Lee Jae-myung's 'perjury teacher' first trial "October to one year in prison" VS "not guilty"

◆ [YTN Radio SHINYUL's news]
■ Broadcasting: FM 94.5 (17:00-19:00)
■ Air date: November 21, 2024 (Thursday)
■ Proceedings: Shin Yul, Professor of Political Science and Diplomacy at Myongji University
■ Lawyer Yoon Ki-chan, Lawyer Seol Ju-wan

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Yoongi-chan
- Lee's election law first trial ruling? I can understand...Courts strictly evaluate national election papers
- Is the 檢's 'suspected misappropriation of corporate cards' targeting Lee Jae-myung? An incoherent story
- Lee Jae-myung must apologize to the public for his responsibility for managing the operation of public officials
- Lee's 'perjury teacher' cannot be acquitted in the first trial.Expected imprisonment between October and one year

Seol Ju-wan
- Li 'violation of election law' is not expected...Judging by the sentencing criteria of the judiciary
- Prosecution of Lee Jae-myung for alleged misappropriation of corporate cards by the 檢? There are enough points to be criticized.
- Lee Jae-myung seems to have enough room to argue at the trial stage for the misappropriation of corporate cards
- Li 'perjury teacher' is sufficiently innocent.Tribunal-focused weights are important

◆ Shin Yul: Shin Yul's news head-to-head match begins part 4. Today is the 4th Justice League. It's definition in our society. It's time to think about it. I think it's because our society is so difficult to find justice. There are two lawyers today, so I'll introduce them one by one. First, lawyer Yoongi-chan is here. How are you?

■ Yoongi-chan: Hello.

◆ Shin Yul: And lawyer Seol Joo Wan is here.

◇ Hello, I'm Seol Joo-wan.

◆ Shin Yul: It's been about a week since the first trial of the violation of the Public Official Election Act was convicted. It's a suspended sentence for prison, but anyway, prison is a prison sentence. Did you expect a prison sentence? Lawyer Yoongi Chan, what do you think?

■ Yoongi-chan: I thought that might be the case because Heo Kyung-young is the only example of a presidential candidate. Heo Kyung-young was tried twice under the Public Official Election Act, and the first one was in 2008, and you will all know now. Did you say that you decided to marry someone or something like that? That's why I got a two-year sentence except for defamation. And then the sentence itself came out for a year. And recently, in the 20th presidential election, he announced such false information once again and the sentence came out, and he was sentenced to two years in prison and suspended for three years. So maybe the courts evaluate it a little bit strictly in national elections, unlike the National Assembly election,

◆ Shin Yul: But Supreme Council member Lee Eon-joo said that there is no comparison between Heo Kyung-yong and Lee Jae-myung.

■ Yoongi-chan: But there's this. Why is it incomparable? Rather, CEO Lee Jae-myung can be evaluated as having a bad crime. Because Heo Kyung-young's lies are too obvious. It was such a lie that anyone thought it would be a lie, and secondly, Heo Kyung-young is far from winning the election. So even if it affects this election, it makes you elected, or because it's a false announcement for the purpose of being elected. It wasn't for the purpose of losing the election. He lied about his involvement in order to be elected as a candidate. However, even in the case of representative Lee Jae-myung, the purpose of losing the election is to win. However, in fact, Lee Jae-myung's crime was worse because it was a very fierce election at the time, and he lost 0.745% even if he looked at the actual results. So, as Representative Lee Eon-joo said, it's more incomparable.

◆ Shin Yul: No. But in the first trial, I mean, comparing the leader of the main opposition party, Heo Kyung-young, and Heo Kyung-young. Isn't that a little bit...

■ Yoongi-chan: The sentence can't be different depending on your status.

◆ Sin Yul: Wait a minute. There is a breaking news just now, and there is a breaking news that Representative Lee Jae-myung appealed against the first trial ruling that violated the first trial of the election law. As we talked, you appealed quickly.

◇ Seol Ju-wan: Tomorrow was probably the expiration date of the appeal period, but I don't think it's special news to appeal a day before today. Of course, an appeal was scheduled. To be honest, I didn't expect a prison sentence. As I told you on other broadcasts before, I think if you go to the third trial in the end, there will be no loss of the right to run for election. I personally expected it, but even if it was in the first trial, I expected a fine. I thought that it would be difficult to lose the right to run for election nationwide because it would be a little reduced in the second trial if it came out from 1.5 million won to 2 million won, but as a lawyer, I think I considered a little too much politically. I thought it would not be easy to return the election subsidies worth more than 40 billion won or to sentence the most likely opposition candidate in the presidential election, but I think the judiciary, so in the end, just based on the sentencing criteria, has decided.

◆ But anyway, it's like 43.5 billion won. Actually, there are a lot of people who don't pay individually.

◇ Seol Ju-wan: That's right. Last time, Kwak No-hyun, superintendent candidate,

◆ Shin-yul: It's not that he didn't pay for it, but some of them are working on it one by one, but the problem is that you can get elected in an election even if you don't pay all of it in full.

■ Yoongi-chan: I have a fortune, but I can't help but pay. Now, if the deposit is finalized and the money needs to be returned, it is enforced according to the national tax collection. So this doesn't even need a trial. If you just dispose of it in arrears, you can enforce it right from then on. So if you have property, you have to take it all away.

◆ Shin Yul: Isn't that something that even foreigners can't go out?

■ Yoongi-chan: That doesn't connect to that. Therefore, it is compulsory execution according to exceptions, but it does not affect the right to be elected, so that's why there are various discussions these days. If all of them are not paid in full, let's revise 1 so that it can affect the right to run for election. But that can actually be a problem. Because there is a discussion that the right to run for election is excessive if it is connected with the failure to pay election subsidies, so we need to discuss that a lot.

◆ Shin Yul: In the midst of this, CEO Lee Jae-myung has been additionally indicted for using corporate credit cards in Gyeonggi-do Province, regardless of whether it's his fifth or not. How do you see this? The mayor of Hong Joon Pyo also criticized the prosecution like this, saying that it was a dust-off-type disgrace investigation, but I don't know why the prosecution did this at that time.

◇ Seol Ju-wan: I think there are enough points for the prosecution to be criticized. The reason is that this case was already a problem that arose during the last presidential election. In a way, it could have been an easy investigation, and it was a difficult investigation because you just have to check the details of corporate card usage and who ordered it. It's been almost three years since the presidential election, and if it was such an investigation that has been drawn up so far, it should have been done right after the presidential election or in the early days. So, I think it's an investigation that should have concluded whether prosecution or not. First of all, the game and then the police stage were not sent out. However, since the prosecution investigated this again and has now been prosecuted, I think the Democratic Party's Chairman Lee Jae-myung was indicted again right after the first trial of the Public Official Election Act.

◆ Shin-ryul: No, and this is what the equity Democratic Party is talking about, isn't there a question of equity?

◇ Seol Ju-wan: Even with equity in prosecution

◆ Shin Yul: So let's talk about it all. What do you think about what happened to the city and provincial governors?

■ Yoongi-chan: But when we crack down, we usually catch me when we crack down on traffic. If someone asks why those cars don't catch them, that's the logic. So this means that for criminal acts that have been revealed now, it has to take judicial procedures as it is, and I personally think that's necessary for the rest of it. So, this is a problem that has existed for a long time. In particular, there were many cases where the spouse of the local government usually took the vehicle and the secretaries. I don't know what happened now, but I often raise various issues in the parliament to the local government in charge of that. Although the guidelines of the Ministry of Public Administration and Security have been lowered, it is necessary to crack down or supervise them specifically to see if they are being followed. If you do it as it is, you can punish it again. Why are you touching me when it's customary to do this here? I can't do this. In particular, there are many criminals who shouldn't do leadership-level greetings, and we say it's a secret crime. There's always a crime of sex trafficking. I think there is a problem with doing this because there is no justification for punishment by punishing only me who is caught when there is a crime of male and female, but I don't think the latter is whether what Mayor Hong Joon Pyo said is his position that it was difficult to recognize or whether Lee Jae-myung or he should always look at this much. That's why Lee Jae-myung has to impeach himself. For example, the court recognized such facts about Kim Hye-kyung during the trial. There are things like this. There is a team of ladies, and then there are some things that the corporate card is personally useful like this. I even talked about every type. Then, CEO Lee Jae-myung will impeach this because I didn't know about it. I'm sorry, but I didn't know that for this reason. It's an issue that you have to impeach yourself and relieve the heavy burden. The prosecution has prosecuted the court for several cases, but this is not a targeting. I think it's a little incoherent to do this.

◇ Seol Ju-wan: I think I said this on this show last week. When I saw Kim Hye-kyung's sentence of 1.5 million won in the first trial and talked about the impact of this trial, I expected an additional case of Lee Jae-myung's use of legal currency today. At that time, the part that he had a personal relationship with Kim Hye-kyung, who was identified by his surname Bae, and the history of using a plus corporate card were pointed out in the ruling. Then, considering that the follow-up measures will inevitably lead to additional prosecution against representative Lee Jae-myung, legally. I expected it that way, but I didn't know if I would prosecute this quickly.

■ Yoongi-chan: But the police have decided not to charge him, so why are the prosecution investigating again? However, there is one part that cannot be helped due to the adjustment of the investigative rights of the prosecution and police, and the other is that the police have not yet proven the degree of involvement of representative Lee Jae-myung, so I posted it as a non-transmission opinion. Then, the prosecution demanded a complementary investigation. Re-investigation This is a problem in my view, so this is done under the system. But the police won't listen. That's why the prosecution told me to send it. What was sent was confiscated again and various evidence was found. In particular, there are false expenditure resolutions. If the investigative agency confiscated these things, I can't just let it go, so I'll apply them all and definitely not know in this case. If Lee Jae-myung is found guilty later, what should be embarrassed about is that when a higher-level civil servant makes a lower-level civil servant do his duty, do laundry for him. There are also parts such as old-fashioned duty-taking. Then we will be charged with abuse of authority. In this case, it seems that Mr. Cho or Mr. Bae, or a lower-level government official, did something that was not mandatory. From what I see, it's not really a public servant's job. But I didn't apply the crime of abuse of authority. Why did I do that? This is something that CEO Lee Jae-myung should be ashamed of, whether he knew it or not, because their work itself was that. That was the original job in the first place, to the extent that the prosecution could not apply the crime of abuse of authority. That's how they operated the civil service. Shouldn't CEO Lee Jae-myung be poking his head? You can say at the court that this is not a crime, but outside the court, I will fight for this, but I think I should apologize to the people that this is wrong anyway.

◇ Seol Ju-wan: As for the management responsibility, I remember apologizing during the last presidential election for any wrong use of corporate credit cards by employees under the management of the lower-level employees themselves. I didn't see any difference in the indictment this time, but the amount of official cars used was the largest from what was reported. It costs more than 60 million won, and the rest are things like fruit and sandwiches, but if you say you didn't know, you can protest the claim and prove the claim, and the use of official cars is refuted like this. At that time, the official car was near Lee Jae-myung's residence for emergency use, and there are articles now saying that he is driving directly to a certain emergency disaster site in a real official car, so I think there is enough room for a dispute at the trial stage.

◆ Shin Yul: Simply put, the first trial of perjury teacher will come out next Monday. What do you expect?

■ Yoongi-chan: I'm a perjury teacher. I don't think I can be acquitted personally because I'm innocent of that. This is a very personal opinion of mine. And I think the sentence itself will be imprisoned for now. When I usually analyzed that the prison sentence would come out between October and a year without being arrested in court, and the reason why I told perjury is that I'm not guilty anymore, there is a transcript at first. So, in the case of perjury teachers, this bargaining relationship between the perjury teacher and the teacher receiver is not revealed as objective evidence. But it's quite unusual to have a recording like this.

◆ Shin Yul: But isn't it a claim that the Democratic Party has repeatedly told you to tell me what it is?

■ Yoongi-chan: But it's almost a cliché to tell us as we are. I usually mix it up when I talk. And what I actually want to say is to put it in the middle. If you listen to all of it now, even though I say I can't remember it, you keep thinking of other words or things I know as if they're true. Then tell me what you remember. Tell me as you are. This is meaningless. It's just an adverb. Adverbs So I think it's more likely to be judged as this clever perjury. Another thing is that perjury teachers don't mean that I didn't tell you the truth, and I didn't tell you what I remembered regardless of the facts. Then the person who testified said, "I didn't do it as I remember," means it's almost impossible to reverse that. So, from CEO Lee Jae-myung's point of view, it may be unfair, but my prediction is that it will be very difficult to be innocent anyway.

◇ Seol Ju-wan: I think it's possible to be innocent. I think CEO Lee Jae-myung has fully explained his explanation. Then, I think that the part that asked me to say what I remember is a favorable argument basis, and there is also a basis for judging that it is unfavorable to representative Lee Jae-myung in this transcript. You can just say that you heard it. There's something like this. So I think Ubulli coexists. But now, when the judge judges make a judgment at the court, where to put more weight on it is because the perjury teacher really caused the desire to perjure. That's why I think the outcome of the election will be divided between guilt and innocence, depending on where the emphasis is placed on whether you became a teacher or just asked to tell the truth about the situation at the time. If you are now found guilty, not innocent, then we usually have June to October in the case of perjury. But now it's a year and June, and if it's weighted, it's usually 3 years from October, but isn't the old version 3 years now? If so, there are reduction factors and weighting factors, but there are few impression factors. Because the most important thing in the recognition of the commutation is serious self-reflection, but that part does not exist yet, but if the representative of the victims is found guilty, the adverse weighting factor is now 500,000 won and 1.5 million won for past innocence. Anyway, since I have a history of being fined, if these parts are included in several factors, I will be found guilty about October.

◆ Shin Yul: Okay. Anyway, we can't predict the outcome of the trial, and we can just wait and see how the Korean people will judge next Monday.