[News UP] While avoiding investigation...President Yoon to plead in person at the Constitutional Court

■ Host: Anchor Yoon Jae-hee
■ Starring: Choi Chang-ryul, Yongin University Special Professor, Lee Jong-geun, current affairs critic

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[Anchor]
Let's continue to point out what's relevant.

Choi Chang-ryeol, a special professor at Yongin University, and Lee Jong-geun, a current affairs critic, came out. Welcome. President Yoon

came to court yesterday. I've spoken four times in 100 minutes, and I'll point out the related remarks.

First of all, he said he apologized to the judges and that he had lived with the belief that he was a liberal democracy until now. It's something I brought up before I started my defense, what do you think is the intention?

[Lee Jong-geun]
The most important thing is that the president has destroyed the constitutional order. But this is the premise. liberal democratic beliefs What this is expressed is in the full text of the Constitution. by further solidifying the basic liberal democratic order in the full text of the Constitution That's the same expression. The president's remarks yesterday were solidified with one belief in liberal democracy. The word firm and liberal democracy are opposed to each other. At the same time, isn't the presidential oath of office expressed in the constitution in compliance with the constitution? Then, if I connect the three, I said that I have always lived in compliance with the original constitution, and the next sentence is that the Constitution also exists to protect the Constitution. In this way, I think he expressed his intention to start pleading on the premise that he has been protecting the Constitution.

[Anchor]
How did you hear it, professor?

[Choi Chang Ryul]
It was ridiculous. The fact that it is unconstitutional and illegal after declaring an emergency martial law is something that many people feel in common sense. I don't know what the Constitutional Court will ultimately judge him. If it's not unconstitutional, it will be dismissed. In addition to the assessment of the president's emergency martial law and the so-called legal assessment, the social and political assessment has ended. I think so. Since it is a law, there is an area of law, the crime of rebellion is also a matter of criminal trial. Can someone who has lived with the belief of liberal democracy declare emergency martial law? That's by mobilizing the military. In addition, the military was unintentionally mobilized to investigate the allegations to investigate the fraudulent election. It's like this kind of sophistry, but how can someone with a liberal democratic conviction do this? I think this is a premise that justifies the president's various actions.Ma thought how many people could sympathize with that president's words.

[Anchor]
Regarding the mobilization of the military, CCTV of the National Assembly and the National Election Commission were put on trial yesterday. He said there was no order to bring down lawmakers. But isn't it the state of several testimonies?

[Lee Jong-geun]
I think this is the part where the president attended the Constitutional Court in person and devoted the most effort to defending himself. Because while he was in his official residence, all the commanders had consistent testimony, and this testimony came from multiple commanders. The expressions are different, but the expressions are slightly different depending on each of these situations, such as asking them to do it in groups of four or pulling them out, but in the end, there were 47 days of testimony from the Constitutional Court that there was an order intended to prevent the constitutional act of voting guaranteed by the lawmakers gathered at the National Assembly, so whether there was no such thing or there was inconsistency in the expressions of the commanders. I think he's trying to impeach the command's testimony. However, this is actually an issue that needs to be confronted by the president and the commanders who will take the stand in the future, so we have to see if the president's remarks will continue consistently in the future.

[Anchor]
In the process of explaining these contents, there was also a saying that the National Assembly and the media in Korea are much stronger than the president.

[Choi Chang Ryul]
The National Assembly voted to lift martial law. I think I was aware of that. Also, it is hard to understand the media saying that it is the power of the first generation all of a sudden. The media also has different tendencies. That's a natural phenomenon. Not all media are showing general consistency in this area. I can't help but be very critical. I think I'll be conscious of that. Is it an indirect expression of discontent with the media? It sounds a little sarcastic. The press and the National Assembly are in the first place. By the way, isn't the first generation of the Republic of Korea the president? It's a presidential system, and it's not just Korea. You saw President Trump take office yesterday. Chogap is the best among the best. That's how the presidential system is supposed to be. So the word "emperor president" or "power focused on president" comes from the United States. So, the words "the first Congress and the media" don't seem to have much meaning in themselves.In the overall context of Ma, I think why he suddenly talks about it out of the blue.

[Anchor]
While the controversy over election fraud continues to be raised, President Yoon said yesterday, "It was not a conspiracy theory, it was to confirm the fact." He stepped back like this.

[Lee Jong-geun]
That's right. I think they're wary of being viewed as conspiracy theories in relation to fraudulent elections. It will continue to be an issue in relation to fraudulent elections by constitutional judges. In that case, the president, who represents conspiracy theories in some places that expand and reproduce conspiracy theories without a single basis, seems to be trying to replace the situation with the fact that he raised legitimate suspicions based on this image without solidifying into this kind of image. Of course, it's different from what we talked about in the president's statement. In the presidential statement, he was confident about the election fraud and used various evidences to say that this was the biggest reason for declaring martial law. However, I can see his attitude of trying to distance himself and raise his argument yesterday, but I was so sure that his attitude was criticized, so I talked about it in the statement, but in fact, the Constitutional Court's logic of how to mobilize the military to raise suspicions is confronted again if it is simply to raise suspicions. Judging from the fact that the lawyer also presented a large portion of the fraudulent election yesterday, this part will continue to be an issue, but I think we should accept it like this, saying that yesterday's step back is a strategic dimension.

[Anchor]
The Central Election Commission refuted the election fraud theory one by one yesterday. However, some of President Yoon's supporters seem to be saying that it is necessary to take a proper look at it.

[Choi Chang Ryul]
I think our society is getting involved in such a frame. It was in the YTN report earlier that the election was rigged.Ma has already been ruled by the Supreme Court. It's not a fraudulent election. The Supreme Court of the Republic of Korea has made such a judgment, so what do you look into? If so, it means that the whole society should look into the suspicions raised by society, but of course, there are so many stories about fraudulent elections. It's ridiculous to say that the fraudulent election itself is not a reason for the impeachment of the Constitutional Court, but he went to the NEC to look into the fraudulent election. Are you going to the military to look into the NEC? I don't think it's logical to say it.Ma itself appears as a phenomenon. I also understand some people's suggestion that we need to look into it.

But when you start looking into the rigged election, there's a lot of crazy evidence there. President Yoon himself said on the 15th that there was too much evidence of fraudulent elections. I'm trying to check the facts. I'm not raising a conspiracy theory. I changed my position, not just to take a step back. I think that the end of the fraudulent election itself can be logically disadvantageous. Fraudulent election This is not a big reason for impeachment in the Constitutional Court. That's why so-called "fraudulent election allegations" have been raised by fierce supporters. Nevertheless, many people have dismissed it. Of course, I've argued on some basis or belief of those who strongly insist.Ma generally doesn't make sense, I've been doing this.

It's because there's talk of fraudulent elections after the emergency martial law, so let's take a look. Isn't there something? That's the frame. In its own way, some of the ruling camp, extreme supporters, conservative YouTubers, not conservatives, but extreme far-right YouTubers. Isn't their frame working? That's why people say that here, too. Let's take a look at the next step. It's a complete blur of the essence. The issue is that we should talk about the unconstitutionality and illegality of emergency martial law, and that the National Assembly and the parliament should ban political activities of local councils in decree No. 1, and that the military occupied it without a warrant. But if you suddenly ask me to look into the rigged election, the Constitutional Court can be filled with talks about rigged elections, so I think that's a very dangerous idea. And it is very undesirable. Does that person want me to stop talking about election fraud? That's possible. It doesn't mean much to me in the sense that it can mislead the nature of the enormous situation in itself. I think it's already been decided by the Supreme Court.

[Anchor]
It is said that the note received by Acting President Choi Sang-mok was a note to draw up a budget related to the emergency legislative body. The president says he never gave it to him. Wouldn't it be the biggest issue if former Minister Kim Yong-hyun comes out as a witness at tomorrow's hearing?

[Lee Jong-geun]
That's the biggest issue. When requesting an arrest warrant, the only question the judge asked in the warrant review was the fraudulent legislative body. Next, this is one of the questions the judge asked at the Constitutional Court again. Why is the emergency legislative body so important? I think the difference was whether or not to do it as an emergency legislative body through due process this time or whether emergency martial law was justified in a situation where it was not unconstitutional. Did you mean it or not? Why, the legislative body is another body to dissolve or defeat the National Assembly and replace it. Therefore, the intention to suspend the legitimate activities of the National Assembly is an emergency legislative body.

But like former Minister Kim Yong-hyun and Dae-jil, it will come out in four days. However, former Minister Kim Yong-hyun changed his position strangely. It was just that he reviewed the note, but now he seems to intend to take responsibility for everything in this area. Why? It's not an emergency legislative body, it's an emergency legislative power. The difference is that reorganize the budget so that the budget that the opposition party has cut so far can be properly reflected in the Ministry of Economy and Finance. It was a measure of emergency fiscal legislation. Therefore, claiming that it was not a legislative body but a level of legislative power does not mean that the inconsistent statements of former Minister Kim Yong-hyun and the president can be seen, but it seems that such a debate will continue with the National Assembly as to whether the legislative body is written in the actual note.

[Anchor]
The Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit was scheduled to conduct an on-site investigation last night, but it failed. The president left the Constitutional Court yesterday and went straight to the hospital for medical treatment, but he didn't receive any information about it. Some point out that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is not even aware of the president's movements.

[Choi Chang Ryul]
Isn't it that he went to the detention center to investigate at the Constitutional Court? In other words, it's in Jongno, whether it's the Armed Forces Capital Hospital. It's close to the Constitutional Court. It's only five minutes away. It's right in front of us. You didn't know that place, so you must have gone to a detention center. That's a presumption. According to some reports, there were reports that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit did not know. The Ministry of Justice said that the head of the detention center also gave permission for this part, and there is no problem with the legal process at all. However, the communication problems between the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and the Ministry of Justice were investigated once, especially after the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit was arrested, and the president did not sign and kept his right to remain silent. After that, I'm going to do a face-to-face survey, but the attempts have been unsuccessful. It's a situation where you're not even forced to get a job. In connection with that, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit at least ordered him to be arrested well, but the prosecution has the right to prosecute anyway.

That's why I think I see it in relation to whether the role of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is this much. I did enough to do the airlift. There were various criticisms, and I thought it was helpless, so I pulled it out anyway. Since I've been arrested. The time is also limited. The first arrest period is 10 days, and then the second arrest period is 20 days. This includes the arrest period, so if you are under arrest, you will be eliminated again.Please hand over the prosecution's position quickly, the investigation. I don't think the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit needs to be overly obsessed with this part. Isn't it that the president can't be investigated by the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit? Attendance at the Constitutional Court may be part of that justification. Look, I don't go to the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, but I don't go to the Constitutional Court. I don't think the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit needs to be overly obsessed with face-to-face investigations because it can build this justification. I think I made up my mind. You're saying you won't respond to the investigation until the end. in the investigation of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit As some criticize, isn't the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit trying to show too much? I understand the grievances of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. I think the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit needs to listen to such criticism.

[Anchor]
It is true that it is better to hand it over to the prosecution as soon as possible because the corruption investigation office you mentioned is over here.

[Lee Jong-geun]
That's right. The Airborne Division can only do this anyway. This is because the president has consistently maintained an attitude that he has no investigative power related to the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, and has not responded even though he has tried to measure. Then, day by day, we are not going to show the attempt to inch, but it is justifiable. The Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit worked so hard, so it was inevitable. It's not that I'm handing it over, but the prosecution has to maintain the prosecution anyway. It is necessary to maintain the public prosecution. It may be difficult to escape criticism from the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, but for incompetence. Nevertheless, their intention itself was to find out the allegations of civil war in relation to the president's martial law and to have him put on trial, if this was the intention. The people will think that it was the best. It seems best to hand it over to the prosecution right away and allow the prosecution to have enough time to investigate to maintain the prosecution.

[Anchor]
Let's also look at the situation between the ruling and opposition parties. First of all, the power of the people is controversial now by sending Lunar New Year gifts to far-right YouTubers who were on the scene at the time of the court violence, and the party is pointing out whether it is right or proper to take care of holiday gifts. What do you think?

[Choi Chang Ryul]
I'm not sure if you sent it or if you're trying to send it. It's been reported that they sent it, right? I already sent it. But there are so many surprising news these days, and it's true that far-right YouTubers are becoming social and political problems. There are a lot of absurd claims by far-right YouTubers. Of course, there are people who don't think it's absurd depending on their own judgment.Ma is generally absurd. sophisticated, provocative and inflammatory sentences Not only martial law this time, but it's been in our society a lot. The same goes for the left. The left and right are the same. Does the power of the people step up and send gifts to these people at the party level? What will the people think of this? moderate voters Some people keep saying that the middle is meaningless. It's meaningful in the middle. Why isn't there one? There are people who say that Korean politics has only extremes. People's Power Some people pointed out that to me. So I was surprised to see what they thought.

The power of the people right now. If you look at the sending of a gift, it's a phenomenon, so it's not good to say that it's bad on its own. It's just that the power of the people is after Han Dong-hoon stepped down after the emergency martial law, and in a good way, he stepped down, and critically, it seems to be too far-right after he was ousted. The people in the leadership were not like that either. I can understand the position of the people's power even by looking at them talking. Because the president is still a member of the people's power. Even if it is possible to understand by making concessions to protect the president a hundred times, the current remarks and language are not like that for all people, but a lawmaker said that. Some lawmakers said that the police induced the invasion of the Western District Court. I won't say who it is.E. The media reported that it is a cautionary tale, but this is because the ruling party legally maintains its status as a president even if the president is arrested and the president belongs to a political party. I think it's too far-right. Indeed, when criticizing Japan's Liberal Democratic Party, which leans to the right, it leans too far to the right. That's what they say. That's how I feel. So, what I sent as gifts to far-right YouTubers this time is the current state of people's power, the ideological system of people's power, and the orientation of people's power. I think it's one part of reading these things, so I feel very bitter. That's what I'm saying.

[Anchor]
He described YouTubers as alternative media, explaining that the power of the people is not a problem. How do you see this part?

[Lee Jong-geun]
I would change my perspective if there were other YouTubers on this list. For example, as you said, most of the lists reported in the media are YouTube, which led and led rallies related to the Western District Court, and there is also a conservative YouTube that critically views those parts. So, if you send gifts to YouTubers like this and that together, the party's story will be acceptable to some extent, but if you send them only to these YouTubers, they should be criticized for lacking political judgment. To briefly explain what you said, the alternative media was very much expected because the conservative party and conservative party were very behind the podcast. I'm a gimmick, when there was a podcast like this, the pay was usually legacy media.

But at that time, podcasts played a big role in expanding the realm of progress as an alternative media. However, I was very anxious because there was no such thing, but with the creation of YouTube, I feel that the results of the conservatives' expectations and utilization of YouTube were very good, and I think it's an alternative media, and I think it's an expression that includes bragging about not having a podcast before. I don't think it's a desirable problem to turn into an argument that it's not an alternative media, but that YouTubers who make some extreme claims are the problem, and that's why you call all of them the problem, not an alternative media.

[Anchor]
The Democratic Party of Korea has been criticizing Chairman Lee Jae-myung, centering on the screaming world. Former presidential chief of staff Im Jong-seok openly criticized the Democratic Party, which only looks at Lee Jae-myung, saying it cannot win public trust. What do you think? There are also criticisms about the possibility of the gathering of the screaming world.

[Choi Chang Ryul]
It seems that the two parties are making the early presidential election a fact anyway. Because the possibility of impeachment citations is true. In the case of Im Jong-seok, the former chief of staff of the Scream world, you can talk about that. That's the right thing to say. We came too far as representative Lee Jae-myung's unipolar system. But if it's not an emergency martial law, the issue of representative Lee Jae-myung will be a very issue. But the emergency martial law covers everything. Anyway, CEO Lee Jae-myung is facing judicial risk and I don't know when the second trial will be decided.The second trial should also be decided according to the law and principle. I have to do it within 3 months. It's wrong to do it within three months. Representative Lee Jae-myung has still been delaying the trial. I don't know when and how the second trial's ruling will come out, despite the screaming world.It might not fly or not.

Anyway, I was overly obsessed with representative Lee Jae-myung because his approval rating did not exceed a certain level. There are supporters on both sides. President Yoon also supports Lee Jae-myung. The reason why the people's power or the ruling party criticized Lee Jae-myung in the past is the same. It's the same with both extremes, YouTube, and the text bomb sent at that time, and this conservative. That's not how our politicians should be. However, there seems to be a limit to screams except for representative Lee Jae-myung, the power itself. However, it may be the result of our politics becoming too extreme. If you do a variety of analyses. The biggest problem is President Yoon's fault.It's true that both parties have been obsessed with over-obsessed forces anyway. In that sense, that makes sense, but in political reality, I wonder if it is possible to unite the screaming world.

[Anchor]
The political circles were angry, but what do you think of it, the critic?

[Lee Jong-geun]
Well, it's worth the brunt. How dare you make such a statement to a one-party system? However, former Chief of Staff Lim Jong-seok should have done it then. So, the voice should have come out when it was actually expressed like this. I couldn't make such a voice properly, so I made it to this point. First of all, you're one of the political leaders of the opposition party. If so, wouldn't this party still be healthier if it had spoken out when many people failed the nomination for no reason, not for themselves? First of all, compared to the power of the people, the power of the people is Kim Sang-wook, Cho Kyung-tae, and Kim Ye-ji, even if some of them are asked to leave the party. There are 18 members of Congress who opposed impeachment. But this party goes with those lawmakers. This is a party that accepts other voices, but if you look at the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party has no other voice. That's why it feels like an echo of Chief of Staff Lim Jong-seok's unanswered. I think the public will see this party as a party that continues to move like a healthy creature only if it makes such a voice confidently among the current lawmakers.

[Anchor]
Let's stop here.

We talked with Choi Chang-ryul, a special professor at Yongin University, and Lee Jong-geun, a current affairs critic. Thank you.