President Yoon's arrest...a message of imprisonment in a court rampage

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■ Starring: Lee Jong-geun, current affairs critic, Professor Bae Jong-ho of Seha University

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[Anchor] An arrest warrant was issued for President ∀ after 47 days of
'12.3 emergency martial law incident. As the wavelength is large, the evaluation of the ruling and opposition parties is also sharply divided. After the issuance of the presidential arrest warrant, I will look forward to it with the two political parties. Lee Jong-geun, a current affairs critic, and Bae Jong-ho, a professor at Seha University, are here. Welcome, two of you. For the first time in constitutional history, an arrest warrant has been issued for a sitting president. It came out around 3 a.m. this morning, when did you hear about it?

[Lee Jong-geun]
I opened my eyes at around 6 a.m. and checked it. In fact, it was hard to know when the decision would be made, and there are cases where decisions are usually made in the morning, so I woke up around 6 o'clock and looked at it, and it was already a time when the announcement was made and the Western District Court was completely stained with violent protests. This is what I thought. I'm not in favor of President Yoon's martial law, but nevertheless, wouldn't there be another case of detaining the incumbent president? So, we need to properly conduct the president's Constitutional Court hearing, quote it, or dismiss it, so that everyone can exercise their right to defend themselves properly in order to be able to nod their heads. Then, if the current president is arrested and tried, look, I can't accept it because I didn't exercise my right to defend properly in a procedural process. Wouldn't it be a shame to talk to your supporters like this? So anyway, I was hoping that it would have been better to prosecute without detention because it was no different from being under house arrest to exercise the right to defend, not to do well or to commit the ball, but anyway, an arrest warrant was issued.

[Anchor]
That's how you saw it. It should have guaranteed the right to defend the incumbent president. Did the professor stay up all night? How did you like it?

[Bae Jong Ho]
In this regard, I think most of the people have been unable to sleep and have been paying keen attention to how it will proceed. I think I was one of those people. First of all, our critic has the right to defend the suspect. In particular, he said that as he is the president, he should guarantee his right to defend himself even more, but in my opinion, President Yoon Suk Yeol did not exercise his right to defend himself enough. That's what I think. Because I filed an objection when the arrest warrant was issued. Also, he requested the legality of the arrest warrant, but it was rejected, right? And since he was requested for an arrest warrant, he attended the actual examination and expressed his legitimacy for as many as 40 minutes before executing the arrest warrant. So it seems that the right to defend the suspect has been fully exercised. However, I think our critic is talking about two things. One is why they should have been forcibly arrested and another is why they should be arrested. These are two things, and President Yoon Suk Yeol brought it on himself in this regard. First of all, regarding the forced arrest, the investigative agency requested attendance three times, especially the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. However, he refused to attend this part, so he requested an arrest warrant for it. So the court recognized that this person needed to be arrested and issued two arrest warrants, and in the process, President Yoon Suk Yeol used the physical force of the security service to prevent the execution of the arrest warrant. So, then he requested an arrest warrant, saying that he needed to be arrested, and in this regard, the judge on the warrant said that he needed to issue an arrest warrant, so I think he was arrested and his person is now being arrested.

[Anchor]
So Judge Cha Eun-kyung of the Western District Court. Didn't you issue a warrant for fear of destroying evidence? But didn't he admit to the charge of a rebellion? Such an analysis is being made because the judge clearly did not talk about this part.

[Lee Jong-geun]
That's right. Actually, what I want from Judge Cha is that it was quite long when Judge Yoo dismissed it last time regarding Representative Lee Jae-myung, various reasons. Among them, there may be disagreements, but in any case, each of the four charges expressed his opinion and presented one basis, but of course, I don't know if I will present the ruling related to the arrest warrant again. However, there is a concern of destroying evidence. That's how it ended. I think that's where the debate can continue. Because what is evidence destruction? Insurrection is an organized crime. I can't do it by myself, right? So there's a leader of the rebellion, there's a major mission worker under the direction of the leader, and there's a participant under the actual direction of the major mission worker, right? The crime organized by the organization is a crime of rebellion, but all major mission workers and participants are currently being arrested and tried. Then, it becomes impossible to make a kiss. Even if we actually call and kiss each other, isn't it impossible with all the people in custody right now, and isn't it actually under house arrest? Since it is almost impossible to get out of his official residence until the Constitutional Court hearing is over, concerns about flight and destruction of evidence have been significantly reduced, but he had to express that as a concern about destruction of evidence. So the crime of rebellion now is just as serious. The case is a serious crime. This may be possible, but even the head of the civil war is not in a situation where they can kiss.
So I think there's actually a lot of concern about destroying evidence.

[Anchor]
Professor.

[Bae Jong Ho]
First of all, there is one evaluation that the person evaluation of Cha Eun-kyung, a judge in the warrant office, is politically colorless and tasteless, and secondly, a competent judge in the middle. That's how I'm being evaluated. Therefore, regarding the lack of political bias, the former head of the department Jeong Jin-sang, the right-hand man of representative Lee Jae-myung, was rejected by an arrest suit, and the conviction of lawmaker Jang Je-won's rapper son is quite politically colorless. I want to believe that I made a fair judgment this time. And there are three main things that are most important when issuing a warrant. First of all, has the criminal charge been cleared? And secondly, is there any fear of destroying evidence or fleeing? And the third is the importance of the issue. First of all, the charges were unconstitutional emergency martial law and too many specific statements. So get the lawmakers out, even if they shoot or smash the door of the National Assembly with an axe. To prevent a resolution to cancel the emergency martial law in the National Assembly. And because there are such things as mobilizing the arrest team, the charges were so clearly clarified, and I think this part, which defended the execution of the arrest warrant with physical force regarding the destruction of evidence and the fear of flight, gave the warrant judge a negative image. So, for me, the meaning of issuing a warrant this time is very important, because President Yoon Suk Yeol was actually dragged down from the presidency 47 days after declaring an emergency martial law and has now been arrested. What this story is about is that the president of Yoon Suk Yeol will be dealt with according to the judicial process in the future. Therefore, the impeachment trial will proceed according to the procedure, and in particular, the prosecution will be arrested and prosecuted in the future and put to trial. So, I would like to say that it is meaningful that uncertainty has been considerably removed.

[Anchor]
I have a lot of questions today and I don't have much time, so please make it short little by little. The critic briefly said this today.Those who woke up in the morning and watched the news would have been very surprised by the news of the issuance of the warrant, and the violence of supporters breaking into the Western District Court. How did you like it?

[Lee Jong-geun]
Nothing can be achieved through violence. The reason why democracy becomes democracy is because before modern democracy, I actually carried out my opinion with a gun and a knife. But instead of guns and knives, the ballot box was built. Let's put down our guns and knives and follow the opinion of more people through voting. This is by agreement. By doing so, the three books become separate. However, the results of the violent exercise of the Western District Court now ask those who support President Yoon. What did you get as a result? Were you able to actually protect President Yoon? Or were you able to overturn the outcome of the arrest warrant? That's not true. Rather, public opinion about President Yoon will get worse. So who is the most responsible? I think the first one is with President Yoon and the lawyers. In the meantime, I should have told you in advance that the expressions should be properly and peacefully. I should have managed that. But President Yoon made this comment. I talked about the party, but I expressed my envy of my country. Therefore, even if the Democratic Party's approval rating falls, the people's power is too exemplary, expressing, "Didn't you support your country at that time?" But when the supporters accepted it, wasn't there a huge number of people participating in rallies related to their country at the time? So, just like those who support former representative Cho Kuk, we should be more active in supporting President Yoon. I think there was a part where it could sound like this. The lawyers also expressed this on the day the arrest warrant was executed. If the supporters were more active. There was a time when I expressed it like this. So these parts, of course, are not intended, but if we had blocked President Yoon more with our bodies to the people who came to the rally. Didn't this regret lead to such a stimulating situation?

[Anchor]
Supporters thought that the violence today was not helpful to President Yoon at all, but President Yoon issued a statement to the prison today. Please refrain. And please express your opinion in a peaceful way. Can I see this for the same purpose then?

[Bae Jong Ho]
Once President Yoon Suk Yeol asked me to do it peacefully, I would applaud him for doing a great job, but there are so many negative things about Plus Alpha. There are two things, and one is that I talked about the tolerance of the police. At the same time, the violence and the police's response were on the same line. That was very inappropriate for me.

[Anchor]
Please say that the words of tolerance should be resolved smoothly with a tolerant attitude rather than a hard-line response. That I asked the police.

[Bae Jong Ho]
That's right. So I preached the logic that one thing was there, and secondly, my emergency martial law was justified. If so, this is a political message, but I have to raise such concerns that I talk about peace in front of me, but I continue to promote it in the background. And the reason why they are serious in this case is that violence is serious, but we are very concerned that they stormed into the judiciary, which is the bastion of democracy, which is the basis of our society, and that they may have a false conviction that this can be solved by violence beyond just emotions. There is honestly such personal concern that such false conviction may now be in line with the delusion of President Yoon Suk Yeol, who caused the December 3 emergency martial law by mobilizing the military. So, I would like to take this opportunity to emphasize that the law enforcement authorities are saying that this is really severe and that violence against the judiciary should never recur again.

[Anchor]
The police say there were more than 4,000 people in that area at that time. You couldn't block that. But today, it was not just against the Western District Court, there were a lot of reporters there, and the reporters were very threatened and they were violent. Camera is one of the weapons for reporters, because of his job. There are also cases where memory cards were taken away. I did get it back.E. They must have felt very threatening.

[Lee Jong-geun]
When I looked at the media today, I heard that almost all media, not just some, were quite threatened by the protesters now, and that a Hong Kong reporter had actually lost his memory card. I think it was quite intense. One thing I'm really disappointed about is that you told the police that there were 4,000 people, but this was expected. There are two reasons. The first one is Mapo right now. It's Gongdeok-dong, where the Western District Court is located. Numerous protesters have been protesting since noon in Gwanghwamun. I was having a rally. If we move to Gongdeok-dong from around 3 o'clock, anyone could have expected that the rally in Gwanghwamun would go to the Western District Court. There were almost tens of thousands of them. The second is that the convoy to the president was broken once. There was a time when the procession was stopped right in front of the Western District Court because supporters blocked it. Then this single second. So, if all the Gwanghwamun protesters come like this, what will happen to the Gongdeok-dong Rotary at the time, and if you block the procession from the supporters who were already gathered, isn't there something that reminds you of how the prosecutors and judges of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit will get out of here later? Then, shouldn't the flow have been persuaded to stop gathering in Mapo from the afternoon, regardless of how you persuade them or what you do? I think I didn't even get permission for a rally in Mapo anyway.

[Anchor]
So what the critic is saying is why the police didn't prepare in advance.

[Lee Jong-geun]
Shouldn't we have prepared to some extent?

[Anchor]
Floor leader Kwon Sung-dong talked about a slightly different resolution, pointing out the police's overreaction. How is this different?

[Lee Jong-geun]
Well, there are a lot of people who actually insist on overreacting.

[Anchor]
The purpose is that we can't hold protesters accountable unilaterally.

[Lee Jong-geun]
In some scenes, the police push a little bit violently, or they use shields as a way of wielding them. But I don't think that's how it usually started. It seems that the police were defending themselves in a situation where a lot of protesters had already been invaded. It happened because they provoked it as if they were talking about it. This is a violent scene by protesters, with no solid ground, and practically anyone can see it now, so I don't think it can be proven that way.

[Anchor]
Professor Bae, how do you respond to the police?

[Bae Jong Ho]
I think I did my best to respond to the police's response. Since the number of protest supporters is so large and they are so radical that it took three hours to suppress it, doesn't it mean that they broke the window, went into the court, and even searched for Judge Cha Eun-kyung? Fortunately, there was no judge in charge, but if there was an arrest by strong supporters at the scene, there would have been an unimaginable incident. In this situation, the police are now protecting themselves, and what else happened before that? There was a person who threatened to kill the judge, who was dismissed at an arrest suit, and is being arrested by the police and investigated, but this is far beyond normal. So what I want to emphasize is that the hard-line supporters, regardless of whether they are conservative or liberal, need to be sensible and look at the issue. In particular, it is a very wrong message for political leaders to say that they should not use such hatred or hate as the driving force, and especially in this situation, floor leader Kwon Sung-dong should reprimand him, and to send a message as if the police were responsible for causing this violence. Then, the power of the people is further neglected by the middle class, and it becomes a very bad signal in the future presidential election strategy or in the next local elections and general elections. If you continue like this, you will defend the civil war and eventually the power of the people will be reduced to the far-right conservative party and the Yeongnam Liberal Democratic Union. Floor leader Kwon Sung-dong will be responsible for this in the future.

[Anchor]
It wasn't just a confrontation between supporters and the police today. Both of you have continued the stories of politicians, and we will continue to talk about that. The ruling and opposition parties are sharply divided over the court's decision to issue an arrest warrant. Let's listen to the remarks first and continue.

[Kwon Young-se / People's Power Emergency Committee Chairman: Judicial proceedings should be carried out carefully and fairly and without any controversy or flaws. It shouldn't be a rubber band standard. ]

[Lee Jae-myung / Minjoo Party leader: With the power of our people, we will be able to recover the darkness that we lost for a while and move toward a new hope and a better world.... ]

[Anchor]
First of all, if you look at the ruling party's position, the presidential office also raised the issue of equity with opposition politicians today. As you heard earlier, Kwon Young-se, chairman of the emergency committee, should not be a rubber band standard. He made such a comment, but isn't this aimed at representative Lee Jae-myung and former representative Cho Kuk? It's pointed out like this.

[Lee Jong-geun]
That's right. I heard that CEO Lee Jae-myung's arrest warrant was rejected earlier, and as you may remember at the time, this is the story despite the fact that it was an explanation. The Opposition Leader is everyone's eyes. So it's a place where you can be criticized. Therefore, the gist of Judge Yoo's long ruling was that the fear of destroying evidence or fleeing was significantly reduced. If so, it can be applied equally to the president as to whether there can be a fear of escape when everyone's eyes are on the president, and the same can be applied to representative Cho Kuk. I didn't arrest him in court until the second trial, even though he was sentenced to prison. So didn't you make the party and do all kinds of political activities? Of course, he is currently in prison for a final judgment of the Supreme Court. If I tell you one more thing, I'll tell you the time. That's why President Yoon filed for a challenge against one constitutional judge. a political justice Except for the reason. But do you know how long it took to be dismissed? It was dismissed in just 20 hours. I said there was no reason for that, so I just moved on. But let's compare. Representative Lee Jae-myung has filed a challenge. A new judge for remittance to North Korea. But it's still not decided yet. It's taking 34 days. Of course, even if it's a court and you're a constitutional court, if you've talked about it for some reason, there's enough time to judge it.

[Anchor]
Has that not been decided yet?

[Lee Jong-geun]
That's right. It's the 34th. Defendant Lee Hwa-young also filed for challenge in the past, but it was decided in 77 days. So, one side is decided in 20 hours, and the other side is still undecided in 34 or 77 days. However, if the psychological date is confirmed, the people's claim that one side is a slow train and the other is KTX is reasonable to some extent.

[Anchor]
The standard by which the judiciary measures the ruling and opposition parties is a rubber band. This is the argument. How did you like it?

[Bae Jong Ho]
First of all, the basic logic of Kwon Young-se, chairman of the emergency committee, is to talk under the premise that they are the weak. So, the judiciary is now looking after the Democratic Party's representative Lee Jae-myung and being harsh on the president of Yoon Suk Yeol. Is this really convincing? Who appointed the Attorney General now? President Yoon Suk Yeol appointed the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court and President Yoon Suk Yeol appointed him. By the way, would the prosecutor general, the chief justice of the Supreme Court, the judiciary, and the prosecution side with President Yoon Suk Yeol or the representative Lee Jae-myung of the Democratic Party? I think this is not convincing at all. President Yoon Suk Yeol, the delegation, and the emergency committee chairman Kwon Young-se are all in the process of arresting the president. He continues to argue about how to forcibly arrest the president. This is a self-denial that Article 11 of the Constitution of the Republic of Korea and all citizens are equal before the law, and Kwon Young-se, chairman of the emergency committee, was also a former prosecutor. The president of Yoon Suk Yeol was also a former prosecutor general. So prosecutors say this. They do so internally, criticizing that they only know how to enforce the law but are weak in protecting the law. Therefore, I am concerned that Kwon Young-se, chairman of the emergency committee, and President Yoon Suk Yeol are still obsessed with such a sense of super-legal privilege that reigns over the law.

[Anchor]
This criticism came from the Democratic Party. President Yoon is strengthening his offensive against both the power of the people. Floor leader Park Chan-dae and President Yoon are fundamentally responsible. The critic said similarly about this earlier. Critics point out that these are provoking supporters as they continue to raise such things as illegal investigations by the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and complaints against the Western District Court. The critic briefly mentioned this part. Let's hear from the professor briefly.

[Bae Jong Ho]
First of all, didn't President Yoon Suk Yeol use his physical strength to stop the arrest warrant? At the same time, the logic of the argument is that the investigation is illegal. In addition, warrants issued by the court through due process are illegal. Then I'll fight until the end. I propagated to Plus supporters to fight until the end. So, it is possible to logically interpret that the mass disturbance and riot against the Western District Court have a direct causal relationship with President Yoon Suk Yeol's propaganda, and I think in President Yoon Suk Yeol's mind, there is such arrogance as being able to reign over the law, and at the same time, there is a thought that violence can solve everything. I think that such a misconception led to an act of rebellion by mobilizing the military to illegally declare emergency martial law, block the National Assembly, and arrest political leaders of the ruling and opposition parties and even the chairman of the National Assembly.

[Anchor]
If you have anything to add to the commentator.

[Lee Jong-geun]
Floor leader Park Chan-dae and the Democratic Party talk like this. That is why Kwon Young-se, chairman of the emergency committee, is talking like a wet blanket. Representative Lee Jae-myung says that he has never resisted judicial procedures. No. I'm not responding until now. Which one? a corporate credit card issue The prosecution constantly summoned the corporate card. I will look into it in other ways as well. I've never responded. First lady Kim Hye-kyung did it three times, so she responded once at the end, but she still refuses to comply to this day. However, talking like this is very disadvantageous to CEO Lee Jae-myung. Why? The people told the president that he should do this, and I will look at why the president did this when he delayed or avoided any further judicial risks to Lee Jae-myung.

[Bae Jong Ho]
I think I should make a short objection to this. First of all, CEO Lee Jae-myung has never mobilized the military to carry out emergency martial law. And like the president of Yoon Suk Yeol, an arrest warrant was issued, and I have never rejected it by showing my physical strength. Conversely, there have been 130 raids on Kim Hye-kyung. In addition, Lee Jae-myung has been close to 400 times, including as many as possible, so if he thought such a part needed a forced investigation, the prosecution would have requested an arrest warrant, and if he refused, he would have executed another arrest warrant and arrested him. That's what I'm saying.

[Anchor]
We'll be back with the Western District Court intrusion today. It is pointed out that Yoon Sang-hyun, a member of the People's Power, encouraged the court to storm the court, so could you please organize this first? Why did you bring this up?

[Bae Jong Ho]
So wasn't there a mob violence rampage in the Western District Court? But he sent me a message saying that these people would be released, and he sent me a text message. That's right. That's why this spread to all those involved. So there is a rumor that the violence in the Western District Court has spread further. I'm personally very concerned about Representative Yoon Sang-hyun. He is a person with very personal management skills and supporters who have been elected as an independent twice in the Seoul metropolitan area, but he is suddenly targeting the far-right asphalt in the recent situation. Then, he went to his official residence and bowed 90 degrees in front of Pastor Jeon Kwang-hoon, and he said he would become president in the future, so he made a big bow. However, I think he sees a strong 20% supporter and believes that his politics will help him challenge the presidential election in the future, but I would like to say that this is a defeat in the very long run.

[Anchor]
Rep. Yoon Sang-hyun explained about this today, right?


[Lee Jong-geun]
has been cleared. But I don't think that's actually going to be a big problem. Because it's after death. We're in trouble now and 86 people have been arrested. But texting them and telling them don't worry they're going to be released encouraged these violent protests? It doesn't add up. It's about people who have been arrested. Former representative Hwang Kyo-ahn is also offering to give free arguments to those arrested. However, it cannot be said that this encouraged violent protests, but the important part is different. Because lawmaker Yoon Sang-hyun attended the rally the most. I actually went to Hannam-dong almost every day. There are still some videos left at this time. What remains in the current community is that conservative YouTubers or religious people who led the rally should stop us with our bodies. If the arrest team comes now, we'll jump over the wall. There was a line of propaganda like this, but there are scenes where lawmaker Yoon Sang-hyun is on stage and nods without restraining it on stage. So, these parts should be actively explained by Rep. Yoon Sang-hyun. Because the police's investigation will probably start investigating those who led or led the assembly.

[Bae Jong Ho]
If I add a little bit, the prosecution and the police are all setting an arrest policy. So what charges do you apply to this. The crime of invading buildings, the crime of damaging public buildings, and the crime of obstructing the execution of public affairs. However, if you carry something like a weapon with a lot of power, it has a special feature. In that case, some say that if the maximum crime is applied, he could face 10 years in prison, but I think it is a completely unrealistic argument that he will be released soon.

[Anchor]
So, not only lawmaker Yoon Sang-hyun but also himself explained his remarks encouraging supporters of violence.Ma didn't encourage him to do it, and he said he would be released soon because the young men who had crossed the wall the day before were arrested, not because he told the vandalized people so. There was such an explanation. I have to explain it to you, so I'll tell you. Not only lawmaker Yoon Sang-hyun, but also Pastor Jeon Kwang-hoon and the Constitution have the right to resist the people. We may bring President Yoon out of the detention center. I'm making this argument. Former Supreme Council member Kim Jae-won said, "Asphalt crusaders participating in President Yoon's lonely and difficult temple created a great military. I don't know how to listen to this.

[Lee Jong-geun]
That's right. There will be a poll next week. From what I can tell. But the polls are going to start to reflect these violent protests or violent intrusion by supporters and the issuance of arrest warrants. Even then, should the party leave the party members talking about this part as it is now? I think that's when my worries start. But it's the weekend now, but there's no choice but to be a huge public backlash from tomorrow. The media will pour out tomorrow in earnest. Then, the current expressions are actually meant to be supported by supporters until today, and voices will begin to emerge from the party tomorrow. How long are you going to go along with some supporters without drawing a line? However, if the party leadership actually does that, I think it will have a great impact on public opinion.

[Anchor]
So I think we really need to talk about this. Supporters, citizens, radical actions, of course, radical remarks by politicians who have problems but who encourage these things. I think this is a real problem.

[Bae Jong Ho]
Of course, that's in principle.

[Anchor]
No matter how much you do your politics.

[Bae Jong Ho]
In principle, it's true, but the problem is that you go to the far-right pastor Jeon Kwang-hoon, who is now such propaganda, and you're with him with your head tightened. And you said earlier that you shouldn't do your politics together, but it's a problem to judge that it's advantageous for the future when it comes to doing your politics. That's why we're also in principle, but then we can't help but say that these politicians don't think about the country, the people, or our people, but only think about their own personal interests. If so, the problem is that in the long run, the country is also a problem, but will this be a plus for the future of the people's power conservatives? But if you look at it now, conservative supporters have gathered recently.

[Anchor]
Please show us the polls.

[Bae Jong Ho]
That's why some people's power was ahead of the party's support. So, there is a saying that these people will combine with the far-right asphalt forces to go more propaganda and agitation. First of all, this trend has been true recently. Then, the trend of opinion polls is that conservative supporters have gathered. However, I think there is a part where conservative supporters are oversampled. Because if you actually look at the Gallup Poll, the number of conservative respondents has increased from 266 to 338 in this poll. And it's true that the number of people on NBS has increased from 281 to 326. But at the same time, the middle class has decreased significantly. So, in the last Gallup and NBS survey, about 27% decreased to 17% this time. Then, is this the overall public opinion? Therefore, neither ruling nor opposition, nor conservative nor progressive should be obsessed with the optical illusion effect on these areas.

[Anchor]
But this is Gallup's poll, which we put out last Friday, and it's a 39:36 reversal. Of course, it's a margin of error.In terms of figures, Ma has turned around like this. And not only Gallup, but also other polls show similar figures. Then, you said that it is an excessive sampling of conservative voters now, so why did it happen? All of these phenomena are coming out in common.

[Lee Jong-geun]
That's right. It was like this at first. I'll look at the Democratic Party's response on the timeline. At first, it wasn't some majors, it wasn't real meters, gallops, or NBS that we usually do every time, but it wasn't a little weekly poll, so the Democratic Party said it would file a complaint because it came out in one or two places at first. But I couldn't file a complaint. Why? Many opinion polls, including Hangil Research and Research View, which we say are major players, keep coming out. The trend line is the same. Then, crucially, because of Gallup and NBS, the Democratic Party had nothing more to say. Why? Until then, most of them said ARS. However, in the case of Gallup and NBS, not ARS, it is a telephone interview or an interview. In practice, the reliability of the data is bound to be much higher.

[Anchor]
The response rate is also high.

[Lee Jong-geun]
The response rate is also high. So what's wrong with over-sampling? DEAR OVER-sampling: If you say it differently, you'll respond positively. To respond actively means that there is a lot to say. But in the end, I think Na Hoon-ah's story is right. Left. Did you do well? The expression "What did you do well?" is this expression right now. I'm not saying I did a good job with President Yoon. If you look at Gallup, it's still about 60%, people who think impeachment is wrong. However, it means that the Democratic Party cannot take 60% of what they think is wrong with impeachment. Just by looking at Gallup.

[Anchor]
So, it is said that it is the result of excessive sampling by the ruling party's supporters, but anyway, I don't think the opposition party can see this only in a comfortable position.

[Bae Jong Ho]
Of course, the opposition party is on alert. Because immediately after the emergency martial law, he was twice as good as a double score in party approval ratings. However, now that the tables have been turned, no matter how much the conservative supporters' votes have been excessively sampled, this is a red light. Then, what should the Democratic Party reflect on this part? Of course, conservative supporters gathered, but then the Democratic Party of Korea should reflect on whether it has not given enough stability and trust as an authorized party that the general public expects. However, the reason why I think I should continue to be wary of the optical illusion effect is that the conservative presidential candidate's approval rating has completely changed, hasn't it? Kim Moon-soo came out first. Then, Kim Moon-soo is obviously a person standing on the far-right side. By the way, such a person is ranking first among the presidential candidates of people's power or conservatism? Then, this part does not fit the general public opinion. Second, if Kim Moon-soo becomes a presidential candidate of conservative or people's power, I think the middle class will turn a blind eye. First of all, the middle class sees up to 40% if they catch a lot. 30% conservative and 30% progressive. Then I would like to say that it is a flow of defeat.

[Anchor]
Lastly, let's take a look at the polls and correct them. I missed it too, but the figures went wrong while you two were talking. I'll check it out. This is a Gallup poll, right? It's a Gallup poll that came out last Friday. I will confirm once again that 57% of the respondents approve of the impeachment of President Yoon and 36% disapprove, and conclude the discussion.

[Lee Jong-geun]
I said 60. I said it a little higher by 3 percentage points.

[Anchor]
It definitely went down from last week. It's 57:36 again. Until now, Lee Jong-geun, a current affairs critic, and Bae Jong-ho, a professor at Seha University. Thank you both.