Jang Ye-chan, "Even 20% of the Maginot Line is serious...Yongsan, we need to advance the order of time for the renewal of state affairs."

[News FM Lee Ik-seon Choi Soo-young Issue & People]

□ Broadcast date and time: November 1, 2024 (Fri)
□ Host: Lee Ik-seon, Choi Soo-young
□ Performers: Kim Sung-wan, current affairs critic, Jang Ye-chan, the supreme council member for the power of the whole nation

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◇ Interest Line: This is a segment with two people who analyze twisted political issues in a fun and easy-to-understand manner. We have Kim Sung-wan, a critic of current affairs who reads the poem "Top Three of the Week", and Jang Ye-chan, a member of the Supreme Council of the Power of the People. Please come in.

◆ Choi Soo-young: Welcome.

★ Kim Seong-wan, ☆ Jang Ye-chan: Hello.

◇ Lee Ik-seon: It's the top three this week, but the presidential record released yesterday covered all political issues. So today, we're going to take a moment to look at the repercussions around this issue that has frozen the nation. So strictly speaking, I think it will be 'Top One'.

◆ Choi Soo-young: Today's editorial title of conservative daily newspapers is also a bit unusual. The Dong-A Ilbo wrote, "Shock and the aftermath," and the Chosun Ilbo wrote, "Is it okay to leave the president and his wife as it is?" ’ I wrote it like this, but as soon as the Democratic Party of Korea released the recording of Myung Tae-kyun with the president of Yoon Suk Yeol, the wavelength was scheduled, but anyway, as the recording of the president's development comes out, I think it's going to be a wave.

☆ Jang Ye-chan: Until then, I heard this from Myung Tae-kyun. If the message was in the recording with Kang Hye-kyung, who was an aide, this time, President Yoon Suk Yeol's voice was released for the first time. Looking at the inside, I think A, who served as a kind of secretary for Myung Tae-kyun, secretly turned on the recorder or pressed the recording button on his phone to record it. So this is not the original recording, it's a recording of the recording. Anyway, this call itself was recognized by the president's office. However, in the process of receiving hundreds of thousands of congratulatory calls while he was the president-elect before he took office, he just answered congratulatory calls and said good things. I'm explaining it to that extent. In fact, I was a little puzzled, as far as I know, President Yoon Suk Yeol was just before the presidential election of the people's power was over. So, I almost cut off contact with Myung Tae-kyun right before he was confirmed as a presidential candidate after beating Daegu Mayor Hong Joon Pyo, and I confirmed through high-ranking officials in the presidential office and these reporters, and so did the presidential office's position. However, in the middle, it has not yet been revealed what kind of contact did he have when he was a presidential candidate or did he really lose contact, and the recording was released after the election, but there has been no contact between Myung Tae-kyun and the president since then. However, it is said that this is just a congratulatory call or a good story in the process of ending the election after the election, but there are clearly differences in this matter from the past cases of former President Park Geun Hye. But I think the recording file that the Democratic Party took over from Mr. A is considerable. The recording file of the recording. And there is a recording file of Rep. Lee Joon-seok and Myung Tae-kyun, and I guess a person named Myung Tae-kyun recorded a call with a politician and played it to people around him. This is hard to understand with common sense, but since the secretary recorded it again, the important thing here is that the political community is focused on what more recordings will come out in the future.

◆ Choi Soo-young: But isn't there a big impact in the political world because there have been screenshots of Kim and others on Kakao Talk? Why do you think the Democratic Party disclosed it at this point?

★ Kim Sung-wan: It's hard to estimate that because I don't know what you talked about with the person who had the recording. If I have to think about it in my own way, the Steering Committee will be held at the National Assembly today. However, the steering committee usually says that there are some unwritten rules for the ruling and opposition parties to ask questions based on what has already been disclosed. However, in order to hear the presidential office's position at the steering committee, it is right to disclose the recordings of the Democratic Party in advance so that they can be reported to the media. So I heard that I purposely revealed it yesterday, across a bridge. But actually, I don't think that's very important. I was actually surprised yesterday, too. I'm sure many people were surprised, too. I thought it was enough to talk to the president on the phone. In the meantime, many recordings related to Myung Tae-kyun and Kang Hye-kyung and former lawmaker Kim Young-sun have been released. When it was released, he said, "Myeong Tae-kyun is a so-called election broker," and within the ruling party, he said, "He's a fraud," but after the recordings of President Yoon were released, I thought, "That's not it." And in the context of the recordings in the front and back, it has been confirmed that Myung Tae-kyun has not lied in the meantime. In that sense, I think many people would have been more shocked.

◇ Lee Ik-seon: Yes, but it is pointed out that this is contrary to the explanation that the presidential office issued on the 8th. The presidential office said at the time that he had no memory of talking to Myung on the phone since the presidential election. There was a brief mention of this part earlier.

☆ Jang Ye-chan: As I said, from what senior officials in the presidential office have learned, it seems that after the presidential election, contact between Myung Tae-kyun and President Yoon Suk Yeol has been lost. However, President Yoon Suk Yeol also told his aides at a luncheon yesterday that he doesn't remember receiving such a phone call with Myung Tae-kyun when he was elected, so if there's anything, he'll probably solve it more because the Democratic Party has a transcript. But if I guess from the explanation of President Lee's office, I think there is a high probability that there will be no additional contact after the primary until the presidential election. However, after the election, I get a lot of congratulatory calls from all over the place. Even if he recognized the problem and cut it off, he must have answered the phone with a good heart because he introduced Chairman Kim Jong-in and Chairman Lee Jun-seok before Yoon Suk Yeol joined the party. And looking at this person named Myung Tae-kyun at the time, our political circles can't easily ask for a favor even if we ask for a favor. Most politicians. But I think she's the type to ask me a lot of requests. But I thought he just handed it over in a good mood, so if he became a presidential candidate and kept in touch since he was in the middle of the presidential election, the Democratic Party would open it. If you open it, the president's explanation is a lie. If not, as the presidential office originally said, when he was a presidential candidate after not exchanging or doing such things, he was elected and received a congratulatory call with a good heart, so I have to guess that he answered the phone with a good feeling because he remembered the things he helped in the past.

★ Kim Sung-wan: But I think this has worsened the situation in the presidential office. I don't know why you keep pushing yourself to a corner. I don't think it would have been more difficult if the position that the presidential office said in more detail had been well stated in the first place. He said he stopped contacting him, so he said he kept in touch until the presidential election. And President Yoon said he never contacted or texted each other in person. But it turned out to be false right now. And Mrs. Kim Gun-hee said, "Didn't she contact you to soothe you?" From what's been revealed, it doesn't appear that he contacted Myung Tae-kyun simply to soothe him. Rather, it seems that Mrs. Kim Gun-hee actively played a role in the middle. That doesn't make sense either. The president answering the phone like this the day before his inauguration. I think you'll be standing on the opposite side of me right now, how busy would you be on the eve of your inauguration? in one's electorate We would have had to do the schedule every minute. In the meantime, what on earth is a person named Myung Tae-kyun? Do you take the call from Myung Taekyun? And after receiving it, according to Myung Taekyun, it's that. President Yoon talks to him on the phone and Myung Tae-kyun says thank you. After delivering it, President Yoon said to First Lady Kim Gun-hee, "It's okay, right?" So first lady Kim Gunhee made the president and Myung Taekyun talk on the phone. That's what you're talking about. Then, if you say you gave the nomination, it is true that former lawmaker Kim Young-sun won the nomination, so it means that Kim Gun-hee intervened in the middle. This is also a very serious problem. But after the voice recording was released yesterday, President Yoon Suk Yeol told his aides like this. "Was there such a call? It was not a memorable call. ” Wording is included in this Hankook Ilbo article. If the president says he doesn't remember like this, his aides can't respond. From what I see, the staff will continue to maintain this position. In this way, if additional recordings are released, they are more cornered. As you may remember during the impeachment of President Park Geun Hye in the past, the more outrageous the people become when lies are revealed. I don't think we should forget this fact.

☆ Jang Ye-chan: The steering committee is in the National Assembly for a long time now on this situation. Isn't chief of staff Jeong Jin-seok being asked a lot by the opposition party? I think it would be the most accurate at the moment to introduce the answers to that instead. Chief of Staff Jeong Jin-seok said about the phone call between President Yoon Suk Yeol and Myung Tae-kyun on May 9, 2022, emphasized that the essence was that the president cut off Myung Tae-kyun's assistance in the middle. In fact, it is said that he hung up hard. He explained that Myung Tae-kyun interfered with the election rules, so he told me not to call his wife in the future, and then he got a phone call the day before his inauguration to congratulate him. Regarding Kim Gun-hee's part, he explained that the family's psychology is to do its best to win the election of her husband, and that the president stopped contacting her, but her spouse, Kim Gun-hee, is not able to do so, and that she wants to comfort her and talk nicely without her husband's knowledge to lead the election to the end. In fact, I didn't say anything about it, but as Chief of Staff Jeong Jin-seok said, at the end of the race, the biggest topic was how Myung Tae-kyun would vote for party members and poll ratio in relation to the rules for the presidential election of the people's power. But with that, he gave some advice. We need to increase the poll rate or not. So, then President Yoon Suk Yeol was a candidate for the primary at the time. I heard that this was too much, so I hung up like this, telling you not to call or text me, but that was what Director Jeong Jin-seok told me. Since then, there has been no direct exchange with the president, but since it was all over with a congratulatory call the day before he was inaugurated, why didn't he answer the phone well? In order to confirm the facts about this, the additional A, secured by the Democratic Party, reported in the transcript. So, I think we have to wait and see if there was another call or not before May 9th.

★ Kim Sung-wan: As President Yoon said, I think he keeps talking about politics as 'family business'. But he picked the president. The people. I didn't elect First Lady Kim Gun-hee as president. The people never told me to politicize Kim Gun-hee. It can be said that First Lady Kim Gun-hee is helping to win the election, but for example, as it is now coming out, there are talks about expressing opinions on the nomination or the Changwon industrial complex, right? Something like that. It means that the public has never given permission to Kim Gun-hee to do these things. Then you're not explaining about Mrs. Kim Gun-hee right now. Until when did Mrs. Kim Geon-hee talk to Myung Tae-kyun on the phone? What the hell were you talking about? And shouldn't we reveal whether it actually came true or not? The president's office is very lumpy, so the president hasn't contacted me. He's only saying this right now. But I'm embarrassed, so it's hard to tell you the recording that Mrs. Kim Gun-hee told Myung Tae-kyun. It's that much right now. In such a situation, I think that the position of the presidential office should come out on that part as well. And the president says that the issue of intervention in the nomination was cut off, but in the context of the front and back transcripts released now. This wasn't just about nomination issues in terms of personnel management. For example, it's something like this. It's May 9th that the president and Myung Taekyun talked on the phone. But if you look at the phone call on May 2nd. First lady Kim Gun-hee said the nomination of former lawmaker Kim Young-sun was her gift. That's how Myung Taekyun says it. A week ago. And then I talked to President Yoon on the phone. And when Kang Hye-kyung said Kim Young-sun congratulates her, I think Myung Tae-kyun called after talking to the president. It is necessary to check whether the president understood that he said he would nominate the party now, but "Don't tell the people around you as much as possible." Even a minute or two before the bat is hit, a note can be sent and overturned. ” It is said that they asked for supplementation like this. It connects the context of the front and back.

☆ Jang Ye-chan: It shouldn't be mixed up. I accept and listen to all other comments. But what was released on May 9th was released because the phone call with Myung Tae-kyun, who was fostered by President Park Yoon Suk Yeol, was cut off, and what Myung Tae-kyun said about this and that was not because the recordings of Myung Tae-kyun and Kim Gun-hee were released. I heard this from a third party. It's a recording of a message that says, "Who said this?" I will point out that this is a bit different so far, so I won't mix it up.

◆ Choi Soo-young: Yes, there are two other parties. Rep. Lee Joon-seok, the party leader at the time, Yoon Sang-hyun, and Lee Joon-seok, the chairman of the mission committee, criticized the presidential office by saying, "Why are you making excuses by selling me?" and Rep. Yoon Sang-hyun said, "It's impossible to get nomination information to the winner." Then isn't it the explanation of the official responsibility of the party anyway? Then, shouldn't the power of the people come out in any way or other regarding this?

☆ Jang Ye-chan: First of all, Rep. Lee Joon-seok is angry about why he's selling me, but it's already been revealed that Rep. Lee Joon-seok had a very deep relationship with Myung Tae-kyun, and most of all, he was the party leader who made the final decision then, so if there's a problem, he can't be free from responsibility. It's not something to overreact sensitively like this, but I think it's a matter of calmness to say that I left everything to the officialdom to be fair as the party leader, regardless of what was said behind the scenes. Rep. Yoon Sang-hyun was the chairman of the by-election commission at the time, but he said there was no nomination information or contact. But the most important thing is, of course, public sentiment. In that regard, it is quite worrisome that the current transcript will burst and the suspicion will be doubled. I can't deny that. However, to explain a little legally, this is different from whether or not former President Park Geun Hye was prosecuted and punished for interfering in the general election during the Park Geun Hye administration. So, in order to elect pro-Park candidates, there is a separate opinion poll at Cheong Wa Dae and what to do with these people's elections based on those polls, and there are actually spending money, spending money, spending money, and all these things left.

◆ Choi Soo-young: That's why the senior secretary for political affairs was also arrested.

☆ Jang Ye-chan: But what is related to this call is that even though the president-elect was the president-elect at the time of the call, the plan or work for former lawmaker Kim Young-sun has not been included, but it is not just a word of blessing, which is more than just a word of blessing, so it is a bit different legally from former president Park Geun Hye's intervention in the general election and Cheong Wa Dae polls, as the Democratic Party says. However, I don't want to say that there is no problem just because it is legally different, but the president and the party should step up in all directions to address public concerns, but I will explain some of the differences.

★ Kim Sung-wan: I think we need to talk about this because the interpretation of former President Park Geun Hye will be different. There was no evidence that former President Park Geun Hye ordered it himself. President Park was sentenced to two years in prison for election interference. At that time, when President Park was prosecuted, President Yoon Suk Yeol was the head of the Seoul Central District Prosecutors' Office. So I was in a position to lead the investigation. Former President Park Geun Hye made the so-called "truth list" of polls then and handed it over to the mission committee. In the end, it was that charge. But at the time, the senior secretary for political affairs did not say or say that President Park ordered it. But the court found him guilty? This means that President Park and the senior secretary for political affairs at the time suddenly became more frequent. However, it is necessary to check how much President Yoon actually intervened in the nomination issue, but there is a result that he has been nominated anyway. As an elected president, the president talked as if he could nominate him a day before he took office. Then, if the nomination actually continued, it would be necessary to check what role First Lady Kim Gun-hee played in the meantime, but then President Yoon Suk Yeol could be fully charged with some involvement in the nomination. Then, there is plenty of room in the people's mind to think that this was involved in the nomination, regardless of whether or not it was an elected public official at the time. If I prosecute with this, I think there is a possibility of conviction. But I think it's not a matter of legal dispute, but it's hard for the people to understand that the person who prosecuted President Park Geun Hye did this.

◇ Interest line: Yes, first of all, the issue is the point of view. Kim Jae-won, Kwon Seong-dong, and Kim Sang-hoon, the chief policymakers, say that the president and Myung had a phone call on May 9th, the day before his inauguration, and that it does not constitute a violation of the Public Official Election Act. I think "elect status" is a very important point here.

☆ Jang Ye-chan: There's that part, too. There's a problem with the viewpoint. If I explain more, in the case of former President Park Geun Hye, it is a problem because there are circumstances in which documents were made, ordered, distributed, and reported within the Blue House not only in opinion polls but also in the form of election strategies, and now, for example, there are no papers or materials for the election of former lawmaker Kim Young-sun, so I think it was just a kind of people's power and the president's office's position to give words of blessing to the request of someone who suffered during the election. However, I agree that this part is a lot of political issues and burdens regardless of legal status.

◆ Choi Soo-young: But the Democratic Party is in a different position. However, the Democratic Party of Korea was nominated the next day even though it was May 9, so anyway, the president took office on May 10th, so he insisted that this is continuing because he was nominated during his duties as president. How do you see this part?

★ Kim Sung-wan: So it's also said that the two issues are connected, but if you say you're going to investigate, President Yoon said this for now. As you said earlier, former President Park was found guilty with circumstantial evidence, but the verbal contents of President Yoon's verbal conversation have now been revealed. So it's a situation where we can know that they intervened directly. But the announcement was made on the inauguration day of the president. So it was the afternoon of the very next day. Then, in the meantime, the president's term will begin on May 10. If the president said the day before that he would give me a nomination in any way, whether it was me or not, the president could have asked me to give him a nomination the next day. That's right. Then, if the president directly intervenes in the nomination after the president's term begins, this becomes clearly illegal evidence. So, I don't think it's enough to discuss just this and whether or not you're a public servant. As I said earlier, the position of the president goes beyond the level of discussing that he is qualified as a president simply because he committed illegal acts. Isn't that how much the people chose the president by the people's hand? Then you have to support that much. Then, the people ordered the president to play that role as a kind of sovereign. Then, President Yoon Suk Yeol should receive that support and pursue policies, but is President Yoon in the hearts of the people now? How much do you have? You can tell by the president's approval rating. So in that sense, the president said, 'I committed an illegal act, no. ’ This is not the only thing that should be explained to the public. I think the first thing is to explain it to the people and explain it so that the people can understand it.

◇ Lee Ik-seon: Yes, according to a poll released this morning, President Yoon's approval rating is 19% and negative rating is 72%. Kim's problem was the highest at 17% after the president's unfair evaluation of job performance. Psychological support has collapsed to the 10% level. Before I ask you, this is the result of a telephone survey of 1,5 adult men and women nationwide from the 29th to the 31st of last month by Gallup Korea. Details can be found on the website of Gallup Korea or the Central Public Opinion Review Committee. There is an analysis that public sentiment has reached a threshold. I need you to interpret the results of this poll.

☆ Jang Ye-chan: Of course you have to take it seriously. Although there is a 1% difference between 2 or 1 in front of it, there is a serious perception within the ruling camp that the 20% Maginot Line has collapsed anyway, so I think the time sequence of various cards for the breakthrough of the state administration that the presidential office had in mind should be pulled a little bit. For example, they do not greet in a hurry as they turn around the halfway point of their term. And there's APEC at the end of this month. After APEC's major diplomatic events, the President will frankly address various issues including the controversy over Myung Tae-kyun, and I understand that he is preparing for a series of major Cabinet reshuffles and personnel reshuffles in the presidential office by the end of the year. However, as negative news continues to spread and approval ratings are declining, wouldn't APEC be a barrier to his activities in the diplomatic arena if he doesn't have a driving force in domestic politics? Then, a conversation or a press conference with the people that you originally prepared. And if necessary, a major reshuffle or a massive personnel reshuffle. Daegu Mayor Hong Joon Pyo also said that the Cabinet and the Presidential Office need a full-scale personnel reshuffle today. In fact, the Lee Myung Bak administration made this personnel reshuffle not as a reversal card but as a demonstration of its will to reborn to the public when the approval rating of the presidential office or the Cabinet declined after the mad cow disease scandal. This is why the approval rating has risen in the third year of his administration. That's actually a difficult thing. So any Lee Myung Bak government is actually a government that has gone through many difficult internal and external conditions beyond the Yoon Suk Yeol government. In particular, I think aides working in the Yoon Suk Yeol government and the presidential office need to study how the MB government has overcome the crisis a little bit, and as I said earlier, I think we need to move forward and use the existing measures. However, I naturally agree that the drop in approval ratings is serious and that this approval rating should be raised because it is the driving force of state affairs created by the people, but the approval rating is now 19%. I think it's premature to shut down this government or talk about impeachment just because it's going to fall further to 17 percent or 15 percent. Because former President Roh Moo Hyun also recorded the lowest approval rating of 5.7%. But didn't you finish your five-year term anyway? Of course, the government has to make efforts to win support from the people and is criticized if the approval rating falls, but if it is not good and the lowest level, it will be hard to find a government that lasts five years in Korea's term if it is impeached every time and makes them bury the government every time.

◆ Choi Soo-young: You're an expert in poll analysis. Please analyze it in detail.

★ Kim Sung-wan: Last week, Yoon Suk Yeol's president had a positive rating of 20%. It's 19% based on Gallup in Korea. The negative evaluation was 70%, but it went up to 72%. And most of all, I actually suspected my eyes. Last week, Daegu-Gyeongbuk approval ratings fell a lot. In particular, the approval rating of supporters of the people's power has fallen. Because of this, the conservative media also took the figure very shockingly. Last week, Daegu and Gyeongbuk had a positive evaluation rate of 26% and a negative evaluation rate of 60%. This week, 18% of Daegu and Gyeongbuk received a positive evaluation. The negativity is 69%. The figure of 18% is. Seoul, Gyeonggi, Busan, Ulsan, and Gyeongnam accounted for 22%. Daejeon, Sejong, and Chungcheong have 29%. But Daegu and Gyeongbuk came out at 18%. I don't know how the president's office will interpret this number. And supporters of the power of the people. So last week, 48% was positive, 48% was negative, and 40% was negative. But this week, it was tied at 44% and 44%.

★ Kim Sung-wan: The support base that should support President Yoon is completely collapsing. That's what it means. The fact that Daegu and North Gyeongsang Province are lower than those in Seoul, Gyeonggi, Daejeon, and Chungcheong provinces can only be interpreted as having already entered a state of psychological impeachment. In particular, there will be many high-ranking political participants in Daegu and Gyeongbuk. But the high-ranking government officials are very angry. He began to turn his back on President Yoon. Then, I'd like to ask you a question about where President Yoon will find the power of state affairs. And you mentioned the case of President Lee Myung Bak. President Lee Myung Bak had a national backlash because of his judgment on policy. President Yoon Suk Yeol is now facing a legal issue. In particular, the legal problem of the spouse is very serious. The fire has now spread from the spouse's legal problems to the president's law violations. Already. That's why it's already difficult to solve this problem in this way, whether it's a Cabinet reshuffle to change the situation. In the end, the president is also saying that he is proud. The same goes for Mrs. Kim Gun-hee. Then, the government should get the independent counsel's law and resolve suspicions over the issue to regain momentum in state affairs. There is no answer other than the Special Prosecutor Act. I look at it like this.

◇ Lee Ik-seon: First of all, the diagnosis of the problem has been made, so I'd like to ask you what to do about this response. The party's response hasn't come out yet, has it?

☆ Jang Ye-chan: There is no official position. Several senior lawmakers are expressing their positions individually, and it seems that former floor leader Kwon Sung-dong and lawmaker Kwon Young-se are expressing their positions individually that there is no legal problem because this was a private call when they were elected.

◇ Profitship: Yes. So how do we solve this problem in the presidential office?

☆ Jang Ye-chan: First of all, there are articles about what kind of positions Chief of Staff Jeong Jin-seok expressed today, but after this, as I said earlier, the only thing I can do is to show that the president is trying to change something from the perspective of the people and that he is trying to take responsibility for this kind of controversy. Therefore, such large-scale personnel measures are originally based on the philosophy that President Yoon Suk Yeol does not make personnel appointments to turn the tide. However, in the current situation, it seems that we need an innovative personnel change for the overall government and cabinet reform rather than a change of phase. If necessary, it is also necessary to announce the president's position such as dialogue with the people or press conferences. So, I think it is necessary to explain and communicate about this difficult question, not after APEC, but around the halfway point of the term of office. I hope it will be around that time.

★ Kim Seong-wan: There is a high possibility that he will already be abroad for APEC at that time. Therefore, action must be taken quickly before the halfway point of the term.

◇ Lee Ik-seon: So 10 days ago.

★ Sungwan Kim: That's right. That's how it works for me right now. Kim Gun-hee's negative evaluation of the problem went up more than last week. However, this figure came out because the disclosure of the recordings of the president of Yoon Suk Yeol did not reflect this. Let's say this is reflected. 19% came out right now. In other words, there is a possibility that the positive evaluation will fall further. So, I don't remember exactly, but in the face of former President Park Geun Hye's impeachment, 10% of the people opposed to impeachment came out. There may have been times when it fell below 10% after going around the early 10% range, but I remember having a debate over whether or not 1 or 2 out of 10 people oppose impeachment when the public opposed impeachment in the early and mid 10% range. That means the president of Yoon Suk Yeol will be in the same position. So how on earth can you defend yourself? As I said earlier, I don't think there is any other way but to get rid of various suspicions after receiving the special prosecution law.

☆ Jang Ye-chan: I really want to emphasize one thing, but I'm seeing the approval rating drop now, but that doesn't mean that the current approval rating can be interpreted as either in favor of or against impeachment. How did Roh Moo Hyun's government finish its term when it fell to 5.7% at that time? So, I would like to say that it is a dangerous attempt for the opposition party to lead this situation to impeachment, but it is necessary to preemptively show the ruling party and the government to reform and change whatever it is so that such a story does not gain power from the politics. There are differences in individual arguments, but I admit and agree on that part.

◆ Choi Soo-young: Let me ask you an additional question. Lee Jae-myung of the Democratic Party expressed his position that this is a very serious situation that cannot be easily overcome because the president actually gave a command order beyond the level of intervention in the nomination by fostering, but Han Dong-hoon, the representative of People's Power, has not yet made an official position. Why do you think the leader of the opposition party is silent on the issue that has been said so far?

☆ Jang Ye-chan: Representative Han has been attacking the presidential office harder than the opposition party, rather than defending it. I don't want to defend it now, but I think the problem between the government and the government will get serious if we attack it again like we did before. I don't think I'm taking a middleman position either. But I'm saying that close lawmakers and people like this are openly miserable. Then, if the presidential office is caught up in this controversy and really falls, can the close circle and representative Han Dong-hoon survive? It's not that kind of problem. In such a difficult situation, we should make a joint defense to protect the regime even if mud splashes, and refute the Democratic Party's excessive position not to push it to impeachment again. Just shut up and take a third-party situation is not the role expected of the Conservative Party's leader.

★ Kim Sung-wan: You kept asking for a special inspector. But if you quote the expression in today's Dong-A Ilbo column as it is, it's 'spent'. How do you solve this problem with a special inspector when this situation has happened? And it can be said that CEO Han Dong-hoon took out such a card to differentiate himself. This is because it is difficult for the special inspector to effectively operate the system. Is the special inspector going to investigate the issue related to the president and First Lady Kim Gun-hee? What are you going to do? I can't do anything. However, I don't know if it was judged that at least that much can calm public opinion, but that has already gone down the drain. I don't think CEO Han Dong-hoon has much choice. So, if we have to come up with an alternative other than a special inspector, what would CEO Han Dong-hoon say here? Then, we will receive the Special Prosecutor's Act for Mrs. Kim Gun-hee. We need to talk about this, but we can't talk. I think I just went that way.

◇ Profit line: Okay. This week's Top Three was replaced by Top One today. Kim Sung-wan, a current affairs critic, and Jang Ye-chan, a member of the Supreme Council for the Power of the People. Thank you.