If the 'emergency legislative body' is at the heart of the rebellion, if it is admitted? Park Joo Min. "尹, it's over!" Kim Kyung Jin's plug is pulled.

[News FM Lee Ik-seon Choi Soo-young Issue & People]

□ Broadcast date and time: January 22, 2025 (Wednesday)
□ Host: Lee Ik-seon, Choi Soo-young
□ Performers: Kim Kyung-jin, former member of the People's Power, Park Joo-min, member of the Democratic Party of Korea

<Kim Kyung-jin, former member of the People's Power>
- The 'emergency legislative body' is the core of the rebellion, the moment it is admitted, "尹, unplugged"
- 尹 Constitutional Court's answer, "There are many lies and distortions..As a supporter, I want even a silver lining to shine."
- Kim Yong-hyun, do you break it with a laptop hammer? The crime of destroying clear evidence...Self-appreciating martial law justification
- The Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, which says it will continue to seek compulsory 尹, should recognize the 'right to refuse to state' under the Criminal Law.In the 尹, let the people feel sorry for them
- Party members, "Did the 尹 receive the money, did he act shamelessly?The issue of equity with Lee Jae-myung is also considered understandable in the 尹 'One mind to save the country'
- Party members are also very emotional against the impeachment of the 尹 and detention of ordinary people

<Rep. Park Joo-min of the Democratic Party of Korea>
- A huge number of abusive texts are being sent to the justices of the Constitutional Court.尹 As if to show 'I'm not that kind of person'
- 尹 appears in the Constitutional Court in the name of refusing to comply with the forced labor of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit
- Attempt to establish an emergency legislative body? 120% sure that emergency protocol is unconstitutional...尹 "Crime of Insurrection" is over!
- 尹, you never ordered? "尹, lying...It's all in Kim Yong-hyun's indictment."
- Is it too much to hire a 尹 at the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit? Don't blame the investigation.

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◇ Lee Ik-seon: <Jungkook's Talk Friends> Park Joo-min of the Democratic Party of Korea and Kim Kyung-jin of the former People's Power are here. Please come in.

◆ Choi Soo-young: President Yoon Suk Yeol attended the impeachment hearing in person yesterday. Of course, since he is not being investigated by the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, it was widely expected that he would appear at the Constitutional Court, but he attended in a short time. Out of a total of 1 hour and 43 minutes of pleading, President Yoon got four opportunities to speak and spoke directly for about 6 minutes, so let's hear the general review first.

★ Kim Kyung-jin, former member of the People's Power (hereinafter referred to as Kim Kyung-jin): First of all, I think the presidents did not attend the impeachment of President Park Roh Moo Hyun or President Park Park Geun Hye in the past. It's President Yoon's first time attending, and I think he did well in attendance. And I think you attended yesterday because it is a very important process for the public to recognize that the president has said everything he wants to say in court for the sake of the unity of the Republic of Korea.

☆ Rep. Park Joo-min of the Democratic Party of Korea (hereinafter referred to as Park Joo-min): First of all, the representatives who have attended the Constitutional Court so far have talked a lot too much. For example, I think that the judges kept repeating the absurd stories related to the fraudulent election, and that some of those statements were reversed themselves, and that the strategy needed to be modified. Second, there was a riot in the Western District Court. Then there was talk that they were moving to the Constitutional Court, and especially the justices of the Constitutional Court are now being verbally abused in huge texts. In order to comfort that atmosphere, I think it was necessary to attend the Constitutional Court and show that I'm not that kind of person. Third, as the host just said, aren't you still refusing to accept the investigation by the investigative agency and refusing to seek employment? You shouldn't be in a detention center for that. Because they have to be outside somehow, they seem to have used it as a description of not responding to the investigation by going back and forth to the Constitutional Court and the hospital.

◇ Lee Ik-seon: Let's look at some of the questions of Moon Hyung-bae, the acting head of the Constitutional Court, and the president's answers. First of all, when asked if he had ever given a note to the Minister of Economy and Finance to draw up a budget related to the national emergency legislative body, acting Choi Sang-mok said he had received it. The president replied that he knew from the article.

★ Kim Kyung-jin: This will probably be one of the major issues in the prosecution's trial of rebellion anyway. And it seems that the prosecution will provide various evidence on this part regarding the facts. If you look at that line, the whole people will be clear, but focusing on what has been reported in the media so far, then Minister Choi Sang-mok gave it to someone next to the president while he was busy. He received it and put it in his pocket, handed it over to the vice minister of the Ministry of Economy and Finance a little later, and the vice minister of the Ministry of Economy and Finance said that he had this and submitted it to the investigative agency because it would be investigated by the investigative agency later. He hasn't clearly said what's inside yet. Also, the assistant secretary of the Ministry of Economy and Finance has not made it clear. If you look at the indictment filed with the prosecution, I think the part about the emergency legislative body is probably written in the indictment, as in this note. Then, this note itself was submitted to the prosecution anyway, right? I don't think the prosecution wrote the indictment with the fact that there was no prosecution, so there must be various contents in the note called an emergency legislative body, and I think one of them is clearly included. Even the acting president Choi Sang-mok does not say that he received this directly from the president himself. Let's say we got it from the official. We have no choice but to see the meaning of the emergency legislative body in the memo with the context that the president wanted to do and what the president thought at the time. Overall, the president denies that, but if you look at the testimony at the National Assembly, you are in that context. It seems unlikely that the president thought of that in the future, but anyway, we have to see the prosecution prove this later.

◆ Choi Soo-young: Why is it so important when the Western District Court's warrant judge also asked this?

★ Kim Kyung-jin: If you tried to create an emergency legislative body, the constitution itself would be a complete transformation even if you built an iron wall with the police force in the National Assembly and soldiers went inside the National Assembly and tried to drag out lawmakers, wouldn't you think it would be a complete transformation of the constitution itself? If this is recognized, it is a situation in which the plug is removed immediately, whether it is a constitutional trial or a civil war. I think they keep asking because it's the simplest and most obvious issue.

◆ Choi Soo-young: Do you think so, Senator Park?

☆ Park Ju-min: I know there are four major impeachment issues that are being contested at the Constitutional Court. The first one is Pogoryeong. The decree itself is unconstitutional. The second was to send soldiers to the National Assembly. The third sent soldiers to the NEC. The fourth said to arrest and detain some of the politicians. It's like this. The part that sent troops to the National Assembly, followed by the part that was ordered to ban the political activities of the National Assembly, especially in decree No. 1. In a way, this is the most important part, and if you tried to create an emergency legislative body as lawmaker Kim Kyung-jin said just now, you don't even need to think about it further. It's just over. But the problem is that the military has already come in regardless of the note on the emergency legislative body. To the National Assembly. As I have said several times before, neither the Constitution nor the Constitutional Amendment Act has the authority to take emergency measures against the National Assembly. Especially during martial law. There was an attempt related to the emergency legislative body even though it was a civil war that could not be avoided just because the military came in. I had a problem. Then it's 120% sure, so I think everyone is asking to go with it easily.

◆ Choi Soo-young: There is a contradiction in the President's statement yesterday regarding this. It sounds like we don't have the right to dissolve the National Assembly, so can we have a legislative body? How do you see this part?

☆ Park Ju-min: The military was going to bring out politicians, detain them, and actually detain them on charges of violating martial law proclamations, etc. Then, in fact, there is a clause in the constitution that calls for more than 200 lawmakers. Then if you drag more than 100 people out and detain them, the National Assembly will be dissolved naturally. According to the Constitution, the National Assembly ends its function. Then we can think about the next step. So far, the number of lawmakers has never dropped below 200. If I took hundreds of people, I took them away. Then wouldn't it be below 200 people? The constitution says there should be more than 200 people. It should be whatever it is to hold an election.

◇ Lee Ik-seon: Of course, there was a question among the acting chief of the Constitutional Court and the president's answer, whether he ordered lawmakers to be pulled out of the National Assembly. The president denied it. As you said earlier, the Capital Defense Command and the commanders of the special forces also said they had been ordered, but they said they had never ordered it.

☆ Park Ju-min: As you know, a prosecution was filed against former Defense Minister Kim Yong-hyun, and the press release was distributed at that time, and evidence was attached to the press release. Among the attached evidence is a screenshot of the messenger exchanged by the soldiers who were deployed to the scene. If you look there, it says to bring out politicians. It is right not to make claims that are close to lies.

★ Kim Kyung-jin: It's just that the president and his lawyers lie a lot. By the way, I was a person who helped win the president's election, but this is really bad to see. It doesn't look good. Rather, if I do this because Lee Jae-myung, the leader of the party, virtually paralyzed the state administration to prevent President Yoon Suk Yeol from exercising his administrative power as president, there are aspects that people can sympathize with and share their perception with the president. However, if you continue to make false claims about martial law or this process, the parts that we can understand that are bound to do so in the president's mind are very bright. I still have a certain affection for the president, but is it really an appropriate response strategy in history to deal with this by lying and distorting about the relationship in this way? There are a lot of heartbreaking parts when I'm watching from the side.

☆ Park Ju-min: I don't think I need to add it, but I can't agree with you at all. Because the Democrats tried to push for a bill, for example. Or, attempting to impeach some of the government officials cannot be the reason for rebellion or the invasion of the National Assembly using military force. If that starts to be tolerated, any president will do it all in the future. So I'll add that you have to point this out clearly.

◆ Choi Soo-young: Yes, I see. Let's take a look at the Dong-A Ilbo's exclusive report. After martial law, I smashed my laptop that I wrote a proclamation with a hammer. Former Minister Kim Yong-hyun's statement of prosecution's investigation, and Minister Kim Yong-hyun says that he broke it because martial law ended. How should I look at this? Should it be viewed as evidence destruction?

★ Kim Kyung-jin: First of all, the crime of destroying evidence is clear. According to him, the president and former Defense Minister Kim Yong-hyun did this with the will of saving the country against the tyranny of the Democratic Party and the tyranny of Yeouido. Then, if you started emergency martial arts with the determination of your real name, you should leave a record in history. To say that you broke it is to say that you lack justification, but on the other hand, you're self-confident. I'm full of conviction and say I did it because of my determination to save the country for the sake of the country, so why break the laptop? That doesn't add up.

◆ Choi Soo-young: During the trial yesterday, when acting Moon was about to end the trial, President Yoon got a chance to speak and said, "The National Assembly and the media are super-gap," so why do you think the president said this?

☆ Park Ju-min: But honestly, I don't know. Then the media is on the Democratic Party's side. Are you two on the Democratic Party's side? It's not. When journalists see each party, they are disappointed and frustrated. But if you say you didn't listen to your side unilaterally, should we cut off the electricity, cut off the water, and deploy soldiers? That's not right. And the laws that the Democratic Party pushed for, so the veto was repeated mainly because there were public suspicions, such as the Special Prosecutor Act on the Deutsche Motors stock price manipulation case, the Special Prosecutor Act related to the death of Chae Hae-byeong, etc., which should be investigated more than 60% according to the opinion poll, but we refused to do the things that we said needed a special prosecutor because it didn't work out, and we repeatedly accumulated numbers. It's hard for us to see everything in all directions.

◇ Lee Ik-seon: Director of Airborne Oh Dong-woon speaks as if he was determined on his way to work today. I told the president to the effect that I am sorry for avoiding the investigation like this. The Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit will continue to attempt forced recruitment until the 28th, what do you think of this behavior of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit?

★ Kim Kyung-jin: Legally, there is no defect. An arrest warrant has been issued, and anyway, he holds the position of the incumbent president, and the president has the responsibility of a guardian in a way of law and constitutional order, and then it is the responsibility of the public and public officials to comply with the request for an investigation by the lawfully authorized Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. The head of the airborne department is right. Of course, you're legally right, but the problem is that even after the president was arrested, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit has never opened its mouth about the investigation. You're exercising your right to veto statements. And it seems clear that we will continue to exercise the right to reject statements in the future. At this point, of course, the president will not reign over the law, but any investigative agency has the right not to be forced to make statements under the Criminal Procedure Act and the Constitution. At this point, he recognized his right to reject his statement, and as Representative Park Joo-min said earlier, I heard that there are screenshots of what to do by sending soldiers to Kakao Talk. We already have all the evidence. The testimony of the generals at the National Assembly, and the investigation of the relevant witnesses, the soldiers who were dispatched to the scene, and the police commanders at the scene, I think the evidence has already been collected. No matter what the president says or how he says it at his convenience depending on the situation, this is a clear agreement. Then, if his or her procedural position is very clear that he or she will exercise his or her right to veto statements, why should he go so far and set fire to the hearts of the people who feel sorry for the president? It's not that the request or remarks of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit are legally wrong, and it's true, but it's another surprise that remains in the minds of the people, so I think they're doing something that they don't need to do.

◆ Choi Soo-young: In addition, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit prohibits the exchange of letters to President Yoon and then the family visits. I heard it's the first time ever to do that.

★ Kim Kyung-jin: You don't have to do that. It's not that complicated just with the data already researched by the police, prosecutors, and the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, and the evidence gathered by the National Assembly through hearings or standing committee meetings. He banned correspondence and tried to just send someone to drag him and force himself to the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit.

◆ Choi Soo-young: Why do you think that's the intention? Then.

★ Kim Kyung-jin: I don't know that.

☆ Park Ju Min: Didn't you get a warrant? If you get a warrant, doesn't that mean you're going to proceed with the necessary investigation procedures? In fact, it's right to respond to the investigation. Should we criticize the investigation agency that even issued a warrant for not responding to the investigation? That doesn't seem to add up. Of course, the investigative agency has been given the role it has to play as an investigative agency and has an obligation, so it is right to try to investigate. I'll tell you first. I don't know about the letter or anything like this, but one person who recently broke into the Western District Court reportedly stated, "President Yoon Suk Yeol told us what to do." It means that the visit to the court was influenced by the messages. I'm a little worried that that will happen again in the future, and as I said before, gather at the Constitutional Court, and I'm going to kill anyone. These comments are coming up. And I'll find the judge and kill him. These comments are coming up. What should I do?

◇ Lee Ik-seon: Are you saying that Park told the young man who went into the Western District Court and went on a rampage that the president asked him to go in?

☆ Park Ju-min: I mean, President Yoon Suk Yeol keeps sending messages even when he's arrested, even while he's in custody, and we've pointed out that it's meaningful to instigate politics. And there are people who are actually being affected. That's what I'm concerned about.

◆ Choi Soo-young: What do you think of the so-called violence in the Western District Court as accidental incident involving the president's supporters excitedly issuing arrest warrants, or some others claim that the president's letter was stimulating or that it was a premeditated crime, as if it were behind the scenes?

★ Kim Kyung-jin: It can't be a plan. Of course, the president's words and the process of action could have made them more angry. Overall, nearly 80 to 90% of the members of the People's Power Party oppose impeachment. I didn't say this once or twice. He's very angry.

◆ Choi Soo-young: The members of the party's association also said they were against it.

★ Kim Kyung-jin: Countless people are against it. I think there's this place. It's not a big fault for committing unconstitutional or illegal emergency martial law, or of course, it's been reported that a number of cases in Baekhyun-dong, Daejang-dong, are probably listed as 12 indictments, and six or seven people who were directly or indirectly related to them made extreme choices and changed their fate. Then you can't issue an arrest warrant for such a person, and the court's trial has been dragging on for years now, and in this situation, what kind of money did President Yoon Suk Yeol receive? What kind of shameless act did he do? Of course, there was an attempt to break the constitutional order in the Constitution, but many party members think that it is a part of the rescue in their own way, and that there are certainly understandable aspects, but why is it so unfair? As a result, people who were very strong in their heads gathered in front of the Itaewon residence to protest against impeachment and arrest, and they are still in front of the Constitutional Court, and they were secretly in front of it when hearing the warrant in the Western District Court. If you think someone organized this systematically, I think there's something wrong with reading the public's public sentiment.

☆ Park Ju-min: Rep. Kim Kyung-jin keeps glorifying what happened on December 3rd. According to various data prepared by the prosecution, there was an aluminum baseball bat among the items carried by the soldiers who went to the NEC. Then, there was an eye patch and a cable tie to cover your eyes. The way I was going to use this was to get a false confession that there was a fraudulent election by catching about 30 NEC employees, tying eye patches and tying their hands with cable ties, and then dragging them with an awl and a baseball bat. Is this something to laugh about? Just imagine. Cover it with an eye patch and swing an iron bat and write that there was a rigged election. No, that's what people are saying right now. Just imagine that. It's right to keep saying that I'm not a loyalist. It's possible, right? We need to be firm on the part of the anti-humanitarian and anti-constitutional. Democracy cannot be lenient towards democracy.

◆ Choi Soo-young: Politicians themselves are not free from this responsibility over the intrusion. In the case of Chief of Staff Jeong Jin-seok, the public will judge whether the emergency martial law is a riot or an emergency measure, as was the remarks made by Yoon Sang-hyun, a member of the People's Power Party. In any case, there are some signs that the political community has encouraged some of it now, and there are also such self-reflective voices that the confrontation to extremes over camp politics caused this violence.

★ Kim Kyung-jin: Basically, I don't glorify this to Representative Park Joo-min. For me, the arrest of the generals who participated in this case, the president's arrest warrant was issued. And I've been telling you on countless broadcasts that it's legally natural that the president should be punished. However, I'm telling you that the Democratic Party of Korea and Chairman Lee Jae-myung's wrongdoings were motivated by some illegal, super-constitutional rebellion, and what is clear is that the members of our party are ordinary people. From the perspective of ordinary people, I am against impeachment. There is something very emotional about opposing the president's arrest. From my point of view, there are many unfortunate parts about the fact that the leadership of our party and the president who is now on trial should have set a clear direction and said sorry to the people that he did something wrong.