[News NIGHT] Additional recording of Myeongtae Gyun...Party bulletin board controversy intensifies

■ Host: anchor Sung Moon-gyu
■ Appearance: Jang Sung-ho, former president of Konkuk University Graduate School of Public Administration, Park Chang-hwan, special professor at Jangan University

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[Anchor]
It's time for "Focus Night" to point out the news of political interest. Today, we will be joined by Jang Sung-ho, former president of Konkuk University Graduate School of Public Administration, and Park Chang-hwan, a special professor at Jangan University. Hello, both of you. It is controversial that a recording of Myung Tae-kyun, a key figure in the suspicion of intervening in the nomination, claimed that he intervened in the nomination of Gangwon-do governor during the 2022 local elections was released. This is the conversation that Myung Tae-kyun had with Kang Hye-kyung or another acquaintance before and after the local election. Let's hear what he said first.

[Myeong Tae-gyun (around April 2022), courtesy of the Democratic Party of Korea: I'm not even a doctor, but (Kim Jin-tae) just asked me to save him. Three out of eleven (nomination management committee) Kim Jin-tae, you shouldn't cut it like that. Eight, cut them off, that's what happened. Han Ki-ho (then secretary general) said. 'The president needs to sort out your problems'. That's why (Kim Jin-tae) called me. Should I talk about Kim Jin Tae? I fell down again at midnight. The president has changed his words three times, but I mean, is there a huge force that defies the president's words? It's in the early days of the administration. I had it covered at midnight and smashed it this morning. So Jeong Jin-seok (chairman of the mission committee at the time) called Kim Jin-tae and said May 18 and ended with an apology for the Jogye Order. In the morning, (Kim Jin-tae) cried "I won't forget".... ]

[Anchor]
I overturned Kim Jin-tae's cutoff at the time of nomination for the 2022 local elections. He also claims that he saved Kim Jin-tae. What was the actual nomination situation like at the time?

[Jang Sung Ho]
Isn't nomination a star in the sky from the standpoint of competing for nomination? That's why I'm telling you to save someone who wants to help you. Of course, if you look here, I saved Kim Jin-tae. In a way, I think Myung Tae Gyun is the kind of person holding a goblin bat. I think it's a one-sided bluff. And of course, isn't there a nomination review process in the party at the commission? In that situation, didn't you say that most of what Myung Tae-kyun is saying is related to the president? So, not facts or actual things, but your imagination. When I asked some candidates, "Yeah, I'll try it. I'll save you". Please save me. The candidates are. In that sense, this development seems to be intertwined with storytelling, but it was 2022 at that time, when the local election nomination company group was formed in early April, and the presidential chief of staff Jeong Jin-seok served as the presidential chief of staff at the nomination review committee. So at this time, 11 members of the delegation committee will judge candidates for local elections, and Hwang Sang-moo, a former anchor from the presidential campaign, is a candidate for governor of Gangwon-do. And here...

[Anchor]
Later, he became the chief of the presidential office.

[Jang Sung Ho]
Yes, I became the senior president of civil society. And on top of that, Kim Jin-tae, the current governor of Gangwon-do, registered as a candidate and ran hard as a preliminary candidate. However, the decision was made on April 14 by the single nomination among the commissioners of the mission to decide whether to hold a primary or single nomination here.

[Anchor]
Hwang Sang-moo was nominated as a single anchor.

[Jang Sung Ho]
Hwang Sang-moo, the former anchor, was nominated for a single position. This person must be nice. I've done this, but even though I've done activities at the mission committee, just because it's decided by the mission committee doesn't mean that all of them are completely decided. And then you can re-open the commission and reverse this. And even if you don't do that, if it goes up to the top of the party and it goes through the final top, it's a problem, and then it goes back down and it goes back to the primary. This is April 18th. Now, current Governor Kim Jin-tae, the candidate at that time was...

[Anchor]
If you have our tickets, it would be easier to understand if you could look at them and tell us.

[Jang Sung Ho]
Kim Jin-tae was eliminated from the single nomination, so he entered the singles. And then it's April 18th. 5. Wasn't there a remark such as denigrating 18 and the input of the Jogye Temple's public power? I read a statement about this. I will apologize for this, and if I become a governor in the future, I will work hard as a governor to overcome all these things. So we open the officialdom again. I'm going to go through that process of opening up and turning this area back into a primary...

[Anchor]
Many people will probably remember that Kim Jin-tae, the current governor, staged a hunger strike in front of the National Assembly at the time. So, after being pushed out by former anchor Hwang Sang-moo, former anchor Hwang Sang-moo was singled out, and the next day, he started fasting, and then apologized for 5.18 to become a primary, and Governor Kim Jin-tae won the primary and became a candidate.

[Jang Sung Ho]
What the opposition wants to argue in this situation is that this intervened in this from the top and the single nomination turned back to the primary, isn't this how the storytelling works now? But as I told you a while ago, you can turn this around when you're working on the mission. So I don't think there's such a big problem.

[Anchor]
That's what I'm saying. What we know is that we know according to the composition of the timeline shown in the table, but Myung Tae-kyun said in a conversation with someone that there were these things behind it.

[PARK CHANG HWAN]
Yes, even at that time, around Hwang Sang-moo's single nomination, isn't this too focused on President Yoon's people? There was also a controversy over the so-called President Yoon's Yun Shim at the time. But how did this change? Actually, I was very curious about this, but Myung's argument is very specific. So, on the 14th, the single nomination will be announced, and this will be reversed on the 18th, and this is what Lee Myung's call was about in April. However, it is important to know the internal situation of what happened at the officialdom, and it is very detailed and very detailed about what kind of remarks the person made, what position he/she was in, and how he/she was reversed. In addition, there are not many cases in which the nomination announcement of candidates for the head of a metropolitan government by the Public Official Commission is overturned. The fact that this can be overturned is that 8 out of 11 members of the Public Official Commission, as Myung claimed earlier, have insisted on single nomination, but what can be done to overturn this? It's usually not overturned without the influence of the highest person in the party or the president-elect, but if you listen to this, you can understand at a glance that this is why it has been overturned. First of all, reporters asked Chung Jin-suk, the current chief of staff who was the chairman of the mission committee at the time, to speak about Lee Myung's controversy and his claim. If there was no intervention in the nomination, no intervention in the nomination of Yoon Suk Yeol, and no intervention in the party affairs, it would be natural to say that it is groundless. If you look at this, similar to the recordings of Kim Young-sun's nomination calls made public, there are signs that Myung intervened in nominations in various places, not only Kim Young-sun but also the head of a metropolitan government and a local government.

[Anchor]
So, according to the recording by Myung Tae-kyun, Governor Kim Jin-tae said that he couldn't even walk at the time, and that he would not forget while crying because he was so nervous, but Governor Kim Jin-tae's side is not true at all. He is saying that he announced the unfairness of the cutoff and gained an opportunity to run in the primary by going on a hunger strike. It's about how much to trust the credibility of Myung Tae-kyun's words.

[Jang Sung Ho]
As I said just now, I'm bragging and broker-like. In so-called, some media outlets say they are fraudulent, but because they are now in custody, they will not be able to give another answer to this. Nevertheless, from Governor Kim Jin-tae's point of view, he fasted and felt unfair. Then consider the top of the party's official committee and run a primary. That's how I see this. The Buddhist community and civil society in Gangwon-do, 5.18 questions when the mission members judge. There is a great risk about this. That's why, from the perspective of the members of the mission, if such a person leaves here, it could affect the nationwide election for our party, so let's cut off eight people. And since the three of them are claiming that let's just do it. It came out 8:3, I don't know because I didn't see the nomination record at that time. Nevertheless, because there is such a thing, there is no secret in the world when the official seal is opened. So someone said candidate Kim Jin-tae, you were cut off because of this problem. Can't someone say something like this? So, three days later, he will read a statement in front of the hunger strike tent to reflect on and apologize for this, so he made a public apology and made a pledge like this. As our party is more competitive, let's compete with former Chief Secretary Hwang Sang-moo. I think that's enough.

[Anchor]
I see. Anyway, Governor Kim Jin-tae became a candidate and was elected through the process of the primary. Regarding Myung Tae-kyun, Rep. Lee Joon-seok talked again today, and Rep. Lee claimed that President Yoon, who has a nature of a tree frog, listens to Myung Tae-kyun well, so I will listen to him firsthand.

[Lee Jun-seok / Rep. of the New Reform Party (CBS Radio's "Kim Hyun-jung's News Show")] If you talk about it, there's something unique about the president. It has the nature of a tree frog. So if you say 'let's do this' to the president (when he was a presidential candidate), he says he doesn't do it reflexively. Lee Joon-seok or Kim Jong-in. But strangely, when CEO Lee Myung-tae-kyun talks, he listens. So, in fact, the route was convenient, and the information power was quite good, and I saw that I actually had a lot of conversations with First Lady Kim Gun-hee and the president. ]

[Anchor]
Strangely, he listened to Myung Tae-kyun well, but should I say that he and President Yoon were close to each other?

[PARK CHANG HWAN]
That's right. That's the gist of Rep. Lee Joon-seok's story. At that time, there was a lot of opposition within the party over Hwang Sang-moo's single nomination. Because Kim Jin-tae had an overwhelming advantage in a poll of the ruling party candidates for the Gangwon governor at the time. So, no, there was a lot of opposition about how Hwang Sang-moo could be nominated single-handedly for working in the camp when the gap in the opinion polls is so wide. That's what CEO Lee Joon-seok said at the time. No, if I talk about it, whether Lee Joon-seok, the leader of the party, or Kim Jong-in, said, "Anyway, even if I look at the polls, I don't think it's Hwang Sang-moo's single number, it didn't work." However, this changed because Myung Tae-kyun intervened. Looking at this, the contents of Kim Young-sun's case and these things have not been revealed yet, including the then-President Yoon Suk Yeol and his wife.Ma had seven to eight requests, and the most representative example is now the Gangwon governor, and Lee Joon-seok's story at the time was that I didn't hear what President Yoon Suk Yeol was talking about in the party, but strangely, when the story of Myung turned around and came in, it came out strangely well. I was talking about his confidence in President Yoon Suk Yeol's intervention.

[Anchor]
So, as you have just said, it is possible to have reasonable doubts about the possibility of President Yoon's involvement in the nomination, and will it be possible to find out the truth by making such a claim. What do you think of this part?

[Jang Sung Ho]
In the end, CEO Lee Joon-seok listened to CEO Lee Joon-seok because he opposed Hwang Sang-moo, the former chief secretary. So, isn't Myung Tae-kyun and Lee Jun-seok much closer? Even if you look at Chilbulsa Temple and Red Plum Blossoms. In such a situation, and not only in relation to the nomination, but there is a party-government consultation when selecting someone. The party leader and the president or the president-elect can coordinate their personal opinions with each other. However, shouldn't the representative also intervene in the nomination? Because they created such a system to determine candidates through objective examination by creating a mission committee, can't representative Lee Joon-seok see it as illegal even if he has such a conversation with the president? In that situation, don't these various situations just keep recording in the Democratic Party right now? It's really bad for me to open the recordings of Myung Tae-kyun who is bragging unilaterally and use them as a means to attack the president and the ruling party. I think we have no choice but to look at it like that.

[Anchor]
I see. June 1, 2022 is when local and by-elections were held together. That's why there are talks about Governor Kim Jin-tae, former lawmaker Kim Young-sun and parliamentary elections, and by-election. The Changwon District Prosecutors' Office is currently investigating the by-elections, but it means that they came to Seoul and even investigated the so-called business trip for the members of the People's Power Mission and the nomination management committee at the time. There is also a plan to investigate active lawmakers, so how far will the investigation expand?

[PARK CHANG HWAN]
If you look at the speed of the Changwon District Prosecutors' Office's investigation, it's very fast. The speed of the investigation is so wide and fast that it is really hard to follow, but the problem is that the key point is not to be touched. At the heart of this controversy is the involvement of the Yoon Suk Yeol President and his wife in the nomination and their dealings with Myung. But there are no plans to investigate the Yoon Suk Yeol president and his wife. Of course, we can't investigate President Yoon Suk Yeol and his wife right away, so we'll start from the bottom, but we don't have anything to say, but we don't even have a plan at all. According to the story of those who were surveyed as witnesses, there seems to be no plan to investigate President Yoon's involvement in nominations or opinion polls. In that sense, this concern is inevitably serious about whether the prosecution is conducting a so-called indulgence investigation into the political funds law with Kim Young-sun by bringing the case of Myung now, as if the prosecution had not indicted Kim on Deutsche Motors or anything like that. Of course, we'll have to wait and see the results.

[Jang Sung Ho]
According to the technique of investigation, Kang Hye-kyung and Myung Tae-kyun basically have to finish the investigation to investigate from above, right? Based on their statements, they have been summoned 9 times, and isn't Myung Tae-kyun under arrest investigation? How far we have come up is how the mission members handled this at that time. If you look at such things, mission members have candidate history, career, and score distribution tables. It's the mission committee members who work hard on it. The total score is summed up by the staff in charge, and then the entire mission committee comprehensively evaluates and decides later. At that time, the chairman of the National Assembly's mission committee was Yoon Sang-hyun, the chairman of the local election mission committee was Chung Jin-seok, and the chairman of both mission committees was formed separately, so the representative at that time was Lee Joon-seok. So, if the mission committee members did it now, shouldn't we investigate the party leader at the time, Yoon Sang-hyun, chairman of the mission committee, Lee Joon-seok, and our professor say, "If there is anything to investigate, shouldn't we do a written investigation?" However, objectively, for example, since you were the president-elect at that time, this is not illegal, and such a conversation between third parties cannot be illegal, and can't you talk about and recommend someone? The prosecution will judge it because it is not the chairman of the mission committee or directly instructing it, but so far, I wonder if the president and his wife need to investigate this.

[PARK CHANG HWAN]
I can't help but mentioning one thing because I was very curious about what kind of files Myung had before he was arrested, and when the voice recording of the president was released, I became even more curious. However, according to media reports, lawmaker Yoon Han-hong tried to make a call at the time, and in the process, there are now talks about conciliation and evidence manipulation. Of course, Rep. Yoon Han-hong is saying that it is groundless, but people who are at the center of power for key suspects have been talking about conciliation and fabrication of evidence. If we don't investigate this, what is the point of investigating this part after the prosecution has destroyed evidence?

[Anchor]
I see. Let's see how the prosecution's investigation goes. In the meantime, wasn't Lee Jae-myung convicted in the first trial of the violation of the Public Official Election Act? However, it was belatedly known that the Democratic Party proposed an amendment to the election law in this situation. The responses of the ruling and opposition parties were mixed. Let's listen to it.

[Lee Jae-myung / Democratic Party leader: (CEO, are you actually planning to revise the election law? ) ……. ]

[Han Dong-hoon / Representative of the People's Power] To come up with such a bill can only be seen as a kind of flattery bill to save representative Lee Jae-myung even by destroying the judicial system. Is this going to pass? Will the people sympathize with this? When this becomes a law, it has this effect. Representative Lee Jae-myung's crime of spreading false information and suspended prison sentence will disappear as a result of a dismissal. That's the purpose of this law. ]

[Anchor]
It is an amendment proposed by Rep. Park Hee-seung of the Democratic Party. So there are two main types, but the dates are the 14th and 15th. On the 14th, 15th, and 14th, we issued an amendment to delete the crime of publicizing false information. The following day, on the 15th, an amendment was issued to raise the standard of fines for deprivation of voting rights from the current 1 million won to 10 million won. As you can see now, CEO Han Dong-hoon is criticizing the bill, saying it is an Abusung bill to save CEO Lee Jae-myung. What do you think?

[Jang Sung Ho]
In a way, he's loyal on his own. Since CEO Han Dong-hoon says he's fawning, he's loyal on his own. As expected, the Democratic Party is in the majority, so there is nothing in the National Assembly that can't be done. Won't it pass once you release it? But does it work just because it passes? I have a presidential veto. So, the constitutional veto of the president is the spirit of the constitution, in this way, if one party in the National Assembly uses the power of the majority and legislates such an act, the president should stop it. So even if it is passed here, there will of course be a presidential veto on this. He will ask for reconsideration and vote on this later, but in a way, he has no side. Representative Lee Jae-myung raised the law the day before he was sentenced to one year in prison and two years of probation for publicizing false information, and false information is property, education, and criminal record. The act is added here, but the act is interpreted. Is it a false announcement or not? It is up to the court, but for that, the act is eliminated, property, educational background, criminal record, and certain facts. Since it's the purpose of doing it with just this in mind, if it goes up, of course, and if it goes up, the fine of 1 million won will be raised to 10 million won, isn't there something like that? In that case, representative Lee Jae-myung goes to the Supreme Court, and our punishment has the principle of non-compliance. That's why it's a dismissal judgment. So, if the criminal law is revised like this, representative Lee Jae-myung's conviction and first trial ruling will be innocent again, so is it right for the Constitution of the Republic of Korea to be changed in this way?

[Anchor]
That's what I'm saying. If this amendment is passed, the legal provisions themselves will disappear, as you said now, so there is no basis for punishment. That's how the interpretations come out.

[Park Chang-hwan] The ruling party's argument is that it is an Abusheng bill aimed at the
dismissal. It's Obi-rak no matter who looks at it. The ship fell when the crow flew. It is not related at all in the Democratic Party of Korea because it is the day before the first trial of the sentencing law against representative Lee Jae-myung is announced. I say that it came out because it's been around for a long time, but it's true that the ship fell when the crow flew. The other one is not effective. Because even if the Democratic Party passes the bill to the majority on these issues now, if the veto is exercised, there is zero possibility of a vote of departure from the people's power. Then, it is not effective, but only the bulletproof controversy over CEO Lee Jae-myung and the Sadanghwa controversy will grow. Is this the right response strategy? Public opinion is not so good about the so-called corporate car prosecution right now. It's bad. Because there are people who sympathize with the prosecution about how they used official cars. There is also a rally of supporters for representative Lee Jae-myung. There are two things that the Democratic Party can face in this situation. There will be one sharpening of the legal debate that can be fought in court. Secondly, there will be a way to gain the upper hand in the public opinion race. For example, in the case of corporate car prosecution, the Democratic Party of Korea can conduct a public opinion campaign and increase friendly public opinion, but it is difficult to respond properly with such ineffective and bulletproof laws. I think it's something that the Democratic Party should think about.

[Anchor]
You said it doesn't seem to fit strategically. For your information, according to the poll released today, let's see with the votes. The results of the first trial of the election law were one year in prison and two years of probation. That was 49 percent. That was wrong 41 percent. That's the result of the poll. In the midst of this, what you two have in common can be passed, but the president vetoes it, so it will not be passed in the end. I will summarize it by saying that. This is the third topic. It's a controversy over the bulletin board of the People's Power Party. It's not sinking easily. Let's hear what CEO Han Dong-hoon said today after breaking his silence.

[Kim Jae-won / Supreme Council Member for People's Power: Recently, various suspicions have been raised regarding the bulletin board of the party members. It is necessary at this stage to quickly shake off this issue and clarify and move on if there is anything to explain. I think it is essential to settle this issue for now, at least until CEO Lee Jae-myung's perjury teacher case is sentenced. ]

[Han Dong-hoon / Representative of People's Power: The party has announced legal action, so if there is an offense, it will be thoroughly investigated and the truth will be revealed. However, the reason why my case does not respond at a very important time when there are many issues related to people's livelihoods is the party leader's judgment that it is not appropriate to cover up other issues.. ]

[Anchor]
In the meantime, I've been quite curious because there's been no clear answer to this, but today is not the time to open your mouth and fall into an unnecessary self-destruction column. He said that if there is an offense, it will be thoroughly investigated and the truth will be revealed. How did you like it?

[Jang ∀]{Jang Sung-ho]{Jang Sung-ho}The answer demanded by the former Supreme Court and the Supreme Council members of the People's Power has not yet come out. So when we talk about leadership, two things are important for a leader, one is to listen to the people, to the supporters, and the other is listening. One is to answer because it is a response, and if you hear it, it is very important to answer again, but CEO Han Dong-hoon told the Supreme Council of Kim Jae-won to reveal the facts OX about this, but there is no answer to that. This is a matter that is amplifying various misunderstandings on the market. Of course, from the perspective of CEO Han Dong-hoon, there is a controversy over Lee Jae-myung's perjury teacher on Monday if he does O or X, and there is a possibility that he will cover all of it, so I will not talk about it before then. But the party told me to talk about this until 25 days in advance, so I also like my mom and dad from the standpoint of the people's power, which is quite ambiguous, but this is what it is. Insulting and criticizing the president is the act of doing so. On the other hand, this is freedom of expression. The bulletin board of our people's power is a real name. Because it's not anonymous but real name through real name authentication. Nevertheless, what Kim Jae-won is saying today is that the systematic manipulation of public opinion, regardless of how many people it is, is a bulletin board viewed by a small number of party members, but regardless of the number, it can hinder the proper formation of public opinion in democracy. Second, if representative Han Dong-hoon's family did this, and his family or aides did this, how can he attack President Yoon Suk Yeol as the party leader? That's the key, so representative Han Dong-hoon will answer this. However, since there is a perjury sentence on the 25th, I think CEO Lee Jae-myung will answer after the sentence is over.
[Anchor]
I think it's right that Kim Jae-won, the best, specified the 25th and told me to do it before then. CEO Han Dong-hoon said this during the last election. Before Lee Jae-myung's first trial sentence comes out, we must be ready after it comes out. Before that, I think she might have received it and expressed it in this way because she said that all issues such as Kim Gun-hee's problems should be resolved.

[PARK CHANG HWAN]
How I interpret the 25th is that we made a strategic ceasefire ahead of the first trial of Lee Jae-myung, the internal strife of the people. But the expiration date of the strategic ceasefire came out. How does it go after 25 days? If CEO Han Dong-hoon's family is involved or not, there will be pressure to resign as soon as it is done or if it is done or not. Therefore, in the end, the validity of the strategic ceasefire was revealed. There are only a few days left. In that sense, once representative Lee Jae-myung's first trial is guilty, representative Han Dong-hoon is no longer needed, a strategic truce. In fact, there is a high possibility that it will go to the vomit-pull stage. I think so.

[Anchor]
I see. Today is Thursday and the 25th is next Monday, so let's see what happens in the meantime. So far, I have been with Jang Sung-ho, former president of Konkuk University Graduate School of Public Administration, and Park Chang-hwan, a special professor at Jangan University. Thank you.