Lee Jae-myung's first outdoor rally since his guilty...Han Dong-hoon, "Judge intimidated"

■ Host: Lee Ha-rin Anchor
■ Starring: Choi Chang-ryul, Yongin University Special Professor, Park Sang-gyu, current affairs critic

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[Anchor]
The first outdoor rally was held after the first trial of Democratic Party Chairman Lee Jae-myung on charges of violating the Public Official Election Act. The opposition party condemned the judiciary and called for an independent counsel for Kim Gun-hee, but the ruling party countered by saying that sentencing reasons for intimidating judges continue to accumulate. Let's take a look at the contents with Choi Chang-ryul, a special professor at Yongin University, and Park Sang-gyu, a current affairs critic. Welcome, two of you.

It was the opposition's third outdoor rally and the first since the first trial. CEO Lee Jae-myung raised his voice, saying, "I will never die." Let's look at the screen first and continue with the conversation.

[Lee Jae-myung / Minjoo Party leader: At some point, the owner of this country has changed to Yoon Suk Yeol, Kim Gun-hee, and Myung-tae (Myeong Tae-kyun), what do you think? Lee Jae-myung does not die. Democracy does not die, either. The future of this country does not die either. Please show us clearly. ]

[Anchor]
As soon as I get on the podium, I say hello to Lee Jae-myung because he lives a lot. The owner of this country is not the people, it is not President Yoon or First Lady Kim Gun-hee. These strong arguments were being expressed. What message did you want to convey?

[Park Sang-gyu]
Literally, the first greeting as you said anchor. I said I'll say hello because I'm alive. As CEO Lee Jae-myung, I think you can read it in irony. I have a considerable internal injury right now. The Democratic Party of Korea is also surprised, and Lee is even more surprised. Supporters are simply in this state of panic.

The amount of sentencing in the first trial itself is very grim, and even the second trial and the Supreme Court ruling are now facing a decisive blow that the Democratic Party of Korea can only see. But it's still okay to pack. Because that way, the supporters won't be dispersed yet. At the rally that day, the Democratic Party of Korea said 300,000 again, but the police estimate is 15,000 including the Cho Kuk Innovation Party.

[Anchor]
The Democratic Party claims 300,000.

[Park Sang Kyu]
The claim of 300,000 people has been like that since the first rally, so you can just look at it as a captain, and that's actually four streets in front of the 30th Guard's famous seat. It's the street you saw in the movie, but I didn't choose it on purpose, but the fall rain tracked it down that day and even lawmakers from the Cho Kuk Innovation Party joined, but the number of people didn't meet expectations.

As I said earlier, there are some people saying that it's over 10,000 people. The number of rallies is important because that third rally was a very important one. So to show that I'm alive and never die, shouldn't I gather around 40,000 to 50,000? It was like that because it was the time again. quite a bit of rally enthusiasm and very much so... there was a slight lack of proof that the Democratic Party claimed to be alive.

And CEO Lee Jae-myung hardly talked about legal matters yesterday. So, didn't the Democratic Party also admit that the court's ruling is just as bad? So I think it's a rally that was quite empty even though I shouted something loud.

[Anchor]
You mentioned that you didn't mention anything legal. He claimed that the owner of this country was not the people, but the Yoon Suk Yeol President and his wife and Myung Tae-kyun. What message did this claim want to contain?

[Choi Chang Ryul]
In fact, it has nothing to do with CEO Lee Jae-myung's first trial sentence. I'm talking about the allegations that the Democratic Party of Korea is criticizing and intervening in nominations given to the Yoon Suk Yeol President and his wife, but the president, First Lady Kim Gun-hee, or Myung Tae-kyun cannot be the owner of the Republic of Korea. And he's not the owner. However, we cannot deny that various suspicions are pouring out right now. But on the 15th, the day before. Already. Everyone must have been surprised by the sentence then. I'll also pay more than 1 million won.

So I thought about 150 to 200, but one year in prison and two years of probation. I was surprised. Everyone must have been surprised. You must have been flustered. In the meantime, there is a high possibility that the outdoor rally will heat up. It is common to turn internal problems into external problems. The war, the relationship between the state and the organization.

As CEO Lee Jae-myung, he is still shocked to hear that he is alive. In that situation, the intensity of criticism against the Yoon administration will gradually increase, and Kim Gun-hee, the first lady, will insist more strongly. In the case of floor leader Park Chan-dae, he said that the crazy regime made a crazy ruling. It's hard to agree with this. What sent the court crazy?

You can't say that. So anyway, we're going to keep trying to turn judicial issues into political ones. In reality, there are some parts of Korean politics, such as the politicization of justice and the judicialization of politics.

So anyway, when various suspicions about Yoon-jung are amplified and when the revelation comes out, they criticize it again, saying, "Democracy is going down, our country is going down." What was the first trial's ruling yesterday? It was the first trial, but the judge said it undermined representative democracy. That's what CEO Lee Jae-myung's 2nd and 3rd trials are left, and there are many other trials.

I don't think there's much to say about the criticism that it's a BTS rally to prevent those parts. So, as I said earlier, various criticisms of the Yoon Suk Yeol government and representative Lee Jae-myung's judicial judgment are separate. There will continue to be attempts to link this. But I don't think the people will agree on that. I think so.

[Anchor]
You explained the violent reaction of floor leader Park Chan-dae, and now Democratic Party members are pouring out violent reactions every day. For example, Rep. Kim Woo-young, who was controversial over the topic of being a judge, used the expression "a judge" on social media. It may not be a rebellion of the law, but it is just a deviant act of a fierce judge, which is controversial.

[Park Sang Kyu]
Rep. Kim Woo-young came down from the head of the political affairs coordination office.Ma is a real name beyond his real name, and he is the core of the core, but I think loyalists are making it more difficult for representative Lee Jae-myung. In this situation, it is a deviation of a judge from the judgment made by a judge based on legal principles, common sense, and conscience. This is a very insulting story.

But Judge Han Sung-jin, who ruled this, can laugh it off. Already, he has spoken in judgment. Judges are originally speaking in a written judgment. But the other judges must have seen all of this. What are the judges thinking? How is it an individual judge's deviation from such a judgment based on the law and conscience made by the judiciary? The word deviation is when you use it, and the act of eating a bond by a teenager is called deviation.

This is a remarkable boomerang about the perjury teacher's ruling on the 25th.
This is how I rate it. So I was even more surprised because I thought, "Is that what loyalists would say?" The head of the political affairs coordination office said, "I can't help it, but I can't help it, but this is an angry word that he said he would help Lee Jae-myung, but I think that expression is a boomerang and a backlash rather than any other lawmaker's expression." Let me tell you the essence of this case once again.Ma does not know the real person at the time of Daejang-dong called Kim Moon-ki.

He was acquitted of not knowing, but he also actively denied that he played golf together and said that Baekhyun-dong's rise to use in the fourth stage was due to threats from the Ministry of Land, Infrastructure and Transport, which was also guilty of being overturned by the unified testimony of working-level officials, team leaders, and directors at the time.

In short, Lee Jae-myung went to the presidential election and almost won the election by actively lying to the public at SBS and at the Gyeonggi Provincial Office of National Audit. I almost became the president of the Republic of Korea. That's why this part was sentenced to one year in prison and two years of probation because it was a ruling that shook the foundation of democracy. We will look at this part in a straightforward manner and tell the public to accept it at yesterday's rally, and we will once again fight in the second trial.

No lawmaker says that, and I don't know if it is unconditionally linked to this issue, but it's just the current government, the first lady, and pollack. They called Myung Taekyun pollack. Pollock is not even caught off the coast of Korea these days. If you push it like this, it may be urgent from the people's point of view, but how can many voters not say a word about yesterday's ruling? These things are rather less than a few days away. A stampede on the 25th.

This was actually the easiest of the rulings. It was the lowest in the hurdle. As you know, the perjury teacher on the 25th was clearly stated when Judge Yoo Chang-hoon rejected the arrest warrant for CEO Lee Jae-myung in September last year. The perjury teacher charge becomes an explanation. This is the case where the first ruling was made.

Judge Kim Dong-hyun, the presiding judge of the Central District Court, will teach perjury on the 25th, and although he is much more progressive than Judge Han Sung-jin, this will not take much time for a perjury teacher who can't even do anything about this judge. The order came out in 25 minutes in the first trial, but I predict that the order can be placed in about 10 minutes on the 25th.

It's a simple case like that, but I'm writing the ruling right now, but it's a rally that makes the ruling more difficult, Rep. Kim Woo-young. And those comments were not helpful to the rest of the Democratic Party, I think so.

[Anchor]
Let's wait and see what happens to the first trial and the perjury teacher charge on the 25th. People's Power Han Dong-hoon defined it as a show of force threatening judges. After the first trial, CEO Han Dong-hoon posted a total of seven SNS posts after the first trial of violating the Public Official Election Act. What do you mean by that?

[Choi Chang Ryul]
It should be seen as a reflection of CEO Han Dong-hoon's thoughts. That's how Democrats can react anyway. Both the opposition leader and the ruling and opposition parties are currently the top presidential candidates, with one year in prison and two years of probation. It's very shocking. The problem is that you don't know how it will come out in the second trial. There's a second and a final one. In the past trial, even if he is guilty in the second trial, it is the case of CEO Lee Jae-myung.

It's when Kwon Soon-il was on the Supreme Court.There's a lot of talk about "Ma". There are cases like that. So that remains to be seen.CEO Han Dong-hoon will continue to emphasize this part. And look. Representative Lee Jae-myung's judicial risk is taking shape.


is being materialized or realized, but for the ruling party, it is the same as the ruling and opposition parties. offensively offensive because Korea's politics itself shows hostile behavior. It's a form of symbiosis while being hostile. For CEO Han Dong-hoon or the ruling party, it can be more united if the opponent shows such a collapse.

That's the same for the opposition. In the case of the opposition party, the ranks can be scattered depending on what comes out of the second trial or suspicion of perjury teachers. Even if Representative Lee Jae-myung's status is not immediately shaken, there is a possibility that it will be shaken, but as representative Han Dong-hoon, he has been in a lull since the recent press conference of President Yoon.

The Yoon Han conflict also seems to be a so-called lull and strategic alliance. I think we've completely heard about the special prosecutor. In the ruling party, the special prosecutor's story is about. Within the ruling party, a vote is expected on the 28th, but if the president vetoes it. Leave vote. I don't think I'll have any.

At this point, you have a situation where you have no choice but to maintain a single formation. In addition, CEO Han Dong-hoon has time to secure a considerable amount of space. Before that, it was quite a crisis. The division within the ruling party also leads to the support of conservatives, and the support of conservatives against representative Han Dong-hoon. We couldn't help but be concerned about this, but CEO Lee Jae-myung's first trial ruling was more excessive and serious than expected.

In that state, CEO Han Dong-hoon had a justification to maintain a single team. Why do some people keep talking about special investigation instead of special investigation? It is also true that there are criticisms such as whether the special prosecutor can cover the special prosecutor. But even that kind of talk is now at least less space to come out of the passport, right now. So, as CEO Han Dong-hoon, it is interpreted that he is sending a message that strengthens his position by posting on such Facebook.

[Anchor]
I would like you to display the graphic of Han Dong-hoon's SNS post one more time. Let's take a closer look at CEO Han Dong-hoon's writing. Threatening the criminal accused, or the judge in charge of representative Lee Jae-myung, is the worst reason for aggravating sentencing. The perjury teacher case, which means the verdict on the 25th. It was included in the arrest motion passed by the National Assembly last year. Even if the judiciary makes a court arrest, it is not necessary to pass the National Assembly's arrest agreement separately. I think they are sending various messages while predicting the sentence on the 25th.

[Park Sang Kyu]
I paid attention to that part and talked to actual legal professionals. Representative Han Dong-hoon's interpretation of whether he was recognized by the National Assembly when he was the Minister of Justice by including that in the arrest motion once was already divided. So, there is a theory that this is not the case with representative Han Dong-hoon's claim that there is no need to obtain consent even if it becomes a problem at the National Assembly.

Therefore, there is a legal problem because there are also claims that the construction should receive it. However, CEO Han Dong-hoon's saying like that has an aspect to control one atmosphere and take the atmosphere more advantageously. So, in fact, I don't think it's easy to arrest him in court.

Even if a one-and-a-half-year-old ruling is issued, the main opposition party, in fact, would erase Lee Jae-myung, the leader of Yeouido, which now controls the National Assembly, from the courtroom? This is not easy to imagine. That's burdensome. But do the people do that again by claiming that they can do so? The Democratic Party of Korea is completely holding the National Assembly right now, but can a judge put Representative Lee Jae-myung behind bars without the consent of the National Assembly? It made me think like this.

Regardless of that possibility, it took the atmosphere like that. Because of that, when I ask, there is a claim that it is difficult to do so, so there is room for a fight. However, there is also a theory that it is possible. So this is going to be a debate in the future.

How burdensome would it be for CEO Lee Jae-myung to be controversial in itself? Now, in the second trial, I couldn't go back home and went to my room at the 818th National Assembly building. This time, I can't even have a meeting with my aides in my room, so should I go to Uiwang in the afternoon of the 25th? Just thinking about this makes it possible to have a sense of fear that you will feel and a secondary mental breakdown that your supporters will feel. I think CEO Han Dong-hoon made this remark, which was aimed exactly at that point.

[Choi Chang Ryul]
What I would like to attach is that it is not desirable for the ruling and opposition parties to talk about the judgment of the court and the judiciary in advance. The reason why we criticized the opposition party is the main opposition party, which now has an overwhelming seat, and we have criticized things like excessive pressure on the court.

Out-of-the-ground rallies also insist on Kim Gun-hee's independent counsel.There is a lot of criticism that the Democratic Party of Korea is actually a bulletproof rally. But I hope the ruling party leader will refrain from saying that. I understand all the political intentions rather than self-imposed ones, but both the ruling and opposition parties have political intentions. As the ruling party has criticized the opposition party, there are still a few days left on the suspicion of perjury teachers.

Such expressions that seem to foreshadow the court's judgment are not like representative Han Dong-hoon. Let's wait. The reason why I'm criticizing the Democratic Party right now is why they're making remarks that seem to be against the first trial's ruling. It doesn't make sense to say that it's a crazy ruling on a crazy regime. This is not the regime's judgment. The judiciary, the Central District Court, decides. Judge Han Sung-jin.

But the crazy regime made a crazy decision about this? What kind of jump is this? To criticize that, the suspicion of perjury in the first trial on the 25th is also the case, and it is right to say that we will wait for the judgment of the court and accept it. The fact that the politicization of the judiciary and the judicialization of politics are caused by the case of representative Lee Jae-myung in Daejang-dong.

This is not a case of Daejang-dong. But why do you do that together? Even if you know what's inside, when the ruling party goes with more dignity, it may come out that the ruling party wants without pressuring the court, if you have to. I would like to say that the ruling and opposition parties should refrain from talking about the judgment of the court.

[Anchor]
Both ruling and opposition parties should refrain. He pointed out that it should be lowered by a tempo, but some people even proposed a fact-finding committee on the mysterious affairs of representative Lee Jae-myung. There are even talks about the special prosecutor. How did you see it?

[Park Sang Kyu]
I'm looking at it with concern. Kang Seung-gyu is a second-term lawmaker in the parliamentary chat room, in an atmosphere that seems to be completely excited about the power of the people. He's a well-known pro-Yoon-gye high school. Representative Kang made a proposal. Six people have died of mysterious deaths, but there are many things that have not been revealed about Lee Jae-myung. You can argue that the fact-finding TF should be launched, but Rep. Lee Chul-kyu, some of his relatives, Rep. Cho Bae-sook, a proportional representative, and a legal expert. There was some sympathy.

If you look at this atmosphere broadly, the ruling party and the ruling party, which have been pressed so far, feel like this is the time to turn around, and push them when the opportunity comes, but you can do it. It is a separate matter of how much the TF can play a role in forming such a TF, and how much it can investigate the actual truth and produce a balanced and acceptable fair result to the people.

It's a political offensive, but this was an event that reflected the internal atmosphere of the power of the people who are currently excited, I see it like this.

[Anchor]
After the first trial was sentenced last Friday, there is an atmosphere in which the ruling and opposition parties are changing the airlift, but both of you are pointing out that the power of the people should be prudent. On the other hand, there are also voices gradually emerging that we need to get out of the Lee Jae-myung unipolar system and prepare for Plan B. The so-called Shin 3 Kim is getting more attention.

[Choi Chang Ryul]
It's bound to be high. The sentence is so strong. More than I expected right now. Although it is difficult to predict because I am not a lawyer, various facts revealed by the first trial judge, the first trial court, and the Central District Court. There's no way to deny these things. The judgment on that could be different.

The first and second trials can be different. However, even in the first trial, he did not know Director Kim Moon-ki. Former Chief Kim Moon-ki was not guilty of not knowing. I acquitted him of that. After that, he was convicted of not playing golf, and was given such a heavy sentence, but wouldn't it be difficult to change it in the second trial? From a pure legal point of view. It's not a court that's completely politicized in the second trial.

You can expect it like this. Even if this is also a legal matter, it can't be said carelessly. In that situation, the Democratic Party of Korea is saying that outwardly.Well, democracy has collapsed. Yoon Suk Yeol, Kim Gun-hee, and Myung Tae-kyun control this country. That's what I'm saying.Why wouldn't I think about that in my head?

There are still various trials and suspicions of perjury teachers. The three of me. Isn't it the so-called Shin 3 Kim?

[Anchor]
How do you feel about them?

[Choi Chang Ryul]
Don't you think you have to prepare a lot? In particular, in the case of Governor Kim Dong-yeon, he is now the head of a metropolitan government, so I think he is enough. The experience too. Former Prime Minister Kim Boo-kyum is the same. Kim Kyung-soo, the former governor of Gyeongsangnam-do Province, also, but Governor Kim Dong-yeon has started to speak out these days. That's why you'll have no choice but to think about those three's plans.

We don't know what's going to happen. Politics is so much about the issue of First Lady Kim Gun-hee. Also, there are so many things that I can't predict about Korean politics.

[Anchor]
Politics is a creature.

[Choi Chang Ryul]
It seems difficult to predict such a creature, so for the Democratic Party, it will be difficult to do it only with representative Lee Jae-myung. Since judicial risk has just begun to become a reality, I think it is common sense to judge whether we can go all the way to Lee Jae-myung without any preparation at all.

[Anchor]
the movement of the screaming world, including the three gods Among the figures known as the Scream world, former lawmaker Park Yong-jin will organize a political forum in January next year to launch public activities, and there are reports like this, so what do you expect from the Scream world movement? Let's listen to it briefly and wrap it up.

[Park Sang Kyu]
In short, Chief Justice Cho Hee-dae already told us that the first trial was 633 before March 1st, 2025. According to my calculation, I have to do the second trial by the end of February and make a Supreme Court ruling by May 15, but would that be possible? It was this kind of atmosphere. I think it's right to keep this schedule exactly, and I think it will happen.

Then, at the end of February next year, at least before March 1st, the political and de facto fate of Representative Lee Jae-myung will be decided.
So it's really time for former lawmaker Park Yong-jin to move now. Are you going to be like that now? That's what I'm saying, but I'll say it like this. Of the 172 Democratic Party lawmakers, two say they will share their fate with Chairman Lee Jae-myung until the end, according to Chung Sung-ho, himself and Kim Young-jin. And after covering all the political reporters, there are no more than 40 to 50.

The remaining 120 can change their minds at the end of the year and the beginning of the year. Don't you think we should look at this schedule and deal with it in the future? I think the atmosphere will gradually change in proportion to time.

[Anchor]
We will watch the movement of the pro-Myeong and non-Myeonggye according to the election results. So far, we've heard political criticisms with Choi Chang-ryul, a special professor at Yongin University, and Park Sang-gyu, a current affairs critic.