Shin Ki-sik said, "Low outdoor rallies by the Democratic Party? The 'Yoon Suk Yeol Standard' has become chronic."

◆ [YTN Radio SHINYUL's news]
■ Broadcasting: FM 94.5 (17:00-19:00)
■ Air date: November 20, 2024 (Wednesday)
■ Proceedings: Shin Yul, Professor of Political Science and Diplomacy at Myongji University
■ Dialogue: Rep. Shin Xin-sik of the Cho Kuk Innovation Party

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- Gwanghwamun announced the draft of the impeachment motion.Emphasizing the symbolism of 'Candlelight Square'
- Impeachment bill, legally controversial but politically convincing
- 'Kim Gun-hee's Special Prosecutor Act' vote is likely to be added at least four more
- Shortening the term of 尹? Constitutional amendment to shorten the extension is sufficiently possible
- Reason for poor participation in the Democratic Party's outdoor assembly? 'Yoon Suk Yeol Standard' People Chronicized
- Same legal standard for president and opposition leader..Impeachment is inevitable
- 尹, already losing power...
- The Democratic Party of Korea will not be swayed for the time being when making conservative decisions for the future of Korea.There's a good chance of rallying supporters.
◆ Shinyul: YTN Radio Shinyul's News Head-to-head Match Part 4 begins. In today's head-to-head interview for the fourth part, Rep. Shin Sung-sik of the Cho Kuk Innovation Party is here. I'm in the studio right now. Please come in.

◇ Shin Sang-sik: Yes, hello, I'm Shin Sang-sik of the Cho Kuk Innovation Party.

◆ Shin Yul: There's an announcement of the impeachment motion in Gwanghwamun today, right? Cho Kuk Innovation Party[∀{}∀
◇ [Growth] Yes.

◆ Shin Yul: I'm going to ask you two questions. Why did you make the presentation here in Gwanghwamun?

◇ [Chin-Sik] Gwanghwamun has the symbolism of this place. It would not be an exaggeration to say that the actual driving force behind the impeachment of former President Park Geun Hye in 2016 and 2017 began at the candlelight square in Gwanghwamun. So the intention was to make full use of that symbolism.

◆ Sin Yul: I see. Symbolism, however, presented 15 reasons for violation of the Constitution:

◇ Extension: Yes

◆ Shin Yul: I've seen it too. But I kept forgetting it.

◇ [Newsic] But this is because the legal document now has the table of contents of the legal document all the way through. In fact, it may have been edited a little uncomfortable from the public's point of view. But now, I've grouped 15 cases into 7 categories. The seven categories are a series of seven categories that were previously largely tied by the Constitutional Court when former President Park Geun Hye was impeached. Now, all 15 specific cases in that category are placed like this. I think it would be okay for us to disclose these legal documents and take a look at the people and list what happened for the past two and a half years.

◆ [Voiceover] That's possible.

◇ Shin Hyung-sik: Yes, and in fact, the facts must be confirmed in order for this to be completed with the impeachment prosecution, but the former President Park Geun Hye's impeachment prosecution was the prosecution's indictment. Until then, no ruling had been made. The prosecution confirmed the facts through an investigation, but now the prosecution of the so-called Yoon Suk Yeol government is not investigating the extreme, right? As a result, it is difficult to confirm the facts with an indictment. That's why we're saying it's a draft because it should be more specific for objective facts to be confirmed, such as a special prosecutor or a parliamentary investigation.

◆ Shin Yul: That's right. It's a draft, it's not decided now. But when I look at Representative Shin like this, all of a sudden, no, all the other lawmakers wear badges there. But the Cho Kuk Innovation Party put a badge on the National Assembly. Why?

◇ Kidney: First of all, there are two. One is that if you know me, you will know if I am a member of the National Assembly. If you don't know me for the first time, rather than seeing me as a member of the National Assembly, I hope you can just see me as a human kidney.

◆ Sin-ryul: A wave of emotion is just coming into the tsunami. I suppose. But let's go back to what we said earlier. But these are 15. Do you think this is actually a reason for impeachment, even though it's a draft?

◇ Xinjiang: There are a lot of reasons for impeachment. Especially for me,

◆ Sin-ryul: You mean there are parts that are not.

◇ Kidney: There are some areas that are not easy to acknowledge. It's not easy to admit because this is about the case of former President Park Geun Hye's impeachment, and what was not recognized in the prosecution in the case of former President Park Geun Hye's impeachment was the provision of the right to life, which was also a Ferry Sewol at that time, and did not guarantee the right to life of the people. I posted it, but this is not a violation of the constitution or law, but it's a famous story then. There is a part that says incompetence is not a reason for impeachment. This may be incompetence, but it is not a reason for impeachment. But I didn't get recognized then, but I don't know this time. Anyway, the provision of the right to life guarantee was not recognized by former President Park Geun Hye before, and then the full text of the Constitution

◆ Shin Yul: Wait a minute. The life rights guarantee clause is Fukushima

◇ New Year's Day: Fukushima and Itaewon disasters, and the full text of the constitution is always a problem for constitutional scholars. There is also a controversy among constitutional scholars whether this is just a declaration or a full text of the Constitution or whether it actually has the normative power as a constitution. Since the spirit of the March 1st Movement is shown in the full text of the Constitution, it is now said that the appointment of New Right personnel to historical institutions and the Japanese Military Sexual Slavery of the forced labor plan are violations of the full text of the Constitution, which I think are controversial as lawyers. Politically, I am confident of convincing the people, but there are some controversial parts in the law. The rest, such as the violation of the rule of law and the violation of the obligation to realize the public interest, were all recognized during the impeachment of former President Park Geun Hye, so if the facts are confirmed, it is highly likely that they will be recognized as reasons for impeachment.

◆ Shin Yul: But the important thing is that the Democratic Party has to respond. However, not only the Democratic Party of Korea should respond, but also the power of the people. Do you think it's possible?

◇ Kidney: I think there's going to be an order. I think there's going to be an order. The first is the so-called Kim Gun-hee independent counsel, which is the third independent counsel, and the president has not yet exercised his veto. However, if there is no time to exercise the veto, it will go into effect, so a re-decision vote will be held at the plenary session on the 28th. Last time, at least four people participated in the re-decision vote on the people's power, and two people voted for it, one abstained, and one invalid, but there is still a possibility that four more people will be added this time.

◆ Sin-ryul: There's a probability. What's the reason?

◇ Shin Sung-sik: In the case of Kim Gun-hee, former Minister Yoon Yeo-joon and former head of the Legislative Office Lee Seok-hyun should not just ask this. If time goes by, you don't say you'll hold out until the end of the administration, but what happens next? If that happens, the remuneration could be ruined together, so even preemptively, it is more beneficial for Kim Gun-hee to get an independent counsel from this administration than for the overall remuneration. I think there is a possibility that those words will move the members of the people's power.

◆ Shin Yul: So if Kim Gun-hee passes a lot of the special prosecutor's office and the impeachment goes up in that sense, there is a possibility that it will pass?

◇ Shin Hyung-sik: I think we should push for facts or parliamentary investigations through Special Prosecutor Kim Gun-hee. So the place where we are still the most empty in this prosecution is the fact-finding part. Many of the suspicions were revealed as factual circumstances, but if the facts are confirmed publicly through investigation, I may approve of impeachment, and if that happens, I think the conservatives will also judge. If we do that together, should we fail together like the Yoon Suk Yeol regime? I think that's not good for Korean society at all. Then, I think that the conservative side will review it first, and the former head of the Legislative Office, Lee Seok-yeon, will also talk about shortening the term of office and constitutional amendment, which may be considered by the conservative side first as another card of review.

◆ Shin Yul: Since you are a lawyer in Article 128 of the Constitution on the Constitution to shorten the term of office

◇ Extension: Yes

◆ Sinryul: I think the logic of interpretation is a bit divided.

◇ Xinjiang: But that's actually a little clear. Because this is why the clause was made

◆ Sin-ryul: Yes, the interpretation is different there.

◇ Extensions: Why it was made is

◆ [Voiceover] It's called long-term rule prevention. But the other side argues that the term of office should not cause instability in the constitution.

◇ But even on that part, there might be comments about who it applies to, whether it applies to the current job, or whether it applies to the next one.

◆ Sin-ryul: It's specified there. It does not apply to the present.

◇ Xinjiang: Even these constitutional scholars say that they can change even that provision, so there's a lot of discussion about how to interpret the current constitution of the Constitution, which I know of and my interpretation. Shortening the term is enough, not extending it.

◆ Sin-ryul: There's a disagreement that there's a debate, and if there's a disagreement, it actually means that it's going to be concluded in some way, but it takes time to come to a conclusion.

◇ Kidney: Yes. So, if you look at it in real life, it can be revised in about two and a half months. Physically

◆ Sin Yul: You mean when there's no disagreement, right?

◇ Shin Hyung-sik: Physically, it's possible in about two and a half months, so to speak, Kim Gun-hee, the independent counsel, and then opinions related to impeachment. If that happens, it's actually the same as impeachment or constitutional amendment. In any way, I wonder if the 200 seats will go through those difficult times after another impeachment under the Park Geun Hye administration with the Yoon Suk Yeol administration. Rather, I think there must be a forward-looking review of healthy conservatives to establish themselves in Korean society. Lee Seok-yeon, former head of the Legislative Office, is also a constitutional scholar.

◆ Shin Yul: Yes, of course.

◇ Shin Sang-sik: He's also talking about a constitutional amendment to shorten his term.

◆ Shin Yul: But anyway, just because he says it doesn't make everything true, so of course I'll ask him this. You mentioned the public opinion earlier, but why aren't there as many people as you think if the Democratic Party of Korea holds an outdoor rally now? Then

◇ [Extension] It seems to me that there are a few things now, and one of them is that you're calculating when it starts and when it ends. There's a question of when I should go out, and I think there's also a part where it's become chronic. So before that, if you look at American politics, there's a Trump standard. I think that he can do that because of the Trump standard, even if anything shocking happens. I think the Korean people have the Yoon Suk Yeol standard, the Kim Gun-hee standard, and so on. It's shocking. What happened this morning? What kind of transcript came out this morning? I think there's a side that's definitely become a little dull. And the National Assembly started in the square before, but this time the National Assembly has 192 opposition seats. Then, I think there is this expectation because we entrusted the opposition parties of the National Assembly to do something about 192 seats, asking if we should come out again in this cold winter with candles.

◆ Shin Yul: But earlier, Kim Sung-tae, the floor leader of the People's Power, came out and said this. It seems that the draft of the impeachment motion presented by the Cho Kuk Innovation Party has a lot of emotions. What did you say about that?

◇ Kidney: I don't know. Depending on how you see it, former floor leader Kim Sung-tae may see it that way. Also, there could be injuries and trauma at the time of impeachment, but legally, if the facts are confirmed through the prosecution or the special prosecutor's investigation, there is a possibility that the prosecution will be legally prosecuted.

◆ Shin Yul: But actually, why did Kim Sung-tae, the former floor leader, say that? If that's the case, we don't know when it will be.

◇ Xinjiang: I know very well what you're talking about.

◆ Sin-ryul: There's that part, and in fact, there are lawmakers who are now legally on trial or who have completed the first trial. That's why I think he said that.

◇ Shin Hyung-sik: But I don't think they know much about the attitude of their hearts and things like that about representative Cho Kuk or floor leader Hwang Un-ha, but when he is sentenced to two years in prison, he goes to squat hard, push-ups, and then comes out again to play politics. The same goes for floor leader Hwang Un-ha. So, I think you're aware of this right now, like, what I'm going to do before I go to prison. I don't know if I understood it well, but in that word,

◆ Sin Yul: I don't know. You have to ask yourself

◇ Xinjiang: I don't know what's inside, but I wonder if it's like that, but we go regardless of that.

◆ Shin Yul: How does the Cho Kuk Innovation Party view the first trial ruling in violation of the Public Official Election Act?

◇ Xinjiang: I personally think that the Cho Kuk Innovation Party might have done a little bit of a tondown and I personally think that the arrogance of the court aristocrats is a ruling that suffocated democracy in Korea.

◆ Because it's too hard

◇ New Year's Eve: Undone, they're often called robes aristocrats. I'm not telling you this, but a professor at Yale University in the United States named Roedel is called robes aristocrats. Because they think they can judge everything in the world. But I'm also a lawyer, but the world that lawyers see is a world that they see on their desks in documents. And democracy is talking about the separation of powers, which means that the judiciary should not try to intervene so actively that it suffocates democracy, even though there are theories of judicial restraint and activism within the role of the judiciary. However, I think that this kind of arrogance, which thinks that all the world's affairs can be cut into the provisions and phrases of the law, is now reflected in this ruling. I have a lot to say if I want to get the rule of thumb.

◆ Sin-ryul: I guess so. Of course, you're a lawyer, but do you think that the first trial ruling against representative Lee Jae-myung suffocates democracy?

◇ Mr. Xinjiang: I think it is possible. Because this is a legal
of the law.
◆ Sin Yul: If Lee Jae-myung becomes president, does democracy bloom?

◇ Kidney: Not really. I am a judicial self-restraint, so I should refrain and refrain from saying, "Who should bloom when representative Lee Jae-myung becomes president, not how the judiciary should intervene in politics and democracy?" People's choice

◆ Shin-ryul: Then, if an opposition leader among politicians does something wrong, he shouldn't intervene by controlling himself?

◇ Kidney: At least I shouldn't be selective. When it becomes optional, I'll say,

◆ Shin Yul: The standards should be the same.

◇ Stretching: The criteria must be the same.

◆ Shin Yul: You mean that the standard for the president or the standard for the opposition leader should be the same, right?

◇ Kidney: First, and I think that the standard itself should be very restrained. That's the same for me about the president. I'm basically a judicial temperamentist.
◆ Sin-ryul: So you think impeachment is inevitable even though you've been restrained by what I heard earlier, right?

◇ Kidney: I think so. Because I'm not a legal person, but the current president should have authority, trust, and skills based on that. But it's so obvious that I'm not good at it.

◆ Shin Yul: But I also asked Yang Boo-nam yesterday about that. Just because you're not good at studying doesn't mean you can't enroll at school.
◇ Shin Hyung-sik: But first of all, you need to have authority and trust, and it's not a reason for impeachment. Incompetence can be responsible for behavior. He has a poor attitude in legal terms. What I saw as the reason for the impeachment of former President Park Geun Hye is that he has no will to protect the Constitution. He used it as a reason for impeachment, saying that he has no will to protect the constitution as a president, as he keeps lying and lies to defend himself. It's responsible for peddling. Recently, I just played golf on the golf course. You can do it, but why would you tell a lie that will be revealed in a day? That's why you lose trust.

◆ Sin Yul: I've been pointed out a lot.

◇ Xinjiang: Yes, that's right. And then now, in relation to authority, referred to as losing to his wife and his staff to his key staff. I don't know how the people should find authority in the president. To be honest, it is important to criticize legally, but from the people's point of view, the president has no authority and his trust is low, so he is very incompetent. Didn't you get 29 votes when you said you would win the Busan Expo? Through these things, the so-called aura of governance or governance of authority seems to have been lost for a long time. For the future of Korea, I think it's time for conservatives to decide.

◆ Sin-ryul: But anyway, that's actually not a legal approach, but a definition of it on a cognitive basis.

◇ Xinjiang: But every single fact leading up to that perception is now in the impeachment motion.

◆ There's another one next Monday. How do you watch that perjury teacher on the 25th?

◇ Xinjiang Shik: In fact, you could be guilty to be guilty, and in my view, you could be innocent to be innocent. Because Jung Beom, who received the so-called perjury teacher, went to court and confessed that I had perjury because I was taught perjury as representative Lee Jae-myung. If this person places a heavy weight on the basis of the confession, he will be guilty. But he doesn't actually perjure himself. Therefore, rather, he testifies against CEO Lee Jae-myung. In other words, even if you admit it as it is, you are a perjury teacher who failed. You can't punish this. I'm a perjury teacher who failed after making that claim. So, from a legal point of view, you can only see this aspect that the teacher must be guilty because he confessed, and on the other hand, I see him as a failed perjury teacher. Even if the prosecution acknowledges all the facts of the prosecution's indictment, this cannot be punished.

◆ But aren't these things going to keep coming out right now? Do you think the Democratic Party will falter?

◇ NEW YORK: Inside the Democratic Party, I don't think I'm going to falter for a while. On the inside, the intensity and width of the people's support for representative Lee Jae-myung is not a variable, but it can be increased or lowered. I can't predict that. Rather, Democratic supporters are more likely to unite. The same goes for the party, but I think we have to see if the people who are looking at this will continue to see if Lee Jae-myung has a problem or if so, what happened to the Yoon Suk Yeol, Kim Gun-hee. That's possible.

◆ Sin-ryul: You mean we can go to Yang-bi-ron, right?

◇ Shin Hyung-sik: No, I mean, Yang Bi-ron, so to speak, Yoon Suk Yeol is Kim Yoon Suk Yeol, Lee Jae-myung is Lee Jae-myung, Kim Hye-kyung is Kim Hye-kyung, and Kim Gun-hee is Kim Gun-hee, but if you look at which way the scale is tilted, the people of Yoon Suk Yeol Kim Gun-hee are too

◆ Shin-yul: What I think is very important is that, for example, Lee Jae-myung, we have to watch the NBS investigation tomorrow, but if you look at this, the Democratic Party's approval rating will not rise even if there are issues related to President Yoon or First Lady Kim Gun-hee. So if it turns out the other way around, it can be a framework for me to say that public opinion doesn't look at both of them in a very positive light,

◇ It's possible, but I can't tell you the numbers in detail recently, so if I just look at the flow like this,

◆ Since you've been on the show, you'll know.

◇ From the flow, I'm very tired because they keep warning me.

◆ Sin Yul: That's right. I'm tired.

◇ Kidney: I'd like you to release this. Honestly,

◆ Shin Yul: Please refer to it. I want you to refer to the website of the Central Election Poll Review Committee

◇ Shin Hyung-sik: If you look at NBS, Gallup, Realmeter, and so on, there is no big change after the ruling on representative Lee Jae-myung. Rather, the gap between the Democratic Party and the party in terms of party approval ratings has not changed much

◆ Sin-ryul: So far, that's only possible for real meters.

◇ Shin Hyung-sik: It came out on Monday and Tuesday, so we'll see tomorrow and the day after tomorrow. Anyway, the approval rating for the president's state administration is still at the bottom, and then the people will see Lee Jae-myung like this, and now they'll see two Yoon Suk Yeol, Kim Gun-hee. If you look at it, they don't even investigate here. I've got a trial here, though. They don't even investigate here. Then, it is much more unfair not to investigate the people's mind, but there is a high possibility that this is also the power of power and the power of the prosecution. My prediction

◆ Shin Yul: Anyway, I think it's a prediction of anyone, but I think there are a lot of people who think it's convincing. Thank you for your words today. Thank you.

◇ Kidney ceremony: Yes, thank you.

◆ Shin Yul: I've been a member of the Cho Kuk Innovation Party, Shin Sung-sik.