keep looking at what the lawyers for the president of Yoon Suk Yeol have said. The president of Yoon Suk Yeol will not be investigated.
But I will not be investigated by the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. However, after coming to the Constitutional Court, he has said that he will come out at the right time and let the people know his will.

[Anchor]
When will it come out?

[Reporter]
That's why tomorrow is the second argument. I don't think it'll be possible tomorrow, actually. Because the president of Yoon Suk Yeol said this. There are concerns about personal safety and security. I discussed that with the Constitutional Court and said that this is also a problem to be solved. It's said that he's actually been arrested, but all the security issues haven't disappeared now. That's why I think it's a little hard to come out in the current situation. And from the perspective of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, the investigation has to be completed within 48 hours. So when Oh Dong-woon, the head of the airborne division, welcomed President Yoon today, there were many stories about whether to have tea time. But he didn't do that and started investigating right away.

[Anchor]
Was it meant to be?

[Reporter]
That could be the case. If you look at the series of situations so far. That's why it seems difficult to come out tomorrow. If the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit requests an arrest warrant within 48 hours, it could be effectively an arrest.

[Anchor]
If it's issued.

[Reporter]
That's right. I think it'll be possible after that. Since then, President Yoon Suk Yeol has been focusing on public opinion campaigns, and since then, the president has been arrested for the first time, he has said that the president will appear at some point to talk about the investigation of investigative agencies and the impeachment trial of the Constitutional Court. Therefore, I think there is a possibility that the president will come out in the future, even if not tomorrow.

[Anchor]
I think President Yoon is trying to respond more actively to the impeachment trial. Is there a reason for this?

[Lim Joo-hye]
First of all, it can be seen that the characteristics of the impeachment trial and the criminal trial for civil war, which is in question this time, are different.
Is the impeachment trial literally a violation of the constitution to the extent that President Yoon Suk Yeol's Declaration of Emergency Security on December 3 cannot continue as president? So this is the issue of whether you can or can't serve as president. In the case of rebellion charges, the Dec. 3 Declaration of Emergency Security is a criminal offense, and it seems that their characteristics are actually different because they are arguing over it, but from the perspective of President Yoon Suk Yeol, they are at the crossroads of whether to become an incumbent president or a former president. If so, it seems that President Yoon Suk Yeol has no choice but to establish such a strategy to focus on the impeachment trial first. We are at the crossroads of whether we are currently working or changing jobs, but first of all, criminal trials take a long time.

It took this much time to execute the arrest warrant for rebellion, but it hasn't even started yet. No charges have been filed. There is no choice but to go to the first, second, and Supreme Court, but the criminal trial of this rebellion seems to be a situation that can literally take years. However, there is also a time limit of 180 days in the case of an impeachment trial. In addition, given the urgency of the situation, I think President Yoon Suk Yeol is looking forward to the possibility that even if there are some problems with the December 3 emergency martial law and some violations of the law, it is not a serious violation of the law that can affect the reason for impeachment.

[Anchor]
Regarding the impeachment trial strategy, there were many predictions that the president of Yoon Suk Yeol would use a time-consuming strategy, and that's why he was applying for witnesses. What kind of movement are you making now?

[Reporter]
There was a case where the president of Yoon Suk Yeol first applied for the challenge of the judge. It was rejected. Then, setting the date five times at a time also became a problem. I've been taking issue with these parts. First of all, the Constitutional Court continues to examine whether there is a problem with this through a meeting of judges or not when the president raises an objection. However, the conclusion that there is no problem continues. However, it seems that the president will continue to use the 180-day period. Because, in fact, when the Constitutional Court's judgment comes out, the part that can be maintained or ended as president is completely determined.

That's why the president's side has continued to do it while continuing to drag on and compete for public opinion. It is expected that we will continue these situations by gathering supporters, giving voice to supporters, and holding time-consuming strategies and public opinion campaigns at the same time.

[Anchor]
If the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit makes a request for a warrant, the warrant will be issued through the warrant review and the arrest will be decided. Finally, if you go to a scenario where you are arrested briefly, will you be guaranteed to attend the Constitutional Court even if you are arrested?

[Lim Joo-hye]
That's right. If you're going to attend, you can attend considering various situations, whether it's a way to take a convoy. However, from the perspective of President Yoon Suk Yeol, he participates in the constitutional trial of impeachment while in custody due to a criminal trial for rebellion? In fact, although it is a different trial, it seems to have no choice but to have an impact. The people and the Constitutional Court are watching the process of arrest today.

It is clear that there are great restrictions on the exercise of defense rights, so I think President Yoon Suk Yeol is also emphasizing that there is no need for arrest and the legality of arrest warrants to at least avoid that.

[Anchor]
It's been more than two hours since the investigation began. It's way over. It seems that the investigation is continuing. We will let you know as soon as we receive additional information regarding the investigation situation. Until now, this has been reporter Baek Jong-gyu and lawyer Lim Joo-hye. Thank you.