Finally, Yoon-Han...Will there be a turnaround breakthrough?

■ Host: Kim Sun-young Anchor
■ Starring: Lee Chang-geun / Power of the People Hanam-eul, Chairman of the Party Cooperation Committee, Jang Hyun-joo / Former Vice Chairman of the Democratic Party of Korea Legal Committee

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[Anchor]
President Yoon Suk Yeol and representative Han Dong-hoon are scheduled to meet at the presidential office next Monday. Politicians are paying attention to whether it can be an opportunity to turn the tide. Today, we will point out the issue with Lee Chang-geun, chairman of the party's cooperation committee, and Jang Hyun-joo, former vice chairman of the Democratic Party of Korea's legal committee. Welcome, two of you.

The date has been set. It's scheduled for Monday, but it's not a solo meeting, but it's a meeting format with the chief of staff, right?

[Jang Hyun-joo]
That's right. In fact, whether it's a private meeting or a meeting between three people with the chief of staff, this format itself will not be essential. From the people's point of view, I think this is the essence of whether the party leader and the president can meet and come up with answers to various issues demanded by the people.

Nevertheless, the reason why people say this and that about the form of this meeting is because of concerns that trust between President Yoon Suk Yeol and Representative Han Dong-hoon is almost at the bottom now. The reason why the two of you don't meet and have one more chief of staff is because there is no one to confirm if they talk differently after a private meeting.

If so, even if we look at the relationship between the president and the party leader that we were personally close to each other, I think that trust is broken a lot now. Therefore, the fact that it has become such a form of interview, not a private meeting that representative Han Dong-hoon has been demanding, symbolically, is a deep conflict between the government and the government. Paradoxically, even if the meeting takes place on Monday, it is questionable what kind of constructive and healthy agenda the people want.

[Anchor]
Since the atmosphere is inevitably different when the two meet and the three meet, why don't they meet together? I think some people might be disappointed. What do you think is the background of choosing the attendance format like this?

[Changgeun Lee]
First of all, as you just said, trust has collapsed, you can see it like this, but I think that's what's important. From the perspective of representative Han Dong-hoon, didn't you work with President Yoon for a long time? That's why, from your point of view, you can talk about everything through a private meeting, but isn't there a lot of wills that are burdensome in the presidential office right now?

That's why Chief of Staff Chung Jin-seok and Chief of Staff Chung Jin-seok have arranged for President Lee Myung Bak or former Presidents Park Geun Hye to meet in person in the past. Therefore, I think it is possible to think that he chose that format to find a more advanced answer as a coordinator's role.

[Anchor]
The key is what to talk about in it, but the format is not important, but I think many people expected to meet for dinner and have a long meal and a conversation, but I don't think it will be a little longer if it's a small talk.

[Jang Hyun-joo]
That's right. There are some people who say that talking over tea is better because we can talk more about state affairs, but there have been many articles about Yoon Suk Yeol Dongil inviting many people, especially ruling party officials, to the presidential office in Yongsan for dinner.

In particular, there were even reports that CEO Han Dong-hoon was passed at the recent dinner, so it seems that many people say that it is a little disappointing to drink tea and talk without having dinner.

Now, whether it was a private meeting or a meeting, the agenda comes out and the conclusion comes out. This is important, but it is also important to show the people that the conflicts between the president and party leader Han Dong-hoon are being resolved.

The conflict between the party and the government remains the same, but we have no choice but to meet, so I think it will be important to see what the conclusion will be after the meeting next Monday.

[Anchor]
First of all, the meeting took place during a very unusual time. But before that, CEO Han Dong-hoon has declared a kind of war. In relation to the controversy over Mrs. Kim Gun-hee, three demands were officially raised. How do you accept this in the presidential office, this is the key, so how do you forecast it?

[Changgeun Lee]
First of all, when it comes to personnel reform, the president is the final personnel manager when it comes to personnel reform. And there's no secret line, that's how it's openly stated. And in the pro-Yoon-gye, rather, the Dogok-dong 7-member association is fighting back, so in that regard, in fact, who is Kim Gun-hee's line and who is the official line, right?

Everyone is a civil servant. I think the next alternative can come out only when there is a candid talk about whether the hierarchy is really going on in a state of collapse, and whether some administrators and secretaries really intervene in state affairs as Mrs. Kim Gun-hee is concerned.

The second part is the restraint of official activities against Mrs. Kim Gun-hee, isn't it? But aren't you in a position to continue installing the second accessory room? Then, it seems that it will be impossible to ask not to do official activities. Because the first lady of the president may have to accompany her when she attends the summit, and she may have to take consistent steps such as helping the underprivileged with an agenda where the president can't go, so that could be a topic of discussion.

Lastly, it's about resolving suspicions. This is actually the part that the people pay the most attention to. Anyway, we need to see what public sentiment will be like after the prosecution's non-prosecution, but from Yongsan's point of view, we can probably choose Kim Gun-hee's apology comprehensively, but from the future, we will focus on future measures, including the issue of the special inspector. However, it is also Han Dong-hoon's homework to draw such measures that the public can understand because he emphasized the public's perspective and public position.

[Anchor]
Then, these three things seem difficult to get the answer sheet that CEO Han Dong-hoon wants according to the analysis now, so what do you think?

[Jang Hyun-joo]
I also agree with the chairman. It seems difficult for the presidential office to accept the three demands proposed by representative Han Dong-hoon. In particular, as you said, human renewal is a matter that the president can touch the unique authority of appointment, so I think this part will be sensitive.

And it is questionable whether Kim Gun-hee's restraint from activities will subside the angry public sentiment itself now just because she refrains from activities now. And the third is to cooperate with the resolution of the suspicions now, but it resolves the suspicions.I don't know that, but the meaning of cooperation sounds like to be investigated or to cooperate with the fact-finding, so it is very unpleasant for Yongsan.

That's why I'm concerned that CEO Han Dong-hoon may be able to talk about these three demands again next week, but Yongsan will not respond to them or positively.

[Anchor]
Even if I look at the three major demands now, it's a broad and comprehensive term, so I think we need to look at this part of what specific solutions the two of you will come up with. Anyway, the public opinion map is not easy right now. It would be nice if you could show a graphic of the approval rating of President Yoon Suk Yeol's state administration evaluation. If the approval rating is positive and negative now, the positivity remains in the low 22% and 20% range, and it has fallen slightly from last week.

The reason for the negative evaluation of job performance evaluation is that if you analyze it, diplomacy is the most positive, and as you can see, the biggest reason for choosing denial is the economy, people's livelihood, and water, followed by First Lady Kim Gun-hee. The fact that public opinion on this part is quite bad can be seen as an indicator. Isn't there a saying in the political circle that this meeting could be the last chance? It's not easy to meet this meeting in Yongsan, but I'll meet you with some answers, can I see it like this?

[Changgeun Lee]
It can be seen that we meet with an answer sheet, and what our party and the people want is for the answer sheet to come out. But I don't think this meeting can be resolved all at once. Nevertheless, I think we should meet twice or three times with this meeting. Because, as shown in the cause of the president's negative evaluation, the economy, people's livelihood, and prices have been fixed as the first answer to the negative evaluation since the last president took office.

However, this is the reason why the problem about Mrs. Kim Gun-hee has emerged. It's a question of how long this part will last, but if it's not resolved, it will last quite a bit. And if so, it is no longer a variable for Mrs. Kim Gun-hee's problem, but a constant that the government and the ruling party must solve together. If you can't solve the constant at once, you have to solve it anyway, and if you can't solve it, it's a way to annihilate.

Therefore, it may vary depending on whether the political view is from the perspective of the Democratic Party, the perspective of the people, or the perspective of the people as a whole, but from the perspective of the people, pro-yoon, and close friends will no longer have a conflict over this issue, but there must be continuous meetings to resolve it as confirmed by the public sentiment as in the results of this election.

[Anchor]
There are many perspectives, but in the case of former Chief Secretary Choi Jae-sung, he/she likened it to a divorce, but if we meet this time and don't find an agreement or common ground, will we be able to meet twice or three times? How do you see it?

[Jang Hyun-joo]
It is also true that the current issues are so twisted that it is difficult to solve all the problems with one meeting. Therefore, no matter how much agendas are coordinated with each other during the interview process, it seems difficult for all problems to be resolved at once. Even so, if we can narrow the gap even a little in one meeting, we can schedule a second and third meeting, but I think there is a high possibility that we will end up only checking the difference in position next Monday.

As representative Han Dong-hoon, he is presenting three major demands regarding the suspicion of Kim Gun-hee, and if the presidential office does not accept this, it will be difficult for Han to step down.

Also, the establishment of a second annex and the special inspector have been mentioned over and over, and I don't think this will eliminate public suspicions.
And there are many suspicions about Mrs. Kim Gun-hee, so we will just set up a second annex in the future, because this seems to be a way to prevent things from happening in the future.

Then, there are a number of suspicions so far, especially the stock price manipulation case and various charges that the Democratic Party will put into the Special Prosecutor Act, and that cannot be solved by setting up a second annex or operating a special inspector in the future.

If so, the problems that are currently out there are clearly some parts to be solved, and I think that in order to prevent them in the future, measures should be taken separately in these areas, such as the second annex or the special inspector.

[Anchor]
Anyway, the Democratic Party of Korea is gradually raising the level of its offensive regarding First Lady Kim Gun-hee. The Democratic Party of Korea is putting more pressure on the prosecution as the prosecution disposed of Kim Gun-hee in connection with the alleged manipulation of Deutsche Motors' stock price. The workshop was also fierce at the National Assembly Hall. Let's listen to it first.

[Anchor]
The prosecution said it will not be prosecuted because there is no clear evidence, but does it make sense that it has not even conducted a search and seizure? This is the argument of the Democratic Party and the opposition party. How did you like it?

[Changgeun Lee]
In fact, I don't think the Democratic Party is free either. Because Kim Gun-hee's Deutsche Motors case initially began with a complaint from Democratic Party lawmakers held in 2020. It was the Moon Jae In government at the time. At that time, the chief of the Central District Prosecutors' Office was Lee Sung-yoon, the current Democratic Party of Korea, right?

At that time, former Justice Minister Choo Mi-ae invoked the authority to command the investigation and conducted a search and seizure of securities firms. However, at that time, all the prosecutors of the Moon Jae In government did was receive a 15-page answer. And then the regime changed. In such a situation, it is true that the prosecution cannot be free from public criticism because the prosecution was not in the Yoon Suk Yeol government, but in the prosecution in the Moon Jae In government.

Therefore, it is true that this part needs to be resolved more clearly. So, I hoped to resolve it through the National Audit Office, but the prosecution explained that it was a case of combining additional explanations with the Deutsche Motors case and Covana content, but in fact, it's not enough from a national perspective.

[Anchor]
The lie controversy you mentioned. So I asked for a search warrant.Lee Chang-soo, the chief prosecutor of the District Prosecutors' Office, replied, "This is a misunderstanding of communication," but what did you say was misrepresented?

[Jang Hyun-joo]
In the beginning, there were suspicions that there was some support for the Deutsche Motors case and Covana content, but since it was investigated together in the early stages, it seems to be an explanation that there was a misunderstanding while talking about the rejection of the warrant.

In conclusion, it seems to be true that a search warrant has not been requested regarding the manipulation of Deutsche Motors' stock price. If so, the prosecution cleared him of charges by showing an unusual appearance of forming a red team now, but the basis for the acquittal was a lack of evidence.

So, Kim Gun-hee was innocent because of the lack of evidence to see whether she conspired to manipulate stock prices, recognized, or knew, but the opposition party does not know whether the evidence was really insufficient or whether the prosecution's investigation was insufficient.

If the prosecution says it lacks evidence on this part without a forced investigation and is cleared of charges, it seems that it has only raised one more justification for the special prosecution against Kim Gun-hee, which the Democratic Party is talking about. As a prosecutor, the investigation will be conducted with facts and legal principles, but if there was a lack of facts and investigation as a whole, it is questionable whether the public will agree to the conclusion.

[Anchor]
Coincidentally, the day after the indictment, the Central District Prosecutors' Office's parliamentary inspection was held, and the battle was quite fierce, but not only Lee Chang-soo, the chief of the Central District Prosecutors' Office, but also the prosecutor general, said that the Democratic Party would impeach him, is it really doing it?

[Jang Hyun-joo]
Since the decision has been made at the leadership level, I think the procedure and timing will probably be discussed later, but I think the impeachment will proceed as it is. It was Prosecutor General Shim Woo-jung and Central District Prosecutors' Office Chief Lee Chang-soo that the leadership decided to impeach. In the end, the big framework is that there is a charge of dereliction of duty that hides this criminal charge.

But as you know now, it's the parliamentary audit period. And in order to push for impeachment, there are parts that need to be discussed in detail with the floor leadership, so it is predicted that details will come out after the parliamentary inspection through the consultation process.

[Anchor]
The scope of the Democratic Party's impeachment card is widening to the point where representative Han Dong-hoon criticizes whether he is an impeached public official, and Prosecutor General Shim Woo-jung is also mentioned. What is your position?

[Changgeun Lee]
This is the typical inner south of the Democratic Party. As I said earlier, if this is the case, Lee Sung-yoon, the former chief of the Central District Prosecutors' Office of the Democratic Party, cannot be free. And the Democratic Party releases impeachment cards every time. In fact, the Constitutional Court also rejected the impeachment of Lee Sang-min, the Minister of Public Administration and Security, and two previous prosecutors.

The prosecution has failed to resolve public suspicions. That's why the prosecution is criticized and the Democratic Party's continued impeachment to the point of paralyzing the state administration is far from the people's livelihood. So, is the behavior of the Democratic Party really what the people want? Would this impeachment really want to paralyze state affairs and paralyze people's livelihoods? I think the Democratic Party should look back on this.

[Anchor]
In any case, the Democratic Party of Korea, which took out the impeachment card, proposed another card, the special prosecutor Kim Gun-hee's card, again. Let's look at the public opinion flow in this regard. Please show us the Gallup poll. Regarding the investigation into allegations related to First Lady Kim Gun-hee, 63% said that a special prosecutor should be introduced, and 26% said that it was not necessary.

Of course, the introduction of a special prosecutor is not a public opinion, but even representative Han Dong-hoon says that this result is not a special prosecutor, but I think he will feel burdened again. How do you see it?

[Jang Hyun-joo]
That's right. What Han Dong-hoon continued to emphasize should produce results that the public can understand. I kept emphasizing the public's perspective. Of course, you can't conclude with just this poll, but if you think about it based on this poll at least, I think it's clear what the public's eye level is. Therefore, as CEO Han Dong-hoon, I think his mind will be very complicated right now.

The Democratic Party of Korea's independent counsel law is unilateral and unconstitutional, but in the end, there is clearly a public sentiment that the people should resolve suspicions about Kim Gun-hee through an independent counsel, and I think you should give a clear answer to that public sentiment.

[Anchor]
It may be complicated in your mind, but the table calculation is also complicated now. If you get about 4 more votes in the re-vote than last time, you're moving on right away. So, in this interview with Yoon Han, there were things like, "If we fall out more, I can't guarantee it."

[Changgeun Lee]
[Voiceover] That's actually the case. In fact, some members of the pro-Yoon faction say so, and if you look at the lawmakers of our party, there are voices of self-mocking. It's true that you have to focus on people's livelihoods and run the state administration, but you feel a sense of self-destruction as a defense against First Lady Kim Gun-hee.

That is why I am not confident in the results of this vote, but what must be preceded is that the meeting between President Yoon Suk Yeol and Representative Han Dong-hoon will have such discussions, including all of these, to resolve public suspicions. However, our party has no disagreement over the Special Prosecutor Act, which contains toxic provisions claimed by the Democratic Party. We will be able to convince the people of those problems and naturally unite our party by resolving suspicions about Mrs. Kim Gun-hee.

[Anchor]
Shin Ji-ho, the head of the Strategic Planning Department of People's Power, who is considered a representative close relationship, said something significant in a media interview. That's what I said. It's unpredictable now. This time, it will vary considerably depending on how the president's office reacts to the three demands of representative Han Dong-hoon. There was also a friendly dinner not too long ago. If we get 4 more votes, we can move on, but I said it's unpredictable.

[Jang Hyun-joo]
Vice-President Shin Ji-ho's story sounds very meaningful. The timing is also severe. As you said, since there were at least four votes left earlier, if only four more votes come out, it can be possible to vote again and the veto right can be canceled.

In fact, we can say that politics is a fight for justification, but from the opposition party's point of view, the Deutsche Motors part has not been prosecuted, so I wonder how many justifications the ruling party has to prevent the special prosecutors.

Representative Han Dong-hoon also needs to have a justification that meets the public's expectations to say that the independent counsel should be prevented, which sounds like a kind of warning remark that if it does not come out of the outcome of the meeting next Monday, it is difficult to guarantee the result
in the future.

[Anchor]
It seems to be a point to watch whether the nuances of Han Dong-hoon's remarks about Kim Gun-hee's special prosecutor will change after the meeting next Monday, but one of the many controversies of Kim Gun-hee is the controversy over Myung Tae-kyun. YTN reporters met Myung Tae-kyun in person. I summarized the related remarks. Let's listen to it.

[Anchor]
We've heard Myung Taekyun's voice. So, the brother in Kim Gun-hee's Kakao Talk, which was released earlier on social media, gave an immediate explanation that he was his brother in the president's office, but there were controversies such as no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, By the way, are you saying that's your brother? How is it organized?

[Changgeun Lee]
Myung Tae-kyun also has a lot of back and forth like that. Oppa's controversy and manipulation of opinion polls. I think that's because of Myung Tae-kyun's self-defense mechanism. In fact, such back-and-forth controversy arouses more public suspicion, public distrust of Kim Gun-hee, and more demands to reveal suspicions. So, it's not about whether he's right or not, but it's revealed that at least Kim Gun-hee and Myung Tae-kyun communicated with each other at a time when Myung Tae-kyun's words come and go, right?

That's why I think Myung Tae-kyun will no longer be seen in such a form of obscuring the people and controlling the political world only when that part is resolved through this interview.

[Anchor]
What I'm organizing now is an appetizer and there are a lot of longevity, so I haven't counted it, but there are quite a few. I have both Kakaotalk and text messages. Originally, I said that if I opened my mouth, it would be very crazy, but I don't think I've revealed anything or revealed since then. Should I say that it's a threatening revelation? What do you think of continuing this?

[Jang Hyun-joo]
I think all the people will be confused about how far to believe Myung Tae-kyun's words.

[Anchor]
The answer to your brother kept changing.

[Jang Hyun-joo]
That's right. Whether he is his brother or the president of Yoon Suk Yeol, he seems to have become more and more controversial because he has changed his words over and over again. In fact, it is a little absurd and absurd to see the ruling party officials or the political circles of the ruling party just falling into chaos with this word from Myung Tae-kyun.

That's why I think what the presidential office is doing right now. You're still talking about the president. It will come out after frequent phone calls with the president, but during the debate, there are stories about what advice he gave, and I think the president's office should quickly explain these stories. If

is correct, you have to say yes or no. And President Yoon Suk Yeol has continued to emphasize the harm of fake news in public. If this is really fake news, you have to quickly explain that it's fake so that it can be sorted out. If not, the presidential office is also involved in this matter. I've done this before, but I think these controversies are intensifying because there are no accurate explanations for the outpouring of controversies.

In the public's view, I'm concerned that the presidential office has taken legal action or taken strong measures when there were suspicions about Yoon Suk Yeol's president and his wife, but this time they don't take such strong measures, so in fact, there are areas where these suspicions are bigger and amplified.

[Anchor]
It's not the key to whether it's his brother or the president of Yoon Suk Yeol, but many people say that the president's office is checking the facts on this issue and responding to it by conducting a detailed investigation. How do you see that?

[Changgeun Lee]
That's exactly what I'm asking for. But in fact, the president's office has also explained the number of meetings that have caused some trust in itself, but it's wrong again. In addition, it was revealed that the relationship between the president and Mrs. Kim was severed, but at least it was revealed that the relationship was maintained regardless of the existence of the brother or the existence of the brother. And as Myung Tae Gyun said, didn't you tell yourself that you continued to communicate for about six months even after the presidential election?

That's why the presidential office must clearly resolve this issue, otherwise, will the public trust it no matter what the presidential office's explanation comes out? This part has to be taken very seriously. That's why, as I said earlier, the president and First Lady Kim Gun-hee are the ones who know this most accurately in this interview. That's why Myung Tae-kyun's words are true and not true. And meeting is not actually a criminal act, is it?

[Anchor]
It's not wrong to know.

[Changgeun Lee]
That's right. And it's not a criminal act to maintain a relationship even after the inauguration of the president. If so, it is the President and the First Lady who need to solve and clarify the confusion of Myung Tae-kyun, which has caused the political situation and the entire country to fall into a black hole. So it's true that this part needs to be resolved quickly.

[Anchor]
I'll give you a brief last question to Chairman Lee Chang-geun. Regarding this, Chairman Han Dong-hoon said, "We need to investigate the fact within the party and thoroughly investigate us first, but from the pro-Yoon side, is it an ally or an enemy? You're protesting like this. Which one do you think is the right way, personally?

[Changgeun Lee]
The fact-finding investigation within the party is clear, the scope is clear. Since Myung Tae-kyun was a regular member of the party, and it is legal for 570,000 members of our party's list to be legally provided for primary activities. But when it comes to using the race, the camp's own poll is not a problem.

However, whether it was illegally misused, or whether Myung Tae-kyun illegally acquired other DBs or did what he should not do as a member of the party, this is of course an issue that should be addressed in the request audit. That's why we have to do what the party has to do, not whether it's an ally or an enemy, but to resolve public suspicions.

[Anchor]
Speaking today, I think there will be a lot to talk about at the chat on Monday, but I'll see if this can all be solved. Lee Chang-geun, chairman of the People's Power Hanam-eul, and Jang Hyun-joo, former vice chairman of the Democratic Party of Korea's legal committee. Thank you.