[Current situation] Democratic Party of Korea unveils President Yoon and Myung Tae-kyun's call promotion... Controversy over 'intervention in nomination'

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■ Starring: Attorney Seo Jeong-wook, Attorney Lee Seung-hoon

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[Anchor]
a political commentary with a lively angle Let's get started on time. Today, there are two lawyers, Seo Jeong-wook and Lee Seung-hoon. Welcome. This morning, the Democratic Party held an emergency press conference and released the details of the phone call between Myung Tae-kyun and President Yoon Suk Yeol. Let's hear that first.

[Yoon Suk Yeol / President: The mission committee brought it to me, so I ran hard since Kim Young-sun was in the race, so please do that. But the party talked a lot.. ]

[Mr. Myung Taekyun: I will never forget your kindness. Thank you.]

[Anchor]
The content is exactly what you heard. This is the call made on May 9, 2022. President Yoon Suk Yeol, he was elected at the time. The call was made between Yoon Suk Yeol and Myung Tae-kyun. This is the first time that President Yoon Suk Yeol and Myung Tae-kyun have talked on the phone.

[Lee Seung Hoon]
Yes, I expected it.I think Ma was released quickly. After all, President Yoon Suk Yeol intervened in the by-election nomination and nominated former lawmaker Kim Young-sun, even while he was elected. And the next day, the nomination was confirmed while he was president. Therefore, this problem is expected to expand to the president's intervention in nominations. Since there are still many transcripts of the Democratic Party of Korea in the future, I think it would be better for the president to reveal the facts first because simply making an excuse that Yoon Suk Yeol has never been briefed or condoned.

[Anchor]
Looking at the timing of this recording, we have organized the timing graphically, and it would be nice if you could show it to us. This is the details of the call made on May 9th. So there was a presidential election in March, and on May 9th, when the call was made, President Yoon Suk Yeol was about to take office. The by-elections took place in June. So, President Yoon Suk Yeol, what you and Myung Tae-kyun exchanged over the nomination of former lawmaker Kim Young-sun was recorded like that. What do you think it's about?

[Jungwook Seo]
First of all, if I tell you the legal thing, you're the president-elect. There's a precedent for this. In the past, President Roh Moo Hyun called the prosecutor when he was elected, and this went into the reason for impeachment, but the Constitutional Court does not have a job execution. He is not a civil servant. Therefore, it is not a reason for impeachment or a public official, let me clarify this. And secondly, Myung Taekyun didn't record this and give it to me. It is illegal to record conversations between others whether Myung Tae-kyun played it or not. This means that I don't have the ability to testify. Let me first say these two things legally. Maybe another third party recorded what Myung Tae-kyun bragged about and showed off.

[Anchor]
So you didn't record it yourself? Since Myung Tae-kyun didn't record it and release it himself, I personally think he doesn't have the ability to testify. That's how you see it, right?

[Jungwook Seo]
That's right. It's a conversation between others. Even if I played it and showed it off, it would be a legal problem if I secretly recorded it and talked with others. So there was originally a saying that it would be released during the session of the National Assembly, using immunity. However, after the parliamentary audit, there must have been a judgment from various Democratic parties. This is a rumor that has already been circulating for a long time.

[Anchor]
Was this rumor going around? What lawyer Seo Jeong-wook is claiming now, saying that it would not be seen as a nomination intervention because he was elected, there are precedents, which contradicts the Democratic Party's argument, how do you judge it?

[Lee Seung Hoon]
Former President Roh Moo Hyun called the prosecutor? It seems to be a completely different problem than this. I called as an elected president. That itself is inappropriate, but the nomination was confirmed after being elected and after taking office as president. Then, I think this is a problem because the nomination of former lawmaker Kim Young-sun was confirmed without withdrawing such things, even though President Yoon Suk Yeol may have asked the chairman of the mission or former representative Lee Joon-seok.

You also said that the recordings recorded by Myung Tae-kyun are not evidence-worthy. I guess Myung Tae-kyun played it to the people around him after talking to the president on the phone. But I think someone recorded it, but this is not a violation of the Communications Secret Protection Act. Not at all because it was a recording of what was played between the interlocutors. I think it's evidence. That's why the presidential office's explanation should be clear, and I don't think this will disappoint the people even more.

[Anchor]
I think the listeners will be confused because two lawyers are talking about different things, but is this legally effective, is it open to dispute?

[Jungwook Seo]
There is a precedent for the Constitutional Court's status as the president-elect. When you are elected, you can't have a reason for impeachment, so look at it in common sense. The president has to break the constitution or laws in executing his duties. But the elected person cannot execute the duties of the president. Therefore, it is clear that it is not impeachment or illegal among the elected. And let's say Myung Taekyun played this to show off. But it looks like he secretly recorded it. It may be different if you recorded it under the understanding of Myung Tae-kyun, like lawyer Lee Seung-hoon. I didn't record it secretly. After all, didn't you secretly record and release it whether you showed off your conversation with others or not? This is under the Communications Secret Protection Act.

[Anchor]
We can't know the situation of recording it, so I think it's a matter to consider later. I prepared a graphic of the recording, so it would be nice if you could show me some. President Yoon Suk Yeol, at the time he was elected. The officialdom committee brought it to me, so I asked Kim Young-sun to do that because she ran hard during the election, but the party talked a lot. This is what it's about. So, Kim Young-sun, please do it here. This can be a problem, but the Democratic Party of Korea insists that this is an intervention in the nomination.

[Jungwook Seo]
But in my opinion, I saw that lawmaker Yoon Sang-hyun was also interviewed, and the nomination was made by the chairman of the mission and 11 members of the mission. I'll do it here, and finally, I have to stamp the party leader's seal. It has to be passed at the top of the leadership. There is no space for First Lady Kim Gun-hee or the President to intervene directly. However, if he is the president-elect, he will report it when the conclusion is reached at the end. I don't think it's illegal to simply report. In such a situation, Myung Tae-kyun kept calling me and making me sleepy, so maybe I came out with lip service or words of blessing. In fact, the president can't keep on giving Kim Young-sun from the beginning, so he can't do it like this. What do you bring from the official residence? Does this make sense? What would you carry into the presidential office? Rep. Yoon Sang-hyun is jumping up and down.

[Anchor]
We will also deliver the entrance to the presidential office. Please show us the graphic. The presidential office also made this position in relation to the recording released by the Democratic Party this time. At that time, Yoon Suk Yeol had never received a report on the nomination from the Nomination Management Committee, nor had he ordered the nomination. At that time, the party leader Lee Joon-seok and Yoon Sang-hyun, chairman of the nomination management committee, were in charge of the nomination. I emphasized it like this. At the time, the contents of the phone call were not that important, and in a way, it was done as a kind of pep talk. How did you like it?

[Lee Seung Hoon]
Contrary to the opinion of the presidential office, don't you think it's very important from the perspective of the people? Because it determines one's fate and elects a constitutional body, a member of the National Assembly. What's wrong with this is that the president said that the mission committee reported it. It's not someone else's saying. It's not a message. But Kim Young-sun said do it, and the next day, the nomination was confirmed. Where is that area? In the case of Changwon Uichang area, the power of the people only needs to nominate.

Then the people who spent so much time over there trying to win the nomination were completely ignored and the presidential office suddenly nominated someone they had no connection with. However, there is a question that the nomination is of some kind of price. For example, he spent 370 million won on manipulating opinion polls and gave Yoon Suk Yeol an advantage in the presidential race. There's talk about this, right? We need to investigate.E. Then, it was nominated in return for the cost of the poll, so it could be a real hawk. I don't think the president's office will be able to explain this part. I tell you that the prosecution should investigate quickly.

[Anchor]
I'll give you an additional explanation of the president's office. At that time, the Tang decided to strategically nominate all regions except Jeju Island. We have a graphic ready, so please show us. In the case of Changwon, South Gyeongsang Province, Kim Young-sun was the most competitive candidate, and as a result, Kim Young-sun was elected by an overwhelming margin of votes. And the phone call between elected Yoon and Myung Tae-kyun at the time was not particularly memorable, and he explained, "I was just saying good things because Myung Tae-kyun kept talking about nominating Kim Young-sun." After hearing the recording, I was just saying good things. I think there will be many opinions on this part whether this can be a clear explanation.

[Jungwook Seo]
You have to be really careful when recording. Because recording is also possible for devil's editing. There's only a part of it. Then, when we talk, we give a lot of good words to the other person. There's no reason to tell the truth to Myung Taekyun. And the next day is the inauguration day, so there's no situation, so you might not remember it, so it looks like this. This lawyer has no connection now. Why don't you have any ointment? Representative Kim Young-sun's hometown is Gyeongnam. It's Geochang, and it's close to Changwon. We're from the same hometown.

I did it because there was no female lawmaker at that time. As far as I know, he's competitive and multi-term lawmaker, and he's four terms. He's four terms and I think he deserves the nomination. And there are 11 members of the mission these days. Do they want you to be president? We had a general election this time. Then is Lee Joon-seok, the leader of the party, going to stamp Kim Young-sun for the president when he doesn't know what to do at all? Ask if you were pressured by CEO Lee Jun-seok.

[Anchor]
Anyway, regarding this recording, the presidential office now seems to be drawing a line like this, saying that it is a matter under the jurisdiction of Yoon Sang-hyun, chairman of the nomination management committee, and Lee Joon-seok. How do you see that?

[Lee Seung Hoon]
I think that's the most comfortable way. Former CEO Lee Jun-seok, look at it now. Didn't you go to Chilbulsa Temple and plant red plum blossoms in depth to receive the nomination flag and win the election? That's how much it's related to Myung Tae-kyun. In addition, First Lady Kim Gun-hee called Representative Yoon Sang-hyun, the head of the mission committee called, and asked him to come to the inauguration ceremony tomorrow. The next day, Myung Taekyun went to the inauguration ceremony. All of that is leading to the truth of what Myung Tae-kyun said. And what did you get in return, Myung Taekyun?

You got half of lawmaker Kim Young-sun's salary. Since Myung Tae-kyun played that role, President Yoon Suk Yeol gave him the nomination, right? And I think it's hard for the presidential office staff to ask the president because this is true. Eventually, the presidential office staff could become stupid. Clearly, President Yoon Suk Yeol and First Lady Kim Gun-hee should give an explanation to those who assist the President's Office. Otherwise, you said you didn't get a report today, but you can get a transcript saying you got a report tomorrow. If so, I will lose the trust of the people and the pollack gate will go to the tsunami, so I don't think I can just respond to the current phenomenon.

[Anchor]
If the nomination intervention was actually carried out as the Democratic Party claimed, could Yoon Sang-hyun, chairman of the nomination management committee, not know at the time?

[Lee Seung Hoon]
There's no way you don't know. Mrs. Kim Gun-hee calls Myung Tae-kyun right away. I called Yoon Sang-hyun, chairman of the nomination management committee. Come tomorrow for the inauguration. And it's a secret, I say it all to this effect. Why would it be a secret? However, the problem is that there was a transcript that confirmed that President Yoon Suk Yeol directly intervened in the nomination, so I think the bank will collapse if the presidential office does it in the same manner as now.

[Anchor]
In any case, since the current recording includes such things as "I brought it from the official residence committee," who took it then? Rep. Yoon Sang-hyun says he didn't take it. How do I solve this riddle?

[Jungwook Seo]
That's why it's a pep talk and it doesn't make sense. In common sense, which member carries what to get approval from the president with the chairman?

[Anchor]
There's no way the mission commissioner just took it?

[Jungwook Seo]
Right. With the chairman? If I went there, the chairman would have gone. But the chairman didn't go. Therefore, it is not true just by looking at this, it is at the level of a pep talk. This is obvious. And a little while ago, they keep saying Sebi and Ban, but I calculated it. Parliamentarian Sebi and a half, it's a few hundred a month. It's a by-election. It's about a year and 10 months, but they keep calling it a nomination fee, but they had a money deal.You know, a money trader. You shouldn't say definitively that you've divided your salary in half in exchange for nomination.

[Anchor]
Anyway, the chairman of the nomination management committee at the time of the by-elections in June 2022 was current lawmaker Yoon Sang-hyun. I answered the reporters' questions today. Let's listen to it for ourselves. I'm the chairman of the committee, but I'm not sure if the committee member would have gone and talked about it.

[Lee Seung Hoon]
If you look at lawmaker Yoon Sang-hyun's attitude today, you don't think he would have gone if you really wanted to receive it. I feel like about one of the commissioners always went to report to the president or his wife.

[Anchor]
That's a guess, isn't it?

[Lee Seung-hoon]
Speculation. And does Yoon Sang-hyun, chairman of the mission committee, have to go? Kim Gun-hee is on the phone. After President Yoon Suk Yeol and Myung Tae-kyun hung up the phone, First Lady Kim Gun-hee called right away, and she said she spoke to the head of the mission. And then someone reported it before that. In that respect... the president's office has no authority right now. If there was authority, these call transcripts are not released like this. So it means that authority has disappeared too much, and anyone who doesn't have authority reports. So, I say that it is necessary to provide a sincere explanation rather than a false explanation continuously.

[Anchor]
President's office, I gave you an explanation today. Therefore, Rep. Lee Joon-seok was also angry at the position that Yoon Sang-hyun, chairman of the mission committee, and Lee Joon-seok, chairman of the mission, were in charge at the time. Since the presidential office said that this should be explained, he was angry that this was not a double-headed drum, but a human water depth. In what situations and what part does CEO Lee Jun-seok think he should be responsible for at that time?

[Jungwook Seo]
Let's take a look at the nomination letter for Kim Young-sun, whose stamp is on it. In the past, CEO Kim Moo-sung carried the national seal, carried it with the national seal, or finally carried it in a cabinet. If we don't get a party leader, we won't be nominated. That's right. Then why does CEO Lee Joon-seok take a picture of Kim Young-sun? Is it wrong to explain whether you took it under the president's request or pressure, or if you took it confidently because you were able to do so? There's a stamp on it. Did someone else stamp the seal? Did you steal it and take it?

I'm telling you to reveal that. Lawyer Lee keeps talking about it twice a while ago, and Kim Gun-hee talked to Representative Yoon Sang-hyun right after the call. That's a one-sided explanation from Myung Tae-kyun, and I heard Representative Yoon Sang-hyun's explanation on another broadcast. They don't even know Kim Gun-hee's number. There are a lot of people who don't know Kim Gun-hee's number. Would First Lady Kim Gun-hee call Representative Yoon Sang-hyun? Does this make sense in common sense? Wasn't it Kang Hye-kyung or the person who told the story after Myung Tae-kyun broke up? Therefore, you shouldn't categorically talk about something completely unfounded as if Mrs. Kim Gun-hee had spoken to Representative Yoon Sang-hyun.

[Anchor]
In any case, Rep. Yoon Sang-hyun also never spoke to First Lady Kim Gun-hee on the phone at the time. I would like to inform you that I answered the reporters' questions like that today. Rep. Lee Joon-seok, then the party leader. We're talking about who is asking the president's office to explain to whom, but CEO Lee Joon-seok is not free in relation to the controversy over Myung Tae-kyun, right?

[Lee Seung Hoon]
That's right. I think I'm really angry today, but I think it's going to be very burdensome inside. On the surface, representative Lee Joon-seok fought a lot with the president of Yoon Suk Yeol. He said he was going the right way, but he just tolerated it, just like asking Yoon Sang-hyun, chairman of the nomination management committee, to nominate Kim Young-sun for a by-election. If so, why did he do that? Whether you bow your head to President Yoon Suk Yeol or if you just turned a blind eye to this because there were inappropriate things in your long relationship with Myung Tae-kyun, you can think of various things.

Because of this, CEO Lee Joon-seok seems to be more active in saying that this is not my work, but the work of President Yoon Suk Yeol. There are a lot of things coming out right now. Gangwon-do Governor Kim Jin-tae was also cut off, but there are many stories such as the revival of the nomination because he swore allegiance to First Lady Kim Gun-hee, but there are many related situations to move on to the fact that this is just Myung Tae-kyun's gossip or Myung Tae-kyun's bluster. I think you need to explain these parts exactly.

[Anchor]
It's former CEO Lee Jun-seok. Rep. Lee Joon-seok also explains that he has been asked by Myung Tae-kyun to nominate Kim Young-sun as a former lawmaker. I received it, but I explained only the principles of Dangheon Danggyu. There's this kind of party rule. It's different for each person who says how the nomination of former lawmaker Kim Young-sun was made, so shouldn't this be investigated within the party?

[Jungwook Seo]
That's what I'm saying. If Representative Kim Young-sun won another nomination in this year's general election, who will be stamped? CEO Han Dong-hoon's seal will be stamped. Then CEO Han Dong-hoon has to explain. Whether I did it under the pressure of First Lady Kim Gun-hee or President Yoon Suk Yeol.

[Anchor]
First of all, it is the responsibility of the person who took the seal.

[Jungwook Seo]
That's right. You need a seal to be nominated. I'm telling you to connect with all the representatives of the party. I'm saying CEO Lee Jun-seok should explain that. You should tell me whether you took a picture of Kim Young-sun because she was the right person, or whether you took it because First Lady Kim Gun-hee or President Yoon asked you to take it because you put pressure on her. Why does human noodle soup come out? You have to make a call. Isn't the party leader that serious? The party leader. And there were only a few nominations at that time.

It's when you're all interested. Then CEO Lee Jun-seok must have been very interested. You took it for me. And one more thing, we're talking about lawmaker Kim Jin-tae. At that time, the cut-off was made, so we had to give him a chance to compete on the show, so CEO Lee Joon-seok went to the restaurant himself because he was on a lot of shows. I gave him a chance to run in the race. But you won. It doesn't make sense to cut off the most competitive candidate. That's why it's done, and this is Kim Gun-hee's pledge of loyalty... Ask CEO Lee Jun-seok about that. Why did you cut it off, and CEO Lee Jun-seok will know the process well. That's a ridiculous story.

[Anchor]
It seems like a ping pong game, but anyway, it is undeniable that CEO Lee Joon-seok was stamped at the time. But isn't the chairman of the nomination management committee responsible for the nomination? In this case, who is ultimately responsible?

[Lee Seung Hoon]
Legally, CEO Lee Joon-seok stamped it. But CEO Lee Joon-seok is the owner of the pants. There's a separate president. Take a look. President of Yoon Suk Yeol is inaugurated as president. I'm calling the day before. The nomination will be confirmed on the president's inauguration day. Who would listen to Lee Jun-seok? Of course, I don't listen to it. Since the president's authority and power are enormous, I think the nomination was confirmed through a phone call from President Yoon Suk Yeol. You have to say something different from this, but will the people understand this by passing it on to CEO Lee Joon-seok? I don't think I believe.

[Anchor]
First of all, the recordings of President Yoon Suk Yeol and Myung Tae-kyun were released today. It was recorded when he was elected. Is there any possibility that something more will come out? Or does the Democratic Party's revelation stop today? What do you expect?

[Lee Seung Hoon]
I heard there's still a lot. The floor leader said, I have a lot of transcripts. It's not right to attack like this. Rather than disclosing them all at once, if you reveal them and lie in the president's office, you're refuting the lie again. However, it is expected that the floor leader will announce the fact that he has never been reported or approved by the presidential office today. That's why the presidential office, which has come to the bottom, doesn't have to lose any more authority. You confess honestly and it's the president's own problem. Now, I think that if the president really feels unfair and has done nothing wrong, it can only be a reversal card if the special prosecutor's card is released from the president's office.

[Anchor]
It seems that the official position of the people's power has not come out on today's recording. I think the party's response will also be very important. How do you think we should respond?

[Jungwook Seo]
First of all, we have to make efforts to find the truth, but we have to wait and see. There's a lot that hasn't been revealed yet. As I said earlier, the president-elect is not a public servant. So, like the election interference in the Public Official Election Act, the case of the president of Park Geun Hye. He intervened when it was clear that was not the case.They said they didn't give up 100 or 1,000 times. Even if you do, you can't commit a crime. What kind of special investigation is there to do when it's not a crime? The special prosecutor is the prosecution.

The special prosecution is conducted when there is a crime charge, but this is the same politically, regardless of the crime itself, as representative Lee Jae-myung intervened in the general election. Because I'm a civilian. Representative Lee Jae-myung is not supposed to intervene in the nomination. But since you're actually the leader of the party, it can have an impact. The same goes for the president of Yoon Suk Yeol. Legally, you shouldn't intervene in the nomination, but since you're the president, you can actually have an impact, but you've not been briefed on anything, but legally, neither of them is a problem.

[Anchor]
The interpretation seems to be quite mixed, but how should we interpret the difference between being able to exert influence and being involved?

[Lee Seung Hoon]
I think the intervention is a more active expression than it was influential. It's illegal for the president to intervene, whether it's influential or intervening. You intervened in nomination and party affairs. And it's illegal because he intervened in the nomination. Think about representing your country. With one day left before the statute of limitations on the issue of the citation, the prosecution was filed without confirmation of the facts. Then, when the prosecutor prosecuted later, there were a few crimes, so it increased a lot.

What this is is that the number of crimes continues to increase because of the search and seizure through investigation and investigation of all related persons. Without an investigation, there will be no prosecution and no trial. So if there is no investigation, no prosecution, and no trial, I would say that it is better to go directly to the special prosecutor now.

[Anchor]
I'll ask this question to lawyer Lee Seung-hoon. Before the nomination intervention, the Democratic Party of Korea was controversial over the alleged manipulation of public opinion. To what extent do you think this has been explained?

[Lee Seung Hoon]
There's no explanation. First of all, whether public opinion is manipulated is manipulating the sample. For example, they put samples in their 20s and 30s as people they know and gave them more weight to manipulate the samples, or fake 1,500 people who called 2,000 people without calling and did not respond. These things are coming out in Myung Tae-kyun's voice right now. If you do that, there's a bandwagon effect.

It's making the candidate for the Yoon Suk Yeol the first place. That's why I can't be a candidate for Hong Joon Pyo. You have to push it to the Yoon Suk Yeol. And in terms of competition with CEO Lee Jae-myung, Yoon Suk Yeol can win more. If you manipulate the polls like this, the presidential candidates will change and the president will change. It's a really serious problem, and I don't know if the prosecution hasn't investigated this part yet, but I can't even breathe in private.Ma needs to let the people know that these parts are being investigated properly.

[Anchor]
So Kang Hye-kyung, who was in charge of accounting management for former lawmaker Kim Young-sun, claims that Myung Tae-kyun conducted a poll for the candidate for the primary at the time of Yoon Suk Yeol and won the nomination of former lawmaker Kim Young-sun in return. Do you think the basis for that connection has been accumulated to some extent now?

[Jungwook Seo]
What makes almost no sense to me is that when I ask, there are as many as five polls a day in the presidential election, and as many as dozens of polls a day. Therefore, they don't have time to report the results of the poll to the president. But there are so many, but do we have to ask for another closed poll? I don't know about small elections or in-party races, but the presidential election is not at the scale of being controlled by a single pollster. All the pollsters are in the presidential election.

So that doesn't make sense. Looking at the subtitles, it's impeachment, and it's a metaphor for Park Geun Hye's president. For impeachment, I looked at the impeachment ruling of President Roh Moo Hyun earlier. It is stated that the act of the elected president is not subject to impeachment at all. But it was an act when he was elected. This doesn't make sense. And then President Park Geun Hye, take a good look. According to the Public Official Election Act, there are acts in which public officials conduct public opinion polls or do not work. But isn't that a two-year ruling that was made for the public opinion poll, not just for public officials, at that time? It makes no sense, as if a completely different case is made up of a conspiracy alone.

[Anchor]
There is a recording of Rep. Ko Min-jung, so it would be nice if you could prepare it. There are also criticisms that the grounds are weak to explain that it is not because the details of the phone calls between Myung Tae-kyun and Kang Hye-kyung come out.

[Lee Seung Hoon]
That's why the president's office's excuse is difficult. And the prosecution is also difficult. Because Kang Hye-kyung and Myung Tae-kyun are on the phone. Manipulate the polls. Wouldn't that actually manipulate the polls? And you have to go meet the president with this fabricated poll result. But if you don't meet the president, you don't have to conduct a poll or manipulate it. And why do you poll when the president doesn't pay you or give you a nomination? Kang Hye-kyung is not a fool, and Myung Tae-kyun is not a fool.

Since you're urging the president to meet and report, you're taking a poll and taking it up. Does the president need to spend 370,000 on polls that he doesn't even want? Therefore, when the prosecution investigates, this will inevitably be revealed if they find out the movements of Myung Tae-kyun or the actual results of the polls through phone calls and phone calls. It's a question of whether the prosecution is late or fast in the investigation, and now the prosecution in the Yoon Suk Yeol government won't investigate, they'll delay it. But if you say you're going into a regime change, the prosecution's cabinet has a document to catch President Yoon Suk Yeol and First Lady Kim Gun-hee.

[Anchor]
It also tells you that the poll was not fabricated, but corrected for the analysis of the situation. This morning, Rep. Ko Min-jung said this about the alleged manipulation of opinion polls. Let's listen to it. Rep. Ko Min-jung argues that if the funds went out of the party, shouldn't the party be raided?

[Jungwook Seo]
There were 81 of them, and 50 of them were released. There's no problem with what's been revealed. But who would ask for this by manipulating the closed doors 31 times? There's no reason to ask if we don't even reveal it. But there's something like this when I ask. It creates a poll by manipulating it. Let's take this and go. For example, whether it's Mayor Oh Se-hoon or the president. Then, there is something that is manipulated to show this advantage and use it as a passage for the regime. By the way, would the party or the presidential camp ask Myung Tae-kyun for that? So it doesn't make sense. Then where did the cost of 370,000 come from? It was calculated as they wanted. The next victim of manipulation is the mayor of Hong Joon Pyo as a candidate. But why are people making a fuss when he says it's okay?

[Lee Seung Hoon]
Just because the Hong Joon Pyo Daegu market is okay doesn't mean it's okay. Now that I've passed, I can't change the president, but CEO Han Dong-hoon is at odds with President Yoon Suk Yeol, so I think he's an integrated messenger that doesn't even make a problem of this. It's not a question of whether it's a question, it's a question of public opinion. As CEO Han Dong-hoon says, public opinion manipulation is a serious crime. It's about changing candidates. It's about changing the president. It's changing the constitutional body of the National Assembly. Shouldn't this go away?

[Anchor]
However, if you listen to Rep. Ko Min-jung's story, it will target the power of the people, and if the special prosecution includes this information, wouldn't it be hard to get the power of the people because the seizure and search of the People's Power Party itself is inevitable? How do you see it?

[Lee Seung-hoon]
Rep. Ko Min-jung's remarks don't seem to fit in the legal situation. Because candidate Yoon Suk Yeol came in as a candidate at that time, and it hasn't been long since he came to the power of the people, but I don't think he polled with the power of the people. In the end, the president is curious about what my approval rating will be. I asked for the poll because I could be elected as a candidate only when my approval rating is high and it could be a violation of the Political Fund Act because Myung Tae-kyun paid the money.

[Anchor]
Anyway, with the controversy over Myung Tae-kyun, the Democratic Party of Korea is raising the level of its offensive against First Lady Kim Gun-hee considerably. Lawyer Seo Jeong-wook recently told the media that Kim Gun-hee should change, is there a card in the presidential office preparing something?

[Jungwook Seo]
I interpreted it as if someone had to divorce me that it should be turned into a strategic move, but that's not it.

[Anchor]
You didn't talk about divorce?

[Jungwook Seo]
Of course not. One of the factors of negative evaluation is the problem of Mrs. Kim Gun-hee, so let's discuss strategic measures.

[Anchor]
I also misunderstood at first.

[Jungwook Seo]
So what I suggested is, for example, to strategically refrain from going abroad. This time, I made it private with the Polish first lady. Our Mapo Bridge is also well-intentioned, but since it is criticized, let's do our service behind closed doors to other places. These problems. And Myung Tae-kyun, you know, there are a lot of phone calls from Jin Jung-kwon to Lee Myung-soo. Who would you trust in this world? These days, we're in the era of recording. Let's refrain from calling or texting these outsiders as much as possible. This, then the special inspector or the second annex, was proposed as a change.

[Anchor]
So you think the special inspector should get it in Yongsan, right?

[Jungwook Seo]
The president's accurate writing should be recommended by the ruling and opposition parties, and I will definitely receive it. This is a consistent position.

[Anchor]
I keep hearing that the president's office will come up with some reform measures to mark the halfway point of his term in office, and that he is preparing something. Do you have any cards in mind?

[Jungwook Seo]
It's a reorganization. You can't change a big policy because there's nothing wrong with it. A big reform plan has to go. Personnel reform if necessary rather than policy reform. There are a lot of old characters. There are some ministers who have been over two years. Then, I think it is necessary to focus on a new and full-scale personnel reform.

[Anchor]
This morning, Woo Sang-ho, a former lawmaker, said in a media interview that Kim Gun-hee is stubbornly opposed, so everything is not working out in the second office.

[Lee Seung Hoon]
I'm sure you did it because you had information. I know you're right, but I've been thinking about this lately. When First Lady Kim Gun-hee is being beaten like this in all news and all media, why does President Yoon Suk Yeol leave her like this? Rather, in order to avoid being beaten like this, the first thing to do is to preemptively stop the first lady's activities and the president revamp her personnel. You have to do this, but you have to actively explain the suspicions, but you're just neglecting them. I don't know how much I love Mrs. Kim Gunhee.Ma says that now the president's office must deal with it.

[Anchor]
As the time of probation is now halfway through the term, public opinion seems to be rising that something should come out. This has been lawyer Seo Jeong-wook and lawyer Lee Seung-hoon. Thank you.